Jameis Winston’s Other Offensive Coordinator
May 12th, 2015
Jameis Winston’s counterclaim against the woman accusing him of sexual assault is anything but typical.
Sam Harden, an accomplished attorney at Metcalf-Harden on Kennedy Boulevard in Tampa, has offered perspective on the civil counterclaim filed Friday by Jameis and his legal team. (Joe suggests you click through the link.)
Instead of just doing the typical “deny, deny, deny” defensive filings are known for, Winston’s lawyers go on the offensive. They use about 17 pages to provide a “preliminary statement” bashing Erica Kinsman’s claims against Winston and calling her a liar. Usually the introduction paragraph to an answer filed with the court reads like this: “COMES NOW so-and-so, by and through the undersigned attorneys, and files this, his Answer and Affirmative Defenses to Plaintiff’s Complaint, and states as follows:”. None of that here – Winston’s attorneys come out swinging:
“Ms. Kinsman is motivated by the most insidious objectives — greed.”“She has mounted a false and vicious media campaign to vilify Mr. Winston with the objective of getting him to pay her to go away.”“Kinsman simply told another new lie.”“Kinsman has taken her story out on six(6) test drives, adjusting it each time a lie is exposed and debunked.”It seems that Winston’s attorneys are using the first opportunity they can to show the judge (and the media, the public, and the potential jury pool) exactly what they think about this lawsuit filed against their client.
Again, there’s more via the link above.
For Joe, it’s interesting to note that Jameis is not trying to avoid the distraction a suit worded like this was going to cause. Also, his aggressive offensive stance, one he’s certainly entitled to, tells Bucs fans and the world that Jameis is playing to win, not sweep anything under the rug.
Joe believes this is an extension of who Jameis is.
Memo to Lovie Smith: Jameis is not the guy you get in the red zone and ask to hand off eight consecutive times. Young Jameis plays to win.
May 12th, 2015 at 12:06 pm
So I wonder if he wins this suit, are all the people who have been calling him a rapist going to change their tune? Of course I know they won’t, because it won’t fit their agenda.
May 12th, 2015 at 12:09 pm
Memo to Lovie Smith: Jameis is not the guy you get in the red zone and ask to hand off eight consecutive times. Young Jameis plays to win.
No truer words were ever written
May 12th, 2015 at 12:14 pm
I love it. Thank you kind Joes for the great story.
May 12th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
Not exactly the actions of a guilty man now is it? Only 4 people really know what happened that night (Kinsman, Winston, Casher, and Darby) and thus far, 3 of them have told the same story throughout while one has told multiple versions.
One thing that never gets talked about is Darby and Casher and their account of the evening. Keep in mind they were all freshman at the time so they were not long lost friends of Winston. He had never taken a snap as QB so it was impossible to know what he was going to become. She claims that Casher came in and told Jameis to stop at one point (keep in mind he was a linebacker and could of made him stop if he wanted).
Now, both Casher and Darby were highly recruited and both had NFL potential with Darby recently drafted as a junior. Does anyone really think that these two would risk their college and NFL careers as well as possible jail time for an unknown quantity QB that they had just met that year? Would they really risk lying to a court of law for Jameis? Never made sense to me and I believe it’s because his story has always been the truth.
May 12th, 2015 at 12:25 pm
Still waiting on this 2nd phantom accuser to come forward.
Another lie.
May 12th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
Good comments Jaboo. I can’t say I followed the story as closely as some but I am well aware that her story has changed multiple times. She not only has accused Jameis but she has also accused FSU, the Tallahassee Police, and the DA. It wreaks of either Financial gain and/or her regretting a decision she made.
May 12th, 2015 at 12:27 pm
I wonder if Lovie is going to have Jamesi work on his tackling technique…if you know what I mean…..
May 12th, 2015 at 12:30 pm
Not to mention that after all is said and done she hops on the back of his scooter and gets a ride back to her dorm. But forget all that, let’s just assume the black guy did it because we all know that’s what this is really about. I’m sure it makes everyone more comfortable that way.
May 12th, 2015 at 12:32 pm
Hey it’s Joe Joe! How’s the reading coming?
May 12th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
Infamous is such a good guy!!!
Puke.
May 12th, 2015 at 12:40 pm
Also, EK’s aggressive offensive stance, one she’s certainly entitled to, tells Bucs fans and the world that EK is playing to win, not sweep anything under the rug.
just sayin…
May 12th, 2015 at 12:40 pm
Hey Mariota Joe, where’s your evidence he’s a bad guy? Seriously, answer that question. I doubt he spends a lot of time trolling message boards like you which puts him one up on you in my book.
May 12th, 2015 at 12:45 pm
Captain Doom: not sure what your point is? She’s making a money grab and he’s having none of it. She’s entitled to come after him but if her story was so shaky to not warrant charges and she has since changed said story many times, what chance do you really think she has?
May 12th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
Captain Doom Says:
May 12th, 2015 at 12:40 pm
Also, EK’s aggressive offensive stance, one she’s certainly entitled to, tells Bucs fans and the world that EK is playing to win, not sweep anything under the rug.
just sayin…
She doesn’t care about winning anymore. She’s already lost multiple times.
May 12th, 2015 at 12:52 pm
my point was his statement could be spun either way.
just like his or her story.
she’s proven a liar and he’s proven criminal behavior. only his has been swept under the rug.
who know’s what happened. not saying jameis did it, but i am saying a lying ho has little chance to win the case.
May 12th, 2015 at 12:55 pm
Mariotta Joe. Puke.
May 12th, 2015 at 1:00 pm
JabooBuc that is what I have said about all of this. If I’m on a jury and the so called victim say’s ” He took me home on his scooter” my mind has been made up at that point. I’m sure all rape victims “catch” a ride home with their attackers!!!
May 12th, 2015 at 1:01 pm
Captain Doom: so your point is that because he took a hookup at a Publix then one could make the leap he could also be a rapist? Please explain.
May 12th, 2015 at 1:02 pm
I’m sorry Captain Doom – did you just say that Winston’s criminal behavior has been swept under the rug? Did you really just say that? Hmmmm…. seems to me I saw a story or 500,000 stories about Jameis recently. Criminal behavior too? Saying that would reference that he’s been charged with a crime – being “criminal” and all. hmmmm….
May 12th, 2015 at 1:05 pm
criminal behavior does not say he’s been charged with a crime.
on the flip side, being charged with a crime does not make one a criminal. not referencing myself though.
May 12th, 2015 at 1:07 pm
Captain Doom: still not following. Are you saying he should be worried that she will bring up his hookup at Publix? Seriously?
May 12th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
Jaboo…if you need me to present evidence to you that he’s not a good guy, you obviously (and purposely) haev your head up your ass. Don’t be disingenuous. But hey, if YOU would like him to date your daughter (or have her just happen to meet him in a bar one night), go for it. Maybe she’d be enamored with his table-top rap show. Or maybe she’ll get some free stuff. Yeah…you’re obviously, purposely disingenuous.
May 12th, 2015 at 1:18 pm
of course that will come up, as will the bb gun incident, the burger king incident, the yelling incident……..all of which paint him in the light of carrying himself as being above the average joe and doing as he pleases.
just playing devils advocate
May 12th, 2015 at 1:24 pm
I took the time to read the 63 page counter suit. My favorite part was this quote by EK attorney “oh by the way, once we settle (7million) you will never hear from my client again in the media or otherwise” or something to that extent. Winston’s lawyer referred to it as extortion several times.
May 12th, 2015 at 1:27 pm
Mariota Joe: just as I suspected you couldn’t answer the question. So basically, if his story proves out and the evidence certainly supports his story, you have a problem with a college student having premarital sex and cursing out loud.
I don’t pretend to know him personally but I trust Jimbo Fisher and Mike Martin who both said he is the type a guy that they would feel comfortable dating their daughter. With that being said, there are very few men based on what I know that I would let date my daughters. Based on what I know about you we can all assume you would be on that list.
May 12th, 2015 at 1:29 pm
In suppose now that Tom Brady is a confirmed cheater then we can make a leap to just about anything else right?
May 12th, 2015 at 1:42 pm
can we all agree that even if she went there with the intent to have sex that it does not mean she was not forced against her will.
I mean c’mon man. if I brought a girl home and we’re doing the dirty, but then I start to throat F her, she’s gonna tell me to stop
or if I shove it in the back door she very well may have a problem with it. either way at that point it is forced sex.
and would never be proven. but I would still be one morally F’d up person and should be held accountable. but alas, we will never know.
May 12th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
JabooBuc, please don’t feed the trolls
May 12th, 2015 at 1:56 pm
Mariota Joe is so pathetic it’s hilarious. He’s so desperate to hate Jameis, but he is losing comrades. Keep on doing your thing, it’s great comedy!
May 12th, 2015 at 2:17 pm
One day, even you hard core Infamous jock-sniffers will see what this POC truly is (but probably not unit his QBR drops to around 40).
Hawaiian….pathetic is being a hack for Infamous, because he can throw a football. I say what I say, not to keep “comrades”…I say it because it is truth. And it’s not funny at all.
May 12th, 2015 at 2:25 pm
I, for one, hope to see Mariota Joe using his time, daily, for many, many years to come, to talk about our face of the franchise, Jameis Winston.
It’s much like watching someone spit into the wind. Good stuff.
Thanks Mariota Joe. Truly.
May 12th, 2015 at 2:27 pm
“Captain Doom Says:
May 12th, 2015 at 1:42 pm
can we all agree that even if she went there with the intent to have sex that it does not mean she was not forced against her will.”
Certainly. And in this case, if you want to ignore the eyewitness (understandably), then we need to look at the rape kit. There was no bleeding, there no clear signs of forced intercourse.
There was however, redness on her knees and feet. Winston and the eyewitnesses testified that she performed oral on him. There was also Winston DNA found on her face.
Additionally, she continues to say she was drugged. She was tested for 172 drugs and metabolites, all negative.
But, hey, she said it happened right? The heck with science, aye?
May 12th, 2015 at 2:31 pm
It is not a good face. Only a very few locals see it that way.
And you’re welcome. I stick to my convictions, unlike some who have changed only because he was drafted.
May 12th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
Doom…how about commenting with some of the key FACTS that actually already prove her not to be credible. Here you go…Rape Kit, medical exam, and toxicology, all taken day 1 of the allegation, do not support her claim. Rape kit was not conclusive of rape, medical exam did not show signs of being hit on head as she originally claimed, but did show signs that could be consistent with someone performing on their knees, and the toxicology was negative for over 100 different types of drugs as she originally claimed being drugged. Any of those 3 come back showing her story to be true and Jameis isn’t playing football right now and we aren’t having this conversation. She met him in the bar and gave him her number, but then couldn’t describe him a few hours later and could a month later. There is a lot more as well, but I’m not going to spell out the SAO report. Try reading it yourself and then make an educated comment like Former Chief Justice Harding did.
Former Supreme Court Chief Justice Harding used the same standards, which are less than criminal standards, as a civil court will use and he found no wrong doing. That’s a pretty strong indication that she isn’t credible. Harding isn’t going to stake his reputation on a 20 year old kid at the time.
Tired of all the people like you who don’t even comment on the facts and use all speculation.
May 12th, 2015 at 2:36 pm
And for those of you that don’t believe Infamous to be a polarizing figure…The Great Divider….let me refresh you with this TBO article from March 2015
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/how-polarizing-is-jameis-winston/2220719
May 12th, 2015 at 2:44 pm
“Mariota Joe Says:
May 12th, 2015 at 2:31 pm
It is not a good face. Only a very few locals see it that way.
And you’re welcome. I stick to my convictions, unlike some who have changed only because he was drafted.”
“Mariota Joe Says:
April 28th, 2015 at 5:26 pm
I care about the TEAM more than I care about Infamous, however, I simply cannot root for a team that decides to make him the face of the franchise”
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.What’s that again about your convictions? Seems like you just say things but don’t stick to them.
May 12th, 2015 at 2:46 pm
I am not sure who JW attorney is but this is bad legal strategy hence why it is never done as inferred by JBF.
He will settle this and it will go away.
May 12th, 2015 at 2:50 pm
There it is again! THe u’uko iho makani. It’s been gently blowing through a few threads since yesterday…
May 12th, 2015 at 3:23 pm
Who cares if Jameis is polarizing? So are books you big dummy! The Cowboys, Patriots, Steelers and Packers are polarizing. That’s what typically happens when you win. Trolls like you sit around and wait for winners to fail so they proclaim themselves all knowing by predicting failure. We all fail at times so if you constantly look for it you will find it.
May 12th, 2015 at 3:26 pm
Great post Eric Hughes!
May 12th, 2015 at 3:43 pm
172 drugs and their metabolites, to be precise.
May 12th, 2015 at 4:05 pm
you ladies keep saying she isn’t credible…read the report blah, blah.
I read it. I have started to lean your way.
BUT there is still no proof that she did not say no at some point or that “something very bad happened that night”
you all give winston a pass, even though his credibility is no better than hers based on him taking what he wants when he wants it.
don’t let anyone even suggest it could have happened lest they be labeled a hater or ignorant.
May 12th, 2015 at 4:14 pm
To Love and Warrick…obviously you have no reading comprehension skills.
To JabooBuc….True, the Cowboys/Steelers/Pats/Pack are poloarizing I suppose….BUT NOT IN THEIR OWN HOME TOWNS
May 12th, 2015 at 4:16 pm
Doom, no one is saying that it couldn’t have happened but that his story (which has not changed) is stronger and actipually supported by evidence. You are correct in that ultimately this is a she said/he said. However, regardless of actual evidence, most people that have not actually read the case have jumped to the conclusion that Jameis is a rapist.
What Jameis supporters are saying is that this is not only unfair but unlikely. I have actually heard people say they know he is guilty because most women do not lie about such things. I know you must know how stupid that sounds. I could just as easily say I know he didn’t do it because most men don’t rape women. Again, stick to the facts of the case. What has she claimed and what is supported by evidence. As Eric Hughes says above, all of her claims have been tested and are supported.
May 12th, 2015 at 4:16 pm
…and please excuse my typo above
May 12th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
Captain Doom Says:
May 12th, 2015 at 4:05 pm
BUT there is still no proof that she did not say no at some point or that “something very bad happened that night”
Why do you assume that something bad happening is a negative against Winston? He could have just as easily be alluding to Kinsman.
Also, am I the only one that smells Robert 9 around here?
May 12th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
Mariota Joe: do you even pause to think he may be falsely accused? Have you read the counter suit? All his other transgressions are so minor that I can promise you most people are guilty of the same type of transgressions at some point in their lives. If he is falsely accused, how can you not feel the slightest bit of sympathy for the kid? Just don’t get people like you.
May 12th, 2015 at 4:37 pm
“Mariota Joe Says:
May 12th, 2015 at 4:14 pm
To Love and Warrick…obviously you have no reading comprehension skills.”
So, you’re here to root against the Bucs? That’s the only other possibility.
So, please confirm, are you here to root against the Bucs? Because you already said if Jameis was taken that you couldn’t root for them.
May 12th, 2015 at 4:39 pm
someone ask for me?
May 12th, 2015 at 4:46 pm
Damn, like Beetlejuice up in this mofo.
May 12th, 2015 at 5:39 pm
Bobby Bowden’s words…….not mine……..”I think it’s a consensus among FSU fans and boosters that he was an embarrassment to the University”
May 12th, 2015 at 5:41 pm
Love and Warrick….I just can’t in good conscience root for Infamous. I just can’t “set aside” what an embarrassment he is….so I’m a Buc fan who has been forced to the sideline by Infamous.
May 12th, 2015 at 5:46 pm
Mariota… Why are you not on Titans site. You were wrong about who we would draft and your wrong about pretty much everything your spewing. Go follow your mute in Tenn. No one will miss your BS. See ya
May 12th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
If we are going to quote, let’s use the full quote, rather than the edited version that Pawwwwwwl tweeted:
“Well, I think it’s a consensus among Florid State fans, and boosters that he was an embarrassment in a lot of ways to the university”
The “in a lot of ways” qualifier is pretty important here.
Oh, and u’uko iho makani.
May 12th, 2015 at 5:57 pm
“Mariota Joe Says:
May 12th, 2015 at 5:41 pm
Love and Warrick….I just can’t in good conscience root for Infamous. I just can’t “set aside” what an embarrassment he is….so I’m a Buc fan who has been forced to the sideline by Infamous.”
So, as you stated previously, you no longer can root for the Bucs, correct?
May 12th, 2015 at 6:01 pm
Also, the whole question and answer:
Finebaum: “And certainly, discipline and off-field issues have always been out there and not to go back there to something close to you, but Jameis Winston was, many people felt like he was an embarrassment to your great university, Florida State. He won the Heisman, won a National Championship, he was the No.1 player chosen, but the controversy never seemed to leave him, including on the night when he was selected, he was sitting there in Bessmer Alabama on one of the greatest nights of his life and uh, he flashes the crab legs, and uh, what are your thoughts on Jameis Winston?
Bowden: (laughing) Well, I think it’s a consensus among Florid State fans, and boosters that he was an embarrassment in a lot of ways to the university. He won a lot of ball games, probably one of the best football players that ever attended Florida State, but he hurt himself off the field. The good news is that he’s young enough to get over that, ya know it, and he’s gotta do that. He just can’t make those junior high school decisions that he made while he was in college.
May 12th, 2015 at 6:05 pm
Mariota Joe: so glad you used the misquote by Finebaum of Bobby Bowden. It’s a great example of how the media, mainly ESPN, have attempted to railroad this kid. Accused of fixing games (nope, didn’t happen), selling autographs (nope, didn’t happen) killing Kennedy (nope, didn’t happen).
Where was your outrage when Talib played on this team? Jeremy Stevens? These are people that I believe were actually charged with crimes.
From now on you are Mariota Troll around here.
May 12th, 2015 at 6:24 pm
I will be the first to admit that I initially bought into the media’s narrative about Jameis. I honestly didn’t care to look into the matter in detail until he was a legitimate draft option for the Bucs. When the miserable season finally ended and the Bucs held the first pick, I wanted to know all I could about him and the allegation. I did not want the Bucs drafting a guy who was capable of rape as no fan does. After reading every single piece of information I could find about the alleged encounter, my eyes were opened quite a bit. I cannot see how anyone could possibly believe he is guilty of rape, unless they are mis/uninformed.
May 12th, 2015 at 7:15 pm
@mariotajoe
This is joebucsfan not joetitansfan get a clue because courage of your convictions to bash a man convicted of nothing the guy who just went first overall and will be here atleast as long as Glennon doesn’t make you seem like much of a bucs fan.
Even Glennon and mccown haters were given support until we watched them stink up the stadium
May 12th, 2015 at 7:23 pm
Why is Mariota’s name even on this blog at all. He is no different from Petty, Hundley or any other rookie QB that plays for another team. Winston is our guy so you have to deal with it.
May 12th, 2015 at 7:29 pm
Hahaha…..love all the attention guys….keep the love coming!!! JBF is glad to have me….increases his click count!!! Truth can be painful. I bring the truth. And it pains you Infamous jock sniffers. Bye!! Hockey time!!
May 12th, 2015 at 9:01 pm
I must say all the back and forth was better than the darn article !
All I can say is reading is fundamental! Those that read the facts, truely sounded competent. Those that don’t read the facts are always left to there convictions!
May 12th, 2015 at 10:45 pm
JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:
May 12th, 2015 at 12:27 pm
I wonder if Lovie is going to have Jamesi work on his tackling technique…if you know what I mean…..
Seek Help!
May 12th, 2015 at 11:34 pm
Stop feeding the troll people. Ignore and they become bored and go away. Engage and its like feeding a stray cat.
May 13th, 2015 at 2:24 am
Trash talk is cheap. The real game is played before a jury and then we will see.
May 13th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
Wrong Claud……no jury on this one. It’s a civil case.
May 13th, 2015 at 10:58 pm
JABOOB #3 IS A EFFIN PHONY! GIVE IT TIME.. HAS NOT PLAYED A DOWN IN THE NFL AND YOU PEOPLE PRAISE HIM. LOSERS.