Dominik Names Move He “Messed Up On”
July 6th, 2015
History will view mattress-in-the-yard, blade-in-the-thigh Mike Williams in different ways.
A 2010 Buccaneers fourth-round pick, Williams was excellent in his first three seasons — 193 catches, 23 touchdowns and never missed a game.
And then came the big-money contract extension before the 2013 season and hamstring surgery that fall. Williams still had year and puny cash left on his rookie deal but former Bucs rockstar general manager Mark Dominik dropped a pile of cash in his lap.
Joe cannot recall anyone objecting. Williams seemed worthy.
But wild accusations about Williams ensued, the Tampa Bay Times painted him negatively for possession of stripper poles and used beds doubling as lawn ornaments, and Lovie Smith and Jason Licht traded him to Buffalo last spring for a sixth-round pick.
The Bills cut him midway through the season and he’s out of football.
Dominik said yesterday on SiriusXM NFL Radio that he shouldn’t have paid Williams.
“‘Pump the brakes. We don’t need to do an extension too quickly.’ That was one of the things I learned on the go and I messed up on: You don’t want to really reward guys that have been in trouble before until you have to,” Dominik said. “Until they’re at the final stage of their contract situation. Because I did that with Mike Williams. Now I protected the [Bucs] on how we structured the contract, but Mike Williams, the wide receiver out of Syracuse who we drafted, I did a long term extension for him. You see he’s out of the league now because he just couldn’t get his act together.
“There were signs and bells there, and that’s why I protected the club. But I should have waited another year. And I think that’s what you’re kind of seeing around the league with some of these franchise tags of guys saying, ‘Well, let’s just play it out one more year and make sure everything’s going in the right direction.'”
Yes, in hindsight, Dominik cost Team Glazer $6 million or so. But Joe thinks Dominik’s being a little hard on himself.
Williams was a good football player who had performed consistently for three years. You have to take calculated risks. It’s not like Williams was dealing with arrests and drug suspensions or injuries when he got a new contract. Every cog in a good team doesn’t have to be a Boy Scout.
Joe sure hopes the Bucs don’t hesitate to lock up Lavonte David this summer, about eight months before he becomes an unrestricted free agent. Fear of a Williams meltdown should not be in the line of thinking.
July 6th, 2015 at 11:22 am
I say we just go ahead and extend Jameis now
July 6th, 2015 at 11:27 am
You mean “Realist” wasn’t the first to comment?
July 6th, 2015 at 11:41 am
The biggest move he messed up on was accepting the GM job in the first place. He was a horible talent evaluator, and thats being generous. Good riddance.
July 6th, 2015 at 11:44 am
Heck yeah get the deal done now. A “Joe special deal” of 100 million+ , sound about right Creamsicle?
July 6th, 2015 at 11:45 am
I certainly wasn’t against the extension. I thought he earned it, and was only going to get better. However, I wasn’t in the building seeing the signs that apparently were there. This is a really good lesson for all fans that we really don’t know what’s going on within the walls of the facility, so we should probably all pump our brakes a bit before we jump to conclusions.
July 6th, 2015 at 11:45 am
his worst move was not resigning michael bennett. end of story
July 6th, 2015 at 11:45 am
Hardly his most egregious error. Drafting Clayborn over Cam Jordan was probably his biggest blunder. Giving Quincy black and mike Clayton big money extensions were probaby worse than the Williams deal too.
July 6th, 2015 at 11:46 am
I heard him on XM talkng about Jeremy Stevens lol being the one move he regretted well let me tell you there was a man named Josh Freeman that set this club back 5 years Mr. Dominick thanks for that wonderful pick. And thats just the first one that comes to mind. Didnt he draft Bowers on the D line???? That was after we had whiffed on a D end from Clemson just a few years earlier. Yes Bowers has been dominant for us. In fact Gerald McCoy and Levonte David might be the only two picks he got right unless you want to throw in Banks but beyond that the cupboard is bare!!!!
July 6th, 2015 at 11:47 am
THAT’S the move he regrets???? Not Michael Clayton? Not trading up for Luke Stocker? Not drafting a marginal safety 7th overall??
Good GOD. And ESPN goes to him for ANALYSIS?
IS THIS THE FREAKIN’ BIZZARO WORLD OR SOMETHING????
July 6th, 2015 at 11:52 am
Sounds like a job interview answer “My biggest flaw is I’m a perfectionist”….in this case “My biggest mess up isn’t really a mess up at all and besides it turns out the other guy is a mess”
July 6th, 2015 at 11:58 am
You would think that it would have been all the bad draft picks that he did not have to resign!!!!
How do you think the Glazers can afford those expensive properties!!!
July 6th, 2015 at 11:59 am
He did not learn from Micheal Clayton? There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Florida, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
July 6th, 2015 at 12:34 pm
At least Williams gave the Bucs some production. There were some questions about his behavior prior to the Bucs bringing him aboard.
July 6th, 2015 at 12:34 pm
His worst move was drafting Barron over Kueckly. He also paid Mike Clayton and let Bennet go. His opinion when it comes to football is useless.
July 6th, 2015 at 12:44 pm
“At least Williams gave the Bucs some production.”
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That is, until he signed the extension. After that, nada.
July 6th, 2015 at 12:59 pm
Not a Lavonte David fan, eh?
July 6th, 2015 at 1:02 pm
So glad Dom is on tv where he belongs. I love his comedy segments on ESPN where he evaluates players and gives his thoughts on how good players will be. Pure comedy from this guy
July 6th, 2015 at 1:04 pm
People forget that Dominik drafted Mason Foster the year before Mark Barron so he wasn’t looking for a LB that high. They just weren’t in the market for a LB because they sort of filled the need the year before.
Now I am not excusing the Barron pick (I was so pissed off about it when it happened I shut the tv off and went to bed and missed the Bucs trading up for Doug Martin). It’s easy to say he was on the board but Dominik diverted his own eyes in the year prior.
July 6th, 2015 at 1:15 pm
Buctrooper- Dom double dipped on DT when he drafted McCoy and on de when he drafted clayborn. Why not draft 2 lbs instead of reaching for Barron?
Dude was nice to the media and leaked a lot of info for the media so they aren’t too hard on him. But the bottom line is Dom sucked and sucked bad.
July 6th, 2015 at 1:24 pm
I’m not defending Dominik. His firing can very easily be justified. However, what drives me insane is a bunch of couch fans pretending as if they know more about football or talent evaluation than Dominik, or any other GM for that matter. It’s real easy to get every draft pick right in hindsight. I’ve been on this site since almost the beginning, and I don’t know of one poster who has gotten more than one or two picks right. That includes myself. It’s an incredibly hard job, and just because Dominik wasn’t successful doesn’t mean he’s an idiot, and it certainly doesn’t mean you could do any better. I can promise you Dominik has forgotten more football than any of us.
July 6th, 2015 at 1:39 pm
Very true Mr. Hawaiian,
Good fortune and a little luck is necessary for these guys to succeed, given the inexact nature of their profession.
Kinda like Brady turning into a Hall of Famer when nobody expected it.
On the other spectrum, drafting Adams and it turns out he has an enlarged heart.
We always seem to be on the wrong end somehow.
July 6th, 2015 at 1:40 pm
Hawaiian Buc is right. Is to say Clayton, but very GM signs a free agent or player that busts. Heck last year we signed 3 or 4 to bigger deals than claytons. Easy to say that can Jordan or Clayborn but Clayborn got hurt twice something he didn’t do in college and when Clayborn was healthy he posted better numbers than cam Jordan. You guys bag on luke stocker? Seriously a 4th round TE who made the team threw three different coaching staffs? Have you even looked at other teams mistakes? Really it is a shame some of you think you know it all when really you couldn’t even get a job in the league as a ball boy.
July 6th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
Dominik’s biggest blunder wasn’t even about football talent evaluation, it was not taking the reins.
He worked his way up from the lowers levels of OBP, and finally gets his dream job. He has a first round draft pick, and the need for a franchise quarterback, and he essentially cedes his choice to a first time head coach, Raheem, who never scouted or did any offensive coaching. Why? Because he coached against him in the Big 12?
Terrible.
July 6th, 2015 at 1:58 pm
So according to the posters here if you continually draft badly, sign the wrong free agents and let good players leave the team, it’s not your fault, it’s just bad luck?
Man I wish you guys were my boss.
If as a GM you continually draft poorly and the free agents under perform that means you aren’t very good. I won’t bash Dom for his 4th thru 7th picks as those are always a crapshoot if they develop or not. But his record when it comes to 1st and 2nd rounders is awful.
This team has no depth? Which even Joe agrees with! That’s because of years of bad drafting. Not sure if Dom has forgot more football than most of us as he’s never coached, or played the game. His picks sure shows his knowledge is lacking. Go ahead and give him a pass.
But as a 7 year season ticket buyer no one gets a pass until this team is turned around
July 6th, 2015 at 2:03 pm
this wasn’t even close to his worst move and I think he more than exceeded expectations for a 4th round pick. Williams wasn’t the bad pick seeing how easy it was to ship him out, it was that they excepted arrelious ben to be the big time threat, benn was supposed to be the main guy
July 6th, 2015 at 2:18 pm
Foster was a OLB in college who said in post draft interviews he was more comfortable outside — and he never really became anything more than serviceable here. A few splash plays, but way to much overpersuing.
If Briggs and Urlacher can play together, there’s absolutely no reason you shy away from drafting David a year after you draft Luke. Hell, this is the GM who liked to double dip with back to back picks at the same position in the same draft (Arrelious Benn over GRONK actually a worse decision than giving MW19 a contract he’d earned)
The difference between the great defenses of Buc past were anchored by a GREAT MLB (Hardy 97-99, Shelton Q 01-03). The years where the defense fell off were, IIRC, 98 (when Hardy had a heart condition) and 2000 (after he left, before Quarles was flourishing in the middle). When we had guys the caliber of Jamie Duncan and Nate Webster in the middle — even though they had Brooks on one side, Sapp in front, Lynch behind….that Buc D was not quite so great.
MLB is huge. I HOPE Carter handles the position change seemlessly, but it scares me when you sign/draft a guy to play a position he’s never played before.
Like Mason Foster. (or Anthony Collins. or Marpet)
July 6th, 2015 at 2:26 pm
My point in all that being…I don’t think a Mike Williams contract extention is in the top 10 of Dom’s mistakes.
Not as bad as paying Clayton
Not as bad as Clayborn over Cam Jordan (leaving Cam for the Saints)
Not as bad as Daquan over Justin Houston, Demarco Murray, Randall Cobb, or Torrey Smith
Not as bad as trading two fourth rounders for Luke Stocker when you could have stayed put and got Julius Thomas
Not as bad as picking Ahmad Black three picks before Richard Sherman…
But yeah, it was a mistake.
July 6th, 2015 at 2:36 pm
@TampaTony,
No one is, or should be giving Dominik a pass. He didn’t get the job done. However, it’s silly to argue that luck plays a part in a team’s success. Sometimes is has to do with being in the right place at the right time, or making that one perfect pick that makes you a success. Look no further than Bellicheat. Only moderate success with Cleveland. Did he all of a sudden learn football when he got to NE? Of course not. He was just in the right situation with the right owner, and getting basically a lucky, perfect pick in Brady.
As for our team, we got some terrible breaks. What if Brian Price doesn’t get that essentially career ending injury? Supposedly he was a stud in practice before he got hurt. Imagine a healthy Price and McCoy. What if Arrelious Benn doesn’t tear up his knee? What if guys like Freeman and Williams didn’t get distracted by the fame and fortune, and kept their heads in the books? If Freeman continued to be the QB he was in 2010, imagine how different things would be in Tampa right now. Who is to say that had we drafted Kuechly, he wouldn’t have had a career ending injury? With our past luck, I don’t find it that far fetched of an idea. You just never know.
Again, I’m not excusing the guy, and I had no objection to him getting fired. You can’t survive 2 coaches and 4 out of 5 losing seasons. I don’t care how bad of luck you had. There comes a point where you have to get results, and unfortunately for us Dominik didn’t get results. However, it is really silly to say that luck doesn’t play a part in success or failure of a GM. It’s not like Dominik was picking players that the experts were shocked at. Most people thought we would pick Clayborn with where we were picking. It’s not like drafting Dexter Jackson in the second when we probably could have had him in the 7th. The picks just didn’t work out, but I don’t recall any expert blasting our drafts during the draft time. In fact, many thought Dominik had a good draft.
July 6th, 2015 at 2:42 pm
@What?
Not as bad as paying Clayton
Not as bad as Clayborn over Cam Jordan (leaving Cam for the Saints)
Not as bad as Daquan over Justin Houston, Demarco Murray, Randall Cobb, or Torrey Smith
Not as bad as trading two fourth rounders for Luke Stocker when you could have stayed put and got Julius Thomas
Not as bad as picking Ahmad Black three picks before Richard Sherman…
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Can you honestly say that you knew Cam Jordan was going to be better? If so, you are pretty good.
So at the time, you were against us picking what would have been the #1 overall pick in the draft (if not for a knee injury) in the second round? You don’t think that was a chance worth taking? That was probably our biggest position of need as well. But it sure is easy to go back 4 years later and list off players that were picked later that were better. If only you could get that crystal ball to work BEFORE the draft, you could make some serious money.
Yeah, because everyone had Julius Thomas on their radar! Sure, buddy.
Please I want you to tell me you knew Sherman was going to be this good. Not to mention that while he’s a great corner, he’s a product of the system they run. You really think he would be as good here? I guess you studied Stanford tape in your spare time. And yeah, Ahmad Black was terrible in college, right? I mean, who needs a playmaking safety?
July 6th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
Mark Barron at #7.
Da’ Quan Bowers on a bum knee.
Letting go of Bennet.
Trading for Revis.
All far, fa, farr worse decisions than the Mike Williams extension.
July 6th, 2015 at 3:12 pm
I’m not a college football scout, but I do remember the 2011 draft — Clayborn and Jordan were rated similarly, and yes, Jordan was my preference. IIRC Clayborn was coming off a 3 sack senior season, had the medical concerns (erbs palsy?), and was not an explosive edge rusher.
Jordan, IIRC, out of Cal, was seen as less stout against the run but definitely the superior pass rusher of the two. I’m all about the bloodlines, and Jordan’s dad was a long time pro for Minnesota.
So yes, I would have taken Cameron over Clayborn, if I were GM for a day. Just like I’d have taken Luke over Barron (drafting a safety top 10??)
As for the later round picks, that’s why THEY get paid the big bucks (or get canned). I KNOW I wouldn’t trade a future 4th rd pick to move up 15-20 spots in the 4th to take a one dimensional TE who runs 5 flat.
As to Bowers, no I wouldn’t have taken him over Justin Houston. I wouldn’t follow a pick of a DE with medical concerns with another DE with (more serious) injury concerns. Justin Houston had 17.5 sacks his final two years in the SEC and two good knees. Daquan had 18.5 sacks his final two years in the ACC — and a bum knee. Compare their college production, compare their combine numbers (Houston 4.6 40, 10’2 broad jump, 30 reps) vs Daquan (4.9 40, 9’2 broad jump, 22 reps)
Bowers was a bum from the drop of the hat. 31 NFL GMs recognized it, but it only takes one sucker.
(Hint: it’s the guy who took punter Brent Bowden over Antonio Brown)
July 6th, 2015 at 3:21 pm
Hawaiian,
During the draft it was known that Clayborn suffered from a shoulder problem at birth, while Cam Jordan is the son of a former pro bowler.
Jordan should’ve been picked before Clayborn, it’s as simple as that.
July 6th, 2015 at 3:25 pm
You fail to mention that Houston was considered a 3-4 LB. Funny how you left that out. I’m sorry, I’m just not buying your stories. If they are true, I highly recommend you look for a career in scouting.
July 6th, 2015 at 3:27 pm
@SteveK,
It wasn’t an injury. It basically meant he could only rush from one side. Big deal. Jordan had one sack as a rookie. Clayborn had 7.5. Nobody in the world was unhappy with that pick after year one. Please try to argue that. Then the injuries happened. Please try to dispute any of this.
July 6th, 2015 at 3:29 pm
What about drafting Myron lewis in the 3rd and keeping him for 4 years for nothing. Or keeping Biggers on the team period. Those were pretty terrible too.
July 6th, 2015 at 3:29 pm
Besides, you guys are making like Jordan is the second coming of Reggie White. He’s had one double digit sack season out of 4. He also plays on a team that typically has the lead, so the other team is forced to throw the ball a lot. Let’s not put the guy in the Hall of Fame just yet.
July 6th, 2015 at 3:29 pm
Dominik is the primary reason the Bucs were the worst team in the NFL.
He hit on a couple of high picks, but overall for an NFL GM he did a terrible job.
There’s a reason he’s an analyst now and not a GM.
Poor evaluation is one thing but the trade for Revis is still something that makes me sick
A 1st and a 3rd round selection for a CB that plays one year for the Bucs and is coming off an ACL injury when it was fairly clear we were not one star CB away from being a top team in the NFL.
July 6th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
What about your first move as GM is release DB #55 and his only replacements are Geno Hayes and Quincy Black. We should have known then we were in trouble. Now that I think about it, we did know we were in trouble….well at least I did.
July 6th, 2015 at 3:43 pm
It’s easy to assess blame or praise after the fact, a lot easier than picking a can’t miss prospect before he becomes one. No one has as yet perfected a crystal ball or ouija board that actually works, some would argue that point. In a way it is a crapshoot picking outside of the very top players.
July 6th, 2015 at 3:47 pm
“What about your first move as GM is release DB #55 and his only replacements are Geno Hayes and Quincy Black.”
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I could be mistaken, but I highly doubt those were his moves entirely. He wasn’t even allowed to hire his own coach, so I can’t see ownership allowing him to get rid of an all-time great.
July 6th, 2015 at 3:57 pm
HawaiianBuc Says:
July 6th, 2015 at 3:47 pm
I could be mistaken, but I highly doubt those were his moves entirely. He wasn’t even allowed to hire his own coach, so I can’t see ownership allowing him to get rid of an all-time great.
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That is because you missed the point. His first move was getting rid of Brooks period. I could careless how much power he had at the time or however you want to spin it. His first move was a precursor to every other move he made…..ala Derek Ward or whatever his name was, Myron Lewis, Brian Price, Benn, Dashon Goldson who did not fit because you already had barron (Shaun King told you guys it would not work, yet people on this site get on King), King also said you should draft Kueckly before and after the draft but still people rag on king. Oh yea, Dominick actually signed Quincy Black to a contract that was richer than Brooks. Who idea was that?
July 6th, 2015 at 3:57 pm
care less
July 6th, 2015 at 4:11 pm
The Mike Williams extension is far down on my list of Mark Dominik’s idiotic blunders… Many of them have been discussed above so I won’t repeat…
July 6th, 2015 at 4:23 pm
to bash Dominik for trading for Revis just shows how dumb some people are on here. The guy has been to two pro bowls, voted all pro, SB champ and L&L cut him for johnson and Collins???? Seems to me that was a great trade and poor choice by L&L. The draft sure is easy when you can look at it two to three years later and pick only the good players all the other clubs passed up on as well. Thats like every club complaining they could have had Tom Brady. The reason the Bucs are bad is they let over half the starters walk last year, missed on an entire free agent class, missed every trade and got one draft pick correct. The reason Dominik isn’t GM is Freeman melted down off the field….
July 6th, 2015 at 4:30 pm
I know why Says:
July 6th, 2015 at 4:23 pm
The draft sure is easy when you can look at it two to three years later and pick only the good players all the other clubs passed up on as well. Thats like every club complaining they could have had Tom Brady. The reason the Bucs are bad is they let over half the starters walk last year, missed on an entire free agent class, missed every trade and got one draft pick correct. The reason Dominik isn’t GM is Freeman melted down off the field….
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Dominick is gone because he hit on only 3 1/2 draft picks that have done anything substantial in the league. I could care less who was on the board etc. Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but he showed he did not have any foresight evident that he was at the helm for five drafts and only 3 1/2 can be considered good picks. And Gerald McCoy should not count because he just fell to us at three. It was obvious who ever did not get Suh was going to draft McCoy if you needed a 3 technique like both Detroit and Tampa needed.
July 6th, 2015 at 4:42 pm
If Joe dedicated a post to each one of the things Mark Dominik messed up on he would have content for a year. Coming up next, the Michael Clayton extension on things Mark Dominik messed up on. At least Williams produced before he signed his deal.
July 6th, 2015 at 4:55 pm
I have to disagree Joe. If we had taken Kuechly with the 7th pick, are you sure we ztill wouldn’t have traded up to pick LD…that would have stamped this D for greatness!
July 6th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
The last two pro bowlers drafted in rounds 2-7 by our Bucs were Martin Grammatica and Ronde Barber.
It’s a long string of inept drafting that’s gotten us to where we are today. Blaming the GM is fun, but maybe the problem runs a bit deeper. We’re 0-100something finding pro bowlers after rd one since….the year 2000.
Dom deserves his share of the blame. Byron Leftwich. Derrick Ward. Trading a 2nd rounder for a cancer with a bum knee, and then making that cancer with a bum knee the highest paid TE in the history of football. Paying Clayton. Paying Quincy. Letting Bennett walk because we’ve got Daquan….a comedy of errors, the list goes on and on. Being smart enough to pluck Blount off waivers, and dumb enough to trade him for a sprinter.
Honestly, Raheem got a bunch of lemons and painted that schitt gold. After McKay 79, Dungy 97, 99….and Gruden 2002, 2010 is easily the 4th best coaching job we’ve seen in 30 years as a franchise.
July 6th, 2015 at 5:51 pm
Hawaiian,
You’re right, I was thrilled with Clayborn’s rookie year, but I would’ve drafted the prospect with pedigree over the prospect whose limited to one single DL position.
July 6th, 2015 at 6:25 pm
“Dominik Names Move He “Messed Up On”
Upon seeing the headline, my 1st thought of course was – “which one? – there were so many…”
THANKS DOM!!
July 6th, 2015 at 7:00 pm
The Dom. Sigh.
July 6th, 2015 at 7:04 pm
“What about your first move as GM is release DB #55 and his only replacements are Geno Hayes and Quincy Black.”
Exactly how many more years did you expect Brooks to play at a high level?
July 6th, 2015 at 7:16 pm
1987 is right. brooks was done and the rest of you league saw the same thing. Brooks can say he didn’t choose to sign anywhere else….or no one else wanted him. That’s different than lynch. So freeman was a terrible pick? Leftwich was a cheap backup not like josh McCown. Seriously people, leftwich is now a bad signing by Dom? I can only imagine in two years how you’ll tear apart licht…QB is everything, let’s see what Winston does, just is Mariota is better I’m sure you all will beat your chests and act like you wanted Mariota too.
July 6th, 2015 at 7:22 pm
Bring back the caveman, I garuntees he’s better than our 3rd 4th n 5th receivers. Time for a bucs all star team. Bring back all our former ballers including Bennett.
July 6th, 2015 at 7:33 pm
“Leftwich agreed to terms on a two-year contract worth $17 million with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on April 12, 2009.”
8.5 million a year is worth about 12 million a year these days….”Leftwich was a cheap backup not like McCown”?
Fact check.
July 6th, 2015 at 7:37 pm
Grossly overpaying for Leftwich left no room on the roster for the “cheap backup not like McCown” we needed that year — his name was Luke McCown.
He’s still in the league, and still the best McCown.
July 6th, 2015 at 8:04 pm
I know why Says:
July 6th, 2015 at 7:16 pm
“1987 is right.”
87 is always right….even when I’m wrong! lol
July 6th, 2015 at 8:06 pm
WS99…..bring back Raheem too. The players need more drinking buddies.
July 6th, 2015 at 8:11 pm
I love how hindsight is always 20/20. What if Brett Farve actually landed in Tampa in 2008?.. This for me was the beginning of the end…. Just my revisionist view of the biggest mistake. I could be wrong.
July 6th, 2015 at 8:20 pm
Yungry wasn’t all bad. Better than team cialis IMO.
July 6th, 2015 at 8:31 pm
Seriously “what” do some research before you post. He was paid 2.0 mil in 2009 the rest is fake incentives and roster bonuses for 2010. So for all that still are reading this. “What” is wrong again and leftwich made 2.0 to be a backup. That’s normal
July 6th, 2015 at 8:34 pm
WS99…yup who knows what they could have done if the Glazers had only opened up their wallets for him.
July 6th, 2015 at 8:46 pm
@WS99
Awesome.. cialis! Yungry would probably still be on our staff! DC , But again, just always thought … What if? ..
July 6th, 2015 at 9:08 pm
@Buc1987..You are correct sir.. IMO, We skip all of this, no Garcia, Luke , Leftwich, Freeman. No Dom, Hell maybe Kiffin gets all juiced up again and stays the whole season and realizes his boy…is what it is. WE will never know..
July 6th, 2015 at 9:53 pm
@Hawaiian
C’mon bruh-I’ve been on this site almost as long as U. There’s been a few dudes that can spot good prospects. A lot more than just one or two.
July 6th, 2015 at 11:04 pm
Yeah luvmybucs licht is doing soooo much better….??
July 6th, 2015 at 11:42 pm
We all know the saying about hindsight, so I won’t repeat it and talk about missed draft picks as the draft is essentially a crap-shoot, but let’s consider the truly bad moves Mark Dominik made while running the show in Tampa Bay, in respect to established veterans:
Off the top of my head…
1. Offered Albert Haynesworth a $100 million dollar contract. Thank god Fat Albert went to Washington instead, but this needs to at least be mentioned.
2. Wildly overpaying for a mediocre CB in Eric Wright. This move just made no sense whatsoever.
3. Extended Michael Clayton, one of the most egregious re-signings in the history of the franchise. Clayton was grossly overpaid and was brought back because of his blocking, while he was in truth a one year wonder and former first round wide receiver. This move is the worst in my book.
4. Letting Michael Bennett walk away, although to be fair, I think Schiano had more to do with this one than Dominik, and maybe Bennett just didn’t want to play for the Bucs anymore.
5. Resigning Mike Williams with a year left on his deal. Amateur hour for Mark on this one. You let a player with a checkered past finish his first deal before resigning him to a big money contract.
6. Overpaying for Dashon Goldson right about the time the NFL shifted away from what Goldson was really good at; disrupting receivers with jarring hits. Yeah, he did fill a need, but with a neutered style of play as a result of the NFL cracking down on violent hits, Goldson went from All-Pro to scrub in less than three years.
7. Outsmarting himself when it came to the Revis deal. Maybe ownership pushed for this move, I don’t really know, but the Bucs should have held firm at only a 2nd round pick with the same incentive compensation wise for the Jets in year two. Missing out on Sheldon Richardson for a one year rehab assignment for Revis was a hard pill to swallow.
8. Derrick Ward was another bum, but he did come off a ridiculous season prior to being signed by the Bucs, but I had to mention him because he sucked while in Tampa.
No GM is perfect, and while I applaud Dominik for admitting to some of his mistakes, I have to put the Michael Clayton extension ahead of Mike Williams. At least Mike Williams was a good player for more than one season. That just can’t be said for Michael Clayton.
July 6th, 2015 at 11:45 pm
Trading a 1st and a 4th for Revis Island, and paying him !6 million a year.
July 7th, 2015 at 12:27 am
Stop! You wouldn’t trade a first and fourth pick for a Hall of Fame player at a need position??? A first and a fourth for a known stud commodity???
The dumb move was cutting him. Can’t blame Dominik for that.
July 7th, 2015 at 12:29 am
Bennett wanted to stay here.
July 7th, 2015 at 12:34 am
@Joe…..will Revis be in the Hall someday? I mean statistic-wise. Considering not too many QB’s throw his way…he only has 23 career picks. Yes he has a ring, but stats wise I don’t know.
July 7th, 2015 at 12:37 am
I guess some say he will just on the fact that no one will throw his way….but I still don’t know. If that happens it might take a long while. Then again what has he played 7 or 8 seasons? Plenty of time to beef up his stats I guess.
July 7th, 2015 at 12:48 am
NFL’s All Time leaders in INT’s
1 Paul Krause 81
2 Emlen Tunnell 79
3 Rod Woodson 71
4 Dick Lane 68
5 Ken Riley 65
6 ED REED 64
7 Darren Sharper 63
Ronnie Lott 63
9 Dave Brown 62
Dick LeBeau 62
11 CHARLES WOODSON 60
12 Emmitt Thomas 58
13 Mel Blount 57
Bobby Boyd 57
Eugene Robinson 57
Johnny Robinson 57
Everson Walls 57
18 Lem Barney 56
Pat Fischer 56
20 Aeneas Williams 55
July 7th, 2015 at 12:49 am
“Mark Dominick names The move he messed up On”
Pretending to be a GM. That would be the one.
The guys horrible drafts have sit this team back 5 years. He was hopelessly incompetent at his job.
And Every knowledgeable NFL Front office guy knows.
And almost every Fan
Except for one, who seems to still be enamoured with that sad excuse of a team builder.
Dom could not have done a worse job. And it’s too bad- he seems like a nice guy
July 7th, 2015 at 12:53 am
Aeneas Williams had 55 INT’s when he retired and he’s ranked 20th among all time leaders in INT’s. In comparison Rod Woodson had 71 INT’s and is ranked 3rd all time.
So as far as stats go Revis has a lot of catching up to do in the INT category.
July 7th, 2015 at 12:55 am
I know why Says:
July 6th, 2015 at 11:04 pm
“Yeah luvmybucs licht is doing soooo much better….??”
Welp…I would think you have to give Licht atleast 3 seasons to consider him incompetent.
July 7th, 2015 at 1:11 am
How about not drafting Carlos Dunlap
July 7th, 2015 at 1:15 am
You Were Great At Some Bargain Deals & really bad at seeing natural talent.
July 7th, 2015 at 3:32 am
Buc1987, My Polk County Homeboy,, Ken Riley (from Bartow,Fl) has 65 career interceptions and he’s not in the Hall of Fame.
July 7th, 2015 at 9:49 am
Dummynick made so many mistakes they are hard to keep track of. I wouldn’t let this preppy yuppie manage a McDonalds. This is what happens when you hire style and appearance over substance.
Tried to nail the Dummy down on His NFL Sirrus network show about what happened to Josh Freeman and the most I got out of him was the Free wasn’t spending enough time in the classroom and paying attention to the details that make a great NFL QB. Said the Glennon pick was a result of that.
July 7th, 2015 at 10:13 am
Who was the greatest CB in the history of the NFL?
Deon Sanders. It’s not even close.
Odd he’s not on the all time interception list?
Meybe it’s because you had to be a total idiot to throw at him!!!
Oh. . .
I love it when we all learn together
Who is the 2nd best CB in the history of the NFL?
There are legitimate arguments- but Darrelle Revis would be a part of that argument.
He’d be my choice.
And no, not Richard Sherman. He’s very good, but not close to elite. He’s Elite at making himself a celebrity- and convincing people that he’s in the completion for league best.
He’s not
Only Pete Petersen can be compared to Revis- and that’s because Revis is getting older
Good CBs get interceptions.
Truly great CBs never get thrown at.
Deon would get so bored, that on several occasions- he kneeled in front of the receiver.
And almost every NFL WR has world class speed.
That’s a skill level, that I doubt we will ever see again in our lifetime