Seat Not Hot For Lovie Smith
April 12th, 2015
Joe has documented that history is unkind to coaches who guide their teams to the first overall pick in the draft.
Since 2003, only three coaches have done this and survived to use that draft pick. That would be Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spagnuolo and Lovie Smith.
One of those three led his team to a playoff berth afterwards, and that was Schottenheimer. So, just given history, one would think Lovie might be on a hot seat this fall. Not really, claims Pat Yasinskas of ESPN.com. He answered a Twitter mailbag question on the subject.
@PatYazESPN: The Glazers remain high on coach Lovie Smith. They obviously weren’t thrilled with a 2-14 record last year, but they realize it takes time to turn a team around. That said, patience can be short in the NFL. It’s fair to say that Smith needs to show improvement in 2015.
Drafting a rookie quarterback will buy Lovie time, Joe believes. The trick is, given another full offseason to address a woeful offensive line and virtually zero quarterback pressure from the right edge on defense, if those areas do not improve, Joe is pretty certain Team Glazer will want direct answers as to why.
Joe doesn’t see Lovie in any danger.
April 12th, 2015 at 5:23 am
If Lovie had his way, he would be drafting Leonard Williams or some other defensive stud. It’s amazing that he went all offense in last year’s draft. Poor guy really has little choice other then to go QB with the 1st pick this year. Then, there is the dismal oline that greatly needs attention. For a defensive minded coach this must be tough. All this being said, he will have a fan mutiny on his hands if he doesn’t draft either of these QBs with that 1st overall pick.
April 12th, 2015 at 5:45 am
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April 12th, 2015 at 8:12 am
Buc1987 doesn’t see Lovie building any form of a line so far…
So the jury’s still out whether he remains after next season or not.
April 12th, 2015 at 8:14 am
April 30th cant get here soon enough…just take a dad-gum QB, preferably Winston…However if we can trade back and get more picks and still land Mariota I could live with that scenario…assuming we stay put and take the “best player in the draft” (Winston) with the #1 pick I hope our draft looks something like this…
Rd1. Jameis Winston (QB) – FSU
Rd2. A.J. Cann (OG) – South Carolina
Rd3. Daryl Williams (OT) – Oklahoma
Rd4. Lorenzo Mauldin (DE) – Louisville
Rd5. Corey Crawford (DE) – Clemson
Rd5. Adrian Amos (FS) – Penn State
Rd6. Antwan Goodley (WR) – Baylor
April 12th, 2015 at 8:15 am
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April 12th, 2015 at 8:26 am
#8???….Oh ok…. Mike Glennon…. Got It!
April 12th, 2015 at 8:57 am
I’d say 4-12 or worse and his ass is outta here.
April 12th, 2015 at 9:15 am
lets go bucs !!!pick the best qb in the draft.. M.M. is the only choice
April 12th, 2015 at 9:19 am
If Lovie doesn’t have more wins than losses, he is gone.
He should be praying that Koetter can fix the offense since he has clearly shown over the years with last year being the apex of his offensive mind, he is clueless as to what makes and drives an offense.
He is a nice guy and may know defense but in that I am not sure any more.
April 12th, 2015 at 9:26 am
How someone can trade/cut an existing oline and replace it with one that is more expensive and measurably worse while still maintaining confidence of ownership without feeling any job insecurity is perplexing.
How many coaches/GMs get the opportunity to lead the worst team in the league and enjoy the fruits of their incompetence by drafting #1 overall?
Can someone even show me where this has happened before in the last 15-20 years?
In every way Raheem Morris is a better HC than the rube we have now. Morris managed 10 wins with no players, no decent GM and no confidence from ownership or the fans. Incompetent Lovie Smith intentionally made McCown the starting QB in March of 2014. That right there disqualifies him from any professional competence roll call.
Buc fans should start expecting better from the leadership of the football team they root for. My loyalties are with the team, not the incompetent individuals that run it.
April 12th, 2015 at 9:30 am
Same media said Schiano was safe as well. 3-4 losses and this loser is gone.
April 12th, 2015 at 9:51 am
Dallas – Last year’s line was NOT more expensive than the previous year. It may have looked worse than the 2013 line (which was terrible) – but it’s quite possible that no OC had something to do with that.
As long as there is SOME improvement in the record and the team looks like it is improving – Lovie has at least 2 more years I believe. If the Bucs go 3-13 this year or similar – then he will probably be fired – and rightfully so.
April 12th, 2015 at 9:53 am
The record wouldn’t be so bad if the Dipsh** hadn’t proclaimed we weren’t in rebuild mode. He did, and we most certainly are. He totally wasted his time in the basement and his seat should be hot as hell. I know about the Tedford situation, but it wasn’t the offense that got a 50 burger hung on them during the Dirtybird game. The Baltimore Inmates hung a 48 point humiliation on Lovey Dovies D. He reminds me of a person who has been through a horrific accident of some sort. He just looks shell shocked. All the time! With that said, Go Bucs!
April 12th, 2015 at 9:53 am
OneBuC55…..has done his homework!!! Nice job.
April 12th, 2015 at 10:03 am
Considering Lovie is making almost verbatim all the exact same mistakes he made in Chicago, in which his track record is actually quite poor when examined in depth, means patience is simply waiting to become the Bears again, which is to say sporadic playoff appearances and getting hammered by decent opponents consistently. Without under .500 teams propping up his record, Lovie is a pretty poor coach.
April 12th, 2015 at 10:21 am
@onebuc55 i like ur draft scenario. Nicely done.
April 12th, 2015 at 10:28 am
@onebuc55 itd be nice if we got both of the OT from Oklahoma. Tyrus looks promising as well.
April 12th, 2015 at 10:45 am
Lovie has some excuses. He inherited a team without a quarterback. He threw Josh McCown up aainst the wall and that simmply didn’t stick!
His OC crapped out at exactly the worst possible time in the season. It was too late to actually replace him.
He also has mistakes, most notably the OL is on him!
The Bucs are NOT aas far away as people here wish to believe. They could have easily gone into October 3-1 with the humiliating loss to the Dixie Chicks the only real blowout.
They then had TWO OVERTIME losses in October and the season got away from them. Had they won the games they had in hand in Sept and Oct they would have been leading the weak division.
Yeah I know if the bullfrog had wings he wouldn’t scrape his butt on the big rocks when he jumped. But that’s my point. The 2014 Bucs CHOKED and that is in Lovie….Josh McCown was brought here to protect the ball and he was just the opposite. I can’t recall the last time I saw a professional athlete CHOKE as badly as McCown. And there is no other word for it. McCown played so far below his talent level which is at least mediocre and the rest of the team followed him. As did the coaching staff!!!! You can’t even freaking count to 12.
Tmax would place all of this on Lovie! OK. I simply disagree and believe 2015 has a lot of promise.
April 12th, 2015 at 11:39 am
Schiano got fired after 4 wins. Lovie was suppose to turn this team around. To me rebuilding means 5,6,7, wins. When you are as bad as we were last year… thats not rebuilding. Thats a piss poor job of coaching and evaluating. That falls directly on the coaches. Schiano/Rah never put anything on the field as bad as what we saw last year. There’s just no way you can say that Lovie isn’t on the hot seat if he only gets another 2,3,4 wins this coming season.
April 12th, 2015 at 12:13 pm
I’ve been on board with Lovie and with Winston and have renewed my season tix in the hopes of finally seeing some Bucs offense. That being said, what if…
The Bucs swap 1st pick and a 4th to the Titans in exchange for 1st and 2nd giving us 33 & 34. Then if Titans take Marietta we get Winston , but if they take Winstom who is a better for them, we can trade with Cleveland and pick up 2 1st to use on stude linemen, a n edge rusher at 33 and Hundley at 34. That gives us a string line, a better defense and a great prospect if Glennon doesn’t preform with a solid line.
Just a scenario and I’d love to see Winston racking up some points fit us, but it could be interesting especially if Dallas or another team wants one of our second picks badly enough.
April 12th, 2015 at 12:32 pm
Bucs will win 5 games. Ownership will try to sell that they are heading in the “right direction” and “potential”. they will tell the fans to be excited of some of the rookies that looked good in 2 to 3 games! they will try to give Lovie another average year!
April 12th, 2015 at 1:02 pm
I think Lovie stays at least another year even if he puts up the same record, short of the “Choke” factor. I do think if he comes out and gets a couple of late season Drubbings that he is gone with the same or worse record. As long as the team continues to improve late into the season then he stays. Overtime losses in Nov-Dec against decent teams would still show some improvement. Bring on the Draft!
April 13th, 2015 at 3:08 am
Real simple. I see no holes that make you go nuts on this defense. Why does everyone think we need a franchise DE? We have a rotation here, just like the Seahawks do things, and Joe, Bennett ain’t that great, we have a few guys, in passing downs, no reason with the add of Melton we can’t get to the qb. It’s about fresh legs and depth now, not a 16 sack a year guy. ok, NE and SEA, the 2 superbowl teams, did either have a 15 sack guy? Nope. Does Green Bay, nope. Does Denver, nope. Does Dallas, not last year, we will see with Hardy. Does Carolina, nope. Does Pittsburgh, nope. Does Indy, when old Mathis is healthy. If you see my point, division winners have Franchise quarterbacks, not franchise defensive ends. If the Bucs want go win the division, real simple, GET A OFFENSE. We have a good enough defense, it’s a top 10 defense, we need a offense.
April 13th, 2015 at 7:15 am
With Lovie as coach means we will have to endure more suffering.
April 13th, 2015 at 9:02 am
i really hope he is good enough to be the guy. even if he is average to above average, the bucs could use 5 years of that before pulling the plug on yet another regime. the turnover does more damage than coaches like schiano and morris could otherwise do on their own.
April 13th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
I also think Lovie is not necessarily on the Hot Seat, but “IF” the Bucs come out of the gate in 2015 losing their first three or four games without a turn-around, and/or go with less than six wins for the season, yep; mark Lovie “Gone”.
It’s hard to communicate with anyone who belongs to the Winston Worshipper’s Club, but hopefully, logical thoughtful and intelligent football minds are overseeing the Buccaneer scouting, development and acquisition Department…I still pray for some kind of trade down for multiple picks….”IF” Winston or Mariota are drafted and either one proves to be a bust, (which I think is likely, especially with our Offensive Line woes); it sets the Bucs back an additional five to seven years. (See Josh Freeman, Vinnie Testerverde and Trent Dilfer).
Final Side Note: I’ve never seen a QB take the abuse and literal beating(s) that McCown (and Glennon) took last year, ever; and I’ve been watching pro football almost fifty years.