Calling George Warhop
August 30th, 2015
Lovie’s orders aren’t being heeded
Did the Buccaneers’ offensive line look like it showed up last night?
Raise your hand if you think O-line coach George Warhop is doing a good job.
Remember what Lovie Smith told Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com this summer?
Lovie said he would demand the offensive line pass protect like they never have before.
The message ain’t gettin’ through.
Joe is sick and tired of this baloney. Truly. What will it take for guys like Logan Mankins and Evan Smith to show up and leave their hearts and souls on the field? Perhaps Mankins and Smith don’t have any more to give? Joe thinks they at least have a little more.
And that brings Joe back to Warhop. The man is not motivating his troops to deliver the consistency that Lovie preaches and demands.
The O-line is the most inconsistent unit on the team — for a long time — outside of whatever the hell is going on with the kicking game and punt coverage this summer.
This cannot continue. Joe also knows offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter didn’t get to go shopping for his own O-line coach, or nearly ever other offensive position coach. Why?
Last night on the Buccaneers Radio Network, general manager Jason Licht heaped a load of praise on new assistant offensive line coach Butch Barry, who Licht described as a high-demand, up-and-comer coach out of Central Michigan University.
Maybe Barry could step in and straighten things out. Next man up.
Sorry, Joe just can’t play wait-and-see when the health of America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, is deteriorating weekly and clearly in peril.
August 30th, 2015 at 11:35 am
The NFL needs to make an emergency ruling that the Bucs can have 13 players players on offense for the 2015 season, with 7 lineman. Maybe then, they can perform like an average unit.
August 30th, 2015 at 11:37 am
Maybe it was two games in five days or maybe it is a repete of last year but the team looked unprepared last night. Is it the head coach ???
August 30th, 2015 at 11:43 am
The Bombing for Bosa Begins!
August 30th, 2015 at 11:45 am
A team goes 2-14 and the only coach that was not brought back was the scape goat OC? Just shows how this team is ok with losing
August 30th, 2015 at 11:48 am
“Coach” IHOP is a symptom, not the problem.
I know, I know…whatever you do don’t put any blame on the rube in charge of this miserable football team. That guy is such a lovable fella I would hate to see any negativity shine his way. Do-no-wrong Lovie Smith!
August 30th, 2015 at 11:51 am
Ding, ding, ding … we have a winner. If the OLine is consistent … consistently bad that is … over time, perhaps it’s the coach as opposed to the players.
Cleveland canned George Warhop 2 years ago when they were rebuilding their OLine through the draft. Perhaps they didn’t think Warhop was the right man to be working with a bunch of rookies? After watching the performance of the 2 teams’ OLines last night, I’d say Cleveland knew something we didn’t.
And on the subject of assistant coaches, at what point is it appropriate for fans to start questioning the performance of our Bucs special teams coaching? Not very impressive, last year or so far this year.
August 30th, 2015 at 11:53 am
Hopefully they cut Warhop when they trim the roster to 75.
August 30th, 2015 at 12:00 pm
It’s not just the o-line…it’s all 3 parts of team. Defense, offense, and special teams. All THREE!
August 30th, 2015 at 12:00 pm
@Joe
So whose seat is hotter…Warhop’s or O’Dea’s? Yeah the Oline has been inconsistent…think rookies…but our special teams have been consistent.
They have consistently SUCKEDD! So who is worse? Warhop or O’Dea?
August 30th, 2015 at 12:00 pm
Just like last season!
August 30th, 2015 at 12:02 pm
Which one is worse Joe?
The o-line or the d-line?
August 30th, 2015 at 12:02 pm
Warhop must have some blackmail photos on somebody high up in the organization. He is a joke
August 30th, 2015 at 12:05 pm
Warhop left the Browns and their line improved…
August 30th, 2015 at 12:10 pm
EDS and Mankins are both liabilities at this point. Eds let’s a DE cross his face unblocked so he can double team a CB and the DE makes the sack. Mankins comes to help eds with a block and doesn’t finish it so there’s another sack. Martin helps double team a DE and leaves the A gap open so two DBs can get the sack.
In the words on the infamous Vince Lombardi – what the hell is going on out there. –
August 30th, 2015 at 12:11 pm
The less ‘pro ready’ Mariota looks better on an equally bad o line and a less talented team
August 30th, 2015 at 12:14 pm
J
He really doesn’t though.
August 30th, 2015 at 12:17 pm
The team is going backwards from 2013 not forward. The 3rd game of preseason is supposed to give us a gauge of what the regular season might look like. This is scary times right now. Forget about Monday night and the short rest. If they game planned for that game and Josh McCown ate them for lunch, this team is cooked.
August 30th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
Blame the gm
August 30th, 2015 at 12:22 pm
Do you ever notice how not one OL has never credited Warhop with being a good coach.?They tend to mention other veteran players on the OL with helping them.
August 30th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
Yes DestinJohnny…but never blame Lovie. Everyone else but Lovie.
August 30th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
Truly horrendous o-line play last night, after seeing jameis limp off after sack #3 i ask how much more does lovie and licht need to see before spending some of that cap on some proven free agents? Case in point, we signed cherrilus, but let Evan Mathis get away???? For the love of lovie protect jameis!!
August 30th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
Glennon is further along than Winston at this point, he played behind this crapass line for 2 years and knows how crap they are. People saying Glennon isn’t a starting caliber qb aren’t taking line play into account.
August 30th, 2015 at 12:41 pm
I don’t think it is the gm. He does what Lovie says, like blowing up the roster before the 2014 season because he doesn’t think those players are better than what he will bring in. We are in semi rebuilding mode. Lovie better turn it around quick. By the way I agree with you @Buc1987, 100 percent.
August 30th, 2015 at 12:41 pm
Paul Says:
August 30th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
“Glennon is further along than Winston at this point, he played behind this crapass line for 2 years”
No he didn’t. Marpet, Smith, and Cherilus are all new. This isn’t the same line as last season.
August 30th, 2015 at 12:47 pm
Going to have to wait til the end of the year before you call for coaching changes. Lovie is locked in. I don’t like changing coaches but if Lovie can’t get defense going and warhops o-line sux again might have to. Licht deserves some criticism too. Maybe o-line will improve but he didn’t add one vet o-line guy and the guys he brought in have been bad. Til end of year we gotta just keep going to games and wait and see if we improve.
August 30th, 2015 at 12:47 pm
and Paul…Schiano’s line was MUCH better in 2013 than this crap. Granted they have 2 rookies starting.
August 30th, 2015 at 1:00 pm
Buc1987 Says:
August 30th, 2015 at 12:47 pm
and Paul…Schiano’s line was MUCH better in 2013 than this crap. Granted they have 2 rookies starting.
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But, but I thought Winston was going to make ALL of the players around him better??
tickrdr
BTW, why hasn’t anyone mentioned that JW3 ran out of bounds one yard short of the first down marker yesterday, in a meaningless preseason game?
August 30th, 2015 at 1:05 pm
As stated above the 3rd game is gauge for the season, the bucs look worse than last year…special teams worse, NO PASS RUSH, secondary cant cover, IHOPs squad is getting winston pancaked, this OL could destroy winstons career…. the bucs are who we thought they were
August 30th, 2015 at 1:11 pm
Waiver wire the whole oline!
August 30th, 2015 at 1:11 pm
“But, but I thought Winston was going to make ALL of the players around him better??”
tickrdr
“BTW, why hasn’t anyone mentioned that JW3 ran out of bounds one yard short of the first down marker yesterday, in a meaningless preseason game?”
Ha ha ha the same thing you said in the second line can answer the first line. “A meaningless preseason game.”
August 30th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
Is this 1987 and Vinny Testeverde all over again? It sure feels like it.
I might start calling Lovie, Ray Perkins.
August 30th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
Penn looking good in Oakland, Larsen in AZ, Zuttah in Baltimore! They let go of quality for crap! Lovie and Jason have that clueless look and will be fired! Doesn’t help Shameis sounds like Fat Albert in the huddle!
August 30th, 2015 at 1:30 pm
It’s one thing for your team to lose a meaningless preseason game but it’s another issue when your team is out played, out coached and embarrassed consistently like Lovie’s bucs have been. Lovie is over his head. It’s time for the Glazers to bring in a president of football operations and get out of the way. Not someone from the past and surely not a Dungy or Brooks. It’s time to move forward. Celebrate the past but not try and relive the past. Living in the past never works out. Lovie having full control of this roster is disastrous both short term and long term.
Another issue, How can the teams so called leaders GMC and Mankins look themselves in the mirror after the performances their teams put together against the vikes and browns. Right now the Bucs under the Glazer boys and Lovie smith are making the Browns and Raiders look like Class Organizations.
August 30th, 2015 at 1:33 pm
87
Dont insult Mr Perkins he won 4 games his first year and never received the free passes that the Legendary Lovie smith has.
August 30th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
For all the Lovie haters. The good news is that he is under contract for three more years. The Glazers are NOT going to eat two more years of HC salary after the indigestion of paying off Rah and Schiano and with all these rookies.
So rejoice boys. You have two more years to come here and vent your spleens against Lovie.
August 30th, 2015 at 1:37 pm
DB one evades unblocked tacklers and doesn’t throw panicked pocket passes. I’ve watched all 6 of their games. JW nearly threw 4 picks last night. One was great defense n not his fault 2 were panicked heaves the 3rd, a jump ball at v Jax when Sims was there for a dump of 6 yards on 3rd n 1
August 30th, 2015 at 1:39 pm
Maybe let Koetter take over HC duties. He has done a lot to fix a shit sandwich
August 30th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
StPete
Lovie has cost the Glazers more than his entire deal is worth. They would be saving money canning his sorry arse.
Do you think they enjoyed swallowing the 31 million in dead money LOIVE created last season. Do you think they are enjoying the failed free agent class of this year. Spin it anyway you want but bringing in Carter to start and MLB and failing is bad on every level. Yes Carter will be a nice backup and occasional starter but it does not justify his contract. Conte is a joke. Melton has played better than I thought he would be. However, lets see if he can stay healthy that’s not his strong suit. Moore has struggled to pull away from LJ…
Based on the amount of money Lovie has already cost the glazers your is negated. It’s a better argument that canning lovie would save them money in the long term the facts support that more than your argument.
The only one creating dead money and debt faster than Loive is Obama… Lovie For President!
August 30th, 2015 at 2:11 pm
tmaxcon..no shyte and there wasn’t any free agency yet either. Ray Perkins was working with less.
Yikes, gotta find another nickname for him….
August 30th, 2015 at 2:14 pm
Where was all the “Lovie” talk Tuesday?……Lovie may be just one regular season win from being “Loved Lovie” again….
Welcome to the NFL…..
August 30th, 2015 at 2:17 pm
TBBF…or even a win next week in preseason no less with no starters in. lol
August 30th, 2015 at 2:21 pm
Yeah TBBF and 87 I truly get the ‘what have you done for me lately” but 3 games into a preseason is pretty amusing.
August 30th, 2015 at 2:33 pm
I see a lot of people on these blogs don’t have football knowledge, i’m going to say this again. The Bucs O-Line didn’t play bad last night, they were overmatched with blitzes. That is not poor O-Line play , when you have 5 O-Linemen, and a TE trying to block 7 defensive players. I have said that the Bucs need to go back to the 2 backs backfield, like they had in 2012 with Erik Loriq and Doug Martin. The Bucs never had the right personnel in the game to counter Cleveland blitz package. To blame George Warhop and the O-Line for this mistake is stupid in my opinion. The blames has to go to the OC and the Head Coach, it’s their responsible to make adjustments. I can understand the fact that they had a short week to prepare the offense for the Browns. But the Bucs came in unprepared in every area, and that problem lies with 3 coaches. The Head Coach, OC AND DC, the position coaches has no hand in that. In 1979 when we won the NFC South, Head Coach John McKay had 7 coaches on his team, after Joe Gibbs left the year before. Coach Mckay called his own plays and he didn’t hire another OC, we currently have 19 coaches on our staff. It seems like teams have so many coaches is to give the Head Coach, DC AND OC the freedom to focus soley on game planning. But a lot of them are not getting it done. I mean how can you possibly blame last night performance on George Warhop and the O-Line, and not 1 single person has mention Dirk Koetter or Lovie Smith name. It’s obvious that people don’t know the responsibility of a NFL position coach, they’re job are to teach the players techiques. Last night the Bucs should have counter Cleveland blitz package with 2 backs, 2 TEs and 1 wideout. But they never did, and i’m sure that Dirk Koetter did not want to show his hand. Dirk Koetter has many schemes to counter an blitz attack, he just didn’t use them in a meaningless game. The comments on here are crazy, incompetent,irreverent and immature.
August 30th, 2015 at 2:34 pm
I have been a died in the wool Bucs fan for decades and was very hopeful for a renewed team energy and talent upon the announcement of Lovie Smith becoming HC.
After last nights dreadful showing I have serious concern for the first time that some of the coaching preparation should be called into question. I have my doubts about Warhop.
Something must be changed quickly or we are in for another long and depressing season.
August 30th, 2015 at 2:36 pm
I am on record saying it was a bad mistake not to fire WarFLOP. San Francisco canned him in mid season, and we need to dump him NOW. He was stupid to start EDS again when Warren proved he is far better! Make Mankins the Player Coach until we can find a qualified replacement. O’Dea has been a disaster from day one too. Edwards and Warhop’s Brownie Pet also need to be cut and replaced by a Veteran Guard and the best cut Guard we can get from another team that has too much OL help. As to Defense GMC still has no sacks for all of Preseason. He is only a weak version of his 300 pound All Pro Self and whoever talked him into losing weight needs to be fired too. Have him wash that stupid red dye out of his hair too!
August 30th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
Yeah, why didn’t Koetter get any say in the selection of offensive coaching personnel? He must of not have been held in such high esteem as Buc fans are led to believe he held and holds. Lovie and Licht obviously made the decisions who to keep and who to dismiss. The talent there and execution all falls on the head coach and GM.
August 30th, 2015 at 2:49 pm
Look the O-line is bad. BUTTT JW caused at least 3 of the sacks. I just bathe the game again. go see for yourselves. The O-line is bad, JW worse.
August 30th, 2015 at 2:50 pm
watched
August 30th, 2015 at 2:52 pm
Buccfan37…Andrew 1 and I were discussing Koetter awhile back, and we both weren’t as enamored with him as most Bucs fans. I think we both agreed that he would certainly be better than Arroyo, but Atlanta has sucked for the most part over the past few years. Although they beat the hell out of Lovie last season, go figure.
Perhaps Lovie should pick Koetter’s brain as to how the hell they lit him up last season so badly. Perhaps he already has. Either way, whatever. It’s going to be a long fun season. Lot’s of wow’s and lot’s of wtf’s.
Hang on tight Bucs fans and Go Bucs!
August 30th, 2015 at 3:01 pm
Jameis is getting a rookie pass from me as a drop back passer especially with this line. Cleveland did bring the house after him more than a few times, which NO one is talking about. The kid got blitzed the hell out of. I’m not worried about the rookie Jameis Winston.
Bigger things to worry about than Jameis, because he might not survive the season healthy or Glennon for that matter.
August 30th, 2015 at 3:02 pm
And since Lovie has given Dirk Koetter complete control of the offense, then everything should fall on him. Lovie has made it clear that he will focus solely on defense. And he is hands off on offense, but Lovie made a big mistake in 2014. When the Glazers first hired him as Head Coach, he should have convinced the Glazers to hire Mike Mularkley as OC. But he wanted Jeff Tedford, and the Titans hired Mularkley as TE coach. After last season with Tedford on IR for the season, the Bucs tried to hire Mularkley. But the Titans refused to let the Bucs interview him,so they went with Dirk Koetter. But I don’t believe Dirk Koetter is the man for the Bucs, he wasn’t the man for the Falcons after Mike Mularkley left. He had the 13-3 season with the Falcons in 2012 after Mularkley left in 2011. But in 2013 and 2014 the Falcons went 4-12 and 6-10 and Mike Smith was fired. Mike Smith is another Lovie Smith, a defensive coach who trust his offense with an OC. But Dirk Koetter came in and changed the team offensive makeup that Mike Mularkley had built into instant success with a rookie QB ( Matt Ryan) and the Falcons never missed the playoffs while Mularkley was OC. Dirk Koetter came in with the single back, single TE, 3 Wr offense and at times, 4 WR and no back. And the Falcons went from first to worst in no time, and all the blame fell on Mike Smith. The Bucs can win the NFC South this season, but they will have to do it with their running game. Is Dirk Koetter the right OC for the Bucs? me personally I don’t think so. And all blame should fall on him and not the position coach or the Head Coach. That happen in Atlanta and it happen in Jacksonville with Jack Del Rio. It’s his offense and his schemes and he alone should shoulder the blame for it failures.
August 30th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
Lovie will sink the ship no matter who we have playing on the field.
He has to much control with no control at all.
Lovie = Fail
August 30th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
We will win the NFC South this season, I have zero doubt. When we take the field on 9-13-2015 against the Titans. We will be ready, not only for the Titans. But ready to take this NFC South, and we get it done. LET’S GO BUCS
August 30th, 2015 at 4:00 pm
A QB who is a quick decision maker and has a quick release will make his O-line look great, while a QB who is slower will make the O-line look awful. I am not very impressed with Winston yet, as I am with Mariota, but I also think we shouldn’t overreact to a game played on a short week after a Monday nighter…
August 30th, 2015 at 4:06 pm
Lakeland Buc, I remember your earlier comment about the importance of Mularkey in Atlanta’s offensive production. That explanation of Koetter takes a lot of the wind out of the sails of his supposed offensive capacity. Did he coach or play at Florida?
August 30th, 2015 at 4:12 pm
Buccfan37, Mike Mularkley played TE for the Florida Gators, and the Vikings, Steelers. He never coached in college, he was a TE,OC or Head Coach in the NFL.
August 30th, 2015 at 5:17 pm
Of course much of this is on Koetter. But I’m not indicting Koetter. As TBBF frequently points out he isn’t showing his cards in the preseason. In addition they are far more interested in coaching up Fameis than winning PS games.
But it’s clear the Bucs were unprepared offensively and Fameis, without really knowing what he was doing, totally threw Koetter under the bus. Fameis said in the preseason that the Brownies confused them…not just the 3-4 but Fameis said the Brownies threw things at them that they hadn’t seen on video when they studied during their short week. They were ambushed, caught off guard.
Now we can all jump Koetter but I trust him. I suspect he knows what he’s doing a lot more than we bloggers. He clearly didn’t game plan for this contest and the team looked not only flat but confused.
I just don’t believe Koetter will have that attitude against Dick LeBeau’s defense. Now if we are as unprepared against the Titans then I’ll be upset.
August 30th, 2015 at 6:08 pm
Tmaxcon has nailed it. Period. Full stop. End of conversation.
August 30th, 2015 at 7:03 pm
@Lakeland Buc
Check your facts. Atlanta’s poor record in 2013 and 2014 was not because of the offense. You win dumbest posting of the day.
August 30th, 2015 at 7:28 pm
All 3 phases once again played bad and with no energy. When all 3 phases continually play bad, it only means 1 man is responsible. The one that most of you keep giving a pass to. LoL. To funny to watch yous blame everyone else but that 1 man…
August 30th, 2015 at 8:10 pm
cometowin2, lol all I can do is laugh at some of you people. You all have zero football knowledge, but you quick to comment. In 2008 when Matt Ryan was a rookie, the Atlanta Falcons also signed Michael Turner . As the Falcons rush for over 2400 yards, and they went 11-5 under Mike Mularkey as OC. In 2013 the Atlants Falcons rush for 1247 yards as they went 4-12. And in 2014 the Atlanta Falcons rushed for 1498 yards, and went 6-10. It’s a fact that Dirk Koetter, Vertical passing offense improved Matt Ryan numbers as a passer. As he have pass for over 4,000 yards every season in it. In 2013 Matt Ryan attempted 659 passes and they ran the ball 321 times. In 2014 Matt Ryan attempted 632 passes and they ran the football 372 times. My point is simple, the Falcons did not have an balance attack under Koetter. Like the balance attack that they had with Mike Mularkey, which they won with. They won with Mularkley attack, every season, they never had a losing record. But you have these pass happy, football illiterate, football fans. Who would say that the Falcons have a top ranked offense, and they score a lot of points. So it gotta be the defense fault for them losing. But in reality, a pass happy offense will only destroy a good defense. The Seattle Seahawks have been a force in the NFL since drafting Russell Wilson, but they are balance. They are not one dimension like the Falcons was under Koetter. Here are the Seahawks numbers with Wilson. In 2012 they threw 405 passes, and ran the ball 536 times. In 2013 they threw 420 passes and ran the ball 509 times. In 2014 they threw 454 passes and ran the ball 525 times. And they have been very, very successful with their balance attack. In 1979 we won the NFC South, Doug Williams attempted 434 passes for less than 2500 yards. He even threw 18 TDS to 24 INTS, and completed 42% of his passes. But the Bucs ran the ball 609 times for over 2400 yards and we had the best defense in the league. Coach Bill Castle haven’t had a losing season in 37 years as our Head Coach at Lakeland High. And at one time we had 3 straight 15-0 seasons with 3 State Titles and a National titles. He always stressed a balance attack, as did Coach McKay with the Bucs. Matter of fact, all great coaches believed in a balanced attack. So if a person think that Dirk Koetter and his pass happy attack wasn’t responsible for the Falcons demise. They obviously has no football knowledge, and do not fully understand the game. And it’s always the people with the less amount of knowledge that throws the insults. I guess if you lack the knowledge to indulge in a mature conversation, you has to go into a childish rant. GO BUCS
August 30th, 2015 at 10:13 pm
Funny you don’t mention the true downfall of the Facons which was their defense. Try that.
August 30th, 2015 at 11:55 pm
Mike Mularkey started his coaching career with the Bucs in 94 as quality control then promoted to TEs coach.
LakelandBucfan is becoming my favorite person to read on JBF. Not only does he often write my thoughts much more clearly than I could ever but he also gives lots of interesting history, facts and always does it with a upbeat Bucfan spirit.