Doom Prediction For Jameis Winston’s First Eight
July 29th, 2015
A former Buccaneer has a warning for Bucs fans
Some ferocious football negativity was hurled at Jameis Winston this week.
Joe just doesn’t get it.
Former Bucs guard Ian Beckles (1990-1996) is typically down on rookies. The WDAE-AM 620 co-host thinks 90+ percent of rookies will be ugly players for a while until they figure out the real-man’s game, but he’s especially down on what the immediate future holds for Jameis Winston, America’s Quarterback.
“Jameis Winston is going to be terrible to start off with. I’m telling you. The first eight games of his career, Jameis Winston is going to be terrible. Now I wouldn’t tell him that in his face, but that’s a fact,” Beckles said over the airwaves of Tampa Bay’s No. 1 sports radio station.
“He’s not going to see reads, ok. He’s not going to make any quick reads. He’s going to hold on to the football. He’s going to get hit. He’s going to make bonehead mistakes. He did it in college. There’s no way you go up a level. You know what, from the SEC or the ACC to the NFL is not one level; it’s more than one level. I don’t know what you want to call it, but that step is immense.”
Beckles said Logan Mankins (Tom Brady) and Evan Smith (Aaron Rodgers) will know what they’re seeing from Jameis in the huddle when he struggles. They’ll need to see a tough rookie gutting through the learning curve, Beckles said, or the alternative is Jameis could be washed up after eight games.
Joe thinks this awfully harsh. Yes, Jameis will have ups and down. Absolutely. But let’s look at three somewhat immobile quarterbacks as rookies. Take Joe Flacco. He didn’t have a special running game in 2008, and he was solid for a rookie in his first eight games. Andy Dalton, in 2011, was a strong rookie out of the gate and made the Pro Bowl that year. Both led their teams to the playoffs.
And take Mike Glennon, he was 3-5 in his first eight starts, with 13 touchdowns and four interceptions, before he closed out the season looking like a career backup.
There’s just no hard evidence that Jameis is going to be “terrible” like Beckles claims. And Jameis has just as much talent as those guys. But Joe will say that Jameis is sure to look darn ugly, though, if the offensive line doesn’t prove to be almost fixed. Dirk Koetter isn’t a miracle worker.
You can hear Beckles’ full rant below, via the 620wdae.com audio player.
July 29th, 2015 at 11:06 am
But I thought James could walk on water at least that is the impression I got reading here about Americas quarterback
July 29th, 2015 at 11:06 am
Beckles is entitled to his opinions which are consistently negative. I do not view Beckles as an authority though on all things football though just because he was a marginal starter from a weak college program. Besides, none of us know what will happen the first 8 games which is why we are going to watch.
July 29th, 2015 at 11:09 am
If he is willing to say it on the air he should say it to his face.
Heckles makes a lot of going off being negative about the bucs. I can’t believe people take him seriously. My prediction is Winston takes the league by storm. He will have highs and lows, but will win games.
July 29th, 2015 at 11:13 am
I dont know. Jameis his freshman year against a decent team had like one incompletion and 4 TDs. He really didnt struggle until last year when he had less talent. I remember Beckles struggling thou. Lol
July 29th, 2015 at 11:20 am
I don’t think his comments were harsh I just think he’s preparing the fans for reality and the fact that we shouldn’t expect a rookie qb to come in and all of a sudden turn this team into a true playoff contender. It’s going to take time for him to go thru the bumps and bruises and learning process the same as all other rookies.
July 29th, 2015 at 11:22 am
Lol who uses the word “fact” about a prediction like that. He was going through his reads like a seasoned pro his first start against Pitt. In general his strengths are all pro-related skills like in game iq/reading n reacting to defenses/quick decisions/accuracy.
I cannot freaking wait man for the season or even pre season to start
July 29th, 2015 at 11:30 am
Joe Flacco’s first 8 games
Td’s 5 Int’s 7
avg 183 yards
July 29th, 2015 at 11:34 am
It is a fact Winston will struggle. All Rookies do. The question is how much will he struggle?…
July 29th, 2015 at 11:40 am
Well said rayjay.
July 29th, 2015 at 11:40 am
Don’t start with the excuse already about the line. Same problem Glennon and McClown had last year. Along with no running game. He may be right or wrong. He is running his mouth just like everyone else. Joe, the fans etc. Everyone has a prediction. We will see who gets to pat them-self on the back later.
July 29th, 2015 at 11:41 am
“You can hear Beckles’ full rant below, via the 620wdae.com audio player.”
Why bother after reading what he said?
July 29th, 2015 at 11:44 am
Ian Beckles still think Gerald McCoy is a bust?
July 29th, 2015 at 11:47 am
The Bucs as a team will be better, that’s all I’m saying right now.
July 29th, 2015 at 11:51 am
Reposted to the active thread:
Glennon started five games last year, and threw for 1296 yards, 9 TDs and 6 INTs.
Extrapolated over a whole 16 game season, that works out to 4147 yds, 29TDs and 19 INTs. In 18+ games in his career, he now has 29 TDs and only 15 INTs.
Those should be easy targets for “America’s Quarterback” to surpass. After all he was the leader of the best team in college football that had 29 players drafted by the NFL over the last 3 years, whose backup QB was able to beat a ranked team in his absence.
tickrdr
July 29th, 2015 at 11:53 am
Also reposted to the active thread:
The last four QB’s taken number one overall all started from day one.
Luck, Newton, Bradford, Stafford.
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In their first 18 games:
Luck: 26 TDs and 19 INTs
Newton: 23 TDs and 19 INTs
Bradford: 19 TDs and 15 INTs
Stafford: 28 TDs and 22 INTs
Glennon: 29 TDs and 15 INTs
tickrdr
July 29th, 2015 at 11:53 am
“Now I wouldn’t tell him that in his face, but that’s a fact…”
Hey, Ian, that’s showing a lot of guts to criticize someone on the air, but not face-to-face. Besides, it can’t be a fact because it hasn’t happened.
July 29th, 2015 at 11:55 am
It’s not how you start, it’s how you finish.
July 29th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
“Gun slinging” will make Jameis humble in the NFL. Let’s see his decision making in preseason. This will show us how ready he is for a whole new brand of football.
Go Bucs!
July 29th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Haters tend to do just that hate. The great thing is we about to see now aren’t we.
July 29th, 2015 at 12:08 pm
td2015 he’ll never relinquish his mentality. Y’all are about to see this young does not believe in backing down. Will he throw picks hell yea he’ll throw some but trust me it will not deter his mentality. He was born to pull the trigger bro… And he gone pull that b@$!#.
July 29th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
How is it hating to say a rookie will struggle? Do you think Winston will be an all pro from game 1?
July 29th, 2015 at 12:27 pm
Easy to be negative about Lovie, this team, their drafting, player development or scheme. But to be negative about a player who has yet to take pro snaps just comes off as bad form.
I’m cautiously optimistic when it comes to Jameis.
July 29th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
It’s easy to predict that any QB would struggle with the Bucs past offenses…..hopefully with Koetter, things will change.
There’s nothing wrong with lowering some expectations for Winston….and then, if he outperforms….it will be a pleasant surprise.
I would really like to know what the expert on Buc QBs thinks….Shaun King
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 9 points.”
July 29th, 2015 at 12:37 pm
Lol. Are you serious?? Watch how fast the bucs start this year
July 29th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
“There’s just no hard evidence that Jameis is going to be “terrible” like Beckles claims.” – Joe
I withdrew my support of Ian Beckles years ago. I won’t list the numerous reasons here.
HOWEVER, in this instance, he may well be right.
No one is perfect coming out of college. EVER. They all need time to adjust. Jameis Winston is no different.
Add to that the bad offensive line (and the new additions that also have to adjust) and I don’t see much chance of coming out of the gates great.
July 29th, 2015 at 12:51 pm
This isn’t about hating on anyone. This is about considering all things and being realistic.
July 29th, 2015 at 1:11 pm
I just find it peculiar,I don’t recall folks predicting Luck would struggle. Hell Cam Newton set rookie passing record. Think what you wanna,I tend to lean towards my guy kickin straight a$$ straight out the gate.
July 29th, 2015 at 1:15 pm
While I don’t expect miracles I also don’t see the unmitigated disaster Beckles is predicting. He will struggle like all rookie QB’s but I expect to see highlights as well.
There is good reason I can’t listen to DAE 12:00 – 3:00. Ian has morphed into a bitter old man and Ron, well, the less said the better.
July 29th, 2015 at 1:24 pm
First off, Jameis had talented but inept true freshman receivers last year, accounting for 5 picks by my count. Second, he threw 1 pick in the 4th quarter last year, leading FSU to what felt like 13 comeback wins. Lastly, the unfair criticism of Jameis is highlighted by him being the only QB in the history of college football to be bashed for an undefeated regular season. JT Barrett went 9 for 29 with 1 TD and 3 picks against a middle of the pack ACC team and all we hear about is how he is amazing. Must have been that stellar game against Kent State! My point is that Jameis’s weaknesses begin and end with his habit of trying to make too much happen on first downs and third and long’s. He can literally control when he makes mistakes. Aside from Aaron Rodgers, he is the greatest QB I have ever seen play at any level, and I have seen a lot of them.
July 29th, 2015 at 1:26 pm
Sure, Jameis will struggle and make some boneheaded mistakes, like all rookie QBs do. But just because a rookie QB might struggle a little while learning the finer points of the NFL game doesn’t mean he won’t be productive or that he can’t lead his team to the playoffs.
Our first eight opponents ranked 15th, 25th, 21st, 11th, 22nd, 24th, 32nd, and 18th in pass defense last season. So, unless most of those teams have dramatically improved their pass defenses, none of them should be total game-wreckers for Jameis as long as he is playing reasonably well overall.
Just because Jameis might not immediately be the player we all expect to eventually see doesn’t mean he won’t do a lot of good things early on. As long as the good outweighs the bad, we’re on track.
July 29th, 2015 at 1:27 pm
And if anyone tries to blame his only college loss on that one fluke play where he slipped as opposed to the 3 turnovers by true freshman in the 3rd Quarter, I will strangle you.
July 29th, 2015 at 1:31 pm
That show with ‘Canadian Bacon Beckles’ and ‘wanna-be porn star Dias’ is the worst show on the sports airwaves in Tampa. Chris Thomas would be ashamed of the product those two put out there. Their opinions on football are not very solid and has an average joe feel to the wisdom behind it.
July 29th, 2015 at 1:37 pm
Three of our four preseason opponents had top-10 pass defenses last year. None of our regular-season opponents did. The preseason should be very fertile training ground for Jameis.
July 29th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
Fsuking don’t hurt’em they know what it really was when it came to that game. But I wanna say this real quick if RGIII can win the ROY Jamies d@$! well can also. And on that note you hearing it from me first the ROY coming to the Bay,they might as well start chisling his name.
July 29th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
Yeah that Jameis Winston was just awful in college.
He’s gonna be washed up after 8 games?
Can’t make a read?
Struggles of course. But mixed in with clear signs of greatness and grit.
July 29th, 2015 at 3:02 pm
One big reason Tampa picked Jameis is this, his ability to read defenses.
He is much more then a big kid, with a big time arm.
He is a workaholic who has a brain when it comes to Football.
Boston College game planned for him, and he took them apart with his mind, not just his arm.
I know that NFL Defenses are not Boston College, but Jameis has seen a blitz or two or three, in his time.
I think he is gonna be better, then many people think, including Ian Beckles.
Ian Beckles makes me hungry, whenever I hear him. He is from Montreal, and the food there, especially the Steaks, are at another level.
July 29th, 2015 at 3:08 pm
Ian Beckles saying Jameis will be washed up after 8 games?! That’s like saying Jameis is Ryan Leaf. Ian Beckles is getting ahead of himself since we haven’t seen Jameis in his first TRAINING CAMP! I’d say at the half of his 2nd season is when we’ll know Jameis is a bust or we hit the jackpot.
July 29th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
Washed up after 8 games I call him a hater and some here wonder why.
July 29th, 2015 at 3:17 pm
tickrdr Says:
July 29th, 2015 at 11:53 am
Also reposted to the active thread:
The last four QB’s taken number one overall all started from day one.
Luck, Newton, Bradford, Stafford.
——————————————————————————-
In their first 18 games:
Luck: 26 TDs and 19 INTs
Newton: 23 TDs and 19 INTs
Bradford: 19 TDs and 15 INTs
Stafford: 28 TDs and 22 INTs
Glennon: 29 TDs and 15 INTs
tickrdr
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Are those Glennon’s numbers from last season or from his rookie season?
July 29th, 2015 at 4:00 pm
All rookies struggle except RBs and even they do as blockers.
The question is how quickly they learn from it, especially at QB.
Winston has shown his entire career that he learns quick, wants to learn, wants to get better, and has the talent level to do so.
How he looks this season will be a lot to do with the OC and the O-line.
July 29th, 2015 at 4:25 pm
MAJOR JBF announcement for the regular posters of JBF!!!!
Erik the CleanAthetlics.com guy came through today.
Yesterday I got this signed picture of Jon Gruden holding up the SB trophy. (obviously from Erik)
Today the Winston jersey came in the mail.
So he did me a major solid, by getting me that autographed pic AND the coveted Jameis Winston jersey!
Erik you sir are a stand up guy. Come to a game and I’ll buy you all you can drink. You sir are the effin man!
I’m wearing it now, and I’m not taking it off.
July 29th, 2015 at 4:37 pm
TERRIBLE!! Ian predicts. “TERRIBLE in his 1st 8 games…That’s a fact”
Apparently Ian Beckles still doesn’t understand what level of talent and superior football intellect Jameis Winston has – and already had before he ever put on a Bucs jersey.
Will Winston make mistakes and throw some picks? Sure – he’s not afraid to take risks. He’s not adverse to throwing into a tight window in order to try and make a big play. And more often than not – he makes that big play. Especially when its needed the most. Jameis’ 4th quarter FSU stats are eye opening – as is his uncanny ability to WIN THE FOOTBALL GAME.
Rally the troops when the game is on the line – Demand their belief in themselves and in their QB and that they are going to win – and then step up and execute. And WIN. That’s what Jameis does is WIN football games.
You can’t teach that chit. You can’t teach someone how to be a natural leader. You can’t teach someone how to step up their game and execute flawlessly when the game is on the line. 7-0 in College games decided by 7 points or less. FIVE – 4th quarter come from behind victories last year alone.
Winston has lost a total of like 4 or 5 football games in his entire life going back to pee wee.
The kids got it!! and there is no accounting for the IT factor.
Enjoy the ride on the Jameis Winston train Bucs fans.
I expect to see big things from this team in 2016 – But if the Bucs don’t win at least 3 or 4 of the 1st 8 games this year – I will be very surprised – and pissed.
July 29th, 2015 at 4:59 pm
Waterboy Says:
July 29th, 2015 at 3:17 pm
The last four QB’s taken number one overall all started from day one.
Luck, Newton, Bradford, Stafford.
——————————————————————————-
In their first 18 games:
Luck: 26 TDs and 19 INTs
Newton: 23 TDs and 19 INTs
Bradford: 19 TDs and 15 INTs
Stafford: 28 TDs and 22 INTs
Glennon: 29 TDs and 15 INTs
tickrdr
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Are those Glennon’s numbers from last season or from his rookie season?
_______________________________________________________
For all five of those guys, the posted stats are thru their first 18 games.
Glennon 2013 —- 19 TDs and 9 INTs.
Glennon 2014 —- 10 TDs and 6 INTs.
The first four names were all the #1 pick in their respective draft year. They all have “IT” though, so it doesn’t matter.
tickrdr
July 29th, 2015 at 4:59 pm
Congrats, ’87!
tickrdr
July 29th, 2015 at 5:46 pm
Glad to hear you finally got your Winston jersey ’87. I guess the bonus autographed Gruden SB pic was Erik’s way of trying to make up for you having to wait so long for him to pay off the bet.
July 29th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
First off Lord C FTW Lol who uses the word “fact” about a prediction like that.
Exactly!!! We are ALL SPECULATING. Except for me of course because I know it all and you can take this to the bank as FACT…10-6 baby…Fameis has a great year. It’s a FACT take it to the bank. Laugh all you want. Yes I COULD be mistaken but my FACT is just as FACTUAL as Ian’s FACT.
tickdr…thanks for those stats. How dare you bring stats and actual facts to our debate.
I’m the old guy here yet I’m the one who is embracing the new technology. If airline pilots learn to face any number of emergencies in a flight SIMULATOR….ditto for astronauts…I’m telling you this new simulator thing could actual shorten Fameis learning curve.
Have you guys ever seen some of the AMAZING new computer virtual tech. I know many of you have to be far, far more computer literate than me. But I’ve seen some examples in other walks of life.
Fameis will get to see a very realistic portrayal…3D..life size..of ALL NFL defenses. He will probably toss a bunch of “virtual ints”. This could truly be something that shortens his learning curve. I’m very optmistic given the technology and Fameis obvious obsessive hunger to hone his skills.
It’s all good guys! 10-6. That’s a face. LMAO
July 29th, 2015 at 5:55 pm
face=fact
July 29th, 2015 at 6:53 pm
Ian Buckles (as we used to call him dup to his weak pass blocking skills) says a lot of stupid things. Just trying to make a name for himself.
July 29th, 2015 at 7:16 pm
@87
Congrats brother on winning the wager. It is rare these days for someone to actually back their comments with action. That was honorable of Erik to follow through and he has my respect as well. Kudos to you Erik!! Also kudos to you 87 for giving him the props for coming through on the payout. Hopefully the successful football that we all hope to see with Winston at the helm will be a consolation prize for Erik.
July 29th, 2015 at 7:39 pm
Nice 87!!!! I’m glad he came through for you! I take back everything I posted about Erik from Cleanathletics.com! Wow, I do know how to spell it right!! Lol Good job Sir!!
July 29th, 2015 at 8:13 pm
Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says
“I just find it peculiar,I don’t recall folks predicting Luck would struggle.”
Listen to Colts sports talk and read their papers do you?
By week six in his rookie year, Luck had 7 picks and 13 sacks…and 3 fumbles. He also lost half the games.
EVEN LUCK STRUGGLED AT FIRST.
You guys are expecting WAY too much. No one is saying Winston will not do well in the second half of the season. But if you don’t expect growing pains you are really going to lose it in the regular season.
The kid may well eventually be elite, but it won’t be in his first 8 games. Not when he is scrambling for his life behind an offensive line that is young in two spots, old in another and sucks at the rest.
Ian Beckles is an idiot, but I get what he’s saying. Expect struggles at first. He just goes about saying it in a stupid way because being around Ron Diaz has dummed him up.
I may not have wanted Winston over Mariota, but I wanted a QB and he was second on my list. The kid has my support, and just as important, he has my patience.
July 29th, 2015 at 8:14 pm
And, let me add…Luck had a better team around him.
July 29th, 2015 at 8:14 pm
^^^Reality
July 29th, 2015 at 8:19 pm
My prediction on Winston is this:
He will be blitzed and rushed a lot, because that’s what teams do to young QBs.
He will get flustered at times, and throw a lot of picks at first. It can’t be helped. Maybe behind a decent offensive line he would not get flustered, but at some point he’s going to try some risky things to make plays because the defense is in his face. This will be the case until the oline can do their jobs.
He will trip at times. Maybe resulting in fumbles.
He will be sacked a lot at first.
But all that’s okay so long as he doesn’t get hurt. Every mistake will be a learning experience, and so long as he keeps his head, he’ll grow better and better. Dirk will see to that.
July 29th, 2015 at 8:20 pm
Grats on the stuff 87.
And way to man up, Erik!
July 29th, 2015 at 8:47 pm
I disagree with the better team analysis bonzai and I appreciate the research bro. But the point I was attempting to make was I didn’t hear anyone making pre rookie season predictions that Luck would suck. I fully understand Jamies will make his fair share of mistakes as well,I think where some lose me is my expectation of this young man is based on what I feel he will be once he finds his NFL groove. But don’t get it twisted Jamies does not shy away,he is going to pull that trigger bro. Rhonde told you all a few ago this kid is not afraid.
July 29th, 2015 at 9:13 pm
“I think where some lose me is my expectation of this young man is based on what I feel he will be once he finds his NFL groove. ”
Nole ..and that’s just it. When does he find his groove? I really can’t say one way or the other when that will happen. Will he struggle week 1 vs the Titans? I don’t see it. I think it WILL be an up and down season for the whole team. As a Noles fan it really is hard to tell with this kid. I don’t know, if I say he’s going to blow everyone away, then I look like a Nole homer. Because part of me does really think that he will continue where he left off, college, or pro. So for now I’m just going to sit back and enjoy the ride for good or for bad. Make no predictions about the kid and let him do his thing.
July 29th, 2015 at 9:27 pm
87
We already know you’re a Nole homer. That’s OK. We can put that in context.
Say what you feel.
What nobody is talking about is that the jump from high school football to Division 1 football is also yyyuuuge. If I’m not mistaken Fameis was a redshirt freshman which gave him one year in the FSU program so there’s that.
Having said that how did he fare as a freshman making his first foray into big time college football? Hey I was a Mariota supporter but it was based on Mariota’s skill set and the future of the league. Fameis is clearly a great QB and how did he make that jump from high school to college?
Why he only helped lead his team to the National Title he won the Heisman.
It’s clear the size of the stage nor the brightness of the big time lights will faze him at all. He simply has to adjust to the speed of the game. Four preseason games and the new virtual trainer should be enough.
When we were having the Fameis-MM debates one of the biggest selling points for Fameis is that he was already in the pro style offense and was far more NFL ready than NFL. Why is everybody backtracking so much?
July 29th, 2015 at 9:38 pm
StPeteBucsFan …could be that O-line from last season.
July 29th, 2015 at 9:50 pm
Don’t get me wrong I’m as excited as anyone for the upcoming season and Jameis is a big reason why. Without Jameis I don’t really know if I would be as excited as I am though.
You’re right, the big stage doesn’t bother this kid at all. What I saw in the @ Clemson game of 2013 was simply outstanding. If ANYONE saw that game. That single game they would know this kid is something damn special. Perhaps there is a youtube vid of that game or something for all to watch. That stadium was packed to the hilt and the fans were to say the least LOUD. They had fans jumping up and down to blaring music of “Jump Around” while strobe lights and disco lights were flashing. Jameis was backed up to their goal line a few times and the kid just drove them down field like an unflappable Joe Montana. Noles fans know what I’m talking about. That place would have been HELL for any QB in that game. The final score FSU 51 Clemson 14 and FSU was an underdog.
Here’s some highlights : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_0R5Vd71_Q
July 29th, 2015 at 9:58 pm
Congrats 87!
Way to go Erik!
July 29th, 2015 at 10:22 pm
Thanks everyone. If you get the chance watch the entire game of that Clemson game at Clemson and not just the highlights. Watch what this kid had to deal with. Then it might make some of you a little less worried and a little bit more excited for the season.
I’m gonna re-watch it tonight, just to get my bearings straight again. Yes I know it’s college and it’s a different game or level of it. The kid just has “IT”.
July 29th, 2015 at 10:33 pm
Let me guess… As soon as we start stringing a few wins together early, they’ll be talking about how we haven’t played anybody yet.
So predictable.
July 29th, 2015 at 11:01 pm
Beckles is just pissed that after retiring he has to sit behind a microphone and sell Mercedes to make a living. Second year guard Jorge Diaz took Beckles spot at right guard for the Bucs in 1997 so he knows about being “TERRIBLE”
July 30th, 2015 at 9:49 am
I think most of us want Winston to succeed…but history has been unkind to rookie QBs…even ones on much better teams than Tampa. Teams with good offensive lines…teams with prolific offenses, teams with stable coaching and teams that have used the same offensive system for years.
The Bucs are in a state of flux. Our offensive line is bottom 2 or 3 in the league. Winston will struggle, so don’t get your expectations too high right out of the gate. If he can grasp the offense and not get killed, that’s probably all you can expect from his first half season.
July 30th, 2015 at 9:55 am
SOFIERCE you so right. Your name might as well be nostradomus.
July 30th, 2015 at 6:49 pm
Jameis’s last step up was from high school, to Pitt on primetime,he had 2 incompletions the entire game. JS
July 31st, 2015 at 12:25 am
Jamis is going to take us too the super bowl in his rookie year