Parcells Has A Question About Jameis
May 7th, 2015
Bucs historians know Team Glazer was obsessed with Hall of Fame head coach/personnel guru Bill Parcells. They yearned to ink “The Tuna” on multiple occasions.
So Team Glazer might want to hear what Parcells is saying about Jameis Winston.
Parcells is an excellent interview and had a raw yet refined take on Jameis during his recent chat with BSPN Radio.
Parcells lamented the plight of young, highly-drafted quarterbacks like Jameis and Marcus Mariota. He acknowledged they’ll likely be rushed onto the field because everyone wants to see them play, from fans to ownership. “And that may not be in the player’s best interest, really,” he said.
Jameis, however, has a more friendly situation, Parcells said.
“Some guys go into situations where they have a good cast. And I think Jameis Winston, you know, he’s going to have some pieces down there offensively to, you know, kind of assist him. They’ve got a good receiving corps. They got a runner. It looks pretty good. The question with him to me is he’s not real elusive; he’s going to get hit in the pocket. Can he take a beating like Ben Roethlisberger can take it? And if he can, he’s going to be a great player. Because he can throw the ball.”
Jameis took his share of beatings in college, but Joe’s not about to pretend that’s an NFL beating. It’s not. It’s nowhere close.
What Joe can say is Jameis played through a bad ankle last season, in addition to a beating from the media. That was a great early sign.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:06 am
I think Fameis is being undersold mobility wise. No he’s not as athletic and fast as Mariota, Wilson or Rodgers, but he IS elusive. He seems pretty adept at letting the blows glance off of him instead of taking direct hits.
It’s clear he’s not going to outrun anybody but he might out “manipulate” them long enough to throw the ball away without taking a bad pounding.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:07 am
can he handle the beating from the “Big Frog” on wdae?
May 7th, 2015 at 11:08 am
Why is none talking about the first round tackle Collins that no one drafted? To me it’s the biggest blunder by 32 clubs I have ever witnessed. Any team could have used thier last pick and essentialy had a extra top 15 pick. It’s mind boggling.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:08 am
lol that’s the question that you could asked about every quarterback in the history of the nfl including manning…..no one worries about whether he could take a hit right now at his age so why is it an issue for a 21 yr old kid, he cant be more brittle than mariota, he’s got plenty of padding
May 7th, 2015 at 11:09 am
Why are people still questioning his ability to play the position? #GOAT
May 7th, 2015 at 11:15 am
Winston is as elusive as he needs to be. Let’s not mask needing the QB to be elusive with needing the O Line to be competent. McCown was mobile and elusive supposedly, right? I don’t care if you have Michael Vick in his prime speed, NFL DE’s and LB’s will hurt you. All this talk about Mariota and his spped will become problematic because the last time I checked Russell Wilson was the exception not the rule.
On another topic, with all the crAZY INTEREST IN l
May 7th, 2015 at 11:17 am
@bill
“I may be slow in that 40 but on that field I’m deadly.” – Jameis Winston
May 7th, 2015 at 11:19 am
Whoops.
Let me continue that last thought. With all the crazy interest in La’El Collins, why the heck wouldn’t the Bucs have drafted him in the 7th round. Would you rather have taken the chance that Collins would be a non-suspect or would you rather draft Joey Iosefa?
May 7th, 2015 at 11:19 am
WyomingBucsFan …we’ve been talking about.
No team took him because he said if he got drafted past the 3rd round he would not sign with that team.
Is your mind un-boggled now?
May 7th, 2015 at 11:19 am
Jamies a country boy,they tend to be built to withstand contact he’ll be just fine.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:21 am
Bucs1987, Where is the documented quote from the agent?
May 7th, 2015 at 11:23 am
WyomingBucsFan …if you watched the NFL draft. That’s what was said. You can google for it yourself if you like. We’ve already gone over this 2 days ago on here.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:27 am
It was actually said multiple times during the draft. Not just once.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:29 am
I guess we all should just believe what the talking heads say. Not me
May 7th, 2015 at 11:29 am
I would have drafted him anyway. If he doesn’t want to play for me, he can sit or I can trade his rights for a much higher pick. As far a I know, he is out of eligibility, he either plays for his drafting team or nobody. I would’ve spent a 7th. Even if it was 50/50 he’s charged with murder, there’s still a far better chance of success than most other 7th rounders.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:30 am
Glennon took several pretty hard hits last year as did McCown…..I’m not sure elusiveness is the key to avoiding injury…..much of it is simply plain luck….even the strongest, most fit get injured in the right circumstance.
Certainly, the more protection, the less opportunity.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:32 am
Exactly Brandon, every team dropped the ball on this big time.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:36 am
@wyomingbucsfan @Brandon
Obviously y’all are right. That’s why after a year of contemplation, Bo Jackson went on to have a Hall of Fame career for the Bucs..
May 7th, 2015 at 11:38 am
Celly Says:
May 5th, 2015 at 4:41 pm
Ill help break it down:
If Collins had been drafted by a team in the rounds 4-7, like he stated he did not want to be, he would’ve had the opportunity to not sign with said team that drafted him, sit out the year and then re-enter into the 2016 draft with the hopes to be drafted higher.
By him not being drafted at all, he is now forced to be an Undrafted Free Agent. As such, he is not eligible to re-enter into the 2016 NFL Draft and must sign with a team as a UDFA if he wants to play this year.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:40 am
What a bunch of smart asses in here. How does the Bo Jackson situation compare? Collins could have been traded if he refused to sign.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:40 am
It told very clearly to every team by his agent if he was drafted after the 3rd round he would not sign period. He would have the choice to enter the draft next season and be a 1st round pick so why would he. The NFL said he couldn’t enter next years draft IF he went undrafted. It’s not too hard to understand. YOU are not smarter than the people getting paid millions of dollars that do this for a living. Has everyone always thought they were so damn smart or is it the internet that makes everyone such a expert on everything?
May 7th, 2015 at 11:43 am
@Bucs1987
Get your facts together, he can no longer be drafted ever agin. I thought followed the news.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:43 am
From PFT
Posted by Josh Alper on May 2, 2015, 12:08 PM EDT
La’El Collins’s agent said Friday that his client would not sign with a team if he’s drafted after the third round in order to allow him to re-enter the draft in 2016 and we may find out if there’s a team willing to see if Collins changes his mind.
Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Collins is “likely” to be drafted at some point in the final four rounds. If Collins were to go undrafted, he wouldn’t be eligible to be drafted again in 2016 and would become a free agent.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:44 am
WyomingBucsFan…YES but that’s not what he THOUGHT during the draft process.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:46 am
If anything Collins agent dropped the ball, not NFL teams.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:47 am
what beating?!?!? NFL rules state that pretty much breathing on a quarterback to hard is a 15 yard penalty.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:48 am
I’m no Jameis lover but his pocket awareness & pocket movement are (just) a notch below elite. He’s a horrible athlete but so is Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc. I’m more concerned about his delivery & mechanics than whether he can escape a rush.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:48 am
@Bucs1987
You lost the argument when you said Collins could be drafted agin.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:50 am
Amen, Tuna! Playing any rookie QB behind this offensive line is a recipe for creating a bust. Play Glennon all year, finish with another Top-5 pick, and take OL in rounds 1,2,&3 in 2016. If those guys pan out in the 2016 season, then you play Winston in 2017. He’ll still be very young (23) going into the 2017 season.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:52 am
I don’t remember who the game was against, but I distinctly remember Winston taking off from the pocket and bouncing off two or three tacklers and leaping over another for a TD.
Looked like pretty good escape ability to me but I’m just a layman.
Besides, I’d rather have a QB who feels the pressure and gets rid of the ball safely before he has tacklers draped all over him and he makes a stupid mistake.
I saw that plenty of times last year in McClown.
I remember in the Bears game where he rolled out of the pocket with a defender behind him and was holding the ball low in one hand looking downfield. Of course it was stripped.
Then there was the first game against Carolina. There were others as well.
May 7th, 2015 at 11:53 am
He’s a horrible athlete. LOL
May 7th, 2015 at 11:56 am
WyomingBucsFan…where did I say that?
May 7th, 2015 at 12:00 pm
WyomingBucsFan….This, this explains it for you. Read it twice, read it 3 times if you have to, so you can understand what took place. It’s really not all that hard to figure it out.
If Collins had been drafted by a team in the rounds 4-7, like he stated he did not want to be, he would’ve had the opportunity to not sign with said team that drafted him, sit out the year and then re-enter into the 2016 draft with the hopes to be drafted higher.
By him not being drafted at all, he is now forced to be an Undrafted Free Agent. As such, he is not eligible to re-enter into the 2016 NFL Draft and must sign with a team as a UDFA if he wants to play this year.
May 7th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
It’s pretty obvious that teams didn’t even want to gamble a 7th round pick (some had multiple compensatory picks) on Collins…..all 32 teams including his home team the Saints.
They must have felt either they couldn’t sign him therefore wasting a pick….or that there was a chance they were drafting a murderer….a gamble they just simply weren’t prepared to take.
Sure, in hindsight, now apparently cleared….perhaps a 3rd round pick would have done the trick.
I think his agent made a mistake claiming he wouldn’t sign and that he would enter the 2016 draft without knowing that wasn’t going to be possible.
I am uncertain if the NFL rules are ironclad on this issue or if there will be a dispute.
May 7th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
@Bucs1987
Adam Schefter told me! Lol
May 7th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
lmao at Jonny Dejay comment. Might as well target 2027 as the year the team is finally rebuilt.
Winston will be fine. Mariota actually does worse against pressure even with his mobility. He took twice as many sacks last year as Winston despite his fast 40 time; his teams superior run game; and having a decent O-line with a few NFL draftees.
May 7th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
If a team drafted Collins in the seventh round it would have allowed him to sit out the entire 2016 season and reenter the draft next year, per NFL rules…
His agent stated that if Collins was drafted after round 3 he would not play and would reenter the draft next year…
Since no team wanted to risk a third round pick on a potential murderer it was beneficial to the NFL that no team draft him…
This way he is able to enter the league as an undrafted rookie free agent with any team he chooses…
Since he did not get drafted it prevents him from holding out and waiting for next years draft…
I hope this clears it up…
May 7th, 2015 at 12:06 pm
I think the hole thing looks like a railroad job by the media against Collins on draft day. I don’t belive anything was said at all by him or his agent. Sounds like speculation by commentators on draft day to keep the brodcast interesting.
May 7th, 2015 at 12:06 pm
WyomingBucsFan…you’re making no sense what so ever. I’m done trying to explain it to you.
You’re right and all 32 NFL teams are wrong.
May 7th, 2015 at 12:07 pm
First you said his agent never said such a thing, then I show you where his agent said it.
You can’t be helped.
May 7th, 2015 at 12:09 pm
@Celly…you said all I had to do was copy and paste that. Thne they would understand in the future…
Guess what? Some them still don’t get it!
May 7th, 2015 at 12:10 pm
Whole*
May 7th, 2015 at 12:11 pm
Yeah, I don’t get people that can’t see past their own big nose
May 7th, 2015 at 12:12 pm
@Wyoming-
That’s all the NFL teams knew during the draft (what 87 stated) that or he maybe guilty of a horrendous crime. Now if the NFL changed their mind recently and said he wouldn’t be eligible next year it’s beside the point. Mistakes like that cost GMs their job. Easy move for armchair GMs though.
Every media outlet reported that Collin’s agent told the team not to draft him after rd 3. That’s quite a conspiracy theory you’re spinning. You got to do better.
May 7th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
Stanglassman…it’s really not that hard to figure out is it?
I mean Celly broke it down in simple terms.
Okay I give up for now. Logging off.
May 7th, 2015 at 12:22 pm
Sometimes when everybody’s feeding you the cheese it’s hard not to eat it. – BILL PARCELLS, press conference, Jan. 2, 2007
May 7th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
Maybe for the same reason no one is talking about your blunder of comprehension. Its been stated time and time and time and time and time again…
Let me find what I wrote so I don’t have to rewrite it:
Makes sense now?
Except FACTS state that if he sits out the year, he can re-enter the draft the next year. Why completely throw away a draft pick when you have a guy that is willing to actually compete and play for the team?
Let me ask you this…Who is going to trade for a guy that isn’t going to play football and vowed to sit out?
Also, should the masses ignore the FACT that you CAN re-enter the draft the following year if you are drafted this year and do not resign???
May 7th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
LOL.
I didn’t say they would understand in the future…
I was just trying to make it easier for you, so that you wouldn’t have to stress out over the idiots that don’t understand FACTS AND RULES.
Next time, just copy and paste it. What I posted, like you said, is a clear and concise breakdown of why no team drafted him. If they can’t understand that, then there is no helping them.
May 7th, 2015 at 12:32 pm
What makes me feel good is when parcells said ” jameis really doesn’t have anything to prove”.
May 7th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
Please construct a re-do of the uniforms.
May 7th, 2015 at 12:45 pm
**** The following post is %100 pure speculation ****
Collins doesn’t appear to be the murderer. Unfortunately, there are other ways a person could have been involved. Few (if any) real facts are known right now. Add on the seemingly uninformed claim by the agent and you get a toxic situation that nobody cares to have their name associated with.
There are still many questions that need to be answered before teams begin to consider signing him.
May 7th, 2015 at 1:01 pm
why didn’t we just draft Collins in the 7th round….
jk jk jk 87
May 7th, 2015 at 1:11 pm
Good work guys, my work is done here for now. Lol
May 7th, 2015 at 1:34 pm
Go away Tuna.
May 7th, 2015 at 1:38 pm
Getting back to the article – I think Ben takes shots extending plays trying to find players semi open to rocket the ball to…it works for him / he is good at it. Ben doesn’t anticipate his throws well…I think Jameis does throw with anticipation – which leads to getting the ball out quicker and less hits. (in theory, we still need this offensive line to keep him clean for 2 seconds)
May 7th, 2015 at 2:54 pm
Okay got it guys. We’re beating a dead horse with Collins. I didn’t realize until I saw 87’s post that if he were drafted he could re-renter next year’s draft if he didn’t sign. Thanks 87. It’s a done deal anyway since he’s a Cowboy. Cowboys never hesitate to add a guy with questionable character. They probably would have signed him even if he was a person of interest.
May 7th, 2015 at 3:08 pm
Sigh.
May 7th, 2015 at 4:02 pm
Agree with a couple comments up the page, Winston will get heavy pressure resulting in sacks and potential picks. On the other hand I expect many roughing the QB calls on the opposing rushers.
May 7th, 2015 at 6:34 pm
The Cowboys would have signed him after he plead guilty!
May 7th, 2015 at 6:39 pm
The Tuna….1 of 2 coaches that left the Buccaneers at the altar, without ever scoring or giving up a single point.
May 7th, 2015 at 6:46 pm
Like Shaun King. One of two Bucs QBs to lose the NFC championship game when his defense only gave up 9 points!
May 7th, 2015 at 10:21 pm
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May 8th, 2015 at 12:41 pm
Hey Joe, thanks for the article. I had just asked about this last week here. You do good work!