Glennon Outplaying Jameis?
June 15th, 2015
Does Mike Glennon have the edge?
Last week, a lot of news came out of One Buc Palace, including Demar Dotson’s holdout/non-holdout and the waiver claim of tight end Tim Wright, after Bill Belicheat waved him goodbye.
But potentially the biggest news came from Woody Cummings of The Tampa Tribune.
He appeared with Jenna Laine on WHBO-AM 1040 to drop a bombshell on Bucs fans.
Even though it is June and it is only underwear football, “America’s Quarterback,” Bucs signal-caller Jameis Winston, has not locked up the starting quarterback gig. That was the word Friday from Cummings.
“Well this week we saw Jameis taking most of the first-team reps,” Cummings said. “There was one part during some of the individual work when Mike Glennon was taking first-team reps but for most of the 11-on-11 work and 7-on-7, it was Jameis Winston. Now having said that, right now Mike Glennon looks, to me, like the better quarterback, just based on what we’re seeing. Again, they are just throwing against air. He’s hitting a higher percentage of his passes — I’m only seeing one practice [a week].
“In the practices I have seen, Mike Glennon really looks like the slightly better quarterback. He’s throwing a very nice ball which he always does. His accuracy seems to be much improved whereas Jameis Winston is still having some difficulty at times. He’s throwing behind guys and over guys. But I wouldn’t be too concerned about that. I think he’s still trying to develop a chemistry. Still trying to get his footing settled.
“I think it’ll come around but I like the fact that they’re competing, though. I really do. You can say what you want, whether it is a cursory competition or a real competition. I think Lovie Smith is making these guys earn these positions, not just hand them out this year.”
Cummings went on to say that if Glennon wins the starting job, Bucs fans should be happy because the best man won and why wouldn’t fans want the best players starting?
Joe gets where Cummings is coming from, especially if Glennon truly has improved. One can only imagine what Glennon could lure in draft picks because there are teams more desperate for a QB than David Lee Roth is to find his singing voice.
But here is the thing: You are Lovie Smith and Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht. You just saw your team finish 2-14 with tens of millions of Team Glazer dollars burned on three slugs who were dreadful players.
And the team invested how much into an exhaustive background investigation on Jameis to make him the No. 1 overall pick? Now you look Team Glazer square in the face and tell them a backup quarterback of a 2-14 team beat out your No. 1 pick?
Jiminy Christmas!
June 15th, 2015 at 8:05 am
The team was 2-14 last year and Glennon was the Back Up then.
Even if he IS better this year,
NEVER do you use the Number One Pick on a guy that will sit the bench his first year… NEVER
Glennon = Quality Back-up
June 15th, 2015 at 8:12 am
sorry Charlie, aint gonna happen, jameis is the #1 PICK AND TAMPA’S FUTURE. he will be starting from jump street!! now I am happy to see glennon improving and I really pulled for him last season, but lets face it he couldn’t beat out Mcclown how the hell can he beat out a man who has lost 2 games since high school.
June 15th, 2015 at 8:18 am
Doesn’t matter who is better. Doesn’t matter what Lovie said about competition. There is no competition for starting QB, just like there wasn’t any competition for any position last year. Last year Lovie knew the starters before they landed in Tampa.
June 15th, 2015 at 8:43 am
Lions, Tigers and Bears — Oh my!!!!!!!!
June 15th, 2015 at 8:43 am
Glennon always looked good in underwear though didn’t he? When he starts getting a pass rush on him is when looks average.
June 15th, 2015 at 8:43 am
There’s more to quarterbacking than accuracy on one given day in underwear football. There’s leadership and the ability to make those around you better.
June 15th, 2015 at 8:45 am
It seems like Mr. Cummings wants to write something different from everyone else. Glennon won’t beat Jameis.
June 15th, 2015 at 8:47 am
Well said Other Side of the Coin…
June 15th, 2015 at 8:49 am
I would hope that Glennon, after 3 seasons now, could beat out a rookie in his first week throwing professional passes. Wake me in August.
June 15th, 2015 at 8:52 am
May the best man win. I haven’t been a huge Glennon fan. He’s looked like a good backup QB but not starter quality to me. However, if he cleaned up a few issues and the game starts slowing down for him, I can see him being the better QB right now. I like Winston, but he’s a rookie. Patience. I’d rather not throw him to the lions before he’s ready. Glennon gives us that luxury if he’s really improved his play.
June 15th, 2015 at 8:52 am
Let’s see how they look after the pre-season. If Glennon has gotten over being jittery in the pocket (assuming there is one), then I can see letting him have a game or two while Jameis gets more familiar with the offense and the speed of the game. That will also get him past some of those formidable defenses that he would be facing those first two weeks.
June 15th, 2015 at 8:53 am
Oh Glennon was clearly better then Mcclown. Lovie was the problem last year. He knew by playing josh they would be getting a high draft pick. Lovie sacrificed wins last year. I believe Lovies intentions started out thinking Mcclown was going to be the man and quickly found out otherwise that’s when the sacrifice began. He didn’t want to get his best Qb hurt that’s why josh was left in the rest of the year. Plus the high draft possibility. Lovie might be a little smarter then we think.
June 15th, 2015 at 8:54 am
Jameis lost 2 games? I only know of one game (Oregon Rose Bowl)he has lost since high school.
June 15th, 2015 at 9:02 am
He was drafted #1 so he HAS to start! This is the problem with this league. How can Jameis develop? Is it sooo wrong for a rookie to sit his first year?
This wouldn’t even be a conversation if the story was about Jameis being head and shoulders above the competition. The better QB should start, PERIOD. We wasted a year with McCown, please don’t make the same mistake.
June 15th, 2015 at 9:02 am
One word…..practice.
June 15th, 2015 at 9:05 am
This is great news for a potential Glennon trade…..the need for QBs will rise when injuries occur……
June 15th, 2015 at 9:06 am
Why does everyone assume Tedford offense is closer to Koetter’s than Randy Sanders/Jimbo’s Offense? I know MG had Koetter’s playbook a few weeks earlier but I don’t see how that’s going to make that big a difference by game 1. Mike upper hand now is his NFL experience, familiarity with the receivers and it’s only OTA practice. Jameis will be starting game one, barring injury.
June 15th, 2015 at 9:11 am
The Mike Glennon Mob have ear to ear smiles on their faces right about now, at least what is left of them. I know I do. This aint good news for the anti MG8 majority, or maybe it is since how can any Bucs fan not pull for their backup QB they have penciled in at that spot. I agree it probably won’t last, but right now I’m liking it.
June 15th, 2015 at 9:13 am
If Glennon clearly looks this much improved, I could easily see Lovie starting him against the Titans opening day. For no other reason than to show him off to a quarterback desperate team that would give up a 2nd rounder for him.
I seriously doubt it will happen though, simply because Glennon’s not that good.
June 15th, 2015 at 9:20 am
I think Carson Palmer was the last 1st overall draft pick to not start on game 1! Thats funny cause I think of MG8 as a Carson Lite. He just needed to tighten up his spiral to really become accurate with the deep and longer routes!
June 15th, 2015 at 9:26 am
Look Glennon is a good qb but my only concern is how he performs when under pressure especially if our O line isn’t in top shape yet this season. i know he performed in pittsburgh and all but I just can’t think of mike coming through when the game is on the line like jameis did in basically every FSU game last year.
June 15th, 2015 at 9:29 am
Behind the truth and facts lies the ugly reality that S & L have directed the investment of owners’ millions of $$. Sure, I think MG8 should get a chance to start if he earns it and then wean JGod into the mix slow and easy. Won’t happen. $$$$$$ we venerate you.
June 15th, 2015 at 9:37 am
It’s sooooooo early, but if you don’t think Jameis is going start week 1… Then you MUST be off your meds mate. He’ll pass Glennon like he’s standing still (no pun intended) and more likely sooner then later. Tampa is a target rich environment, with 3 pillars of 6 foot 5 monsters (sorry Tim 6’4″, but welcome back) and the addition of versatile Afro ninja Kenny Bell, who there’s been talk of him moving from the slot to the outside to create missmatches with either Evans or Jackson occupying the inside. Improvement to the line is key, yes we know, but it’s looking a whole lot better if you ask me! Also, the waiver wire continues to make me salivate. What little nugget of Christmas gold will football clause break into my house and eat my cookies and drink my……. Whoooa there boy!!! What “GIFTS” the waiver wire will bring, is what I was trying to get across!
Well I must say, for having crappiest season in the NFL it’s been pretty awesome… Well the perks that come with it that is. Never again tho! Never again.
June 15th, 2015 at 9:53 am
Not a big surprise considering Koetter’s familiarity and success with Matt Ryan who Glennon’s game has some similarities to. Thing is I’m about as big a MGM fan as there is here but take no solace in him playing better then Winston so far because (1) I totally expected it and (2) with Lovie “the Gifter” Smith as HC, Jason “I’ve got me a Jameis bone!” Licht as GM, and Team “we need to generate fan enthusiasm and sell ugly jerseys!” Glazer as owners Glennon almost certainly will be Winston’s backup opening day regardless if he’s playing better than the rookie. Number one pick = shiny new toy.
June 15th, 2015 at 9:56 am
This is what we heard all last year and the year before. Captain Checkdown is tearing it up on the practice field. Yeah when you check down chances are you complete more passes but when the regular season rolls around it wont help you at all. Exhibit last years QB play. He was almost as bad as McCown.
June 15th, 2015 at 10:05 am
What is everyone’s fascination with trading Glennon? You can’t be serious! If you have watched ANY football over the last decade you would know that we are always one play away from the back-up. And with our offensive line……whew! Stop the hate, embrace the MG8! (Sorry! I couldn’t resist!)
He will be on this team next season. Who else you got?!!!
June 15th, 2015 at 10:07 am
Vote For Pedro
June 15th, 2015 at 10:18 am
I don’t care who starts as long as we win, and with a first round pick sitting on the bench with the QB coach and wanting to play like he does will only drive him to excel.
Plus with our OL is might be better until they gel.
June 15th, 2015 at 10:34 am
Likely because Glennon could fetch a decent draft pick who may be a starter. On a 2-14 team with plenty of holes, a starter is always a priority over a backup quarterback.
June 15th, 2015 at 10:34 am
Some people need to do just a LITTLE research before they parrot other peoples’ drivel. Glennon was #1 (that means he was at the top) of QBs in % of passes thrown OVER 15yds (33% per Advanced Football Analytics).
I would also guess that these same people NEVER played QB in organized football. They run the play that is GIVEN to them and take what what the defense allows. If anything, Arroyo had him throwing deep too often.
*IF* Glennon has to play because of injury to Winston (make no mistake that Winston WILL start), then I hope these same people have plenty of blood pressure meds.
June 15th, 2015 at 10:37 am
THIS…
“And the team invested how much into an exhaustive background investigation on Jameis to make him the No. 1 overall pick? Now you look Team Glazer square in the face and tell them a backup quarterback of a 2-14 team beat out your No. 1 pick?”
…is risible and completely unfair. Glennon outplayed McCown by a ton, but McCown was Lovie’s guy and Lovie stuck with him though thin and thinner (and anorexic). Glennon may never start again, but he damn well should have started last year.
Glennon 2014 QBR: 83.3. McCown: 70.5. TD/INT: 10/6 vs 11/14. Just an enormous drop-off from MG to McCown. Horrendous coaching and/or conscious tanking is the only reason Glennon didn’t play 16 games last year.
June 15th, 2015 at 11:01 am
Trading MG would be a huge mistake. He’s the best backup possible for the Bucs. The team is finally getting some decent coaching and personnel around him. If Winston goes down, he will be valuable. I believe this team can win with either of them.
June 15th, 2015 at 11:37 am
Even if Glennon badly outplays Winston during training camp and pre-season and looks like the much better QB, Winston will still be the starter
June 15th, 2015 at 12:03 pm
” Jameis Winston is still having some difficulty at times. He’s throwing behind guys and over guys.”
This is one of the faults I pointed out on Jameis before the draft. People said he was accurate, but his ball placement was way off. It’s something he’ll have to improve on.
June 15th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
I guess Winston isn’t as good as the holes fans expected him to be. Should have drafted Mariota.
June 15th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
This is a non-issue. Glennon has thrown to these guys before and has ha months longer with the playbook. Give the kid a few months and this is over.
June 15th, 2015 at 12:36 pm
Parnell’s Dickenson Says:
June 15th, 2015 at 10:37 am
THIS…
“And the team invested how much into an exhaustive background investigation on Jameis to make him the No. 1 overall pick? Now you look Team Glazer square in the face and tell them a backup quarterback of a 2-14 team beat out your No. 1 pick?”
…is risible and completely unfair. Glennon outplayed McCown by a ton, but McCown was Lovie’s guy and Lovie stuck with him though thin and thinner (and anorexic). Glennon may never start again, but he damn well should have started last year.
Glennon 2014 QBR: 83.3. McCown: 70.5. TD/INT: 10/6 vs 11/14. Just an enormous drop-off from MG to McCown. Horrendous coaching and/or conscious tanking is the only reason Glennon didn’t play 16 games last year.
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Yet, many still claim that he couldn’t beat out McCown! SMH.
In fact, this charter member of the MGM is not smiling at all at the Cummings’ comment. All I could do all year long was SMDH while watching McCown.
I still hope (for his sake), that MG8 gets traded.
tickrdr
June 15th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
BuccaneerBonzai
I was literally going to type this exact statement. Jameis’ receivers always have to stop in their routes and shift their bodies backwards to catch the ball. This scares me
June 15th, 2015 at 12:58 pm
Let’s all calm down.. There’s still a long way to go before the season starts..
June 15th, 2015 at 1:27 pm
@Joe- good point, however, do you sacrifice another season for an unknown? Think about it, where else is depth more important than QB? You have to build a winner.
Again I ask, who else do we have?! If Jameis goes down, who do you turn to? That “decent draft pick who may be a starter” is no good to you then. Glennon, for what its worth, is a proven commodity. There is no reason to ship him for draft picks unless you are 100% sure that A. Jameis can play B. Jameis won’t get hurt, or C. You get the deal of the century.
Anything less than a 3rd round pick is absolutely (in this context) ludacris.
June 15th, 2015 at 1:50 pm
Cummings had to write something to support his moronic statement a few weeks ago that Winston still has to compete with glennon. of course he’s gonna talk about how bad Winston look and how good glennon looks. glennon always shines in underwear football then shows his true colors when he’s facing a real pass rush, Winston has nothing to worry about he’ll start day one
June 15th, 2015 at 5:48 pm
Bucsfanman:
Any team that has to turn to a backup is screwed. Hard to justify keeping a QB that might be able to bring a starter at another position when you are trying to rebuild.
What is more important, a backup quarterback or a starting center that is capable of ensuring your backup quarterback never sees the playing field?
There is no such thing as a guy riding the pine who is more important than a starter at another position.
June 15th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
I’ll be honest I like the fact that glennon is doing really well right now and putting up a fight for the starting job, but given all of the time we invested in Jameis and after using the #1 pick on him, if he knows the whole offensive playbook cover to cover, Jameis should be the starter week one. Then at least we will have a quality backup in glennon. It would be a waste of a year sitting Jameis if he knows the whole playbook, and from what I’ve seen, he is religious about studying so he should be the week one starter
June 15th, 2015 at 6:00 pm
Aaron Rodgers “rode the pine” for four years behind Brett Favre. I think the Packers are happy they didn’t trade him for some other starter. I know………
Glennon is no Aaron Rodgers, but until he got to play no one else knew he would be “Aaron Rodgers” either.
tickrdr
June 15th, 2015 at 6:43 pm
*I* would not trade Glennon for anything less than a ‘starting’ O-lineman. There is no other position that will make/break the 2015 season for the Bucs. The chances are very slim that they are going to do anything more than ‘scare’ a couple of teams this year unless the O-line is greatly improved.
As many times as Joe has pounded his fist about the importance of the QB position, I do not understand why he believes the backup can be Bob Nobody. The argument that the team is screwed if the starting QB goes down is true ONLY if he is the SOLE reason the ‘team’ is winning. If he is the sole reason for them winning, then the team is not going very far.
If the ‘team’ has a competent backup (Griese/Morrall), they can still be a force to be feared.
Starting lineman or second round pick. Anything less would be gambling and Lovie/Licht, so far, have not shown that they can even win 50% of the time at a coin-flip.
June 15th, 2015 at 6:55 pm
Nice try Joe. But your backup becomes the starter and just because you have people on the line does not stop your starter from pulling a hammy, twisting an ankle or any other injury. It is still 50/50 if that draft pick will work out. Your already crying about Marpet. So if Winston goes down I think you keep the backup you trust. Not trade him.
June 15th, 2015 at 10:22 pm
You play the better qb. Quit this desperate attemp to make mike glennon look like he is the reason this team was 2 and 12. If kotter were here last season glennon would have been starting. Im glad they got winston but I never doubted glennon. I doubted the coaching more than anything.
June 15th, 2015 at 10:59 pm
Let them battle it out. Let the best guy play. Pretty simple. If it’s Jameis, so be it…if it’s Glennon, fantastic! Either way, the best guy plays!
June 16th, 2015 at 7:23 am
It’s amazing how much time is wasted on pointless articles by you so called reporters always interested in contraversy. You said you see one practice a week, sir you are a idiot!
June 16th, 2015 at 8:40 am
@Joe- again, you’re talking draft picks. How do draft picks help us now? If you trade Glennon and Jameis goes down, how does next year’s draft pick help? You can trade him in the off-season or, since he’s so highly valued as a back-up, keep him.
I guess we’ll just agree to disagree. 🙂
June 16th, 2015 at 8:44 am
They don’t, just like most rookies don’t help a team in their first year. If you are expecting this team to make a Super Bowl run this year, Joe’s pretty sure you are going to be stressed out this fall. This team is in full blown rebuild mode, as it should be.