Jason Licht Salutes Mark Dominik
August 10th, 2015
Current Bucs GM Jason Licht gives his predecessor a shoutout.
Bucs fans love to loathe former rock star general manager Mark Dominik.
Joe thinks this is hilarious for several reasons, the biggest is that the tandem of Chucky/Bruce Almighty were absolutely and horrendously rotten at player evaluation, so much so that the duo was likely worse than the much-maligned Matt Millen.
But never mind that, let’s use Dominik as a human piñata just because he’s on TV.
Well, current Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht doesn’t think that way. In fact, Licht, in a total class move, made sure to give Dominik a nod of appreciation in today’s press conference announcing the new contract that stud linebacker Lavonte David and the Bucs reached.
In describing David, Licht referred to the Bucs linebacker as, “One of the best draft choices in the history of the franchise.”
Take that Dominik haters!
Look, did Dominik swing and miss on draft picks? The fact he is working for BSPN should answer that question. Compare Dominik’s drafts to Chucky/Bruce Almighty, and it is laughable how Chucky/Bruce Almighty get a complete and total pass.
Again, that was a classy statement by Licht when he didn’t have to say that. Tells you a lot about the current Bucs general manager, as well.
August 10th, 2015 at 3:39 pm
Oh wow!
Dominik hit a few times, sure… But how many horrid misses and bad moves did he make to set this franchise back years?
You’re so subjective Joes!
Get off Dom’s jock already!
August 10th, 2015 at 3:42 pm
Wow, that’s impressive. One draft pick.
August 10th, 2015 at 3:44 pm
Bruce and Chucky did not and do not get a pass!
It’s why Chucky got the boot!
August 10th, 2015 at 3:45 pm
“Take that Dominik haters!” – Joe
Seriously?
I’m guessing this is an attempt at humor?
August 10th, 2015 at 3:46 pm
You may be the only one. Chucky’s drafts were staggeringly horrible. Just proves that coaching and player evaluation are two totally different traits.
August 10th, 2015 at 3:55 pm
Chucky/Allen get a pass because, Even though they couldn’t draft for crap, Gruden teams were almost always competive.
Dom can’t say the same. His teams were seldom competitive.
August 10th, 2015 at 3:55 pm
Yeah, hate to say it, but I wonder what the team would look like if we had drafted according to Kiper or Mcshay. Just sayin’! 🙂
August 10th, 2015 at 4:02 pm
You can look up the Bucs’ draft history on Wikipedia and cycle back through the years.
It will make you want to puke!
The stand alone reason why this team has sucked so bad, for so many years.
Really depressing…
Go Sucs!
August 10th, 2015 at 4:11 pm
Couch whus up bro,but check it you say Gruden’s teams were always competitive. But did Gruden actually build those teams or were the core of those squads Dungy’s players?
August 10th, 2015 at 4:17 pm
If Chucky was so bad at talent evaluation. Please enlighten me how the f*k he rebuilt the perennial cellar dwellers (Oakland Raiders) into a Super Bowl Contender? I can’t recall a Matt Millen team that ever made the Playoffs-Do You?
Plus I can’t recall any GM in the HISTORY of the league. That decided to draft not ONE but THREE wideouts, in consecutive years (ALL TOP TEN PICKS). The Lions had wholes all over the F*king place. An yet, this bozo decided to pick 3 wide receivers! I can vividly remember having a draft party (I don’t discriminate). And my DTOWN Potnas were losing their minds.
August 10th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
Al Davis.
Don’t have to argue at Joe. Just look at Chucky’s drafts with the Bucs.
August 10th, 2015 at 4:26 pm
Does the so called Rock star have pictures of a Joe in bed with a tranny or something?? I just don’t get the constant sticking up for Dom.
Just because Bruce Allen was terrible at drafting is no excuse for Dominik’s horrible tenure. Marc Dominik is the primary reason this franchise has mostly sucked so bad for the last 6 years – and we are still dealing with the negative repercussions of all of his bad decisions.
So he picked ONE elite player in 5 years (GMC was a given – anyone could have made that pick blindfolded once Suh was off the board). I wanted the Bucs to get David pre-draft as well considering his College tape and the the lack of LB talent at that time. So its not like LD was a secret or some diamond in the rough that Dom found.
I also would have taken Kuechly at #7 overall that year and been more than thankful for the opportunity – but not DOM – in his infinite wisdom he decided to stick with his marginally talented 3rd round pick Foster at MLB and spend that super premium pick on Barron who was no better than a 3rd round talent himself. SMH.
Stop trying to convince your readers that Dom wasn’t so bad Joe. No one is buying it.
August 10th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
Chucky and Dominik both stink at player evaluations. Plus I think Schiano had more to do with the David pick.
August 10th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
100% agree with Pickgrin and ElioT
August 10th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
@Joe
Davis good back in the 70’s with the raiders, no doubt
But the late 80’s, 90’s-His picks were a joke around the league. If the guy was a workout warrior, and had elite speed Al would draft’em.
In his later years-the Raiders were Cellar Dwellers w/ Davis at the helm. Gruden made them a Super Bowl Contender again.
Plus out of the 7 years Gruden was coach, how many 1st & 2 round picks did he have?
August 10th, 2015 at 4:33 pm
On average Dominik was selecting at #9th and GM Bruce Allan average selection was #18th.
I guess that is the price you pay when the team makes the playoffs. And yes i spelled playoffs in the plural form!!!!
But we are comparing the very bad ” GM Bruce Allan” who also fixed the cap problem!! with the Very worst ( dominik rockstar )
August 10th, 2015 at 4:37 pm
We picked up some serviceable lineman under his watch
2007 2 FA Donald Penn T
2007 2 35 Arron Sears G
2006 1 23 Davin Joseph G
2008 3 83 Jeremy Zuttah G
2006 2 59 Jeremy Trueblood T
August 10th, 2015 at 4:41 pm
And Dominik was the guy who signed Penn.
Uh, oh.
August 10th, 2015 at 4:41 pm
But did Gruden actually build those teams or were the core of those squads Dungy’s players?
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I cant speak for everybody but to me it doesnt matter. Success is success. Doesn’t matter how you accomplish it. If Dom had any sustained success I doubt we’d be having this debate. But Gruden was successfull so he gets a pass. Thats how I look at it anyways.
August 10th, 2015 at 4:43 pm
Couch:
To be fair, Chucky was OK if not good with free agents (the guys he brought in on offense to push the team over the top). It was his drafts where he was worse than a drunk in a bar.
August 10th, 2015 at 4:47 pm
Oh, I asked you this a bunch of times. But you’ve never answered me.
Wasn’t it Bruce Allen-“through his resources”- the one. That reviewed tape of Donald Penn, and sent Dominik to further investigate the prospect-For a his opinion? While he was part of HIS Personnel Dept. (holdover from previous regime)
August 10th, 2015 at 4:50 pm
Wasn’t Dominik also the guy, that was pounding the table for us to Draft Michael Clayton over Steven Jackson?
August 10th, 2015 at 4:51 pm
Haven’t heard that. Bucs did need a WR that year, though.
August 10th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
Here comes the fanbase that didn’t like Arrelious Benn and Daquan Bowers coming out of college —–the morons
August 10th, 2015 at 4:56 pm
Everyone knew Clayton was slow
Steven Jackson was a man child at the time.
August 10th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
Pickgrin I was about to applaude you now I want to insult you. Yeah dude that’s it of course you would’ve done this and that. They moved up for Lavonte. HE WAS THE TARGET ALL ALONG AT LINEBACKER. YEAH LETS HAVE TWO- 50 MILLION DOLLAR LINEBACKERS. LETS GO BACK TO 1987 AND WIN A SUPERBOWK BOYS WOO HOO
August 10th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
Wasn’t Dominik too young for the hire at that position? That’s what I thought when he was hired. On the job training that took him where? TV, like Dungy and Gruden. If any of them were so good they would still be in football.
August 10th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
“Joe Says:
August 10th, 2015 at 4:51 pm
Haven’t heard that. Bucs did need a WR that year, though.”
True, but, they instead drafted Clayton.
August 10th, 2015 at 5:07 pm
Joe Says:
August 10th, 2015 at 4:41 pm
“serviceable”
And Dominik was the guy who signed Penn.
Uh, oh.
Uh, Oh GM Bruce Allan signed Penn in 2007 2 years before dominik’s reign of incompetence!!!!
August 10th, 2015 at 5:25 pm
Easy to say, all you 20/20 hindsight GM’s. There are whole scouting staffs that make draft day decisions. Alot of teams miss on players every year. Look at the first rd of the 2013 draft…a ton teams missed…probably better players drafted in 2nd rd
August 10th, 2015 at 5:29 pm
Chucks was a drunk in a bar Joe. That explains why he drafts like one. However to his credit when I watch the draft, he is 100,000 times better than Mel Kiper and Todd McShay at predicting the draft order. Like to the point where I don’t understand how Espn passes those fool of as experts. Keep it up Chucky
August 10th, 2015 at 5:29 pm
Gruden is a great coach, but awful at personnel choices. I’ve said it before:
Harry says
October 26th, 2013 at 10:24 am
“… Chucky is a great coach – no question – but you ppl must be nuts as well as having very short memories. He would definitely demand to have control over personnel (does this mean Bruce Allen returning too? – I shutter at that!); and Chucky is AWFUL at personnel! Do none of you remember that is what got us into the funk that is the Bucs?”.
August 10th, 2015 at 5:39 pm
Dungy didn’t draft Sapp or Brooks!! Sam did….
August 10th, 2015 at 5:47 pm
I’m not sure but I believe Nickerson and lynch were also on the team before Tony among others!
August 10th, 2015 at 6:11 pm
How about this guys…
THEY BOTH FOKCIN SUCKED AT DRAFTS AND PLAYER EVALUATION.
Who gives a flying crap which one sucked more…..they both sucked.
Gruden got more out of his guys. He was the best offensive coach we have ever had.
Dungy drafted the bucs players gruden road through town on.
Theyre both gone and I think Lovie and Jason are doing a good job so far
August 10th, 2015 at 6:40 pm
That is why Joe doesn’t put much stock in Kiper and McShay. Those guys are little more than clickbait.
August 10th, 2015 at 7:02 pm
Gruden got a pass by the fans because he was Chucky the Rockstar with all his faces and antics. He got a pass because he helped win us a superbowl. He didn’t do it by himself. His last year with the team proved what he couldn’t do without a great defense when they quit on him in the last 4 games because of Kiffin. He was incompetent when it came to evaluating talent and drafting but he did know how to bring veterans in and get the most out of them.
I might be wrong but I think the one good thing Dominek did was he didn’t have a lot of dead money because of the way he set up the contracts. His drafting and personnel decisions are what set us back for years.
You know why Licht is giving Dom props? Because he left him with almost nothing and now gets to build the team in the image he wants. Superstar qb and superstar OC and 1 OR 2 more good drafts we will be contenders for long time! He & Lovie will be sittin pretty for years!
One thing I’ve always had a problem with the Dungy detractors try to use is that Wyche drafted Sapp and Brooks. Did he develop them? No he didn’t! It was Dungy and the coaches he chose Kiffin, Marinelli, Tomlin and yes you haters LOVIE SMITH! Who developed Ronde Barber, John Lynch, Donnie Abraham, Dexter Jackson and can can’t rember name #25? If he wasn’t so conservative offensively he’d probably be still coaching us and we’d probably have 2 more championships. Gruden won with Dungy’s defense but it was his offense.
August 10th, 2015 at 7:16 pm
Wow. He hits on one pick in 5 years. 2 if you count McCoy.
Doesn’t make up for resigning Michael Clayton or trading up for Luke Stocker, or drafting Barron 7th, or letting Michael Bennett walk in favor Da’Quan…….
August 10th, 2015 at 7:36 pm
Love how Dominick is being compared to another Bucs GM/Coach….instead of other GMs in the league….that, alone should tell you how bad he really was.
August 10th, 2015 at 7:42 pm
Damn!
We all know that Dom drafted Gerald McCoy and Lavonte David
Yay.
Thats it.worst GM in league history
Heres the difference between Chucky/Allen, and dim
Chucky/Allen could not Draft or Coach young players.
But they could find (over the hill, ussually)players that fit their scheme- and could make a winning team. Wasnt going anywhere, but could pull off 9-7
Had to provide walkers occasionally.
Dim could not draft. Or sign free agents. Or resign his players. Or make Trades. Or do any of a GM’s job. Worst piece of s%it in team(league) history
Just let him print the Photos, Joe. Cant hurt your credibilty any more than defending Him does.
August 10th, 2015 at 7:44 pm
Dom must’ve been a great source for The Joes for two separate writers of this site to both be convinced he was good at his job. Dom was just as bad as Chucky and his boy Allen at drafting and was even worse when it came to free agents.
At least Chucky and Bruce didn’t neglect to draft positions of need like Dom neglected the o line.
August 10th, 2015 at 8:52 pm
@Broy3434 Says:
August 10th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
Pickgrin I was about to applaude you now I want to insult you. Yeah dude that’s it of course you would’ve done this and that. They moved up for Lavonte. HE WAS THE TARGET ALL ALONG AT LINEBACKER. YEAH LETS HAVE TWO- 50 MILLION DOLLAR LINEBACKERS.
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We would have had their stellar services working together for dirt cheap the 1st 3 years. Beyond that – apparently (from Dom’s and your point of view), it’s a good idea to pay one “shutdown”cornerback $96M over 6 years – but paying that much to have both L. David and Kuechly playing at an all pro level is stupid??
No One drafts players with an expectation they will be superstars and a worried eye towards how much you might have to pay them 3 or 4 years down the road. What a silly concept. You draft talent and HOPE you have to worry about how much they will be worth in their 4th or 5th year.
August 10th, 2015 at 9:53 pm
Dungy was never going to win it all here “Let it go……Let it go……”
He won it because he inherited Tom Moore and Peyton Manning and tinkered with their defense. IN fairness, Chucky won it because he inherited Monte, DB, Lynch and Sapp and tinkered with the offense. Surprised Chucky didn’t try to coax Darryl Lamonica out of retirement. His magic didn’t work with Jake Plummer though.
If Dungy had hired a halfway decent OC here, he would have never been fired.
Great point on Dominik getting us out of salary cap hell. Say what you want, but it has helped to this day.
August 10th, 2015 at 9:56 pm
The thing is there are very few picks the Bucs made the last several years that most fans didn’t like. Hindsight.
Yes he missed on some but most the D Line picks over the years were considered great picks and great value (Bowers, Price, etc).
He should have done better – definitely, but he also needed to have free reign and he didn’t. He was pulled in different directions by the Glazers and others.
Regardless, I don’t see the point in trashing the guy. Move on. Time to get positive !
August 10th, 2015 at 10:45 pm
Draft record:
Dominick > Gruden.
August 10th, 2015 at 11:05 pm
To be honest, Ron Wolf and John McKay was our best football minds. We just had an Owner that was poor at public relations and didn’t understand football. When Hugh Culverhouse was awarded the expansion Bucs in 1975, he hired Ron Wolf from the Oakland Raiders to be our Vice President of football operations. Then he hired John McKay from USC to be our head coach, we went 0-14 in 1976 and 2-12 in 1977. But we had the 1st pick again in 1978, and Ron Wolf got into a power struggle with Culverhouse and McKay. Some people say that Ron Wolf wanted Earl Campbell and wanted to trade Ricky Bell, but John McKay wanted to trade the pick. So Ron Wolf resigned before the draft and the Bucs trade the pick to the Houston Oilers for Jimmy Giles and the Oilers 1st and 2nd pick in 1978, and their 3rd and 5th round picks in 1979. The Oilers drafted Earl Campbell, and the Bucs drafted Doug Williams with the 17th pick of the 1st round, And everyone thought that the Bucs had reached for Doug Williams, but our OC( Joe Gibbs) wanted Doug. But what McKay and Ron Wolf did was to take us from the laughing stock of the NFL to the NFC Championship game in our 4th year of existence. Everyone had jokes about us, some even suggested sending Doug Williams to Iran, because he wouldn’t have any problem overthrowing the Ayatollah. When the hostages was freed in 1979, one of them ask who was playing for the conference championships, and they said the Bucs and the Rams and they laugh like crazy. But after Culverhouse refuse to sign Doug for $500, 000 a year, everything went downhill. Joe Gibbs even brought Doug to the Redskins and won a championship. Culverhouse traded Steve Young to the 49ers for a 2nd round pick because he said he have enough RB’S and he needed a QB. Ron Wolf was inducted into the Hall of Fame this weekend, and I still say that he was our best Football Mind and John McKay was our best Head Coach. But we just had a Owner who didn’t understand football.
August 10th, 2015 at 11:44 pm
The last few years of the Bruce Allen era, we had a solid o line in place. He drafted them. Gruden and Bill Muir developed them. In 2009 when both were gone, that line was the brightest spot on our roster. If nothing else, Allen gets some credit for that.
Now was Dominik THAT bad? Well, look at what he built. Nothing. Nothing about any of those teams were strong. Outside of Mccoy and David, we had nothing developed. The only bright spots were through free agents. Any team can over pay for a player. All but two of our draft picks were a waste. Maybe a couple more if Banks and Martin have strong years. But it seems like under Dom, most of our draft picks were a waste.
Now you could argue that no matter who he drafted, it would be a waste because of the mediocre coaching staffs we had, led by Raheem and Schiano. Unless that player is an icon in waiting, they wouldn’t amount to anything with our incompetence on the sideline.
Personally, I think it was everything. The poor coaching. The poor drafting. Patching together a top heavy roster. It all contributed to the demise of our once prized franchise. It wasnt just Dom. It wasnt just Raheem then Schiano. It was one perfect spit storm of mediocrity! No one, not Dom, not Raheem, not Schiano, not the Glazers, are free of guilt! And at the same time, you cant blame everthing on one individual either. Gruden and Allen couldnt draft, but the made up for it and compensated. The Dominik tenure, did not.
August 11th, 2015 at 12:17 am
Wasn;t he like the only successful 2nd round pick we’ve had the past 10 years
August 11th, 2015 at 7:04 am
Worst GM ever.
Joe, your love for Dominik is displaced and shall we say wrong?
Come on man!!
August 11th, 2015 at 7:10 am
Chucky won a Super Bowl in Tampa. The man walks on water. I was OK with him being the coach of the Bucs for life just for giving me something I never thought I would see in my life time. I hopeful with Jameis I will get to see the Bucs win another Super Bowl before I go.
August 11th, 2015 at 9:25 am
You see Joe? You have lost. You are like a senile old person mumbling to yourself in the retirement home about how great ‘the good old days were.’
28-52. Wiki it. Hashtag it. Just remember, when you defend Dominik you defend 28-52.
(And as has been pointed out, of the two good players Dominik drafted one was a no brainer that a 6 year old girl would’ve made after spending 5 minutes looking over a composite mock draft).