The I-Told-You-So Trio
April 30th, 2015
Here’s a riddle: What is something that three huge Bucs names don’t want to see, and will be given away at Joe’s draft party tonight?
It just wouldn’t be the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with comedy and drama entering the NFL Draft.
And this year’s edition is served up by two Bucs icons and a guy too many Bucs fans consider to be the devil.
Joe will let his Twitter account (which you should follow) do the talking.
What could be more fun? Jon Gruden, Tony Dungy and Mark Dominik seem in disbelief that the Bucs would pick Jameis over Marcus Mariota.
— JoeBucsFan (@JoeBucsFan) April 30, 2015
For those wondering, Dungy and Chucky are the icons, and the former Bucs rockstar general manager is the guy who gets all kinds of misguided hate. Regardless, they all are firmly in Marcus Mariota’s camp — and none has ever drafted and developed a true franchise quarterback.
The Bucs, of course, are ready to put the franchise in the hands of Jameis Winston, the anti-Mariota. It should happen in a matter of hours.
Dungy has called Mariota the next Aaron Rodgers and even likened him to Joe Montana. (Look for Joe to go off on that one later today). Chucky moved all-in on Mariota earlier this week, and Dominik, now a BSPN and SiriusXM NFL Radio star, questions Winston’s attitude and has been in his camp since Day 1.
Lovie Smith, another guy who’s never figured out the quarterback riddle, seems smitten by Winston.
Man, Joe sure hopes Lovie is on the mark. Stomaching the Bucs getting this historic pick wrong would be too much to bear.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:06 am
I am so glad that Mark Dominik is no longer making ANY decisions for the Bucs…
This team was a rudderless ship under his management…
April 30th, 2015 at 11:09 am
and the first pick of the 2015 draft is……. dante fowler lol
April 30th, 2015 at 11:11 am
What qb has lovie developed to make him an expert? I’m not saying Winston shouldn’t be the guy, just that this argument is weak. There are about 6 guys who have picked and developed a qb and they are all still working for NFL teams.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:11 am
@Buc1987
oh, so THAT’S what your jersey from Erick will look like.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:16 am
QBASE
April 30th, 2015 at 11:17 am
numbers say jameis will be a bust, mariota less likely to fail.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:17 am
No pressure in getting the pick wrong Lovie, it’s probably only the difference between the 2020 season being the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or the London Buccaneers.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:18 am
Away jersey, size XL Men’s.
Doesn’t need to be authentic, replica will do just fine Erik…
April 30th, 2015 at 11:20 am
Yeah, dan those #’s would value brian hartline over randy moss..lmao!! So dumb
April 30th, 2015 at 11:21 am
Get em, buc..lol!
April 30th, 2015 at 11:21 am
Joe,
Aaron Rodgers said he received a call from Gruden 2 days before the 2005 draft and that he told Aaron that if he was there at #5 he would be a TB Buc. Instead gruden drafted Cadillac Williams.
Rodgers was the last “college star” picked in that draft and has had the best career of all the top prospects. Meanwhile Lovie drafted Cedric Benson 7th overall.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:23 am
year 1 – Winston has more wins that Glennon has his entire Bucs career
year 2 – compete for a wild card sport
year 3 – division champs
April 30th, 2015 at 11:23 am
Praying for Marcus or trade down for multiple high picks. Joe’s crying will be priceless along with all the Winstonites. Whatever happens, GO BUCS!
April 30th, 2015 at 11:23 am
what’s the appeal, that he’s from FSU? …prima donna, mouth piece like cam newton…see if the team respects him with that personality…lost one game and the true person came out – ragging on his coach…Mariota will work hard (keep his gut trim) and earn respect by his actions…Neuheisel had it right on NFLN last night….we are going to blow it again 🙁
April 30th, 2015 at 11:24 am
If the Rumors are true, and Eagles are looking to Mortgage the Franchise for Mariota.
(2015)
• #19. (From Cleveland for Sam Bradford)
• #20 .
• #52
• (2016) 1st round Pick
+
(Offensive Line)
• RT. Lance Johnson
• DT. Fletcher Cox
• DE. Vinny Curry
• LB. Mychal Kendricks
You run to the podium-with that trade.
“Take The Money And Run”
-The Steve Miller Band
April 30th, 2015 at 11:25 am
What do they all have in common? Hmmm. I think they would all select Jameis over MM if they were coaching or Gm of a team and giving the chance. It’s just sour grapes toward the Bucs.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:29 am
QBASE is broken. Does not compute player coming out after sophomore year compared to gimmick boy system….does not compute….does not compute….
April 30th, 2015 at 11:31 am
You are gonna LOVE Jameis once you get to know him BUCCO! Because apparently you know nothing about the guy.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:32 am
@celly
year 1 – Winston sits the bench behind the Cannon leading to a meltdown
year 2 – compete for a wild card sport – with Glennon at the helm. JW arrested for drunk and disorderly after having to give EK the majority of his cash
year 3 – division champs – JW suspended indefinitely for conduct unbecoming of the NFL
year 4 – JW starts a rap group called crabs, thugs and harmony
April 30th, 2015 at 11:34 am
@robert,
What will you care. you’ll be rooting for the Dolphins anyway, right?
April 30th, 2015 at 11:35 am
@luvmybucs
If they give up all that then maybe we take the trade. Most likely they’ll be so terrible next year that the 2016 1st rounder will be pick number 1.
But that trade will not happen. Chip Kelly still has to live in Philly among people that boo Santa and throw batteries at outfielders.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:40 am
not as long as JW is not starting.
I don’t see the point of watching a show when you already know the ending
April 30th, 2015 at 11:40 am
I trust Licht’s QB evaluation over these guys. He was one of the Pats scouts when they took Brady. That in itself is a bigger accomplishment than any QB development/talent identifying those other 3 ever had.
“It’s not that we said we wanted to draft a tall, lanky quarterback that ran a 5.3 [time in the] 40. Those weren’t the traits we were looking for,” current Bucs general manager and then-member of the Patriots personnel staff Jason Licht recently said at a press conference. “But we were looking for the mental makeup…Belichick did a lot of homework on him, along with our staff, on his mental makeup. Watching the tape, he was the guy that would go in and lead them back to victory.”
April 30th, 2015 at 11:40 am
@Nick
I hear U brotha,
Just reviewing what the -front 7- would look like, with those additions.
(Defensive Line)
• LDE George Johnson || William Gholston
• LDT Gerald McCoy || Henry Melton || Akeem Spence
• RDT *Fletcher Cox || Clinton McDonald
• RDE *Vinny Curry || Jacquies Smith
(Linebackers)
• WLB Lavonte David || Orie Lemon
• MLB *Mychal Kendricks || Danny Lansanah
• SLB Bruce Carter || Jason Williams
That’s insane depth!
April 30th, 2015 at 11:41 am
87
You wouldn’t catch me dead in one of those clown suit fast food uniforms. What happened to creamsicle XL?
April 30th, 2015 at 11:41 am
Dominik and Gruden work for BSPN. BSPN needs stories. It’s no story if everyone agree Jameis is the guy. Everyone forgets, but there were plenty of talking heads that preferred RG3. It’s just the way it goes.
As for Dungy, his son played for Oregon. I don’t blame him for being biased, but would anyone expect him to NOT endorse Mariota?
April 30th, 2015 at 11:42 am
@Robert9
So your admitting that Winston will be a Buccaneer? Very good. Keep taking baby steps. maybe 1 day you’ll even learn to say something positive about the man after he helps us win the division.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:43 am
@robert9,
What’s your deal with Glennon? He’s won like 5 games in his career, and had one 300 yard game. What in the hell leads you to believe he’s a playoff caliber QB? He wasn’t a star in college, and isn’t one in the pros. I don’t dislike the guy, but he’s just not that good.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:43 am
Whoever the pick is (most likely Winston), needs to be the right pick. This team needs to end the QB drought in Tampa and end the many years of bad drafts. If the Bucs get this pick wrong, the coaching staff and most of the front office will be out of a job and the team will undergo yet another regime change. This team needs to stop pushing the reset button and finally find some stability.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:45 am
Sh*t, Joe, you’ve never drafted nor developed a QB either. And remember, like the Bucs players supposedly wanting Jameis, they are PROFESSIONALS as you would say. We are all just fans at the end of the day. Gotta support who our team picks.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:46 am
defensive coaches don’t develop quarterbacks that’s completely stupid…..jon gruden has never developed a quarterback!!! you put the pieces around the guy more than the players it’s about the coaches and the attention they get Monday thru Saturday that helps the most. if your that guy you’ll succeed regardless of your surroundings. so the bottom line is dungy, gruden, lovie and Dominick neither one has EVER developed a quarterback so none of their opinions seem to matter to me, the only guy that has a chance to change that narrative at this point in time is lovie because he’s the only one in the game so his opinion is more important
April 30th, 2015 at 11:48 am
Three former employees jealous over what Lovie/Liht along with WINSton are about be. How what they are about accomplish is about overshadow everything they did while in the building. Sitting back wishing like hell they’ll take a guy whose game clearly doesn’t translate to the NFL. See Dennis Dixon and Darrin Thomas.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:48 am
All that possible Eagles package makes me do is wonder why the Bucs didn’t try to be a little more coy about who they were taking. By not even showing a slight interest in Mariota the Eagles know they only have to get to #2 and not #1. That would be a pretty nice package to get, especially if you can flip the extra picks for even more picks.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:48 am
“and none has ever drafted and developed a true franchise quarterback.” and neither has Joe. But at least Dungy and Gruden have a couple of rings between them.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:49 am
Koetter develops QBs. He could have gone anywhere. I have no doubt he isn’t going to be limited by Lovie.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:50 am
When you disagree with virtually everyone around you, that’s usually a good time to look at why you think what you do.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:52 am
The aaron rodgers comparison is what drives people crazy isn’t it? I’ll tell u why he gets that comparison. His ability to not turnover the ball, (some will say “But he fumbled 27/28 times” the fact that he runs is obviously a factor also the sacks he has taken but a fumble is a 50/50 shot at a turnover whereas a int is a 100% chance of being a turnover. Its easier to fix ball security than to question ur own decision making during the game or a 4th quarter drive.), another thing is his quick release, (not only does he have a quick release but very good ball placement. He will put it in a spot the receiver can catch turn n make a move in one seemingly fluid motion. He does that on the majority of his short throws. “But he throws screens n works with half of a field.” He motions to determine man or zone or to get favorable matchups, I see professional qbs using that method.), and last but not least the project that he is to become a pro style qb. I’d prefer if he learned for 2 years on the bench but I think he would only need one. He doesn’t come in with a lack of focus or rate as a guy who is easily distracted so one year on the bench should be all that is needed. Patience is a virtue and with mariota I think it would pay out ten fold. Anyways joe I appreciate the hardwork that u put in everyday at joebucsfan because it is the best way to get bucs news. Also cool to shoot the sh!t with other buc fans. I’m from nevada n buc fans are scarce! Jameis or marcus I’m lookin forward to a productive season this year
April 30th, 2015 at 11:54 am
“robert 9 Says:
April 30th, 2015 at 11:32 am
“year 4 – JW starts a rap group called crabs, thugs and harmony”
They can compete with your own group, Mouthbreathers With Attitude.
April 30th, 2015 at 11:58 am
Sam Bradford plus this years eagles 1 plus next years #1…. All in
April 30th, 2015 at 11:58 am
3 guys there that you don’t want to take their word on what QB to pick. 2 good Super Bowl winning coaches that I respect but are not known for their QB development And honestly, Dominick kind of drove this team into the ground. Will take many years to correct the destruction Domonick caused with his poor personnel decisions. Hoping Winston or Mariotta get us out of the funk.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Sim Says:
April 30th, 2015 at 11:48 am
“and none has ever drafted and developed a true franchise quarterback.” and neither has Joe. But at least Dungy and Gruden have a couple of rings between them.
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only ONE of them built a superbowl team and that was dungy and he didn’t win a superbowl where he built the team. gruden came to a superbowl ready team and dungy went to a team where all he had to do was get the defense on track, both should have won more than 1
April 30th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Playoff run starts tonight at #1!
April 30th, 2015 at 12:03 pm
JMN Says:
April 30th, 2015 at 11:58 am
3 guys there that you don’t want to take their word on what QB to pick. 2 good Super Bowl winning coaches that I respect but are not known for their QB development And honestly, Dominick kind of drove this team into the ground. Will take many years to correct the destruction Domonick caused with his poor personnel decisions. Hoping Winston or Mariotta get us out of the funk.
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Do yopu know who you want even less than those guys making the decision? Lovie Smith. In fact there pretty much isn’t a worse person in the NFL to be making a QB decision than Lovie Smith. Track record speaks volumes.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:03 pm
Nole…you must be a comedian….Dungy and Gruden won SB’s and are well respected. Smith and Licht might not even be employed two years from now, with nothing but futility on their resume. ROTFL.
Joe…know you are writing in an extremely active “voice”, but people viewing Dom as the devil? Wow…. And still the Rock Star? More like a Pop Tart…..or maybe a comet? A flaming ball of gas that is very visible for a short time relative to the totality of the league which flames out, becoming a spent rock hurdling into the furthest unknown regions of the universe.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RJ CHRIS Says:
April 30th, 2015 at 11:58 am
“Sam Bradford plus this years eagles 1 plus next years #1…. All in.”
NOOOOOOOOO
Nope
NOOOOOOOOOOOT going to happen.
Friggin aye less than 8 hours to go!
Go Bucs, Go Jameis! 🙂
April 30th, 2015 at 12:05 pm
I just don’t think glennon has gotten a fair shake, and anyone who thinks he has is questionable at best.
I hope they trade him if they get JW. I gaurantee a decent coach/team would do wonders with him.
probably got benched last year for being smarter than the coach. I know I had a boss once who referred to me as dr. robert. he was a moron from IBM milking the clock at a smaller company till he went off into retirement. I challenged his ignorance before telling him where to take it. I’m sure he didn’t mind.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:06 pm
Buc fans………….TRUST TONY DUNGY!!!! You know you do!!!
April 30th, 2015 at 12:06 pm
haha love
the guy who defends JW on every site on the net.
he could rape a whole dorm and you would defend him.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:06 pm
@bucrightoff
Chip is literally throwing in everything; including the kitchen sink.
@Bucs_Sam
One should respect public opinion insofar as is necessary to avoid starvation and keep out of prison, but anything that goes beyond this is voluntary submission.-Bertrand Russell
April 30th, 2015 at 12:08 pm
“Do yopu know who you want even less than those guys making the decision? Lovie Smith. In fact there pretty much isn’t a worse person in the NFL to be making a QB decision than Lovie Smith. Track record speaks volumes.”
Yeah I don’t disagree with you there at all. But neither Gruden or Dungy took a QB in the first 5 picks. A little bit different this time around. We’ve got to gamble on a QB and hope it works out. Really got nothing to lose.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:10 pm
We will know at 8:10!!!! Can’t wait baby!! The drinking of the beer is already underway!!! 8 more hours till we see if 87s getting a jersey!!!!lol
April 30th, 2015 at 12:13 pm
JMN…I concur with what you said.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:13 pm
the thing is, though, that with the shake he got, he didn’t look inspiring AT ALL.
the truth is, had Glennon done his job last year and won more than one game, we likely wouldn’t have even been in this position. Glennon had his shot with the coach that wanted him here so desperately and he rewarded that coach with 4 uninspiring wins. He then had a forced shot with a coach that necessarily may not have wanted him here and he went 1-4 in those 5 games.
had he gone 3-2, i’d be willing to bet money that he would’ve gotten more opportunities.
I’m sure Lovie’s last straw was watching him run out of bounds 2 yards short of the first down on 4th down.
Zero heart.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:16 pm
Dungy and Gruden,
Neither one of them won a super bowl with their philosophy of coaching.Both were along for the ride. Everyone knew peyton was going to win at least one super bowl. And with anyone at qb or coachthe bucs defense was going to carry the bucs to the super bowl that year.
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April 30th, 2015 at 12:16 pm
6 down, 36 to go!!!
April 30th, 2015 at 12:17 pm
Even though I would prefer Winston, I would be more than pleased with Mariota. Guys an athlete. Winston is familiar with pro style concepts. Either one is a win win. Just dont trade down or draft Williams. We need a quarterback. Even Mariota and his lack of a pro offense, even Winston and his off field stuff, is an up grade over Mccown or Glennon. So please, lets all be happy we get a choice between these two great quarterbacks.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
LargoBuc…ditto.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:27 pm
Largo, I concur as well. QB please
April 30th, 2015 at 12:31 pm
I honestly don’t see why the bucs want to be coy about it now. I mean you have the #1 pick, if someone can inform me as to why they are being so quiet about it id appreciate it. It’s not like anyone can steal him in front of your pick lol. My question might sound dumb but I am just curious.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
3 people who got fired by the Bucs.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:37 pm
98PickJameis..because they are manning the phones, in case some team wants to give up the farm for our pick. That will happen right up to the 10 minute mark.
No worries though, the pick is going to be Jameis.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:37 pm
I believe that most of the Mariota supporters have accepted that the Bucs are taking the 2nd best QB in this draft. We were just hoping to take the best QB.
ESPN Production Analyst produced a new model that projects Luck as the best QB over the past 3 drafts and would have moved EJ and others taken in the 1st down, while moving Wilson up from the 3rd round. That model has Mariota as projected better than Winston. The other QBs don’t even come close. Also, you have the analysts that have Mariota ranked over Winston, but have the Bucs taking Winston.
All I’m saying is I’m sure Winston will be a serviceable QB, but I was hoping to win some playoff games and possibly a SB in the next decade. Guess I’ll have to wait until the next QB drafted.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:38 pm
Breaking News: Pee Wee Herman has agreed to drive the Buc’s clown car for the coming season. All aboard!
April 30th, 2015 at 12:38 pm
iamkingsu
“Neither one of them won a super bowl with their philosophy of coaching.Both were along for the ride.”
Are you kidding??? Gruden changed the offense(brought in 26 new players most offensive) and made it be accountable, otherwise Dungy would have won a SB already.
As for Indy’s problem, it was no defense(they were ranked 30th before Dungy), which was what Dungy changed and made them competitive. Manning didn’t win their SB(Manning had 250yds 1TD and I INT) without their defense.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:40 pm
“Winston will win a Super Bowl within 3 years of entering the NFL.” – Buc1987
April 30th, 2015 at 12:43 pm
Welcome to the Bucs Jameis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now to trade back into the 1st….wonder who we’ll trade with? For an Olineman or SS Collins, they could both be there in the bottom 5 of the 1st. Even NE could be a trade partner like they usually are 😉
April 30th, 2015 at 12:44 pm
Good luck with that 87′. Unless the Bucs get a crazy arse defense he isn’t winning a SB in 3 years. He isn’t anywhere close to Luck and he hasn’t won a SB.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:47 pm
Mariota is more like Alex Smith than Rogers. I like the kid and hope he succeed. But I’m scared for the kid if he goes to a team that need him to start right away. He really need to sit the first one or two years.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:47 pm
“robert 9 Says:
April 30th, 2015 at 12:06 pm
haha love
the guy who defends JW on every site on the net.
he could rape a whole dorm and you would defend him.”
Maybe you belong in the old days where they just strung people up by a rope for a rape accusation and no actual evidence. As it stands, there’s not a shred of evidence besides her word that anything bad occurred. And she’s ruined her word by changing her story countless times.
Rape kits and tox screenings do not lie.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:47 pm
So looking at the 2nd round Gregory, Ray, Erving, and Humphries all are there, what do you do?
April 30th, 2015 at 12:53 pm
I think Gregory is probably going in the first. Erving or Humphries would be my pick…..Ray could drop to middle/bottom of 2nd.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:55 pm
As long as its not TE or RB…..I still cant get over that 3rd spent last year on Sims.
April 30th, 2015 at 12:57 pm
87
“Winston will win a super bowl in 3 years” 87
That’s plagiarism because that’s my quote lol. I just stop aguing with these fools on here and only debate people I know. Its 3 years for sure for me with an option on next year. Most qbs has to ‘learn’ how to win and we all know that’s not a problem for Jameis
April 30th, 2015 at 12:58 pm
To be honest it doesn’t matter to me which qb we take as long as we take one of them. The truth is we don’t know which one will be successful and it really comes down to chance. I just want to actually take the risk on a qb and not another position. If you think about it year after year draft experts say this person or that person is going to be a guaranteed success but usually are incorrect. So I support either qb and hope for the best since I am a fan til the end
April 30th, 2015 at 12:59 pm
The ugly truth that no one on this site seems to want to acknowledge is that Lovie doesn’t have any better track record when it comes to evaluating and growing a QB than Dungy, Dominik, or Gruden.
April 30th, 2015 at 1:02 pm
Love and Warrick Dunn Says: “Rape kits and tox screenings do not lie.” Neither do FSU and Tallahasse cops. LOL
April 30th, 2015 at 1:03 pm
@MadMax….agreed, Sims was a brutal head scratcher and they seem to be all in with the fancy dancer back…no power or north/south…will be a wasted pick, mark my words
April 30th, 2015 at 1:05 pm
“Rob Says:
April 30th, 2015 at 12:59 pm
The ugly truth that no one on this site seems to want to acknowledge is that Lovie doesn’t have any better track record when it comes to evaluating and growing a QB than Dungy, Dominik, or Gruden.”
You’re right. But, Koetter does. And, the truth of the matter is that he had his choice of landing spots. I highly doubt he would have signed on without having some sort of say in who the QB choice was. He will be the one grooming the QB and crafting the offensive scheme.
April 30th, 2015 at 1:07 pm
Buc1987 Says:
March 26th, 2015 at 6:18 pm
“Jameis Winston will win a Super Bowl within the first 3 years of entering the NFL, whether it be with Bucs or another team.”
April 30th, 2015 at 1:07 pm
Yeah, I see it too Bucco.
April 30th, 2015 at 1:10 pm
On Landon Collins:
When Collins is on the field, it’s sort of a game of “Where’s Landon?”. Watch a game. Heck, watch one quarter of one game and try to find him from play to play. He’ll be a half field safety on one play. He’ll roll up into the box on another. He’ll rotate to the slot. He’ll line up at “big nickel/dime” linebacker. He’ll blitz the edge. He’ll be the last line of defense.
“Rarely do you ever see Collins out of position. Rarely do you see him bust an assignment. Rarely do you ever see him not giving 100% effort. Crazy as it sounds, that means a ton to coaches at all levels. Just do those things and a guy can play for a decade. Collins gets himself into position due in large part to an incredibly high, functioning football IQ. Most players like that don’t have the wherewithal to make splash plays, but Collins is always around the football. The “Where’s Landon?” game is easy once the ball is snapped because #26 finds a way to sniff it out. Sure, his man-to-man cover skills on whippet quick inside slot WR need work and, unfortunately, there might be too many habits to break to ever become a lockdown cover guy inside. But, his range, as a middle third or deep half safety, is more than adequate. He drives on throws with excellent footwork.
In short, he’s a complete safety or as complete as any team will find in this draft.
April 30th, 2015 at 1:13 pm
“Mallory Says:
April 30th, 2015 at 1:02 pm
Love and Warrick Dunn Says: “Rape kits and tox screenings do not lie.” Neither do FSU and Tallahasse cops. LOL”
What was lied about? Did the S.A.N.E. nurse lie?
TPD are not the brightest bulbs, but, they are indiscriminate in their mistakes (see: Rachel Hoffman). However, the evidence collected and the investigative work done including the interviews with Erica’s friends all support Winston’s story and conflict with her 7+ versions of events.
The people that want to attack Winston refuse to even acknowledge the wealth of evidence that contradicts her over and over and over and over. Google “Jameis Winston Chapter 3”.
Believe what you want. But, come 8:15, Winston will be a Buccaneer.
April 30th, 2015 at 1:18 pm
“You’re right. But, Koetter does. And, the truth of the matter is that he had his choice of landing spots. I highly doubt he would have signed on without having some sort of say in who the QB choice was. He will be the one grooming the QB and crafting the offensive scheme.”
Where do you get the idea that Koetter has a better track record with picking QB’s?
He was part of a team that burned the 10th overall pick on Blaine Gabbert.
Matt Ryan was well established in Atlanta before Koetter arrived.
April 30th, 2015 at 1:18 pm
@MadMax…now i disagree with ya…having mark barron flashbacks, yikes!…and we have a good SS > mcdougald…
April 30th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
@OAR
Did you watch football that year?? That defense was all time horrible going into the post season that year. Until little 5 foot nothing Bobby sanders comesback for the playoffs and all of a sudden they look like gangbusters.
As for the superbowl in Miami that year in the rain. Once they didn’t kick it to hester anymore peyton knew he didn’t have to turn it over because that bear’s offense was pathetic. Its Peyton vs cover 2 enough said! He couldve shredded it if he had too
April 30th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
so love, your reasoning is she lied and can’t be trusted.
if that reasoning stands true with you.
why then would you choose to trust JW’s reasoning off the field?
#crablegs #vandalism/bb guns #stealing soda #rape or at the least (something very bad happened that night) #shoutingobscenitieswhilebeinginvestigatedforrape
please…………you say everyone else is one sided. look in the mirror my friend.
April 30th, 2015 at 1:21 pm
For everyone who idiotically calls Jameis a rapist, riddle me this……How many victims of rape do you know who let their rapist take them home afterwards. And all who say they wont pull for or watch the Bucs with Jameis, can we get a signed letter from you so you can’t come crawling back when the Bucs are winning again?????? Go Bucs and most of all GO JAMEIS!!!!!
April 30th, 2015 at 1:23 pm
…don’t think we have to trade up in the 1st for OT….top guys gone but should have choice between Clemmings, Fisher or D.Smith > solid picks…maybe roll the dice on Ogbuehi…
April 30th, 2015 at 1:28 pm
uhhhh… Isn’t that Jersey supposed to say Winston on the back and not Jameis?
April 30th, 2015 at 1:31 pm
Put me in the Gruden, Dungy, & Dominik camp…. I am in disblief that L & L would ever seriously consider drafting Winston over Mariota. THANK GOD IT’S FINALLY DRAFT DAY
April 30th, 2015 at 1:44 pm
An undrafted FA, McDougald shined late in the year (more playing time after the Barron trade), but I just hope he gets better. I dont see Barron at all in Collins. His effort and football IQ reminds me of LVD.
April 30th, 2015 at 1:44 pm
Erik…you are more like in serious denial.
April 30th, 2015 at 1:45 pm
@robert
Maybe you equate lying about rape to getting free crab legs, bb guns and internet memes. (for the record, something bad could mean a girl went home with 3 guys and had unprotected sex with one. It’s a broad statement by an old conservative Southern guy)
I don’t.
More, no, MOST, importantly, OBP doesn’t. That’s what matters. If he excels on the field, stays quiet off the field, and does community service around Tampa, he’ll be fine. People are going to believe what they want about him.
I hope you get to at least see Free Free in preseason before he is cut by Miami.
April 30th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
bucco brice Says:
April 30th, 2015 at 1:18 pm
@MadMax…now i disagree with ya…having mark barron flashbacks, yikes!…and we have a good SS > mcdougald…
…….
Smh, there’s really no hope for some of you.
April 30th, 2015 at 1:54 pm
you continually call her a liar, yet you were not in the room.
no one knows what really happened. so it is YOU who are making biased statements.
in one breath you say the law is what vindicates winston…..then you say about the law when they say something you choose to ignore “broad statement by an old conservative Southern guy”
so, which is it man????
the facts that ARE known are his incidents in question.
and if you really want to make it a black or white thing we can bring up the consistent degradation of white females by black males for conquest, making up for slavery??.. I don’t know what the hell it is, but if you don’t think it’s happening it’s you that are in denial. I mean…if we’re gonna stereotype….
April 30th, 2015 at 1:56 pm
and if you really think a guy with an ego the size of mount everest is going to “stay quiet”…..LOL
thats funny man.
April 30th, 2015 at 2:05 pm
“you continually call her a liar, yet you were not in the room.”
Don’t need to be in the room dude it’s very simple:
She lied about being hit on the head. She lied about being drugged. She lied about being blackout drunk. Those were all proven lies at various points via physical undeniable evidence and her own friends testimonies.
Hence: Liar.
April 30th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
@robert
I can call her a liar because of the multitude of changing statements. When you 1) say you were drugged to police and investigators, 2) deny saying you were drugged at the COC hearing, then 3) Again say you were drugged for a documentary, that is blatant lying.
Hey before you try to sell me your Jump to Conclusions Mat, Old Conservative Southern guy does not have anything to do with race. An 80 year old black/ yellow/green man is not going to view things like a Millennial will.
You are the one the constantly injecting race into things. Oh, Keyshawn likes Winston, well it’s because he’s black. I can dredge up your direct quote on it.
As for this: “we can bring up the consistent degradation of white females by black males for conquest, making up for slavery??”
Wow. just wow. I will let that one stand on it’s on, in perpetuity. I have no idea what you are talking about, but, you clearly have some built up personal bias related to race.
Still, wow. No words for that slavery scenario. WOW.
April 30th, 2015 at 2:22 pm
“robert 9 Says:
April 30th, 2015 at 1:56 pm
and if you really think a guy with an ego the size of mount everest is going to “stay quiet”…..LOL
thats funny man.”
I’m talking about off the field incidents. I hope he has a huge ego. I hope it’s a big as Brady’s ego.
April 30th, 2015 at 2:23 pm
This needs it’s own post:
robert 9 Says:
April 30th, 2015 at 1:54 pm
we can bring up the consistent degradation of white females by black males for conquest, making up for slavery??
Good to know you are going out with a bang.
April 30th, 2015 at 2:25 pm
lol gruden admitted he was high on johnny manziel last year but he’ll never admit it that he said he’d take him first overall in the draft…..he has developed not one single quarterback and neither has dungy and considering they are out of football along with Dominick why go so far out on a limb it’s only going to further make you look foolish, if Winston plays better than mariota you’ll see them ducking and dodging talking about Winston all year long
April 30th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
ah well, some people like to play coy. others tell it like it is.
some use the law to their advantage, even though they’re the criminal
such is America these days……
April 30th, 2015 at 2:36 pm
“robert 9 Says:
April 30th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
ah well, some people like to play coy. others tell it like it is.
some use the law to their advantage, even though they’re the criminal
such is America these days…”
Some people are straight up racist. That has never changed.
April 30th, 2015 at 3:00 pm
Alright, I just saw a live shot of Winston and he’s walking funny like he has a pulled muscle or wearing a brace on his leg…anyone know if he’s been injured?
April 30th, 2015 at 3:06 pm
Enough is a fugging enough. Lets get the elephant out of the room now. I’m going to put this ish to bed once and for all.
Why is it everytime a black person goes through the american justice system and is vindicated a particular section of society seems to think he got away with something?? Or that the investigation was corrupt.
But at the sametime when a black male gets harassed beaten and/or killed by cops(sometimes even on camera) and due process is done and no charges are brought forth that same particular section of society says that justice was served.
When should we believe in our justice system?? Someone tell me because I’m confused
Just because you’re not calling him the N word to his face doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. Youre perception of him that makes you think he got away with something is what makes you a racist
April 30th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Im not participating in anything racially, politically, or religiously here at this time…..maybe another day. Nothing is getting in the way of enjoying this great day where we will FINALLY have our franchise QB with Winston.
April 30th, 2015 at 3:43 pm
News flash! Publix has pulled all crab products from its Tampa Bay area stores…………the NFC South and Titans cheer! Who was that gifted QB the Bucs took in the first round a few years ago? Big kid, strong arm who was compared to Big Ben……….oh wait he had off the field issues and failed in Tampa. Famous Crabby will be 2.0………..
April 30th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
Buccrightoff I would respond to you my friend but Buc4life said it best a few post before yours came in. Check him out,precisely how I feel.
April 30th, 2015 at 4:13 pm
I think inston…. bu it is all acrap shoot. Do’t get why people are so adamant and freaking out over which on. All you can do is hope the Buc did their research and get it right. Personally I think BOTH will be succesful, but who knows
It is going to be Winston though, he is ready to start
April 30th, 2015 at 4:26 pm
So robert9 has finally revealed his true colors. Great work Love and Warrick Dunn. I kinda like being in the know when it pertains to certain elements in the room,I’m sure you know what I mean.
April 30th, 2015 at 4:47 pm
iamkingsu
Oh its football were talking about? And here I thought it was baseball. If you don’t think Dungy and Gruden changed the Colts and Bucs enough to win their SBs then you are the one not watching football.
BTW “Its Peyton vs cover 2 enough said! He couldve shredded it if he had too”….but he DIDN’T! He pulled the usual Playoff Peyton and sucked!
April 30th, 2015 at 4:52 pm
Maybe they’ve just now revealed their colors to those that didn’t want to believe it, but I’ve known the truth about robert and barry from the beginning.
Its hard to hide bigotry.
April 30th, 2015 at 5:01 pm
Great segment with Trent Dilfer, among others- showing fundamental difference between Mariota and Winston. Very enlightening.
Again showing that Mariota plays in a “catch and throw “offense.
Showed how Winston excels in red zone, and Mariota struggled.
Notes showing similar struggles with RG3, Johnny Manzeil, and others, who all came from that style offense-and all have struggled massively in NFL.
All agreed- you draft Mariota- you gotta let him sit for at least a year.
April 30th, 2015 at 5:05 pm
@Capt.Tim…
Unless he’s drafted by the Eagles.
That is his best chance for early success…
April 30th, 2015 at 6:04 pm
Capt. Tim these folks got me hoping marita gose number two the titans so they can see for themselves the fraud he and anyone that comes from gimmick style offenses like that one really are.
April 30th, 2015 at 8:19 pm
Lol!