Already Working To Trade Up?
April 29th, 2015
Will Jason Licht be involved in high stakes poker tomorrow night?
Joe hopes this is the last time he ever references the trade down crowd for the 2015 draft. It is such an onerous concept (this year), Joe wants to yack all over his keyboard.
Trading up, however, is a different concept altogether.
No, the Bucs cannot trade up from the top overall pick. But they can trade into the first round from their current position at No. 34, their pick in the second round.
In fact pickpocket-thwarting, Bucs-uniform-frowning, Allie-LaForce-smitten, Big-Ten-Network-hating, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball-box-score-reading, NPR-listening, filthy-hotel-staying, fight-instigating, barista-training Peter King, of Sports Illustrated, NBC Sports and TheMMQB.com fame claims the Bucs are indeed trying.
Remember the reports that Bucs general manager Jason Licht’s phone is ringing off the hook? Well, apparently those conversations are two-way talks.
2. I think Tennessee, Tampa Bay and Jacksonville, three of the first four teams in the second round, all have inquired with late-first-round teams about trading up into the bottom of the first round. I’ll be following that in the hours before the draft.
King rarely throws stuff against the wall. If he mentions it in a column, that often means he’s hearing it from reliable sources, and King’s contacts are some of the best in the NFL.
As they say in the television business, stay tuned.
April 29th, 2015 at 9:38 am
Would love for them to land Eric Kendricks or a center if they trade up.
However, overall I am not in favor of trading up. Jason Lost would give up too much, and we already have too many needs without enough picks.
April 29th, 2015 at 9:40 am
I would love to see the bucs find a way to pair Cam Erving from Florida State with Jameis Winston or DJ Humphries from Florida. However, thy probably will have to move up 5 to 10 spots to be able to grab one of those guys.
April 29th, 2015 at 9:41 am
What would be a reasonable trade for the bucs from beginning 2 to later 1?
April 29th, 2015 at 9:44 am
Being so high in the 2nd makes sense to trade up if you really like a player like one of the OT’s or Cam Erving. The teams at the end of the first may have a player in mind that will be available 4-5 picks later and be amenable to moving down and into a lower salary slot for a later round pick.
A late first also gives the Bucs the opportunity to get an extra year on the rookie contract, which former GM Dominik talked about being valuable. It’s a shame he sucked at taking players late in the first like Adrian Clayborn and Doug Martin who will both not have their options taken up. But in theory he was right.
April 29th, 2015 at 9:46 am
Trade up and get Cam Erving. You get a great center that can also play every other position on the line plus his famiarity win Jameis.
April 29th, 2015 at 9:46 am
If they play their cards right this is where you trade down and aquire more 2nd round picks last time I ckd we have no offensive line
April 29th, 2015 at 9:48 am
SOEbuc Says:
April 29th, 2015 at 9:41 am
What would be a reasonable trade for the bucs from beginning 2 to later 1?
Something like the Bucs 2nd rd pick and their 4th or 5th rd pick to move up about 5 to 10 spots. I’m all for it if there is an O Lineman that they love still available.
April 29th, 2015 at 9:50 am
Part of me would like to see Lovie land a stud DE by moving up to the 1st rd. The draft is said to be deeper for Dline than Oline. But we so desperately need OT help that I would hope that is more likely (you don’t draft C or OG moving up into the 1st unless they are studs).
L&L just scare the hell out of me with how unpredictable they are – ASJ and Sims last year when the Bucs so desperately need Oline help, and I screamed about it then…
April 29th, 2015 at 9:51 am
Be patient…..there should be plenty of players available to fill needs….actually, we could probably trade down a couple of slots….most of this depends on if we trade Martin or Glennon and recieve extra picks.
April 29th, 2015 at 9:53 am
Erving is a consensus top 20 pick. Do people realize how expensive it will be to get him? Far too expensive for a team with as many needs as this one. Even trading up 3 or 4 spots back into the 1st round will cost a 4th round pick.
April 29th, 2015 at 9:55 am
I have a feeling Licht would pay more than he should to move back into the first round. There will be good players available at the top of the second round. Several analysts think there are only 20 or so players with first round grades in this draft. Not sure if that’s accurate but there’s no need to reach for a player that might be available in the second round anyway. The only reason to make a trade is if there’s a player they have a high rating on that they feel won’t be there with their second round pick and they can’t get a comparable player by staying put.
April 29th, 2015 at 9:56 am
I am all for any trade up as long as Jason includes the incompetent lovie smith with the package. I’d rather see the lapdog build this team. he has a much better track record with players than the incompetent lovie smith does. All it takes is a little google research to see the players that Licht scouted in the past.
Full control equals full responsibility….
Bonzi before you start crying. I don’t hate lovie smith. I could care less about Lovie Smith. The only thing that matters to me is wins. Loive smith does not win. It’s not about hate it’s about Lovie being 100% incompetent and his 10 years of mediocrity proves that. Average Coach! Horrendous personnel man.
April 29th, 2015 at 9:56 am
I wonder how high the Bucs are on the development of the linemen we took in last year’s draft? I realize that they didn’t do much last year but they were late round picks and it’s to be expected that they wouldn’t be able to come in and start without solid line play around them. That’s why they went in the late rounds. Now that they have a year in, I wonder if the powers that be are happy with their development and don’t see the O line as the void that everyone else does from the outside. Could make a difference if we’re talking about moving back in to the first round. Might be the difference between moving up for a rusher or an OT
April 29th, 2015 at 9:58 am
Like many, I’d be a huge fan of moving up to get Erving. I’m extremely curious to see if we would pounce on Ray or Gregory if they were to fall to our pick in the 2nd round (people in Ray’s camp allegedly think hi falling is a possibility).
April 29th, 2015 at 10:00 am
I’m sure the Bucs will trade up in to the late first round if they see a player that they are high on.
But if nothing stands out it would be better to trade down and likely pick up a 3rd round pick & 5th round pick. to swap 2nd round picks with another team
April 29th, 2015 at 10:03 am
Just to trade from our 34th spot to the 26th with the Ravens would cost more than our 2nd, 4th and 5th, so no way we can afford that without trading MG8 or someone else (not going to get sp!t for Martin, and there is no one else of value we can afford to trade). And at 26th, there are no assurances Erving or Humphries are likely to be there.
So I hope for a trade of The Cannon, as he is our only reasonable trading piece, or that we remain where we are.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:04 am
Would love to see us trade down to a later pick in the 2nd and pick up a 3rd and something else. Then use our first pick in the third round to trade for AP. It’ll mean that the RB hungry teams will have picked up RBs in earlier rounds but if it falls that way it would be phenomenal
April 29th, 2015 at 10:12 am
Trading up is a lot like credit card debt. You have to pay it back with interest. Rarely works out for you in the long run.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:15 am
Good analogy. Better hit on the player then.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:15 am
I don’t think this is much of a “news flash”! There are always teams early in a round that look to move up to get a guy who is still on the board. It just depends on the guys still available!
April 29th, 2015 at 10:20 am
AP is costing at least a 1st round pick. And that’s not hyperbole, the Cardinals have pulled out because that’s what the Vikings want at a minimum. Again, the Vikings have zero incentive to trade AP, AP wants to be traded but so what? They aren’t going to, and he’ll accept his $16 million check. Getting him is going to cost a premium, one the Bucs cannot afford.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:21 am
if the bucs are willing to take risks giving up their 2nd round pick for shane ray would be worth the risk.
many experts see him falling to the 4th round. getting a top 5 pick from the first round in the 2nd round is still a good deal. that would meet lovie’s need for a pass rusher for a cheap price.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:22 am
Conversely, won’t teams who not at the top of the 2nd round be interested in trading up to get someone they like that wasn’t taken on Thursday?
April 29th, 2015 at 10:23 am
this is a pretty rich second round. i would be okay with the team trading down to the middle of the round and grabbing another late 2nd or early 3rd in the process
April 29th, 2015 at 10:25 am
It’s easy to demand a 1st rounder when no one has used their first rounders yet. If they’re looking at no other offers and they get a trade that includes essentially a late second round pick, and I’ll even throw in Dough Martin, for AP I would imagine that they would weigh that very heavily. Especially if they’re worried that AP might just sit the season out if they don’t trade him. I don’t know whether he’s said he would do it but I haven’t heard that he won’t. He seems pretty adamant about getting out of there.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:28 am
I would be OK with the draft just hurrying up and getting here already!!!
April 29th, 2015 at 10:32 am
If we want a starting caliber offensive tackle we may have to move up into the first round…
Clemmings, Peat, Humphries, Collins, Flowers and Smith could all be first rounders and several teams are looking for tackles…
We may get luckey and get Smith in the early second round…
I don’t want Obguehi and his broke knee…
April 29th, 2015 at 10:34 am
This is why I plan on staying till the end of the draft party, ag the stadium. I fully expect us to make some moves. Might have to include Glennon to get anywhere.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:39 am
If AP wants to give up $16 million and not play, the Vikes will laugh and say “That makes sense, you stole $16 million from us last year to not play”. AP is a petulant child (which of course begs the question: Would he switch himself?). His options are show up, or retire. And again, one of those options costs him $16 million. He has no leverage at all. Vikes aren’t trading him for the sake fo trading him. Remember they’re much closer to being a playoff team than we are, so why would they give away a top asset? Because he might take his ball and go home?
April 29th, 2015 at 10:41 am
The Bucs better trade Glennon before everyone finds out just how good he can be with a real OC & QB coach.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:42 am
Trade down, just not the first pick. We need more picks, not fewer!
April 29th, 2015 at 10:44 am
I have no doubt that the Bucs and other teams slated to pick at the top of the 2nd round are placing calls to see what it would cost to move up if a player they rated high began to fall as King suggested. It is the prudent move to make. But I do doubt the Bucs actually trade back into the 1st round. They have too many holes to fill and moving up will cost them picks they really cannot afford to give up absent that falling player they love. Rather, I see a trade down from the top of the 2nd. This draft is very deep on WRs. And they all won’t go in the 1st. So I see teams wanting to move up to get one of the top rated WRs where the Bucs, Titans, and Jags are picking in the 2nd.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:50 am
@bryce
@pick6
No one has more than one 2nd rounder currently. You can only hope to swap and get picks in another round or another year’s draft.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:50 am
I can see Bucs trading into 1st rd to get Gurley or Gordon, to set in place their QB, RB & WR for the future (3 amigos)
April 29th, 2015 at 10:56 am
Stupid to trade up back in the 1st just to get the 5 th year option on the rookie deal. For players that probably have 2 nc round grades anyway. Listening to multiple reports that they consider this a deep draft. At certain positions, there only about 20 players with 1st round grades. Should be looking to trade down in the 2nd. If we don’t walk away with T. Lockett in this draft it will be disappointing. We need a dominant slot, can move outside as well. Potential for a Special Team All Pro. Fills 3 voids for the team.
April 29th, 2015 at 11:05 am
Maybe Glennon and our second for a journeyman QB and their first round?
April 29th, 2015 at 11:20 am
Not a huge fan of trading up or down. If we trade back into the first, we loose draft picks that we need. If we trade down to gain picks, we risk getting lower quality players. Not to mention licht has not demonstrated he is any good at getting value out of a trade. I am happy to stick where we are and take Best player available.
April 29th, 2015 at 11:37 am
If this draft really is as deep as Lovie, Licht and most other people say it is, then the Bucs should trade down twice.
April 29th, 2015 at 11:54 am
All I have to say is where are all the haters Robert9, subparsam, Eric.. Etc. hilariouse.
April 29th, 2015 at 11:59 am
please trade BACK if anything. The players between 20 and 45 are pretty close.
April 29th, 2015 at 12:13 pm
The second round is loaded. I would rather see us stay put and trade up later into the second round. Kendricks or best available DE would be my target once we land an OL.
April 29th, 2015 at 12:27 pm
Belichik built the Pats by trading back.
April 29th, 2015 at 12:29 pm
R.O Tyler Lockett can be a dominant slot and has the return potential to change the game in special teams
April 29th, 2015 at 12:34 pm
Ive been saying it….trade up, even if you must use some picks from next year!
Especially if we can trade up for Peat or Collins.
We NEED a SS AND LT (please keep Dotson at RT). Many Guards available later w/o trading (Ali Marpet).
Most of all though, we’ll have a new QB, “hopefully” a franchise QB in Winston. And I hope he’s ready for it!
April 29th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
This draft has to be about protecting our new QB.
If they hade to trade Glennon, Martin, and picks 5-7- to squire
Cam Erving, Humphries, and tre Jackson
Then order the Beer! Day is over- job well done.
Some great Olineman from Florida Schools. Kids already used to heat/humidity in Tampa.
Flowers in Miami, Mathis is FSU, etc, Etc
Last year was skill position. This year is QB and oline.
Next year- DE and defense
April 29th, 2015 at 7:36 pm
Trade back in rounds 2-7! The more picks the better. Let’s see if L&L have some magic.