A Top 10 Quarterback?
September 23rd, 2015
BSPN impressed with Jameis last week.
Joe remembers talking with a trusted Bucs source over the summer and mentioning that if America’s Quarterback, Bucs signal-caller Jameis Winston, could be among the top-third tier of quarterbacks in the NFL, the Bucs would come out bandits.
Said Bucs type just smiled and replied, “Oh, home run!”
If last week was any indication, the Bucs have pulled off an Albert Pujols blast.
Now Joe has made no secret how much he thinks quarterback ratings are the biggest pile of feces this side of a horse barn. But the BSPN stat QBR, which is its concocted version of a quarterback rating, Joe doesn’t have any against it (yet). And if one subscribes to the premise this stat means something, it very well could be the Bucs (finally) got their franchise quarterback.
Based on last week’s top QBRs, Jameis was in the top ten, specifically No. 8, just ahead of Johnny Football.
Other quarterbacks Jameis had a better game than, using this stat, were Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Andy Dalton, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Cam Newton and Drew Brees.
Yes, of course it is early, but could the win over the Saints by Jameis be a window into his future?
September 23rd, 2015 at 5:23 am
Well his reselants to win is gonna be texted this week for sure… Not only the toughest D he has faced to date (not taking anything away from The Titian’s) who have film on him… But he will have to do it without ASJ who provided game breaking ability… Only good thing about ASJ going down now is that it was early in the season… Meaning that the ASJ factor had not grown to much. So the gap between the production of our other TE’s is minimal at this point… Honestly, Stocker has been kept around this long because he is a solid TE that was expected to do big things in the passing game as well….
IMO, its time for Luke to step up…. If he can become the threat or at least give the other teams the fear of an ASJ pass catching threat than this ASJ injury could be a blessing in disguise… Not to take anything away from Myers but than again…… Just saying, a duel TE threat would be sick and it could be a silver lining…
Key to this weeks game…. Stocker goes for 100 yards and two TDs after early takeaway by our D!!!
September 23rd, 2015 at 6:00 am
Throwing in that gratuitous Johnny Foosball reference-point was hilarious. Still trying after all the evidence to the contrary to somehow salvage credibility for your support for your Johnny Mancrush is too much. We all know he’s a flop, just admit it already. Beating out a concussed Josh McCown is easier than taking candy from a baby.
September 23rd, 2015 at 6:16 am
I expect him to be a top 10 QB one day but at this point in his career I expect a lot of ups and downs like any other rookie.
September 23rd, 2015 at 6:22 am
“…Yes, of course it is early, but could the win over the Saint last week by Jameis be a window into his future?”
I definitely think so. I didn’t panic after the first game. And you can bet Jameis is going to have other ugly moments. Anyone happen to witness Andrew Lucks 5 TO debacle on MNF (against a certain CB who should still be playing for the Bucs)? It happens. But Bucs fans rejoice that they now have a legit FRANCHISE QB!
September 23rd, 2015 at 6:22 am
Fl Boy, how does anyone know Johny is a flop after he has played three games?
September 23rd, 2015 at 6:23 am
I heard Houston starting RB is not playing and they just changed QBs.
Man, I’m hoping our D continues its growth this coming Sunday. DE Jack Smith is a monster.
Hopefully ME is ready to make some damage in his home state of Texas like Martin did back in his rookie year at Oakland.
I’m soooo glad we have Winston and Brindza in our team!
Licht is on FIRE! He is the comeback GM of the year!
September 23rd, 2015 at 7:03 am
@joe Do you know if McCoy conducted anther defensive players only meeting?
I’m hoping this becomes a norm for them. A weekly cross your t(s) and dot your i(s) meeting prior to every game.
September 23rd, 2015 at 7:06 am
Texans defense is going to be tough, but not impossible, look what the panthers just did and they have zero weapons at the receiver postition. Our offense and defense need to come out fired up again and play with the tenacity they played with against the saints. This team wants to establish an identity early on and they can do that with a mother road win this Sunday. The new Road Warriors anybody?
September 23rd, 2015 at 7:07 am
A number one over all pick I’d hope he’d be top three at some point. He’s not even close right now.
September 23rd, 2015 at 7:08 am
Jameis is a top 10 quarterback ONLY WHEN OUR OFFENSIVE LINE BLOCKS WELL. Jameis will be a top 5 quarterback ONLY after he has seen every possible defense thrown at him like Tom Brady has.
September 23rd, 2015 at 7:43 am
Brady got 466 yards 3 tds no ints and he is in the 14th spot. The fuq?
September 23rd, 2015 at 7:45 am
#7423 survey says: correct for 600 points bro. Precisely what you just said. It’s why my mantra is”just wait on it.
September 23rd, 2015 at 7:56 am
Total of first 2 games
Jameis Winston comp 30 Att 54, TD 3, Int 2, yards 417
Mike Glennon comp 50 Att 86 TD 3, Int 3, yards 466
Who knew that the difference between career backup ( according to Joe) and top 10 Qb ( suggested by Joe) is so close!!!!!!!!!
September 23rd, 2015 at 8:05 am
Joe, your bromance has gone way to far!!! Look at the Titans game and he was probably bottom ten.Then the Saints game top ten? Why not wait a few more games before you put Shameis in any list position? JJ Watt is going to be a huge test for the oline and we will see how Shameis handles that. Top ten? Let’s talk about that in January.
September 23rd, 2015 at 8:06 am
Haters are born to hate realist!!! God bless ya buddie.☺
September 23rd, 2015 at 8:35 am
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early… Joe needs to pump the breaks. I’m pretty sure even Jameis would tell Joe to calm down.
September 23rd, 2015 at 8:55 am
Jameis was already an NFL top 10 quarterback when he left FSU.
September 23rd, 2015 at 8:56 am
I think what we saw is what jameis can do when he has time and comfort in the pocket. Next week is going to tougher with watt and clowney chasing him… But the Bucs will have some confidence now and with s little favour, we could be singing STREAK! STREAK!
September 23rd, 2015 at 9:03 am
New poster here. Jury’s out on Winston–need to watch a few more games. I’m a Glennon fan. Glad our OC has the brains to keep him around.
September 23rd, 2015 at 9:10 am
Is laughing…
September 23rd, 2015 at 9:17 am
QBR = Made up ESPN stat. I still think RGIII and Kaepernick have the two best QBR performances ever. So there you go
September 23rd, 2015 at 9:37 am
@Bucrightoff most things that come out of ESPN are made up anyhow…
September 23rd, 2015 at 9:45 am
What is great is the athletic ability he is showing, that you could see at FSU as well, especially when he can get the first down and doesn’t give up a yard short like some others, keep the drive going
September 23rd, 2015 at 9:47 am
Quit needlessly overselling Winston….the draft is over….he is ours for at leas 5 years….he will probably be great, but has to play to prove that.
He doesn’t need to be continually sold to us. And like someone said “It’s just one game”
September 23rd, 2015 at 9:49 am
Yea….I know….Joe writes about what interests Joe….and Joe has the right to write whatever he wants….
September 23rd, 2015 at 10:02 am
Pretty much,
September 23rd, 2015 at 10:03 am
One game at a time.
September 23rd, 2015 at 10:13 am
@Realist
I think it depends on your perpective. MG8 is clearly a talented backup! Somebody posted last night that we missed the opportunity to deal with the Cowboys who instead took Cassell. That would have NEVER been a consideration for Licht…get a 5th round draft pick for a 7th? A move up of two rounds into what is still a dart throwing pick..5th rounder…bwaaahaaaahaaa
Glennon could have been golden behind that Cowboys OL…but the ‘Boys obviously were just looking for a backup. MG8 will have his maximum value in the off season when teams that still need a “starting” QB can take a look at MG8 for a year at 675,000. They’ll have him for the entire off season and preseason to get him inculcated in their offensive plans. Either that or a team like the Cards with an aging starter perhaps grabs him for future development.
MG8 is NO #3…but he is also not chopped liver! We either get a good player, a #1 pick or a package of high picks at the end of this year, unless somebody gets really, really desperate during the season..again perhaps the Cards..legitimate SB contenders if Palmer goes down again. MG8 could look good behind a good OL…and he is a consummate game manager.
September 23rd, 2015 at 10:21 am
Jameis Winston comp 30 Att 54, TD 3, Int 2, yards 417
Mike Glennon comp 50 Att 86 TD 3, Int 3, yards 466
Who knew that the difference between career backup ( according to Joe) and top 10 Qb ( suggested by Joe) is so close!!!!!!!!!”
Sorry realist but it really isn’t close if you take into account that Mike Glennon had to throw 32 more passes to get 49 more yards. He basically got the same production as Mike Glennon with almost 1/2 the attempts.
Project Winston’s #s to those attempts and he’d have 664 yards, ~ 5 TDs with 3 Interceptions.
So yeah statistically your point isn’t valid whatsoever. This doesn’t even take into account Winston converting 3rd and longs and the pretty TD pass he threw looking better than any highlight I can think of with Glennon.
September 23rd, 2015 at 11:00 am
Whatever “Sunday Sunday Sunday” is we need to run more of that. Winston’s best play on Sunday came in the 4th qrt at 6:30 left. 9y Rush for a first down, that was money and may have put away the game.
September 23rd, 2015 at 11:02 am
Imagine what Winston’s numbers will look like we when stop committing penalties after every big play.
September 23rd, 2015 at 11:15 am
@Lord Cornelius
try comparing the defenses they play against, who they are throwing to, and compare bad/injured Doug Martin, to contract year Doug Martin!!!!
September 23rd, 2015 at 11:36 am
“@Lord Cornelius
try comparing the defenses they play against, who they are throwing to, and compare bad/injured Doug Martin, to contract year Doug Martin!!!!”
Or how Winston was down 21-0 before attempting his 3rd pass in the NFL? etc etc? Can make situational arguments for both players.
I get what you’re trying to say but your argument was stat based and being a financial guy it was hard for me to not point out a blatant difference between the data you’re comparing. Statistically Winston had about the same production in 2 games with 37% less attempts. Oh and Winston had a rushing TD we technically didn’t even account for.
So projected out to Glennon’s 86 attempts; Winston would have accounted for 6 total TDs, 3 Ints, 1 fumble, and 700 yards of offense (660 passing 40 rushing).
September 23rd, 2015 at 11:39 am
Every NFL QB looks good when their 0-Line blocks well for them and every NFL QB looks bad when their O-Line doesn’t block well for them.
How Jameis plays will be a direct result of how the people around him play. And the quality of the defenses he goes against as we saw him look better against a very poor Saints defense
September 23rd, 2015 at 12:43 pm
DB55 Says:
September 23rd, 2015 at 11:02 am
“Imagine what Winston’s numbers will look like we when stop committing penalties after every big play.”
Exactly I’m tired of having to hold my breath after every big play, waiting to see if we got flagged or not. I’ve been doing that now for 5 years, no matter who the coach is or who the players are.
Does anyone else do this shyte too?
September 23rd, 2015 at 12:44 pm
@Tampabaybucfan
I don’t think the overselling is that needless. With how many people are expecting (I almost say WANTING) Jameis to fail, he needs all the marketing he can get.
September 23rd, 2015 at 1:04 pm
Sheeeeeet Winston’s my boyeee. I can’t get enough of Jameis-talk. Neither can Joe apparently and I know why too.
NEVER had a FRANCHISE quarterback in Tampa Bay. Had some good QB’s that we got RID of back in the day, but we’ve never had one of our OWN.
Am I saying that JW’s a franchise quarterback yet? Nope, not yet. I think very STRONGLY that he’s going to be though. The rest of you that don’t, will just have to “wait on it” like Nole on Sat’s been saying for 2 weeks now.
It’s a looong season to go. Peeps better get used to Jameis articles. LOTS of them.
September 23rd, 2015 at 1:21 pm
Are you trying to tell me that at this point, we still have Bucs “fans” hating on Jameis and wanting him to fail? WTF? And you call yourselves fans? He is our first good qb in like….forever and he is a baller, get behind him or get out. There’s nothing you can do about it, so STFU!
September 23rd, 2015 at 1:57 pm
@ Lord Cornelius Nailed it!
Man, some people just can’t let themselves believe that the Bucs have a future stud at QB. Enjoy the ride.
September 23rd, 2015 at 4:09 pm
“@ Lord Cornelius Nailed it!
Man, some people just can’t let themselves believe that the Bucs have a future stud at QB. Enjoy the ride.”
Well that one was easy. Can’t really argue against numbers if your first point is number driven and wrong lol.
If you really wanna get crazy and extrapolate the Mike Glennon rate of attempts out for Winston based on Winston’s current rate of production for a full season he’d destroy every record we ever had haha at the rate of 330 passing yards, 2.5 TDs per game. That’s pacing for over 5000 yards and 40 TDs lmao
September 23rd, 2015 at 5:11 pm
87
Yes, every single time I expect a flag.
September 23rd, 2015 at 7:47 pm
QBR will like you over the long haul if you don’t turn over the football. I don’t care what he does as long as he isn’t doing that. The rest will happen for him.