Bucs’ Route-Running Scrutinized
September 28th, 2015
An esteemed ex-Buccaneer and former Pro Bowler points a finger at flawed route running.
Joe pays attention when a 15-year NFL veteran, a reasoned, intelligent Xs and Os guru who is paid to study Bucs film, wags a finger at the Tampa Bay route running.
Dave Moore, the former Buccaneer and current game analyst on the Buccaneers Radio Network, is the guy to whom Joe is referring.
He hopped on WDAE-AM 620 this morning and broke down yesterday’s kick-in-the-nuts loss in Houston. Moore pointed a finger at Bucs receivers, but not just for their drops.
“Even some of the route running, you could see on some of those timing routes I talked about on the radio. On those timing routes, Jameis has to throw the ball as the receiver comes out of the break, but if he doesn’t come out as anticipated, they are incomplete passes on 3rd-and-5, where you’re seeing Houston make those plays and the tough catches,” Moore said.
“And you’re seeing the Bucs not make the tough catches in traffic and hang on to the ball.”
As Joe wrote yesterday, don’t dare blame Jameis for the Bucs’ woes yesterday. Jameis wasn’t perfect, but he played like a solid NFL starter.
Moore went on to openly wonder where the on-field leadership is to get the Bucs to fix various mistakes and succeed in defining moments. The game was very winnable on all fronts, Moore said. “There was nothing Houston was doing that I felt the Bucs couldn’t handle, offensively, defensively, special teams.”
September 28th, 2015 at 1:49 pm
I don’t know, Joe… no one played great but Jameis looked pretty inaccurate to me. Probably would have been better off with Glennon yesterday. On another note, there was something up with the turf in Houston… a lot of players coming up gimpy when no one touched them. I wonder if that could affect route running, or even kicking.
September 28th, 2015 at 1:54 pm
Moore went on to openly wonder where the on-field leadership is to get the Bucs to fix various mistakes and succeed in defining moments
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The leadership be making false starts, missing blocks and overall laying an egg. Or they are making offside calls. I swear the defensive leader has had a false start penalty in every game for the last 17 games and all of 1 tackle 2 mins into the first qrt.
Now look at the rookies. I bet no one saw DSmith block watt+clownley at the same time when they both lined up over the rookie DE.
Keep the rookies and younger players, throw the rest away with the babies bath water, start with lovable huggable Lovie smith.
September 28th, 2015 at 1:55 pm
3-16 but remember it takes time
September 28th, 2015 at 2:00 pm
why my comments not getting posted?
September 28th, 2015 at 2:01 pm
Joe please stop trying to educate this Winston haters or those who have a boner for Mariota. Anytime a pass is incomplete or picked off, they will blame the qb because they are what I call football idiots. When a timing out route is suppose to be ran at a 8 yard depth, but the WR runs it at 10 yrds, that will cause the play to be incomplete or picked off. To the football idiots, that will be called Jameis’ fault when in actuality the tape will show it was the WR’s fault based on the play called. It takes a team and that is why Jameis said in his press conference after the game that he would have Evans, Murphy etc. after practice running routes trying to get the timing down. You know the same thing Manning and Harrison did.
September 28th, 2015 at 2:03 pm
[Goodbye. — Joe]
September 28th, 2015 at 2:07 pm
No 3 was crazy inaccurate yesterday. No ASJ? Let’s keep throwing it like the TE is still 6’5″. YAC? That requires hitting receivers IN STRIDE. No 3 is going to wash out.
September 28th, 2015 at 2:10 pm
I believe that routes would be run better and there would be fewer penalties if we were not wearing those horrid uniforms.
September 28th, 2015 at 2:14 pm
Watch the route run by Brandon Myers in the first quarter. He ran an out route, but instead of going 90 degrees toward the sideline, he ran back a couple yards. The ball location was perfect had he ran straight. Then again, that would take too much effort to go back and watch the play.
September 28th, 2015 at 2:15 pm
Ha, ha! Don’t blame Jamis!!!! The guy is simply slow on the delivery and inaccurate. Wait that sounds just like Josh Freeman. But, hey Jamis is a Nole, a ” team leader” and a pillar of the community……..
In 2.5 more years, the Bucs will move on from this error, err, era.
September 28th, 2015 at 2:16 pm
Jameis is awesome my boy gonna skin him some panthers this Sunday
September 28th, 2015 at 2:23 pm
The people blaming JW are totally unbelievable. Yes he played like a rookie but his play was NOT the main reason for the loss. The drops, leaving 10 ST points on the field were THE reasons and JW’s interception played a small part. Rather than blame the 21 y/o Rookie who is playing pretty well, blame your unrealistic expectations for this season. I LOVE MY BUCS but i try to be a realist so let me try to bring some reality into this situation. This is a 6-10 team AT BEST, most likely a 4-12 or 5-11 team. This is what it looks like but IT WILL GET BETTER. 2nd half of this season and next season we can truly aspire to 8-8 or 9-7 but until then curb the enthusiasm and take a chill pill on the negativity.
September 28th, 2015 at 2:35 pm
Bucsnation charted every single throw and he had 7 “inaccurate” throws on 37 attempts. That really is not bad at all. 7-8 drops. 4 of which were incredibly catchable. Ton of big accurate downfield throws
September 28th, 2015 at 2:40 pm
I wonder if Vincent Jackson is really respected as a team captain. A WR team captain wouldn’t let poor route running happen if he was respected.
September 28th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
THANK YOU OFFENSIVE LINE FOR BLOCKING WELL!!!! NOW WE CAN ACTUALLY CORRECT THE EASY TO FIX PROBLEMS CAUSING US TO LOSE GAMES!!!!! I LOVE IT WHEN YOU BLOCK WELL! THANK YOU!! ^_^!
September 28th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
we do so many dumb things as a team. Cant recover a fumble, drops, tons of penalties, missed pat’s ect, ect, ect.. and now we can’t run a simple button hook on 3rd and short. Dumb players usually equals bad coaches.
September 28th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
I am sooooo sorry! Jamis is a star on the rise! All praise the slow footed, long slow delivery, and the mature decision-making. It is not his fault that the team was better without him……………
Oh and Mark Barron will be a star too! Just ignore his slowness and his below average IQ……he was captain at Bama!!!!!!!
September 28th, 2015 at 3:25 pm
Watch “Tampa’s Drops” on YouTube
https://youtu.be/pamI7bQGT-s
September 28th, 2015 at 3:34 pm
JW played great.
Take away 5 drops and he is 22 out 36 for well over 300 and probably another TD.
They loss because
-drops
-penalties
-missed kicks
Houston ran the ball 46 times. The Bucs were stopping the run decently (3.5 per carry) most the game. They just wore them out. That along with drops and penalties getting the Bucs offense off the field.
We all know they are a couple lineman away on both sides of the ball and another playmaker on both sides.
They have 4 rookie starters including the QB on both sides of the ball.
I still expect 6-8 wins, but I am optimistic. The reality is they are going and the foundation is there. It’s going to be a lot of growing pains this year.
September 28th, 2015 at 3:35 pm
This is exactly what I said right after the game. In addition I said most of the “inaccurate” throws were in the direction of mike evans who has not played or had a full speed practice in over a month. I wonder who’s fault it was they passes looked inaccurate? Duh!
September 28th, 2015 at 3:35 pm
Fisher
I’ve been told not to feed the trolls but I’m a bad ass so……
Jameis is a star on the rise, he just won off rookie of the week honors in his 2nd game as a pro. He’s certainly improved in each game which was his goal all along.
The better team? Which team are you talking about? Have you been drinking? Last years 2-14 team or the 4-12 team. Ohhhhh the josh mclown team, yes of course.
Mark Barron has knocked out two starting QBs in the league meanwhile Chris conte has been KNOCKED THE FUDGE OUT by 2 QBs in the league, Ha!
Fisher you should chug and couple more bottles and pass out. Good night.
September 28th, 2015 at 3:40 pm
Two words for all the Jamis hating morons. Bite Me!!!! That means you too TpaBayFlyFisher!!!!
September 28th, 2015 at 3:42 pm
hawaiian buc im glad i wasnt the only one who thought that route by myers was awful.
September 28th, 2015 at 3:59 pm
I don’t get all the Winston hate. A lot of throws that Winston was making were flat out amazing.
If Evans didn’t drop all those passes… we would be having a much different conversation right now. Here’s to hoping that Evans was just pressing, and trying to make up for lost time (being out the first two games).
Seriously, look back on our illustrious history of QBs… I can’t recall any Buc’s QBs being that lethal on 20 yard tosses (and Winston makes them look effortless).
The only thing I expect out of this season is growth. The offense is starting to deliver that.
…but I don’t really have any explanation for our defense, SMH
September 28th, 2015 at 4:38 pm
mike evans has to step up…he didn’t play like a 1st rounder yesterday…he has to do better with his route running and use his body to block out defenders…randy moss was one of the best wrs of all time but randy had many inconsistent games as well…has route running wasn’t the best and corners could get physical with him to knock him off his game…im seeing a lot of that in mike evans…he has to rely on precise route running and being physical with the corners that he faces…no reason why he should be man handled by 5’10 5’11 corners…he really needs to watch larry fitzgerald jerry rice Michael irving…all 3 big body wrs that won with great route running and bodying corners…GO BUCS!!!
September 28th, 2015 at 4:40 pm
Bookmark this page. End of the error………….Jamis Freeman………
September 28th, 2015 at 4:42 pm
More pressing issue Jared Allen just got traded to the panthers smh…
September 28th, 2015 at 5:02 pm
I glad the man moved into the head coaching ranks. But damn I wish we still had P.J Fleck (Western Michigan) as our wide receivers coach.
September 28th, 2015 at 5:22 pm
The poor route running factor was confirmed to me after I listened to Winston’s presser after the game. I’m glad to see Bucnation and JBF writing these articles to the few fans who thought this maybe the case & the few who are willing to listen. Some of these Yeehaws never learn a thing in life and this is no exception.
September 28th, 2015 at 5:22 pm
Tons of drops and no running game makes it pretty difficult to win.
I thought Jameis played fine. It’s obvious he is going to be great and I think Ali Marpet is going to be a pro bowl guard in a year or two.
On the defensive side of the ball our secondary looks below average, line backers are very good but they missed tackles they usually make and our kicking game was about as bad as it gets.
Our scouts did a great job with the draft this year, but you have to be realistic. The worst team in the NFL is not going to make the playoffs the next year no matter how good we draft.
Heck we drafted two hall of flame players in the 1995 draft and still finished last in the NFC Central that year.
The next year in 1996 wasn’t much better as we finished 6-10
September 28th, 2015 at 5:37 pm
The Bucs only had 4 WRs active for the game Sunday, Adam Humphries was inactive and Donteea Dye is on the practice squad. But the worst thing is Mike Evans was target 17 times, Louis Murphy 6 times, VJAX 4 times. I don’t know why VJAX (our best route runner) only was target 4 times. And what happen to the screen passes to our backs? I do not understand this offense, I have given up.
September 28th, 2015 at 6:01 pm
“Bookmark this page. End of the error………….Jamis Freeman………”
Dude I never see you post here lol. You will def not be back when Winston is well established as one of the better QBs in this league.
September 28th, 2015 at 6:15 pm
LUVMYBUCS
The offense sure could use PJ Fleck passion… I loved listening to him at training camp. dude had heart… To bad Lovie forced his staff on Koetter versus letting him bring in his own guys. That does not get enough attention. Teaching the offense would have been so much easier with his own guys versus teaching lovies guys first then the players.
September 28th, 2015 at 8:19 pm
Coaching…….
September 28th, 2015 at 8:52 pm
I should really stop reading the comments on this site. I can only take so mich stupid.
September 28th, 2015 at 11:02 pm
Hopefully, our idiot players are at least watching the Packers tonight so they can see what a real NFL team looks like. It’s like they’re playing a different sport altogether.
September 29th, 2015 at 1:07 am
That wasn’t a kick in the nuts loss, Joe. More like an expected loss that many of us called ahead of time. I called a 20-17 Houston win because I thought the Bucs could get at least two TD’s. Boy was I wrong.
September 29th, 2015 at 3:52 am
I’m one who thinks drafting Winston was a huge mistake, Mariota was a superior option in every possible way, and Winston will neve be more than an average-to-good QB (which we already have in Glennon).
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That said, Winston played a pretty good game and his WRs stunk. Sabotaged him wih drops that were inexcusable both in their occurrence and in their frequency. Saying he played poorly is just ignorant. He played damn wel for a rookie.
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The real problem to be looking at is the Loviesaurus and his epic failure to coach this defense
September 29th, 2015 at 10:48 am
Yet ANOTHER example of position coaches obviously NOT doing their jobs! Yes, bottom line these are grown men and supposedly professionals but they still must have quality coahing. It is becoming more and more obvious that they aren’t getting it!! Oline coaching has been putrid, secondary is not playing to their talent and out of position all day. Same with LB. Dline is a sieve despite having good talent at DT and to a much lesser extent DE! Special teams are FAR from special. At some point accountability needs to hit not only players but their coaches! Not saying fire Lovie but he DID hand-pick these guys. He needs to fix it and cut his losses the same as he has with bust players!!!