Terrible YAC
April 18th, 2015
Zero yards after a catch on touchdown throws for Mike Glennon.
You want to know why the Bucs are on the cusp of drafting burgeoning star quarterback Jameis Winston?
You want to know why the Bucs may have given up on Mike Glennon?
You want to know why turnover-prone Josh McCown was thrown off the pirate ship? Well, the numbers geeks at Pro Football Focus seem to have your answer.
Scott Kacsmar went through all Tampa Bay touchdown passes last year — not that it took all night to monitor — and found that unless the Bucs had a receiver in the end zone, there was no touchdown, which seems impossible to believe.
But Kacsmar has the data to back up that up.
Apparently all 10 of Mike Glennon’s TDs were caught in end zone. 0 YAC, and look at McCown @gregauman #Bucs pic.twitter.com/ouQ6httjFi
— Scott Kacsmar (@FO_ScottKacsmar) April 17, 2015
This is absolutely incredible. The Bucs were just horrible on YAC, and a lot of that is a quarterback’s fault.
And yet there are parrots who squawk “trade down” and think the Bucs don’t need a quarterback. Just thinking about this, even though it is early on a Saturday morning, Joe wants to start doing shots.
April 18th, 2015 at 7:56 am
If you want a qb that is captain of the ‘dinkaneers’ rather than the ‘dunkaneers’ Glennnon is your guy!
April 18th, 2015 at 8:12 am
Sure, McCown and Glennon aren’t stellar quarterbacks. However, I think this statistic reflects more strongly upon our lack of an offensive coordinator last year.
April 18th, 2015 at 8:24 am
I’d still rather trade down than draft the system quarterback.
April 18th, 2015 at 8:26 am
A huge reason for this stat is the lack of explosive speed at any WR position coupled with the playcalling……it seemed many times the only route we would use would be an out route…thus a completion then out of bounds.
The lack of an offensive coordinator didn’t help.
I do agree that the QB not hitting targets in stride contributed….but where is the “speed in space” that we kept hearing…..it doesn’t exist…..and still doesn’t exist.
April 18th, 2015 at 8:26 am
Offensive Coordinators don’t throw the football. Throwing to a receiver in stride is throwing to a receiver in stride. That is on the QB. If the receiver is “in flight” the YAC will improve. Throwing jump balls to receivers and have them “haul” them down does nothing to improve your YAC.
April 18th, 2015 at 8:29 am
Please draft a QB with this 1st pick.
April 18th, 2015 at 8:30 am
How does the QB affect the Yards After Catch? Its that on the WR. Also NO QB an throw from his back.
I don’t think anyone really knows what Glennon can do.
I Don’t know if he can be a good QB. But he had not had the chance to Be the leader, he was thrown in when our starting QBs sucked.
No QB will have any success here behind a swiss cheese.
O-line even the Winston.
Be Real. Don’t just hate on players and coaches. Give them a chance FANS.
The Bucs are in this situation because the Glazers got rid of Gruden, on a so so year…We would beg for Gruden’s last year record right now.
I took Bradshaw 4 years and they Booed him for the first two years…
Go Bucs..
Steer the Ship Movie
Fans get on the Ship or Jump off and swim with the deadfins
April 18th, 2015 at 8:37 am
YAC largely on the QB??
April 18th, 2015 at 8:41 am
Air yards indicate that Glennon threw the ball farther from the LOS…which kills the captain checkdown moniker some labeled him with. This makes sense when there’s not been a playmaking Slot WR the past two years.
This is terribly stupid. HA!
April 18th, 2015 at 8:47 am
This is a really telling stat. Nothing that all of us haven’t seen for ourselves yet though. While last years qb play was suspect, I’m wondering about Evans and Jackson as home run hitters. If we had a guy in the slot or if sefarian-Jenkins can open up some lanes maybe this can change… But we are also going to need a line that can give our qb time to find the best routes
April 18th, 2015 at 8:49 am
If we want to win right away we will draft Winston! Point blank period he’s the future of this franchise and we haven’t had a guy with swagger and ball skills in the bay in ages.It’s exactly what this team needs
April 18th, 2015 at 8:53 am
Couple of considerations. Ball placement for receiver is important. If you hit him in stride he has better chance of gaining more YAC. Throw the ball low or behind him and YAC decreases. I like Mattie Ice percentages. Maybe Koetter knows something we don’t.
April 18th, 2015 at 8:53 am
We need a speedster with reliable hands in the slot to help our new QB er Winston. Evans and V-Jax are great but they are not speedy.
April 18th, 2015 at 8:53 am
We have 2 possession recievers. One gets caught from behind regularly. This is a reach Joe
April 18th, 2015 at 8:56 am
Hasn’t that been the Bucs offense over the last 3-4 years though? And how were these Bucs stats during this time? I have to believe they were near the bottom of the league as well.
April 18th, 2015 at 8:58 am
THESE STATS ARE HORSE SH1T!
Will Ferrell voice
April 18th, 2015 at 8:59 am
no offensive coordinator to create those plays in space…no running game to keep the safetys honest. I’m sure most defensive coordinator were not scared of the deep ball since Glennon under through them anyway…
Trade Glennon for a pick… Let’s move forward with whatever Qb the bucs take…
April 18th, 2015 at 8:59 am
YAC is a combination of the QB hitting the Reciever in stride and the Reciever having separation and speed. Unfortunately we need both.
April 18th, 2015 at 9:00 am
YELL FROM THE CHEAP SEATS
” WE NEED AN O-LINE “”
April 18th, 2015 at 9:01 am
@TBBF
A huge reason for this stat is the lack of explosive speed at any WR position coupled with the playcalling…
YES! And so we’ve addressed the playcalling but we still lack explosive speed. Robert Herron just doesn’t do it for me but perhaps he’ll improve.
I suspect the Bucs will perhaps use a late round pick to find some speed for the outside.
April 18th, 2015 at 9:02 am
An Offensive line to keep the QB off of his back helps too! Lol
April 18th, 2015 at 9:05 am
ball placement is key to YAC and neither McCown nor Glennon are worth a crap in any area must less precision accuracy. Lovie needs Jameis to salvage his career. go get your 6th rounder for glennon and just move on. its a waste of time and oxygen speaking about a backup that the team has no plans for. it’s over bye 8. And stop with crybaby 8 was treated unfair garbage, life is not fair. He could not beat out mccown, enough said.
April 18th, 2015 at 9:05 am
there is no proof the bucs have given up on glennon.
glennon is still under contract. this is a fact.
there is no proof the bucs are drafting leftwich-winston.
this is joe’s opinion about Winston. not a fact. he is not under contract with the bucs
high probability the bucs will not touch Winston. he might fall into the 2nd or 3rd round because he is the only nfl QB that throws like leftwich. Winston has a host of off field concerns(lawsuits) that would be a team distraction.
April 18th, 2015 at 9:07 am
We have had the “jump ball” offense since we acquired VJAX. We haven’t had a burner wideout since Galloway.
April 18th, 2015 at 9:14 am
I do like Winston and I want the Bucs to draft him. But the allegations make me nervous. It’s innocent until proven guilty I guess, but every time I watched FSU play I rooted for him and felt a little dirty about it.
April 18th, 2015 at 9:14 am
So by this “useful” stat we can surmise that Alex Smith has better ball placement than Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Luck, etc!? Call me crazy but all this tells me is the Bucs lack breakaway speed and didn’t throw a lot of short routes (think Alex Smith screen pass to Jamaal Charles to 70 yard TD run). This is somehow on Glennon (or McCown)? Come on Joe, you’re forever saying stats don’t tell the entire story yet this one somehow clearly shows the Bucs must draft a QB???
April 18th, 2015 at 9:20 am
Seem to be a lot of factors in play here.
McCown and Glennon certainly own some of the blame.
Our WRs own some of the blame.
Poor play execution probably owns some of the blame.
But poor play calling and design is mostly responsible for our poor performance in the Red Zone in my opinion. Saw it way too many times last year at our home games. Playbook looked to be incredibly limited.
That said, 2-14 is last year’s news. Better times ahead.
April 18th, 2015 at 9:22 am
You don’t see that a QB has much to do with YAC??? If a QB is able to accurately throw the football ahead of the runner, the runner continues in stride and more YAC can occur. However if the quarterback just throws “jump balls” the receiver jumps to catch the ball and the defender, usually next to him can more easily tackle him on the spot resulting in little YAC. Extremely easy to understand….Neither McCown or Glennon are very accurate to make such precise throws.
April 18th, 2015 at 9:25 am
The fact that both of our QBs are dead last definetly tells me it’s not just the QBs fault. It’s like a basketball team filled with guys who can’t shoot, then telling me the PG sucks cause he’s last in assists.
April 18th, 2015 at 9:47 am
Glennon had TEN TD throws with no YAC. That means the receiver was IN the endzone when he caught the ball. Those are NOT checkdown passes.
In 5 games and a quarter, Mike Glennon threw TEN TD passes. Four of those passes went to receivers OTHER than Evans or VJax.( Robert Herron, ASJ, and two to Louis Murphy) I strongly doubt they were the FIRST READS on those plays. When given time, Glennon went through his progressions quite well, and I believe better than “one-read” Winston will. Even Jon Gruden made fun of Jameis on his QB camp show about his inability to make more than one read.
Do the math:
10 TDs in little more than 5 games.
30 TDs in full 16 game schedule.
So far, in his young career, Mike Glennon had had 29 TDs and only 15 INTs for only 18 games and a quarter.
tickrdr
April 18th, 2015 at 9:57 am
Lmao.
The sad remains of the Mike Glennon mob. Wandering around, digging thru the ashes. Tying to find any excuse to blame someone else on their heroes epic fall from Grace. If they hadn’t been such di*ks, it would almost be sad to witness.
We didn’t have a co-ordinaries!! Our O-line sucks!! Our WRs are terrible!! Yada yada yada
It all boils down to the same thing.
Glennon isn’t the Answer. Never was. Never will be.
Those stats are don’t count when he was sacked, or the play fell apart.
Those stats are when Glennon lobbed dead duck passes up, to two of The NFLs best WRs.
He couldn’t get the job done. He couldn’t place a crisply thrown pass in their hands, where they could run with the ball.
Instead, he lobbed up floating Zeppelins- slowly hovering 6 yards, requiring a jump ball situation.
Only thing more pathetic than his supporters, is his play.
Poor misguided, clueless zombies. You bet on a lame horse. Just quit!! It makes you look stupid!
Jump on the JAMEIS bandwagon- and see what a REAL QB looks like.,
April 18th, 2015 at 10:00 am
@PortricheyGeorge
high probability the bucs will not touch Winston.
I’m beginning to believe this as well. I now realize I’ve been reading Jameis Bucs Fan with a boatload of FSU supporters doing the commenting.
When Sports Illustrated and ESPN Magazine arrived at the office this week they had their annual draft specials. Their takes were nothing like what I’ve read here on Jameis Bucs Fan.
Sports Illustrated has their 300 BPA’s available in order. Mariota was second but not behind Fameis…behind Johnson. Fameis was down at 6th.
SI quoted boatloads of NFL people talking about Mariota’s unique skill set and virtually all of them mentioned the NFL game is coming towards Mariota’s skill set not Fameis. So most of the opinion favoring MM was not due to off field issues but style and athleticism on the field. People from Ron Jaworski to Russell Wilson and Carson Palmer are all high on Mariota. All of them pooh poohed the meme about MM being handicapped as a “system” QB. That’s been repeated daily here on Jameis Bucs Fan but not in the two major national publications.
In fact both had “experts” claiming that was a false charge. And then there’s Chucky’s opinion.
The one common criticism of Mariota is that he spent his college career playing in a spread offense. Gruden said he’s not worried about that.
“He’s not the offensive coordinator,” Gruden said. “It’s not his fault. What they do at Oregon is very unique. That type of football is on its way to the NFL. You’re seeing more and more no-huddle offenses.
I’ve read silly comments from both sides…No Oregon QB has ever made it in the NFL can you say Dennis Dixon…No Jimbo Fisher QB has made it can you say Jamarcus Russell. Both of these takes are absurd since the statistical sample is so tiny as to be irrelevant.
Finally there are the off field issues or simply the perception of Fameis personality.
ESPN the mag has Fameis on the cover of their draft issue. And the copy under the pic?
“Two months on the road with this year’s most polarizing player”.
So that polarization is not simply on this blog. It’s a national perception of a leading sports publication not the fevered liberal wailings of the N.Y. Times.
I was with MM in the beginning…switched to Fameis under the onslaught of propaganda here on Jameis Bucs Fan and now, especially after Chucky and Wilson and Palmer’s comments about where the game is headed I’m back on the MM bandwagon. Basically because of on the field issues but one would have to be a dullard to not also recognize the polarizing effect Fameis has.
April 18th, 2015 at 10:07 am
I’m starting to think that the Bucs saying that the civil suit won’t change their draft plans is because they don’t intend to draft him.
April 18th, 2015 at 10:09 am
I’m still hoping the team dumps The Poor kid- and purges the locker room of his presence- sorta like the Mrsa purging- empty OneBuc, send in the guys in the Hazmed suits- cleansing all bio residue of Glennon.
Trade him to some slap happy dumbass , that will cut him in preseason! Then the poor noodle armed duck lobber can get on with his true calling- insurance salesman!
And the clueless Glennon mobbed Zombies can move on. Probably declaring Mariota their new champion- or meybe Mark Sanchez . .
Is Mike Vick still limping around somewhere. . .
April 18th, 2015 at 10:09 am
@Capt Tim
If they hadn’t been such di*ks, it would almost be sad to witness.
Tickdr responds with actual statistics to back up his point. And you call those who disagree with you d!cks? Really?
You offered no stats or facts to back up your point just simple name calling.
I’ve heard those who question Fameis actions called “haters”, for simply bringing up facts. But in my case for example I’ve never called another poster a name…except to spar once with 87..I later apologized. I’ve never called Fameis a rapist or thug (I acknowledge thug is a racist term).
And yet for some reason the Winston supporters seem to wish to vilify posters who disagree with them d!cks and
Poor misguided, clueless zombies. You bet on a lame horse. Just quit!! It makes you look stupid!
The closest thing to a fact you posted was YOUR observation about lobbing wounded duck passes. That’s an opinion and your entitled to it…but it’s hardly a convincing argument against tickdr or any MGMer when they have actual stats to back them up.
April 18th, 2015 at 10:09 am
@Capt Tim
If they hadn’t been such di*ks, it would almost be sad to witness.
Tickdr responds with actual statistics to back up his point. And you call those who disagree with you d!cks? Really?
You offered no stats or facts to back up your point just simple name calling.
I’ve heard those who question Fameis actions called “haters”, for simply bringing up facts. But in my case for example I’ve never called another poster a name…except to spar once with 87..I later apologized. I’ve never called Fameis a rapist or thug (I acknowledge thug is a racist term).
And yet for some reason the Winston supporters seem to wish to vilify posters who disagree with them d!cks and
Poor misguided, clueless zombies. You bet on a lame horse. Just quit!! It makes you look stupid!
The closest thing to a fact you posted was YOUR observation about lobbing wounded duck passes. That’s an opinion and you’re entitled to it…but it’s hardly a convincing argument against tickdr or any MGMer when they have actual stats to back them up.
April 18th, 2015 at 10:17 am
Yeah BS, whether you think Glennon had an even average supporting offense around him is comical. MG played well imo. You Glennon haters are still spewing the dizziness from your pea brains.
April 18th, 2015 at 10:19 am
St.PeteBucsfan
The statics were provided in the article, at the top of the page. It’s all an intelligent person would need to grasp the problem.
I’m very happy you are a super duper polite poster( yawn)
You win the “plays well with others” trophy! It’s a left over from second grade!
Yay you!
I don’t care if you support Winston or not. He’s coming.
April 18th, 2015 at 10:21 am
Bucfan37
Yeah- you think Glennon played well!
Facts and truth be damned!
April 18th, 2015 at 10:26 am
@SPBF:
Thank you for the help!
As for the claim that MG8 had two of the best receivers in the NFL, I am happy to agree with Cap’t Tim. But of those 29 TDs:
5 TDs went to Tim Wright, an undrafted free agent.
4 TDs went to Tiquan Underwood, now out of the league.
And four went to the guys mentioned in the above post.(Herron,ASJ,Murphy)
Please note that only ASJ caught another TD not thrown by Glennon. None from Freeman in three games in 2013, nor any others by McCown in 10 games in 2014. Even VJax had none from Freeman in 2013.
tickrdr
April 18th, 2015 at 10:28 am
@CaptTim
LMAO On the politcal blog where I post they are constantly telling me I’m too nice! I’m OK with that. I see my tombstone. Here lies SPBF he was just too damned nice!
As for the stat at the top of the page that is clearly a TEAM stat not simply a QB measurement. Surely in all your infinite wisdom you get that. As has been pointed out the receivers factor into that stat…neither VJAX nor Evans have any speed. In addition the play calling factors in. If you call yourself the Dunkaneers the clear implication is that since you have relatively slow but strong tall receivers you are going to have your QB lob plenty of jump balls to them. That was the clearly stated offensive plan before the season even began.
To lump all of that on either QB is simply not true.
April 18th, 2015 at 10:39 am
Alex smith = Mariota
Alex smith didn’t throw one TD pass to a receiver all of last year. Crazy.
During the season I pointed out YAC sucked. The blame falls on everybody from the oline, rcvrs, to the qb.
Before we get rid of players can we at least find a better player to replace them with? Last yr we dumped our oline for an even worse one same with TE and Safety.
April 18th, 2015 at 10:43 am
If it is possible, I would be fine trading down and selecting Bryce Petty in round two…
Pick #1 – (round one)pass rusher
Pick #2 – (round one)starting tackle
Pick #3 – (round two)Bryce Petty (QB can compete with Glennon)
Pick #4 – (round two)starting guard
Pick #5 – (round three)starting safety/linebacker/slot wr/offensive line depth
Pick #6 – (round three or four) same as above
That would give us six picks, at least five in rounds 1-3… That is how you rebuild a roster…
I am fine with Winston but I’m already getting sick of hearing about this rape trial…
April 18th, 2015 at 10:43 am
5 – 13
April 18th, 2015 at 10:44 am
WS99
“Before we get rid of players can we at least find a better player to replace them with?”
Great point. And even though I’m not a card carrying member of the MGM i feel the same way about him. He’s cheap, he has experience now, and I’m open to trading him but I’d really want to know who is going to replace him.
Would we be expected to overpay for some over the hill retread like Jason Campbell? Or would we go with some unknown kid and hope Fameis/Marcus don’t get hurt?
April 18th, 2015 at 10:48 am
@mac
Well thought out post but that might get you scalped here on JBF.
Makes sense to me though. Again the odds of either Fameis or Marcus panning out are about 50-50. Petty is perhaps a longer shot but it’s all a crap shoot anyway.
After reading SI, ESPN and listening to people like Jaws and Gruden I’m still on board with drafting Mariota. He has a chance to be exceptional and demonstrates the skill set that will become increasingly powerful in a league with rapidly changing rules and offensive schemes. Sometimes you just gotta accept change and go with the flow.
April 18th, 2015 at 10:52 am
Stupid stat. Don’t be fooled Joe. There exists no trend upward or downward of YAC and a QB’s ranking. Just look at Alex Smith’s numbers and see that his average touchdown was only thrown 4.6 yards. Why? Because Jamaal Charles was catching them, and doing all the work. Isn’t this what Lovie and Licht wanted our QB’s to do, throw the ball into the corners of the Endzone, where our tall receivers have the biggest advantage over their coverage.
April 18th, 2015 at 11:04 am
YAC largely on the QB. Joe you’re an IDIOT!!!
April 18th, 2015 at 11:13 am
WTF, seriously, you must be joking !!!!!!!!!
April 18th, 2015 at 12:22 pm
I dont care as long as they are in faxt touchdowns. So for example, its Glennons fault that Louis Murphy, at the end of the Pit game, only ran to the five and not all the way to the end zone? Whatever you say. Its up to the receiver to make something happen after the catch. Although thats really not the point of this article is it?
April 18th, 2015 at 12:58 pm
captain Tim is a funny guy. Disregards the stats tickrdr posts yet doesn’t see a pattern with a stat that is a combo of play calling, WR/RB/TE speed, as well as QB ball placement and coincidentally BOTH Buc’s QB’s are at the bottom of (see a pattern beyond both QB’s are at fault?) Who’s the zombie here? Go back to your Walking Dead reruns Tim…rational football discussions clearly aren’t your thing.
April 18th, 2015 at 1:29 pm
I am a JBF reader, especially since I am out of Florida for a few months, I do not have to read JBF to listen to BSPN and other national pundits that are saying Jameis is ahead of MM based on pro days, combine and even Gruden Camp and Mooch’s take, it’s Winston, the Glazers heard the roar by the season ticket holders
April 18th, 2015 at 3:16 pm
Now, I am far FAR from being a MGMer, as all will atest, but Yards After Catch??? How does that have anything to do with the Quarterback? I would think, once a catch is made, it is all on the WR and those blocking for him.
Don’t think it’s fair to lay that on Glennon.
Especially when there are plenty of other things.
April 18th, 2015 at 3:31 pm
WS99 Says
Alex smith = Mariota
More like
Mariota = Mariota
Winston = Winston
I don’t care for these comparisons. When it comes down to it, I prefer a player to blaze his own trail and let others try to emulate him.
I believe Mariota will be good, depending on who gets him. It may take 2-3 years, but he’ll be good.
If we take a QB with the first pick, it will take 2-3 years to develop him anyway. That’s what the Winstonites are not grasping. Either way we go, it will take time.
Even if said QB develops rapidly, there is no way the offensive line will be fixed this year, and that will delay his production. Dirk will be a miracle worker if he puts together a properly functioning oline with 3-4 rookies this year.
So it’s going to take time. Therefore, it really doesn’t matter in that regard. Mariota can develop just as quickly as Winston in Tampa.
April 18th, 2015 at 3:39 pm
One of the best courses I took in college was how to lie with statistics. Facinating how you can adjust anything to suit your prespective.
April 18th, 2015 at 6:26 pm
port richey george Says
“high probability the bucs will not touch Winston. he might fall into the 2nd or 3rd round because he is the only nfl QB that throws like leftwich.”
Duh which way did he go, which way did he go. Sorry George.
Your comments just keep getting dumber and dumber 2nd or 3rd round….
Ha ha ha ha this guy’s out of his mind or off his meds!
April 18th, 2015 at 6:29 pm
“If we take a QB with the first pick, it will take 2-3 years to develop him anyway. That’s what the Winstonites are not grasping. Either way we go, it will take time.:
Have you not heard the rave reviews coming out of the combine about how football smart Winston is? Or did you just plug your ears at the time?
April 18th, 2015 at 6:30 pm
Bonzai ^^^
April 18th, 2015 at 10:44 pm
So that’s all on Glennon? Plently of blame to go around on that. If he had Koetter all offseason last year going into the regular season with the starter job you can add another 1-2 TD a game average. Put that with a defense that should be playing better this season in a week NFC south….
That might be why they go DE in round 1 and draft a backup. Otherwise, if they knew McCown was the starter last year and they have refused to trade offers for Glennon….why???
I think they should draft Winston just in case but I won’t be surprised if they don’t take him or Mariota.
April 18th, 2015 at 11:12 pm
Glennons average td pass was only 11 yards. Lol that kid is freaking useless.
April 19th, 2015 at 6:01 pm
The National Publications are backing away from Winston for a reason. The better QB for the offenses of the future is the same QB who beat Winston head to head this year and who won every QB Honor this year in college–Marriota! What happened with Joe’s favorite QB last year? He just likes the bad boys. Unfortunately the Williams and others of that ilk end up leaving their teams holding the bag. There is a reason the Bucs had the QB Coach–who taught the spread offense to Tenn. as their OC–was asked to help our OC design his playbook. What does that tell you?