Revis Hated Year With Bucs
July 23rd, 2015
Few happy days in Tampa Bay.
For too many myopic fans, former Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik has become a piñata.
Sure, he made mistakes, he’s human. But compared to the braintrust of Bruce Almighty and Chucky and their personnel moves, Dominik was the second coming of Packers yoda Ted Thompson.
Funny how fans forget that. But let’s pile on Dominik because he’s on TV.
Well, one thing you can’t blame Dominik for is future Hall of Famer cornerback Darrelle Revis walking out the door. Dominik pulled off a heist getting Revis for a first-round pick and a third-round pick.
Revis, like most elite athletes who need roughly two years to recover from major surgery, wasn’t 100 percent with the Bucs but remained one of the better corners in the NFL. Because he wasn’t playing at his Hall of Fame level, the losing and losing and losing wore on him. Dom Cosentino of NJ.com shared this information based on a new Sports Illustrated feature on Revis; the All-Pro loathed playing for the Bucs.
Revis never fit in Tampa. By his own admission his knee wasn’t healthy. The Bucs started 0–8. Their Cover Two defensive scheme meant that Revis blanketed portions of the field more often than he did elite receivers, as had been his forte in New York. His lost season can best be summarized by the jersey Revis signed for one Tampa exec on the way out. “Thanks for letting me leave,” he wrote.
Well, the team Revis left ended up with the worst record in football. The team Revis went to, the Belicheats, won the Super Bowl.
There are other cool nuggets in that story, including how Revis, a year removed from the Bucs, is as healthy as he has ever been. Nothing like buying high and selling low, huh?
Yes, you can shoot spitballs at Dominik all you wish. But getting a Hall of Famer at his prime physical age for a first round pick and a throwaway third-round pick was highway robbery by Dominik. Spin all you want, but trying to make that transaction look bad only makes yourself look like a fool.
Giving up on Revis was the mistake.
July 23rd, 2015 at 5:25 am
So we were all lied to about his health? Classy, real classy.
July 23rd, 2015 at 5:31 am
If he wasn’t healthy enough to cover the elite receivers, why would they make him do it? Sounds like they were trying to help him out by putting him in a zone.
July 23rd, 2015 at 6:19 am
Were we even playing cover 2 during schiano?
July 23rd, 2015 at 7:13 am
Just ask the Jets if they feel like they got “fleeced” in the deal!!!
July 23rd, 2015 at 7:20 am
Please remind me what we got for those 16mil in exchange for letting Revis walk?…
Josh freaking McCown
Michael Johnson
Anthony Collins
I’m sure we couldn’t use an elite corner on this team. That would make too much sense.
Lovie Smith and his little lapdog GM are the epitome of incompetence.
July 23rd, 2015 at 7:29 am
“But getting a Hall of Famer at his prime physical age for a first round pick and a throwaway fourth round pick was highway robbery by Dominik.”
Highway robbery? Seriously?
Bucs paid $16 MILLION for Revis, PLUS a first round pick PLUS a throwaway (?) fourth round pick for a less than 100% CB to play for a mediocre (at best) team and you call it ‘highway robbery by Dominik’ Joe?
Highway robbery … YES. But by Dominik? Not hardly.
Not having Revis on the team wouldn’t have made a hill-of-beans difference to our dismal record in 2013. Having an additional $16 mil could’ve gotten us a couple of pretty decent FAs that year who might still be helping us right now.
The Jets picked up Sheldon Richardson with that first round pick. Just below that the Panthers drafted Star Lotulelei. Personally wouldn’t mind having either one of them, although DT wasn’t our greatest need right then.
July 23rd, 2015 at 7:31 am
1st round pick, 3/4 round pick, 16 million for 2 interceptions!!!!
Call me a fool, cause this sounds like a terrible deal!!!!
The Only good that came out of this deal, was that this was the breaking point for the Glazers, This was the move that went south that they finally said enough!!! We have to get rid of our terrible GM!!!
July 23rd, 2015 at 7:34 am
Hahaha. A first round pick plus more for an injured QB that we had to overpay by a ridiculous amount. Then we only keep him for the year when he’s injured.
This was a heist all right – by the Jets.
July 23rd, 2015 at 7:37 am
It would have been a third round pick if we kept Revis on the roster, the only reason it became a throwaway fourth is that we cut him.
July 23rd, 2015 at 7:52 am
Hello Dallas buddy ol pal drawing attention to America’s Head coach in way that only your super competent self can. Lovie says he appreciates all the love guy. Especially considering the fact he’ll be coaching here for a decade. As for Revis it’s not hard tell he would’ve been a over priced none fit for a 2scheme. All any of us have seen this man do since entering the NFL is man cover number 1 or X receivers. You don’t tell a talent like that to cover a zone. That would be like telling a mercenary to join a regiment and begin pulling guard on a platoons latrines. That wouldn’t make since at all.
July 23rd, 2015 at 7:57 am
The Patriots got a much better deal than we did…..So the Jets gain…..the Patriots gain….and….well…we lost.
July 23rd, 2015 at 8:00 am
Throw away third round picks? That’s nuts, teams that win cherish those types of picks. And then to trade for a guy that does one thing, and force him to do something else? Priceless stupidity.
That deal was one of the worst in franchise history. Only idiots would argue otherwise. Period. Full Stop.
July 23rd, 2015 at 8:07 am
@Joe
The “rockstar” traded the farm away for damaged goods! the better deal would have been to build a team! not try and put an all-star name so that the star power was recognized nationally!!!!
The better move would be to get a great player with that high first rounder! signed 1-2 of the flooded corner back market that played very well, and with the money left over the Glazer could have bought all the fans ice-cream for all home pre-season games for 2 years!! which by the way would have been the most exciting event in Raymond James Stadium!!!!
July 23rd, 2015 at 8:17 am
not a quote from Revis- just some reporter pretending to have mind reading abilities.
Do agree with Assesment of Revis deal. Getting him was great, letting him Leave was incredibly stupid
But no, no.
Dim would be the worst Gm, if the choice was him, or a steaming hot Pile.
July 23rd, 2015 at 8:28 am
Why is everyone ignoring the fact that we didn’t play a Tampa 2 much when Revis was here. Makes you seriously question the rest of his story. All the idiot Schiano did was put him on the other team’s second or third receiver, which allowed the qb to throw to his #1. Funny how everyone revises history as time passes. Does no one remember the Saints game when he was covering some rookie that never caught a pass??? As for him signing the jersey, I don’t believe it. I don’t even think he was in Tampa when everything went down. Sounds like a load of crap to me.
July 23rd, 2015 at 8:42 am
Buc Realist. You asked for it. You are a fool. We could have Revis still instead you are happy we signed collins, Johnson and mccown. Whose are the fools? L&L and since you asked. You are too. All Revis has done is two-pro bowls, all-pro and SB ring. I still don’t know how the Michael Johnson signing isn’t the worst move overall, he was terrible, hurt and cost real money more than any of these other decisions.
July 23rd, 2015 at 8:43 am
Can’t blame revis if he really did hate it here. He had to play for two of the biggest idiots in the league at the time Schiavo (auto corrected but seems appropriate for that jerkoff) and dumm dom.
July 23rd, 2015 at 8:46 am
I always gave Dominick credit for the way he structured that 16 million a year contract he gave to Revis, It protected the Bucs from a terrible cap hit in case they got rid of him early, just like they did.
Let’s not forgot it wasn’t Revis who was putting himself in the wrong schemes, It was his terrible coaches.
I agree it would have made more since to keep Revis for another year, or too!
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:00 am
@Joe
Between this and yesterday’s Barron article you have made me physically sick! Projectile vomiting sick. Next week can’t get here soon enough.
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:02 am
That was a desperate move from a desperate GM on the hot seat.
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:04 am
I would be pretty upset too if you paid me 16 million to rehab.
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:11 am
IMHO I never saw Revis truly as one that was culturally part of this team. I may be wrong but to me he seemed distant and not really interested in being part of the team or the community. It seems he was purely here for the paycheck.
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:15 am
But compared to the braintrust of Bruce Almighty and Chucky and their personnel moves, Dominik was the second coming of Packers yoda Ted Thompson.
YES!!! I haven’t forgotten Joe.
I do feel however 16 million is just too much for any CB..Revis..Sherman..Peterson…it’s just too hard for a CB to make THAT big of an impact. Imagine if you had Revis and were facing the Bucs..who would you put him on…ME or VJ or it could be that Bell is a bigger threat to get open deep?
If we were just a CB away from a SuperBowl then I’d consider 16 million.
The arguments being made that the 16 million we saved was wasted on bad signings does not mean we shouldn’t have applied that 16 million to all the weak spots on this team. It simply means that the Bucs scrwd the pooch on those signings.
What if that 16 million had been used wisely. Would you still have the same attitude?
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:18 am
BTW Of course Revis hated it here. Did anybody here enjoy being a fan that year?
We ALL hated that year!!!
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:21 am
Good point St.Pete…
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:24 am
I know one thing I really hope before it’s all said and done him an Mike get an opportunity to go at it head to head one-day.
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:33 am
Hmmmm let’s see… I would sure take Sheldon Richardson or whatever other pass rusher, OL were available over Revis. Especially when Schiano and Dominick definitely had discussions when making this trade about how Revis would be used. Heist my ass. I usually agree with a lot of what Joe says but this one is way off. This isn’t hindsight either. I said this when the trade was made.
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:39 am
i said it then and I will repeat it now….Revis was a terrible addition to the team! He was injured, he was way too expensive and HE DIDN’T FIT OUR SCHEME! Glad he’s gone!
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:44 am
I’ll lay off judging the Revis deal, Joe liked the addition, it’s his site and his blood pressure may elevate to dangerous levels by suggestion it was a bad deal for the Bucs.
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:45 am
In no Universe can Lovie and Revis coexist!!! It would have been the Freeman tank the team all over again!!
And is Revis better than the 2 bad free-agents and 1 ok free agent, Sure. But that does not make the “rocksstar” over paying for damaged goods a “good deal”!!!
Even Belicheat said it was not worth it for 16 million and no draft picks when Revis was fully healthy this offseason!!!
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:47 am
The stupidity of some fans blows me away. Yeah, it’s a terrible idea to have the best corner in the game on our team! God forbid us fit our scheme around our talents. And I just love the “too expensive” argument. You idiots don’t even realize that we were millions upon millions under the cap. We always are! Revis didn’t keep us from signing anyone. We kept ourselves from signing other players. Was he 100% healthy – of course not. He said it himself throughout the year! However, this wasn’t supposed to be a one year thing. He has probably 5-7 more good years left in him. He’s in the prime of his career. If we can’t be a contender within that time frame, then that’s on us.
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:50 am
Defend Mark Dominik all you want… The bottom line is Mark Dominik should have never ever been GM of this franchise… He was a horrible GM… He was incompitant and this team was a total mess under his leadership…
Do you really think he should get a free pass just because Bruce and Chucky were also clueless and horrible GMs?
Mark Dominik is not an NFL GM and he never will be again… For good reason!!!
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:51 am
Thinking Dom was better than Allen and Gruden is laughable. Dom just continued the ineptitude and bad drafting that Allen and Gruden were so good at. That’s why the Glazers should’ve went outside the organization to hire a GM.
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:53 am
And who cares he was able to add Revis the dude was still recovering from knee surgery and played like crap the first half of the year…
Big freaking deal Joe!!!!
We got an injured player we didn’t need and gave up valuable draft picks we did need…
What a joke!!!
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:55 am
Apparently the Joes are going to take this apologistic and revisionistic view of the “Dom Years” to their graves. SMH
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:59 am
@Realist,
You are twisting facts (which you’ve been known to do a time or two). First of all, I would love to know why you don’t think Revis and Lovie couldn’t exist together. Name me one NFL coach Revis has had a problem with. All his coaches have loved him. It’s the front office he’s had issues with, but that’s more on his agent.
Bellicheat didn’t have to give up draft picks for Revis because the Bucs were so stupid to make it national news they were going to get rid of him. They had no leverage, and you aren’t going to swindle Bill into something when you have no leverage. He sure didn’t have a problem paying him $16M though, now did he? He couldn’t keep him this year because his deal ballooned up to I believe like $24M. Don’t think for a second he didn’t want him back, but there’s no way they can afford that with all their other players.
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:59 am
I hear you Tampa Tony you provide a lot of insight as to why this team had been in the dumps for such a long time. Yet in still many come here daily and place all their “competent” blame on Lovie/Licht for it as if they were suppose to perform a miracle the first season having been given the keys to this team. Peculiar.
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:02 am
I also love how people are claiming Revis played like crap. That’s pretty funny. And he wasn’t injured, he was recovering. Big difference that some of you don’t apparently understand.
Bottom line is this, we went 2-14 last year, and Revis was a HUGE part of New England winning a Super Bowl. Blast Dom all you want, but with those results, you go ahead and explain to me why getting rid of Revis was beneficial to us.
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:03 am
I rarely agree with Realist!!! but I’m with him on this one. Revis had made his money in this league because of his ability to take one man and eliminate him from an offensive game plan. Be it in the slot or on the outside. I can’t imagine Revis being pleased with zone covering for too long under any coaching staff.
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:11 am
@Nole,
I would agree with that, except Lovie wants to play man with his corners. Tillman played mostly man in Chicago FYI. This was nothing more than a salary dump, period. It had nothing to do with scheme or personality. Lovie thought he could get 3 starters for the price of one. He said so himself on numerous times. I’m okay with that, but my biggest problem is that we could have kept Revis and still got those scrubs, because we were that far under the cap. Believe what you want, but it was a money saving thing.
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:13 am
Revis made $12M with the Pats last year – not $16M Hawaiian. If Revis would have agreed to play for the Bucs for $12M (which was much closer to his actual market value) – then he would still be on this team. He didn’t want to be here – simple as that. And to make matters worse – he and his agent screwed any chance the Bucs had to trade him.
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:19 am
Wait a second, Joe. The general manager “buys high and sells low” on a player who is injured and doesn’t fit the scheme. The fans call him out on it and WE’RE the fools?????
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:21 am
Hey (hey)
Joe’s your life
I’m the one who takes you there
Hey (hey)
Joe’s your life
Your the one who cares
I’m your team, make it real
I’m your eyes when you must deal
Negative Nancy, do you feel
Sad but true
Darrelle Rivas, worst trade
Coach Schiavo has a tirade
Your our scapegoats, while we lose
Joe you know it’s sad but true
Sad but true
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:22 am
Nice cheap shot by some national talking head! Im sure Revis wasnt fond of playing here under Schiano. No one was! I cant recall a coach at the pro level being hated as much as Schiano. But the way this jack@$$ words it makes it sound like he hatexd it here simply because we’re the Bucs. Whatever company this loser writes for should be embarassed and even fired. If he misquoted a player from New England or Dallas he would never write again for a major site!
As for Revis, I was so mad when we let him go. All I heard was that Lovie dosent need a gopd corner or we can spend that money elsewhere…yea right. Why not keep Revis. I dont care if he plays man or zone, you have Darelle #$@&ing Revis! We just endured his season coming off knee surgery. Now we got him with no knee issues and under thirty! Why not trade Goldson and keep Revis. In hindsight that would make alot more sense.
I was and still am disappointed Lovie for lettin Revis go for nothing. We could have used a winner last year. But we instead get Verner, Johnson, Collins and Mccown. WTF was that? Three of those four are gone! It never ends.
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:23 am
Sorry Joe but at the risk of being called a “fool” it was and still is a stupid idea to give up that much in picks and money to acquire a CB when the rest of your team sucks out loud. Especially a CB coming off a major injury.
I would have felt differently about Revis if we had the type of defense that would have routinely put pressure on QB’s allowing more opportunities for Revis to impact the game. Also, if had been used like a D Sanders in the return game I might have felt differently but all in all I thought it was a really bad decision and evidence of Dominick not being in touch with what was needed for his team.
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:24 am
@Pickgrin,
You are right. It was a 2 year deal worth $32M, but he only got paid $12M in the first year. They had a $5M cap hit this year by cutting him, so I was under the impression he got that money.
Regardless, I don’t see how he screwed the Bucs. I’ve never heard any accusation about his agent leaking the fact that the Bucs were looking to trade him. Even if his agent did leak they were looking to give him a pay cut, I hate to tell you but that’s the job of an agent. That’s why they take 5-10% of a player’s salary – because they are supposed to get maximum value for their client. A good client stays completely out of it.
If you had to play a year under Schiano, then a new regime comes in and immediately asks you to take less money, can you really blame the guy for not wanting to take less money? How would you like it if your boss told you that even though we agreed to pay you this amount, we’ve decided we’re going to pay you less, and there’s nothing you can do about it? Revis isn’t from Florida, so it’s not like he had major ties to the state. If I had the choice of making $12M in Tampa with Josh McClown as my QB versus making $12M playing for Bellicheat and having Brady, I wouldn’t have to think about it too long. But apparently that’s just me and that makes me the bad guy.
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:31 am
@pickgrin
hawaiian buc and I were talking about what it would have taken for Belicheat to sign Revis this off-season, the jets signed him for 16 million and its known that if he tried to get the Pats to come up to that number!!!
@hawaiian
Revis was complaining about playing zone in September 2013 with the Bucs. And I know you heard or read that Lovie wants to play man to man, but there is a lot of zone in his base packages last year!!!!
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:33 am
@JabooBuc,
I think you are also forgetting that we were 7-9 the year before and showing a little promise. Freeman had just thrown for 4000 yards for the first time in franchise history, and we had the #1 run defense. Problem is, we had the last ranked pass defense. So how exactly is it a bad idea to bring in the best CB in the game to help the league’s worst pass defense? And don’t forget, Schiano stubbornly refused to play zone in year one. He put his CB’s on an island constantly, as he couldn’t help but to blitz every single play. So Revis was a perfect fit for our scheme. Of course as soon as Revis arrived, Schiano then had the genius idea of playing more zone, as well as putting Revis on the other team’s third receiver. Even with that, we still managed to be I believe #15 in pass defense, and Revis made the Pro Bowl. That’s one helluva improvement, and much better than 95% of the moves we’ve made since the Super Bowl. Yet somehow, someway, legions of fans like to twist facts to believe the problem was acquiring Revis in the first place. I just don’t get it.
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:36 am
@Realist,
Great minds must think alike. Read my post to JabboBuc. Schiano made the brilliant decision to use zone more once we acquired Revis. He played man to man with Myron Lewis, yet went zone with Darrelle Revis. I will never understand that. My thing is, I thought by getting rid of Schiano and bringing in a defensive coach with experience like Lovie, Lovie would know how to use him. Apparently I was very wrong. I still believe Lovie will get this turned around (assuming #3 pans out), but I will never believe in this move.
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:39 am
@Realist,
Yes, but the reason Lovie played zone (I would assume) is because he didn’t have the corners to play man. I don’t know if that’s true, but it’s the only logical explanation. One of my buddies played for him in Chicago, and he must have told me a million times that Lovie doesn’t want to play zone, and that Tillman was mostly used as a man to man corner. He was telling me that by watching us, Lovie didn’t trust his corners. Again, I don’t know if that’s true or not, but he would know much better than me.
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:43 am
This is a top 5 worst move by bucs getting Revis, the bucs were not a playoff team not even close, if dom had that money to throw around why didnt he go get alex boone or some other disgruntled OL, the bucs have been mismanaged and 2-14 is the result… getting revis for the bucs when they were winning 3 games is like owning a scooter with a tinted windshield, its still a scooter
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:48 am
Hawaiian Buc: not saying Revis was the reason for their demise. Just saying I thought it was a poor use of money and picks. He is and has been a great player but I thought it was a huge reach at the time with a team that had some major holes. Most notably we had a mental midget playing the most important position on the field.
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:48 am
If the Bucs had traded Revis – then his signed contract would have gone with him and he would have made $16M last year wherever he played instead of the $12M. It wasn’t really about $ – it was about not wanting to play for the Bucs – and wanting to play where he wanted to play. Obviously he made the right decision for himself because he wound up with a Super Bowl ring.
The problem was the deal that brought him here in the 1st place – regardless of what the Joes say.
A 1st and 3rd for a future HOFer in his prime years is not too much to pay if his compensation is to be at market value ($10-$12M).
Signing a Free Agent Revis to $16M per year without having to give up high draft picks would have been acceptable as well.
But giving up those picks AND overpaying his salary for years to come was simply a bad deal that Dominik never should have made – especially considering that Revis was coming off a major injury and there was absolutely a degree of uncertainty around how well and how quickly he would be able to recover.
It was a bad deal made out of desperation that Dom never should have made. Simple as that…
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:52 am
@Hawaiian
Revis in zone was to protect the knee. As I was told, they did not want him Jamming at the line, and doing comeback routes as it was a hard 180 degree stop and turns.
Also Coach Schiano did not want to Blitz as much as they did, But he used schemes to get the max production out of the defense with the roster he had.
July 23rd, 2015 at 11:00 am
“Dominik pulled off a heist getting Revis for a first-round pick and a third-round pick.”
I would beg to differ on that.
Draft picks should only be used on long term solutions. His salary made it clear his deal would only last a year. Meanwhile, we had no first rounder that year…and that pick could have been used to get offensive line, defensive end or quarterback.
It was a horrible move.
Especially considering how well the Dominick/Schiano team made draft picks.
July 23rd, 2015 at 11:00 am
Hawaiian Buc Says:
July 23rd, 2015 at 9:47 am
The stupidity of some fans blows me away. Yeah, it’s a terrible idea to have the best corner in the game on our team! God forbid us fit our scheme around our talents. And I just love the “too expensive” argument. You idiots don’t even realize that we were millions upon millions under the cap………
They say if you have to resort to name calling, you’ve already lost the argument. We WASTED time, money, and draft choices on a guy who was no where near 100% healthy. We mortgaged the future by giving up draft picks for a guy who didn’t even fit the predominant defensive scheme we played. We spent $16 million on one banged up piece of merchandise…and got what for it?
So go ahead and hurl insults….since you can’t change history or refute the arguments, I guess insulting those who objectively call this fiasco what it really was, will have to do for you. Have a nice day and Aloha.
July 23rd, 2015 at 11:09 am
On Schiano.
Imagine if the Freeman and MRSA things had not happened. Neither of them were his fault. Yet, they were at the root of causing him to lose his job.
Dominick forced Schiano to accept Freeman as a starting quarterback his first year. By all accounts, Freeman had potential at that point. After that season was over, they traded away the first rounder for Revis. Right after that trade, Freeman self destructed.
There wasn’t a QB worthy of a second rounder in that draft, so Schiano had to settle for Glennon is round three. A crap shoot that failed.
Between the Freeman thing and the MRSA, the locker room was completely distracted.
Add the availability of Lovie to that, and Schiano was doomed.
But I personally believe if he was given a full 5 years, Schiano would have turned this team into something great. He would have gotten his QB his third year. He would have filled out the offensive line. We would still have Zuttah at center.
Schiano got a bum deal, even if he did rub the refs and media the wrong way.
July 23rd, 2015 at 11:20 am
Man I just wanna say something it’s some smart a$$ highly ineligible people be on chit bro. Salute to you all whatever your standpoint may be. D@$!,I should’ve went to college.
July 23rd, 2015 at 11:27 am
Did joe just dismiss the regime that won a superbowl?
July 23rd, 2015 at 11:58 am
“We WASTED time, money, and draft choices on a guy who was no where near 100% healthy.”
——
Nobody is arguing that he was 100% healthy. Signing Revis to a one year deal is a terrible move. However, the idea at the signing was to have him here for multiple years. We had plenty of cap room even after the signing, so you can’t use that excuse. Also, not sure if you know, but the cap number is going to continue to increase each year. So while $16M was probably overpaying at the time, it won’t be in a couple years. He signed a 6 year deal. But yes, if you cut him after year one (essentially a rehab year), then it is a complete waste of time, money, and draft choices. We can at least agree there.
July 23rd, 2015 at 12:04 pm
@Bonzai,
Schiano’s problems went well beyond Freeman and MRSA, although those things certainly didn’t help and weren’t his fault. He was a complete bonehead when it came to some of his game adjustments and clock management. He was so unbelievebly predictable as to his blitzing on defense that other teams would just kill us with big plays. He lost us several games with poor coaching in his 7-9 year, which I agree was a promising year. However, after that year, he went all Chip Kelly and thought he was a bad arse. He let Bennett walk because Bennett had a personality. He treated men like young boys, and it wore on them. He refused to adapt or adjust his philosophies. He lost the respect of his players. He earned the right to be fired, as did Dominik. He was a terrible coach. He’s so terrible, he basically got a GM fired for interviewing him. That’s a special kind of awful!
July 23rd, 2015 at 12:25 pm
@Hawaiian Buc
If it was not for the “blitzing and 7-9 record” I swear it sounds like you are breaking down Lovie Smith!!!
July 23rd, 2015 at 1:32 pm
Hawaiian Buc…..let’s face it, the Bucs and Revis was a marriage doomed to fail from the start. He didn’t fit what we needed, he was no where near being healthy enough to really matter, and he cost money and draft picks that could have been much better spent and done a lot more for the team. I suspect even Schiano and the front office knew it would turn out that way…or else they would not have structured his contract to make it so easy to get rid of him! It was a failure of epic proportions! Revis was (is) an expensive luxury that we had no business buying. It might work in NE, where they have a championship calibre team that can afford an expensive luxury or two…but not on a team like the Bucs. We took our lumps…lets just move on!
July 23rd, 2015 at 1:37 pm
Like with Joe’s political beliefs, he is on the wrong side of history on this one. History will not remember that deal fondly, few, outside of the fringe will see this as anything but one of the worst trades in modern history based on OUTCOME. Joe could write books about it but he is still 100% wrong.
You don’t trade a first and fourth round pick on an elite corner if your team is going to win 4 games and start 0-8 and you are going to spend the next 5 years rebuilding. YOU. DON’T. DO. IT.
Joe is apparently unable or unwilling to recognize the boatload of FREE agent corners who are also getting Pro Bowl and All-Pro recognition, were linked to the Bucs that offseason (Gimes, Smith, DRC) but Dumbinik let go to other teams who ACCEPTED 1/3 OF THE CONTRACT REVIS TOOK WITHOUT REQUIRING ANY DRAFT PICK COMPENSATION.
How do you not understand that free meal at the second best steakhouse in the country that happens to be next door is a much smarter idea than paying full price at the most expensive one which requires a 300 dollar flight just to go see? Especially when you are the NFL equivalent of a hobo who eats out of the garbage bin 5 nights a week. How does that not comprehend? How?
But the best part is that Revis hated it here. So Dominik traded for a guy who hated playing for the Bucs, how that doesn’t reinforce the bad idea concept of this trade to Joe befuddles me.
Myopic. Exactly what that trade was. Thanks for using the word in this article, Joe.
July 23rd, 2015 at 2:50 pm
@Realist,
As much as I hate to admit it, unfortunately as of right now you’re right 🙁
July 23rd, 2015 at 2:52 pm
I don’t know why people keep saying Revis hated it here. Love how people just make stuff up. Did you guys talk to him? You wanna find me a quote where he said that?
July 23rd, 2015 at 3:00 pm
Hawaiian Buc Says:
July 23rd, 2015 at 2:50 pm
@Realist,
As much as I hate to admit it, unfortunately as of right now you’re right 🙁
you don’t have to voice it Hawaiian, I hear those same words all too often!!!!!
July 23rd, 2015 at 3:04 pm
We paid Revis, 16M! Bet he didn’t loathe the cash!
July 23rd, 2015 at 3:10 pm
Not even reading all the comments, just need to tell Joe, you are so wrong about Revis.
We didn’t pay for the best player at his position, we payed for a guy who USED TO BE the best player at his position, but was injured and rehabbing. He wasn’t healthy, and as I’ve said 1000 times, he didn’t want to be here!
No one is piling on the rock start for being on TV, they are piling on him for dumb moves, like this one.
July 23rd, 2015 at 3:21 pm
@Hawaiian, yes 16m wouldn’t be that much a few years down the line, but it was at the time.
As to him not wanting to be here, couldn’t you tell just from watching? His body language was plain as day. I’m sure all the losing played a factor as well, but he looked to me like a guy who came here to get paid, and didn’t want to be here. His mannerisms during games and interviews just didn’t seem like his heart was ever here.
July 23rd, 2015 at 3:42 pm
How did signing Revis work out for Belicheat?
July 23rd, 2015 at 3:49 pm
@Joe,
I’ll tell you how: Revis was actually healthy! They didn’t trade any draft picks. And, that team was ACTUALLY a cornerback away from a Superbowl.
We weren’t even a cornerback away from a .500 record!
No disrespect Joe(s), I love your site, but I completely disagree with you about Revis.
July 23rd, 2015 at 3:51 pm
No kidding. So whose fault was it the Bucs gave up on him and became impatient? Hint: It wasn’t Dominik. Guarantee you a hobbled Revis not only was better than 90 percent of the corners, he was better than Verner.
Just do not understand in any way, shape or form how trading for a future Hall of Famer in his prime age for two picks was bad. That’s like saying trading a first round pick for Myron Lewis would be a good move. smh
July 23rd, 2015 at 3:52 pm
Good for Revis. What a mess
July 23rd, 2015 at 4:01 pm
Absolute worse move to sign revis, the bucs were 20 players away from having a team that was playoff caliber as well as a coach, revis did nothing for the bucs except help them get mike evans and not get a top tier DL, horrible move by bucs to ink revis
July 23rd, 2015 at 4:02 pm
“That’s like saying trading a first round pick for Myron Lewis would be a good move.”
Hahaha, that made me laugh Joe. Only if they can throw EJ Biggers into the deal too!
The Revis deal didn’t ever seem like a long-term thing to me, I guess that’s why I was against it from the start. At even though age-wise he was still in his prime, health-wise he was not. And like i’ve said, he never seemed like he wanted to be here. Not even at the beginning of the season before we went on to lose 12 games.
July 23rd, 2015 at 4:04 pm
And like Dhusty Rhodes just said, we had tons of holes to fill, not just 1.
The fact that L&L failed to fill those holes with that money, does not make the Revis thing any better. I agree with others, once we did sign him, it was a very bad move to just dump him bc we gave up so much. But signing him in the first place was still a bad move.
July 23rd, 2015 at 4:43 pm
FCK Revis…the end.
I hope him and his “manager” can lead a happy life now that the laws have changed.
July 23rd, 2015 at 4:58 pm
Thought it was a bad signing, and still do. 16 mil/yr for one cornerback was untenable.
I would have kept the picks.
I still think Dom should be right near/at the top of the list. But, in no way do I expect the Joe’s to do it.
(Do both Joes like Dom equally? Or one more than the other?)
July 23rd, 2015 at 5:33 pm
What Warrior said! If Revis HATED earning…or should I say stealing 16 million dollars for the year…boo hoo hoo.
This is what makes people dislike pro athletes, especially when they are purely mercenary. Revis is just a hired gun with NO loyalty to any team.
Yeah I get that it’ America and we’re all “entitled” to earn as much money as we wish. Yeah you have the right to earn it and everybody else has the right to call out GREED when they see it. 16 million for one year means Revis was set for life for ONE YEAR’s effort. A millionaire for ONE year. Oh the misery!!!
July 23rd, 2015 at 5:47 pm
“But compared to the braintrust of Bruce Almighty and Chucky and their personnel moves, Dominik was the second coming of Packers yoda Ted Thompson.”
Oh no he didn’t, he didn’t just say that. That’s like saying, “Sure she was never easy on the eyes, but compared to Rosanne Barr, Rosie O’Donnell was Rachel Watson before Rachel Watson was Rachel Watson.” C’mon man!
“What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.” – Principal from Billy Madison
July 23rd, 2015 at 5:50 pm
Dom didn’t do a great job with this deal. There was Kennan Allen and Brent Grimes on the market at the time. If we signed one or both players, then the asking price would have drop from the Jets. Since the Jets was in cap trouble, that golden opportunity to lowering the asking price was lost. Maybe a 2nd round or 3rd round would have been the highest pick we lost instead.
The lost of the first round pick hurt us. Sheldon Richardson or Star playing next to McCoy. That’s a better DT setup than McCoy and Spencer. Both Sheldon and Star are important “young” players to their team.
July 23rd, 2015 at 6:25 pm
Joe you crack me up brother(s). I gotta give u credit, you stick to your guns.
Similar to how drafting a Johnny Football would have most definitely ended up on the top 20 worst moves list, so too should this Revis deal. You fall into the minority in believing in this deal as anything other than atrocious.
First and foremost, Revis wanted out of NYC and the owner wanted him out too in addition to him just blowing out his knew less than a 10 months prior and u have no idea what you’re getting (it just so happened to be a less that 100% Revis – which at 16 mil + draft picks, is a loss). So you still have all the leverage and yet you (screw over the Jets?) cough up a first and third rounder aka your future.
But you’re right, we were definitely in a position to go ALL IN on a corner for a team that sucked and wasn’t on the cusp (unlike the Pats) of the playoffs let alone a SB, on a defense that had unproven anything in the secondary, at MLB, or on the line… especially a year where there was so much depth at FA for corners!
I can keep going, but come-on Joes… it’s shortsighted (myopic) and lopsided trades like that and then even the few that Licht has made in his short time here that has put this team where its at… in the GUTTER.
July 23rd, 2015 at 7:35 pm
Lovie got rid of him because he felt like Revis wasn’t worth 16 million a year.But I would have kept him around for 3-4 seasons, just to get my money worth for making the trade.
July 23rd, 2015 at 8:51 pm
HaHa Dan!
July 23rd, 2015 at 10:40 pm
Everyone continues to forget were 7-9 the year before he got here, and were it not for a late season melt down, we looked to be potentially playoff bound. 95% of the people on the site thought we were close, and the biggest hole was what??? That’s right, Cornerback!! So we went out and got the best CB in the game, and one of the best ever. He took us from the bottom of the league in passing to about the middle. He made the Pro Bowl. And we got rid of him. The next year, he’s an All-Pro, and he helps NE win a championship. And you guys see the problem as we got him in the first place??? LOL, you guys are ridiculous! The only reason we were able to get him at all is because he got injured. He would have never been traded had he not been hurt.
The absolute worst argument anyone can make is that we weren’t 1 player away from a championship. So by that theory, we should only add great players when we are close??? I’m thoroughly confused by that logic. He was signed for 6 years! You don’t think we could maybe compete within 6 years??? It was a long term move people!! If you don’t understand that, then you are completely helpless. You are probably the same people that want us to get rid of Jackson, and trade McCoy for a first round pick.
July 23rd, 2015 at 11:00 pm
When you’re paying a cornerback more than your quarterback, and you’re coming off a 7-9 season, and you’re missing about 10 players from honestly “competing”… ya that’s not smart… especially when he doesn’t even fit in your scheme
… otherwise we should have gone and got Suh and/or DeMarco Murry. It’s called managing, not a shopping spree.
July 23rd, 2015 at 11:18 pm
Joe, you don’t get it? Let me spell it out for you the: Revis’ “prime” years would have been used on a rebuilding team. Can we agree on that? So it’s nice to get a guy in his 30’s who’s very good at what he does HOWEVER the problems is that you gave up the right to get a 23 year old who was also very good at what he does (Sheldon Richardson or Lotulelie) who would have grown with the program and cost a ton less to get him. While doing so you passed up 4 top corners who cost significantly less in salary and were arguably as good in Talib, Grimes and Smith.
Joe, you like to pick apart the worse arguments but try me on for size. Please tell me how we are better off today because that trade was done. And don’t go “well the Patriots…” because last I checked Tom Brady wasn’t walking through One Buc and Bill Belichick wasn’t coaching this team. Maybe I’m wrong and you can inform me otherwise.
July 23rd, 2015 at 11:23 pm
No one was talking “rebuilding” after the 2012 season. The Bucs were in the playoff hunt the previous season until they collapsed late in the year, in part due to a wretched secondary (which included Aqib Talib).
Interesting people are jumping up and down that the Bucs would have drafted Richardson (what crystal ball are you using?), a guy who is well on his way down the Tanard Jackson Path of Life.
July 24th, 2015 at 12:27 am
The 2012 Secondary didn’t have Talib but for only a handful of games. It would’ve probably been better to keep him instead of trading him like the ESPN analyst did.
Dom was horrible at drafting so the picks given up for Revis would’ve been bust here anyways. The trade looks bad mainly cus he was here for one year. When the draft picks would’ve been here for 4 years. If the Joes can’t see that I don’t know what to say. Can’t judge a draft until a few years same can be said for a trade. Especially when the Bucs got damaged goods
July 24th, 2015 at 8:28 am
Some people really are clueless. I guess we shouldn’t aquire elite players until we are competing for the Super Bowl according to you geniuses. Again, everyone conveniently forgets where we were the year before we got here. Freeman was looking good we were young, and our defense needed an elite CB more than any other position.
There’s a lot to blame Dominik for during his tenure. He made tons of mistakes, but this isn’t one of them. This mistake is on Lovie and Licht 100%. Think what you want, but the proof is in the results.
July 24th, 2015 at 9:49 am
Mistake my a$$,I’m perfectly fine with my two starting corners now. All this mistake bull chit. What’s done is done. Revis a Jet Hawaiian, seems like you have some deep inter woven demons over this one bro.
July 24th, 2015 at 10:01 am
Dominik robbed himself of a job, by being a medicore evaluator of talent and even worst team builder as a GM. Yes, he was able to sign Merc-For-Hire Revis, not in peak physical condition but coming of a nasty knee injury, then still had to turn around and look out on the street for reserves at the same position. This is the most perveted take I’ve read on the Revis deal in a long while , we know Dom is you’re guy Joe, but he got canned for a lot of really good reasons.
July 24th, 2015 at 11:52 am
Joe, we know for a fact that the Bucs that acquired Revis went 4-12 with him. Your idea was that we should consider that they were 7-9 the year before as justification is irrelevant. The team that Dominik constructed was not only NOT going to the Super Bowl with Revis, it wasn’t even capable of winning a stupid game for the first HALF of the season (0-8). All the while the same coaches who presumably signed off on acquiring Revis used the 16 million dollar corner largely in zone which is like buying a Lamborghini that you only drive around the retirement community parking lot going the speed limit. On one hand you have a Lamborghini, on the other hand you’re an idiot.
Acquiring Revis didn’t impact the Bucs at all when they had him, and if it did, it brought a 3 win team a 4th win. That 3 win team wouldve had an even higher 1st round pick that it could have used on a YOUNG PLAYER WHO WOULD HAVE MATCHED THE DIRECTION OF THE FRANCHISE. I would rather have Sheldon Richardson (who crystal ball be damned was taken at the Bucs actual pick) and his present 4 game suspension over the memory of a disgruntled mercenary who cost the franchise 16 million dollars to do little to nothing in the W-L column. Call me crazy though. You apparently know something the rest of us don’t.
July 24th, 2015 at 12:00 pm
Oh and maybe if we had Darelle Revis last year we win another game or two taking us completely out of the Jameis sweepstakes and instead in position to draft Vic Beasley at 8. Who wants to get a franchise QB who could potentially lead the team to the Super Bowl with the first pick overall when you could’ve had a disgruntled mercenary corner win you two more meaningless games and allow you to get a pass rusher from Clemson instead (they always work out well for us I hear).
Good call Joe, the franchise would be so much better off if we only played it the way you envisioned and just kept Revis.