Mike Glennon: No. 2
July 17th, 2015
Coveted backup
The main summer storyline – and Joe loathes that word in sports and is just warning you – is this trumped up, nonsense of a competition between “America’s Quarterback,” Bucs signal-caller Jameis Winston, and the quarterback of the past and quarterback of the future and maybe quarterback of the present, Mike Glennon.
Folks, there is no competition. No top pick in the NFL Draft since 2007, when JaMarcus Russell held out until the first week of the regular season, has sat out opening day of his rookie season. If Jameis is healthy, he’s starting.
But for those who believe a 2-14 team has the luxury of having a good backup quarterback, who you hope never sees the field of play (Joe does not subscribe to this theory), then the following will make your weekend. Marc Sessler of NFL.com believes Glennon is the second-best quarterback in the NFL.
Backup quarterback, that is.
I was surprised nobody swung a trade for Glennon this offseason. NFL Films senior producer Greg Cosell called him “far more advanced” than Robert Griffin III, saying “they shouldn’t even be in the same discussion.” Glennon played behind one of the NFL’s worst lines last year and it showed, but his 18 career starts include moments of genuine promise.
No more promise than the top pick in the draft. And depending on who you believe, Jameis is the best quarterback to enter the NFL since Andrew Luck.
Joe is puzzled that the Bucs didn’t peddle Glennon. Again, when a team has so many holes on the roster, a strong backup you never want to see play is a luxury the Bucs cannot afford.
July 17th, 2015 at 8:19 am
Tell that to Derek Anderson.
July 17th, 2015 at 8:26 am
“summer storyline” almost s bad as “America’s qb”….in fact, please start calling Glennon “Summer Storyline”
July 17th, 2015 at 8:40 am
The Bucs did not peddle Glennon because they must not be quite sure it is the right thing to do at this point. Who knows what they are thinking? It’s not like they have said a lot about their thoughts on MG. He could be here today and gone tomorrow depending on how Winston develops and plays well in the position. All this is close to revealing itself as to just what will happen.
July 17th, 2015 at 8:40 am
Think this through. Nobody on any team wants to see the backup on the field. But why is the backup on the payroll? Because this is football, not badminton. If Jameis gets hurt, what then? It would literally be insane to give up Glennon at this point. Not only does he have a couple years under his belt but is still under his rookie contract. And with the question marks on the o-line is it prudent to seek a cheaper option for #2?
July 17th, 2015 at 9:01 am
Unless this team is poised and ready to make a playoff run anytime soon. I see no need to keep MG on the roster. Especially when they might be able to get say atleast a 3rd rounder for him.
I don’t want this to happen, but if the team only wins 6 games this season while Glennon is riding the pine, then keeping him on the roster was pointless.
July 17th, 2015 at 9:02 am
Koetter obviously likes Glennon Joe. Get over it. Football is almost here.
July 17th, 2015 at 9:06 am
Why get rid of the best backup in the NFL?
July 17th, 2015 at 9:08 am
Glennon’s contract is cheap. He’s got some game experience under his belt, and he was mentored by Josh McCown (a good mentor/coach, even if his performance sucked). They know exactly what they’re getting with him. Who’s to say Winston doesn’t get hurt or miss some time due to his pending civil suit?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a huge Jameis fan, but let’s give him time to get settled in, and we can let Glennon move on to greener pastures next offseason.
July 17th, 2015 at 9:11 am
This is really starting to bother me. At what point does Glennon’s trade value become a deminishing return? The Bucs have a lot of needs and cannot afford a valuable asset sitting on the bench. Because MG8’s rookie contract will come to an end soon, at what point will another team say “I am not giving up a 3rd rd pick (or higher) for Glennon when I can instead sign him when he becomes a FA”.
July 17th, 2015 at 9:13 am
harry…I think some of them are already thinking that way.
July 17th, 2015 at 9:25 am
I’m all about some JW but many QBs don’t throw 10 TDs to 1 INT in their entire career. MG did it in his First 10 TD passes. Just sayin
July 17th, 2015 at 9:32 am
I say give credit where it’s due, MG played last year without an O-line and a OC. He still showed poise and you always keep the players that give you the best chance to win. So with the O-line still in question, you have to consider that if JW does go down whats next? To trade a known commodity for an iffy 3rd round pick is the same kind of thinking that got us to where we are now. If JW shows he can handle the NFL big boys this year then MG is fair game for next years draft.
July 17th, 2015 at 9:35 am
Why is Glennon on this team? Because if Lovie get 3 or 4 wins this year, then Lovie will not be with the team!!!!
And its funny that Super Winston fans don’t want to see a competition! If the Guy is good as they think then he will easily outshine MG8!!!
July 17th, 2015 at 9:44 am
Realist… as far as Winston outshining MG, I guess it depends on who’s doing the evaluating. If it’s Lovie Josh McCown is my starter Smith, then anything goes…
July 17th, 2015 at 9:46 am
You won’t see a trade until after the preseason. If Glennon plays well then the Bucs trade position is stronger if he lights it up then his value goes up. There’s no way he’s starting over Famous J plain and simple especially when the tank of the decade happened last year. Lovie is going to ride or die on the Winston bus. I hope he got it right and the Bucs tear it up so you Winston and Lovie haters can kick rocks and roll on up out of here!
July 17th, 2015 at 9:57 am
You have to have insurance for any possibility. One QB seems fairly threadbare. If you want MG traded asap, you are saying any backup is acceptable at the position or like RB’s backup QB’s are easily obtainable.
July 17th, 2015 at 9:58 am
87 All signs point to JW being better than MG based on College play. He was drafted First overall so h represents a Huge investment by everyone involved. He will play and most likely will beat MG out in TC and PreSeason. Outside of the Tampa area MG is viewed as a potential starter by most everyone I have spoken to. I have met guys that can only name GMC and MG on our team. I am not an MGMer but I am a sympathist. We need him to help JW along and to step in if JW gets hurt. Our team is better because of MG and no 3rd rounder that I see can help our team more
July 17th, 2015 at 10:01 am
They could also be waiting for a QB to go down in training camp or early in the season for more leverage.
July 17th, 2015 at 10:04 am
How do you people figure there is any real competition between a 3rd round pick and the 1st pick of the draft (arguably by some)??? Why because he’s started 18 Nfl games??? Whoopty doo doo! He’s only won 5 of them! That’s not even 33% !!! For the one who whines and pines about Lovies winning and losing and all the lack of playoff wins talk you throw around your little game applies to your choice of our qb Mike Glennon. Winston has been a winner at EVERY level of football he’s played in so what makes you think Glennon can really compete??? It boggles the mind!
July 17th, 2015 at 10:04 am
Realist, first, Winston can easily outshine Glennon, IMO. This season will show you it’s not even close. However, that is not at all the point. How can a team that is rebuilding, as you say the Bucs are, and has so many needs, afford to have such a valuable asset sitting on the bench (Glennon) when they can instead trade him for a starter/draft pick (safety, DE, MLB, OG, etc)? That is bad asset management.
’87, I agree with you. I think L&L got greedy and wanted too much for Glennon, and thereby lost a great opportunity (again…). Time will tell. But if Glennon sticks around until he is a FA, it will suck we got nothing for him. Another wasted opportunity by L&L.
July 17th, 2015 at 10:05 am
IF Winston gets hurt, and Glennon has been traded, who is available that can give us the best chance to win? Glennon is the best plan B out there. We get rid of him for a draft pick, we create another hole that will be filled with an unknown factor. And, what will we be using that draft pick on? Another back up qb? Are we going to sign a FA that’s not as good as Glennon? We need to keep Glennon until we know what we have on the O-line, at least. Winston may be a good QB. Maybe he’ll prove he’s one of the best. But the best QB on the planet can’t complete passes on a busted leg, or with a concussion. But, if we have a solid o-line, then we can afford a sub-par backup. Until we know what we have up front, Glennon is a good insurance policy.
July 17th, 2015 at 10:25 am
37, that is not the case. It’s a matter of necessity. Who is our starting right OG? The Bucs STARTING safety will be another team’s cast offs or backup. Same with our STARTING MLB. The Bucs have a lot of STARTERs who would be nothing more than backups for other teams. How can we afford to have a QB sitting on the bench that might start for another team and the Bucs could get something of value that would fix one of these holes?!
July 17th, 2015 at 10:37 am
Glennon is a valuable asset. If Winston has any injury and Glennon has to play, at least we have a chance of still pulling out a victory. Seriously, I think if the OL can give him a pocket that does not collapse within a few seconds, that Glennon can get the job done with a real OC and real offensive playbook and scheme. Winston is the man and is a better vocal leader as well as having a better skill set, however Glennon certainly has value and a place on this roster. I do get the fact that he could have been dealt for a trade due to other holes, but the QB position is the most critical and Glennon is a nice insurance plan to Winston.
July 17th, 2015 at 10:47 am
DavidbigBucsFan Says:
“Winston has been a winner at EVERY level of football he’s played in so what makes you think Glennon can really compete??? It boggles the mind!”
First off, I’m a Nole, but a Bucs fan first, so let’s get that out of the way.
This team has never had a true franchise QB. So it makes perfectly clear sense to me that some fans are still a little leery on Jameis Winston becoming one. Our track record with QB’s speaks for itself. But seeing is believing, and pre-season is right around the corner. Should be fun to watch even pre-season games with our shiny new toy. Fans will come around tyo Jameis sooner rather than later imo.
July 17th, 2015 at 10:51 am
rayjay..but if they only win 5-6 games this season with MG on the bench.
What was the point of keeping him on the roster?
I’m just looking down the road and trying to go negative for a bit. Sure no one can predict the future, but I’d rather it be you or me backing up Jameis if that’s the case. Because when he becomes a FA we get nothing at all for him.
July 17th, 2015 at 11:00 am
Harry Says:
“How can a team … afford to have such a valuable asset sitting on the bench (Glennon) when they can instead trade him for a starter/draft pick (safety, DE, MLB, OG, etc)?”
“I think L&L got greedy and wanted too much for Glennon, and thereby lost a great opportunity (again…). ”
So, you name a high trade price then criticize L&L for not getting it. Trades require willing partners, not just a vague suggestion on a fan site. Do you think it likely that we could get a stud starter at any of those positions for Glennon? Do you have inside information on what offers the Bucs got for him? You may be able to swing a trade like that in your FF league, but it isn’t likely in the NFL where trades are a rare occurrence.
“Who is our starting right OG? The Bucs STARTING safety will be another team’s cast offs or backup. Same with our STARTING MLB.”
You mean the LB that had the most picks last year? ROG will be one of our draft picks. And how do you even know who our starting safeties will be? If we trade Glennon, won’t the player we get be a “cast-off” from another team? How do you evaluate players, by their draft rating? If so, most of the positions you reference are 2nd rounders. Some pundit’s rankings? If so, who?
July 17th, 2015 at 11:01 am
@87
I get your point but between you or me backing up Jameis, I have to vote for myself. Sorry, but I want to be able to afford one of those high priced bottles of Johnny Walker! Hehe. I would need some strong spirits too if I ever had to play because I would be Tampa’s public enemy #1 since the closest I was in my playing days to touching the football every snap was Center in Junior High. LOL
July 17th, 2015 at 11:01 am
gatotrBuc….okay no 3rd rounder. How about a quality starting guard or a DE?
July 17th, 2015 at 11:02 am
Buc1987 Says:
“but if they only win 5-6 games this season with MG on the bench.
What was the point of keeping him on the roster?”
And if we start the season strong with 5-6 wins and then Winston gets hurt, where are we then?
Our division was won with a backup QB last year.
July 17th, 2015 at 11:03 am
Buc1987 I get your point because how many teams have really ever done much with a b/u qb (well of course New England did)? Once that starter goes down the season is pretty much a wrap. They’re for a reason. If Winston goes down then do people really think we’ll go much further with Glennon? I’d rather get a solid pick for him now since the wins won’t pule up with him in there.
July 17th, 2015 at 11:08 am
Oops that’s wins won’t pile up.
July 17th, 2015 at 11:33 am
DavidbigBucsFan Says:
“how many teams have really ever done much with a b/u qb (well of course New England did)? Once that starter goes down the season is pretty much a wrap.”
Carolina. Last year. Our division.
Didn’t I already mention that once or twice?
July 17th, 2015 at 11:59 am
NaplesBucFan….thats your justification for keeping Glennon. Our division was won at 7-9. Not some 10-6 team. I’m sorry I don’t see your point.
July 17th, 2015 at 11:59 am
I a have to agree with 87. Glennon would be a good backup on a contender. The Bucs need draft picks more than Glennon. I do think the Bucs are waiting for a QB to get hurt so we get more back in a trade. Of course, Lovie might keep him in case Winston gets hurt. An extra win or two from Glennon might save Lovies job.
July 17th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Wait. Who offered us a third that we turned down? It seems unlikely that we could get a third. That would be best best case scenario. More likely a fourth or fifth, depending on the team and their quarterback situation. But regardless, how will a mid round pick help us this year? Or will his value drop between now and next offseason? I just dont see how trading him will help us this year.
July 17th, 2015 at 12:10 pm
I do not understand the lack of love for Glennon. I’m not in the MGM and have never been a member, but there is some reasonable middle ground when discussing Glennon.
First his NFL record. To compare that to Jameis college record is beyond ABSURD! Jameis played his Freshman year on a team with the very best talent in the entire nation. Bama and OSU fans could argue that point so OK one of the top three talented teams in the nation. He had almost as good a team behind him last year with multiple NFL draft picks.
Glennon has played on a team TOTALLY in disarray. From the head coach to MRSA to sleep JFRO…Glennon has never really had a chance. This year should be different. Let’s see what happens.
And for you Debbie Downers who keep saying we can’t afford a quality backup because we’re not a contender I say BS! No not for the Super Bowl but our division sucks and we could easily be a contender to win ten and make the playoffs. If Fameis goes down for a few games who better to step in than a QB familiar with the system and two years of experience. Glennon is cheap. Why bring in some has been, marginal QB just because he has experience? Why start a raw unknown rookie and face certain defeat?
The trade deadline isn’t until late October. Glennons stock is rising not falling!!!
Despite the Glennon haters here the league does NOT agree with you. Somebody loses a starting QB before October and Glennon’s stock just moves up that much more.
With all due respect to Joe and the posters here I trust L&L more on this issue.
July 17th, 2015 at 12:21 pm
Buc1987 Says:
“Our division was won at 7-9. Not some 10-6 team. I’m sorry I don’t see your point.”
That IS the point. That was OUR DIVISION, not some random example. A competent backup QB can (and last year DID) make the difference OUR division championship, where WE compete for a playoff spot.
Your argument basically goes like this: “We’re going to lose anyway, so let’s trade away our depth to fill some short-term holes.” Sorry, I just don’t accept losing as a starting premise. I think 6 wins is our floor, not our ceiling as some here do.
You can talk about theoretical trades if you want, but is is a about as useful as saying “if I could just buy ABC stock at a price I name, I would be rich!” Until an ACTUAL trade materializes, it is just pure speculation and wishful thinking.
I get the point about getting nothing if Glennon becomes a FA, but he’s under contract through next year, not this year.
July 17th, 2015 at 12:29 pm
NaplesBucsfan
Great points!
July 17th, 2015 at 12:36 pm
America’s #2 quarterback!
July 17th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
StPeteBucsFan… I agree with your take on MG, yet I also see the logic in getting something for him if the Bucs plan on shopping him out for needed help for his supposed trade value. Or maybe the Bucs sign him to another contract after this season. He may also have the desire to be a starter elsewhere, though many here believe he lacks that talent.
July 17th, 2015 at 12:43 pm
I thought this was the last year Glennon was under contract also.
July 17th, 2015 at 12:44 pm
Make that America’s #2 #2 quarterback!
July 17th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
Naples…so apparently you’re dreaming of playoff aspirations, after that 2-14 season. I’m not making an argument. I’m stating my opinion. I don’t see this team as a playoff contender this season. Some of you do, just not me.
So it’s not an argument, it’s a difference of opinion of how well our team will play this season. I don’t have crystal ball and neither do you. All I can do is speculate, jus like everyone else on here.
It’s fine and dandy with me if you think a 2-14 team is in contention to win the division and make the playoffs. I’m not there yet. They have yet to prove anything to any of us yet.
So you make your prediction and I’ll make mine. Mine : 6 wins won’t get you into the playoffs….trade Glennon.
July 17th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
I’ll also add that, I’ll of course be just as happy with a .500 season or a wining record. I’m not ready to make that leap just yet.
But hey I’m typically an optimistic Bucs fan, I’m just tempering my excitement this season. I need to see the product before I buy it. Apparently to some of you guys you’re buying the product sight unseen.
July 17th, 2015 at 1:44 pm
Chances are Winston (if he starts) will be riding the pine or rehabbing a broken leg/arm/hand/shoulder/(insert whatever body part you want!) by mid-October. When your offensive line is as bad as ours….and your (presumed) starting QB is a green rookie….why would you get rid of an experienced backup QB who has shown he can win games? That’s just stupid, Joe!
July 17th, 2015 at 1:47 pm
87
Certainly a logical opinion. I’m just from the Chris Thomas school of the NFL means No Freaking Logic.
There is no reason we can’t duplicate KC’s turnaround or that of many other teams.
I confess that part of my optimism is based on our level of competition. I’m simply not convinced that N.O. or Carolina are actually that good. Solid maybe but certainly not unbeatable. it’s Atlanta that scares me. They are like us and perhaps poised to turn it around this year.
July 17th, 2015 at 2:10 pm
NaplesBucFan Says:
Carolina. Last year. Our division.
Didn’t I already mention that once or twice?
Color me wrong but didn’t Cam come back the last part of the season? They didn’t win it with the back up but he did help. Trust Newton is the reason plus that defense helped out even more. That is not the norm.
July 17th, 2015 at 2:16 pm
Jeagan1999…because like me Joe’s opinion is this team is not even close to a playoff contender so why bother keeping Glennon in case Jameis goes down? If we all had a crystal ball it would be much easier to determine whether they should keep him or not.
So it really does come down to everyone’s opinion on whether or not this 2-14 team from last year can make a playoff run. Some that don’t think so have a valid point and say trade Glennon. The ones that do think they have a shot at the playoffs have a valid point as well.
Okay I’ll stop repeating myself now. I have actual work to do today anyways. I’m just being lazy in getting done. I should not even be on this site right now.
Be back tonight though.
July 17th, 2015 at 3:01 pm
Buc1987….of course this team is not “close” to the playoffs. Anyone who thinks they are needs to be drug tested! But that’s not the point. The Bucs are not going to go from 2-14 to playoff contention in one season. We need a MAJOR talent upgrade on this team….at almost every position. So If we trade Glennon, then how does that help upgrade our talent? Is there any FA QB or likely FA QB that is any better than MG8? That knows our system better? That has proven he can win more? If we traded him, what would we get for him? Would a 3rd or 4th round pick next year help us at all this year? This team needs to learn how to win again. They need to show progress this year….4-12, 5-11, (6-10 would be awesome, all things considered!). History shows us that most rookie QBs struggle…and with our offensive line, injuries are also a real concern. Getting rid of Glennon does nothing to help make this team better this season. Another 2-14 season would be a disaster and likely get the current coaching staff fired(although maybe that’s what some fans want)….which means a new system and new coach next year….and starting all over again! We need the best players at all positions this season! If there’s no one out there better than Glennon, than why get rid of him? Doesn’t make sense.
July 17th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
DavidbigBucsFan Says:
July 17th, 2015 at 11:03 am
Buc1987 I get your point because how many teams have really ever done much with a b/u qb (well of course New England did)? Once that starter goes down the season is pretty much a wrap. They’re for a reason. If Winston goes down then do people really think we’ll go much further with Glennon? I’d rather get a solid pick for him now since the wins won’t pule up with him in there.
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Some of you guys need to really learn your history. Having a good backup can save or even make your season. Look at the 72 dolphins. Greise got hurt midway through the season and the back up had to win many of the games before going into the superbowl undefeated. Jeff Hostetler came in for an injured Phil Simms mid way through the season and actually won the superbowl. Our very own Doug Williams was a backup in washington when he won the superbowl. Trent Dilfer was also a backup before taken over in the ravens superbowl season. Love him or hate him, Tebow actually made Denver’s season a few years back. I am all Winston, but I do not see the rush to trade Glennon. And many of you know how i feel about glennon (aka F#$& Glennon!!!!).
July 17th, 2015 at 3:16 pm
Its surprising that Joe and some commenters can’t see the logic in having Glennon be on the team this year. He was probably only worth a 4th round pick to most teams. Maybe a 3rd at best. 3rd and 4th round picks are pretty iffy as far as being starters -especially in their rookie year.
-Glennon is a known commodity.
– Koetter likes Glennon and its his call. I am happy to defer to Koeter’s wishes for this offense.
– It would be pretty foolish to head into any season with a rookie (regardless of draft position) as your starting QB and no decent back up at the QB position.
– The quality of available back up QBs to be had right now and even back in April is worse than abysmal.
– Cleveland paid Josh McCown $5.5M this year. We paid him $5.25M last year. Any decent back up QB in the NFL makes $3-5M. Mike Glennon makes $800k this year and $900k next year. The Bucs save $8-10M in cap space over the next 2 years if they keep MG8 for both years left on his contract. That $8-10M can be used in free agency to purchase a high end proven NFL starter at a position of need – which is a much better bet than a 3rd or 4th round draft pick…
July 17th, 2015 at 4:16 pm
I don’t see why people are so high on Mike Glennon, he has the potential to be an average QB, we can’t compete in the NFL with an average QB. It’s time for us to get an above average QB with the potential to be an elite QB. It don’t make sense to settle for an average QB after getting rid of Josh Freeman another average QB.
July 17th, 2015 at 4:39 pm
“LakelandBuc Says:
July 17th, 2015 at 4:16 pm
I don’t see why people are so high on Mike Glennon, he has the potential to be an average QB, we can’t compete in the NFL with an average QB. It’s time for us to get an above average QB with the potential to be an elite QB. It don’t make sense to settle for an average QB after getting rid of Josh Freeman another average QB.”
My sentiments exactly. But hey tiny tim I got a couple big name backups. What about Brett Favre? Don “majik man” Majkowski was the starter. And Kurt Warner, Trent Green was the starter. But I believe he can be an average backup but there is a reason why he was drafted in the 3rd round. He’s average. I like the guy, just not enamored with his play.
July 17th, 2015 at 5:10 pm
The only reason I’d keep Glennon right now is to push Winston to “earn the job”. Maybe if we had an older QB that was already settling to be a backup, he wouldn’t push Jameis as hard. Having Glennon around will make Jameis think the jobs not his yet. No draft pick is a sure thing. Even if we traded Glennon for a first rounder, that doesn’t mean the pick will pan out. Trades are still made for draft picks though. If I was trading Mike, I’d try for a starting O lineman instead of a pick, but swaps like that usually don’t happen in the NFL. I’d wait for a contender to have their QB go down with an injury to make a deal. That’s how we will get Max value.
July 17th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
Some of you guys are delusional thinking this is a playoff team right now….I’ve read all your nonsense and reasoning for not trading him.
A good back up can save your season…REALLY? The 6-10 season they are about have anyways.
Damn some of you need to be brought back down to Realityville. Where’s Buc Realist when you need him?
Did you forget that the team was 2-14 last season? Oh but we were on the verge right?
McCown was our strarter last season, he went down. Did Glennon save our season?
July 17th, 2015 at 7:06 pm
You are missing the point. We have our Franchise QB in Winston, Glennon is the back up. Its clear Winston is now the future but holding on to Glennon is more valueable to us than getting a 3rd or 4th round pick. Money reasons as well as him being the perfect guy to not lose games for you if called in, which is what you want in a back up. I think hes the perfect guy to keep Winston pushing to get better every day. I’ll take that over a 3rd or 4th round pick any day. Lets stop fixing holes by creating more holes. I think Licht and Lovie want a 2nd and wont settle for less. I like that approach.
July 17th, 2015 at 7:11 pm
McCown was our strarter last season, he went down. Did Glennon save our season?
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Irrelevant question. Nobody could of saved our season last year.
July 17th, 2015 at 8:31 pm
After reading the ranked list of backup QB’s it does seem Glennon may be up there somewhat higher than is reasonable. I realize it is one person’s opinion, but if MG is ranked that high by many that can only be a plus in potential trade value.
July 17th, 2015 at 8:33 pm
Couch….apparently Glennon could potentially save our season this year should Winston go down to some fans…..to me that’s ONLY if we are a playoff contender.
What in the hell about 2-14 makes people think we are in contention for anything but more of the same or perhaps a hair better. The easy schedule? The rookie QB? The great o-line? The lack of a quality RB? The lack of a decent pass rush?
Sorry to go all negative Nancy here, but take a step back for a second. I’m not saying trade Glennon now. I’m saying it might be a good idea in the middle of the season though when some desperate team really needs a qb due to injury that actually is in the hunt for the playoffs. Other then that he walks and we get nothing for him at all. Then some fans will whine about that too. Getting nothing for him.
July 17th, 2015 at 10:33 pm
@Jeagan
Sorry gotta raise the hyperbole flag on this one…
We need a MAJOR talent upgrade on this team….at almost every position.
That’s just a gross overstatement. LVD and GMC are two of the very best players in the league at their positions. That’s 20% of the D with a top 3 player.
We just got our franchise QB which leads me to his biggest supporter 87 who has gone all soft on us after pimping Fameis for months. Now I’m on the bandwagon and he’s losing his nerve.
What in the hell about 2-14 makes people think we are in contention for anything but more of the same or perhaps a hair better. The easy schedule? The rookie QB? The great o-line? The lack of a quality RB? The lack of a decent pass rush?
Yes the schedule is EASY!!! We play in the worst division in the NFL! You told us for months that the rookie QB was the next coming of Andrew Luck. The O line doesn’t have to be great just adequate. We have a stable of decent RB’s.
Agree our pass rush needs to improve.
But here is my best argument.
KC goes from 2-14 to 11-5 in one year. Is Alex Smith that much better than Fameis?
Indy goes from 2-14 to 11-5 in one year. Is Luck THAT much better than Fameis?
I’m only calling for a ten win season not 11 and I do not expect us to advance in the playoffs…this year!
July 17th, 2015 at 11:22 pm
@StPeteBucsFan….don’t think my statement was an exaggeration. GMC and LVD are both awesome….but they are 18% of the defense. Football is a team sport and we are only as good as our weakest links. Unfortunately we have many weak links….coaching and game planning were also suspect last year.
There are lots of teams with a few great players on them….but the ones who find a way to win consistently have lots of good players. With the salary cap in place, any team can only afford a couple of “marquee” players….it’s the other starters and the role players that make the difference.
As for Jameis…he’s a rookie. Rookie QBs typically make lots of mistakes, and often look lost, confused and sometimes even inept! Is Alex Smith that much better than Jameis…at the moment, absolutely…ask me again in year 3 and the answer might change. Is Andrew Luck that much better than Jameis DOUBLE ABSOLUTELY….but give Winston a year or two, and he might close the gap.
I’d love to see our Bucs win 8 or 10 games this year….but I just don’t see it. Too many “?’s” this season.
July 17th, 2015 at 11:30 pm
Jeagan
All excellent points. We’ll have to wait till November or December to see if the optimists, or pessimists or the moderates are correct.
July 18th, 2015 at 2:45 am
All you Glennon Haters (Lead by Joes and the has been golfer) will see your beloved Lovey get fired this year after another dismal failure .
July 18th, 2015 at 9:07 am
@NaplesBucFan Says:
“…So, you name a high trade price then criticize L&L for not getting it. Trades require willing partners, not just a vague suggestion on a fan site. Do you think it likely that we could get a stud starter at any of those positions for Glennon?”
“…You mean the LB that had the most picks last year? ROG will be one of our draft picks. And how do you even know who our starting safeties will be? If we trade Glennon, won’t the player we get be a “cast-off” from another team?”
I don’t see where I “named a high trade price”, so help me out with what I am missing. But I will clarify for a FF fan like yourself. I think the Bucs can get a 3rd rd pick for Glennon (maybe a 2nd rd, but that is wishful thinking). Ideally, a team should be able to get a starter in rds 1 thru 3. And you used the term “stud”, not me; I simply want a decent starter at one of the positions I mentioned.
How about the LB who was so highly thought of by 31 teams that he was out of the NFL for a year. Or the safety that was so highly thought of by the team (Houston) that drafted him in the 2nd rd that they cut him. Or maybe the ROG who had so much promise last year that whenever the Bucs put him into a game, they quickly yanked him; or possibly the 2nd rd ROG they reached for in the draft this year who can’t beat out the aforementioned ROG. Don’t get me wrong, they all have potential. But Glennon would better serve the team’s needs by being traded than sitting on the bench
July 18th, 2015 at 8:18 pm
The Buccaneers did not trade him because the price was not right. I would not take anything less than a third round draft pick or a quality plug and play starter. Glennon is good for the franchise because he is cheap. He is good for Jameis because of his experience. He is good for L&L because not only if Jameis gets injured, what if he gets suspended for some off the field event? The article which picks Glennon as the #2 back-up QB also stated there were 56 QB who started in the NFL last year. That is a hell of a lot of back-up QB getting playing time. McClown was listed 20th and Johnny Football 31st. J.K. on McClowm, even though he is a career back-up QB.