Jameis Watch: Ron Wolf Howls For Winston
April 20th, 2015
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion James Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
The Hall of Fame general managers are split. Bill Polian, an ardent Johnny Football supporter last year, says Marcus Mariota is the smart choice for the Bucs with the No. 1 overall pick.
His fellow Hall inductee Ron Wolf, class of 2015, says roll with Winston.
Pickpocket-thwarting, Bucs-uniform-frowning, Allie-LaForce-smitten, Big-Ten-Network-hating, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball-box-score-reading, NPR-listening, filthy-hotel-staying, fight-instigating, barista-training Peter King, of Sports Illustrated and NBC Sports fame, brought word today via his Monday Morning Quarterback column.
Here’s an excerpt:
Wolf sounded like he saw some Favre in Winston. In 1991, when Wolf worked the draft for the Jets, he had Favre the number one player on his personal draft list. But the Jets missed on him in the first round, were about to take him in the second round, and Atlanta swooped in to choose him. When Wolf got hired by Green Bay as GM late in 1991, Favre stayed on his mind, even though in Atlanta he had a crummy, party-filled rookie season.
“You have to have a conviction in that job, as general manager,” Wolf said. “I had one about Favre. I thought he was the best player in the draft the previous year, so one year later, what am I going to do if I can get him for our first-round pick? At the time, our quarterbacks in Green Bay were Don Majkowski, Blair Kiel and Mike Tomczak—a 10th and an 11th-round pick, and a free agent. You look around the league, and some teams have first-rounders backing up first-rounders. My attitude was you gotta keep going after it. If you have a conviction on a guy, you better go with that.”
Memo to Tampa Bay GM Jason Licht: The moral of this story, this year, is there isn’t a 100-percent sure thing, for a variety of reasons. You’d better go with your gut. The gut sounds like it’ll be Winston as we sit here, 10 days before D-Day.
King notes that Wolf remains attached to the game as a consultant to NFL teams.
So what does this mean? That’s easy. Smart, successful football men are picking Winston just 10 days before the draft.
Gotta love it. The draft is fantistic because it’s one of the great dice rolls in sports.
April 20th, 2015 at 8:06 am
No way the Glazers allow Jameis Winston on this team…..NO WAY !!
April 20th, 2015 at 8:07 am
if someone is going with their gut they would stay the hell away from winston.
he’s the shiny thing that makes you lose sleep at night.
just say no to thugs
April 20th, 2015 at 8:16 am
Drafting a QB is an inexact science. Both might be busts. No matter witch one we pick we’ll have to do the same thing… Pray.
April 20th, 2015 at 8:19 am
This is worth repeating……..The Glazers obviously have no desire to have Winston as their “face of the franchise”……and I agree with them. You guys can forget about it, because it just ain’t happening. It’s either Marcus, or trade down. They’re businessmen, and they’re not going to take that 20 million dollar risk, not to mention pissing off half their meager fan base.
April 20th, 2015 at 8:21 am
I hope you haters have already placed your jersey orders for #5 with WINSTON on the back. Then you can back peddle, jump on the bandwagon and say you wanted Jameis all along when he takes the Bucs into the playoffs no later than his 2nd year. Quit crying already. Buy your Winston jerseys NOW!
April 20th, 2015 at 8:22 am
10 more days to Winston!!
April 20th, 2015 at 8:23 am
lol the first two to post how ironic….you dudes lol im not gonna debate with you who the bucs will pick, don’t wanna insult you but your both kinda celebrities on this site for all the wrong reason kinda like Winston hahaha. I have a question for JoeJoes Fungi Nails, robert 9. you say no way the glazers draft Winston as if it’s really not a possibility, I just simply want to know what you would do IF they did, don’t wanna hear no they wont because we already know you don’t want them to but if they did what are you really going to do?
April 20th, 2015 at 8:28 am
Today’s sesame street was brought to you by the number 5.
April 20th, 2015 at 8:30 am
Drafting for any position is an “in exact science”, even at the top of the draft; it doesn’t matter if it is a QB or a DE – a 50/50 shot is all you have. So, as the Glazer boys said themselves, ‘a franchise QB (like my boy Winston) can cover up a LOT of other faults”. The “million dollar” risk would be NOT choosing Winston. Time to put your order in for a #5 jersey haters!
April 20th, 2015 at 8:32 am
100% in on Winston 100% against him wearing #5 take jeff Garcia’s #7 instead
April 20th, 2015 at 8:35 am
If I remember correctly Joe, Bill Polian wasn’t the only “ardent Johnny Football supporter” last year…you were too. I find it somewhat funny to see you use his miss on Johnny to justify his inept ability to pick Mariotta over Winston this year. While I see more possibility for an immediate impact from Winston, I don’t see a sure fire number one pick in either one of them. I enjoy your site, but you are putting your football credibility on the line with such an absolute opinion of Winston…one year after you were such an ardent supporter for Manziel. Regardless of who the Bucs pick, lets hope they get it right!! Winston, Mariotta or whoever else…I’ll still be pulling hard for our Pewter Pirates next year too.
April 20th, 2015 at 8:37 am
robert will become a Fins fan as he’s told us numerous times throughout the season and the Winston debates..
That was an easy one.
April 20th, 2015 at 8:39 am
@ 4lyfe
I never said they wouldn’t, in fact I have complete faith L & L will do their best to F this team for the next 5 years and draft him.
I said I don’t think he’s a good bet, I don’t want him, I don’t like him …whatever.
what will I do…..who knows. I cancelled my dish network last year because of the bucs, so probably the only way to get me back would be to trade down or start MG8…and I aint THAT sold on him.
I just know I am not going to pay my hard earned money to watch some a$$ clown. winner or not. he just rubs me the wrong way…and my gut says he’s trouble.
April 20th, 2015 at 8:43 am
nfl network on tv this a.m. said the bucs are having a press conference at 11:30 a.m. today.
could they make the big announcement of whom they are drafting with the #1 pick?
April 20th, 2015 at 8:45 am
Next Thursday night can’t come quick enough, I’m tired of hearing people speculate on what the Glazers are thinking. Let’s just get it over with and move on already.
April 20th, 2015 at 8:49 am
lol Robert 9 oh man that’s rough so your going to that extreme because of one player? you mean the bucs have never drafted a hated player before. you mean those little off field issues and a rape accusation that cant be proven is going to make you give up on football….lol dude your lying your @$$ off but it’s funny. no real fan quits his team cold turkey after draft day because of one person. well atleast Winston would weed out all the real football fans. it’s about sunday dude it’s about the only day you get to wear the uniform get a grip
April 20th, 2015 at 8:57 am
que the real fan comments.
as I mentioned I quit on them last year, now they have to regain my loyalty.
real fan? how about real man.
some of us have kids and better ways to spend our Sundays than to watch this garbage. why do you think i rarely post at night or on weekends?
it’s just not worth the time when they suck that bad, combined with living on the west coast of south FL. better things to do, like go to the beach, water park, play date…hell I’d rather pick my a$$ than watch what they did last year OR support this clown.
April 20th, 2015 at 8:59 am
Robert9…”rubs you the wrong way” OMG, you sound like a female. Get outta your feelings for a moment realize you’ve never met him and just about every person who has enjoys his company. He’s a showman who comes on when then the camera does. He’s 21 dude and acts like a privileged 21 year old when the camera comes on. Not trying to get to like hime cause I don’t really care but tired of people being all silly about this when you probaby have a family member/friend with the same outgoing personality. But Winston is a “thug”…lol. Wow
April 20th, 2015 at 8:59 am
joe, i think your most ardent readers\page refresh addicts at the moment are the ones who wait for you to put an article up so they can get the final bit of winston trolling in before next thursday night
April 20th, 2015 at 9:05 am
thats the 1st time I ever called him thug. it just ryhmed. I don’t really think he’s thug, he aint gangsta, he’s just a self entitled dumb $hit imo
April 20th, 2015 at 9:07 am
10 Days till Winston becomes the franchise QB the Bucs have never had.
April 20th, 2015 at 9:08 am
Yea and bill polian says pick Mariota.
April 20th, 2015 at 9:08 am
I can’t wait for Jameis to be selected by the Bucs.
April 20th, 2015 at 9:10 am
robert 9 Says:
April 20th, 2015 at 8:39 am
“he just rubs me the wrong way…and my gut says he’s trouble.”
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LOL – Pot – meets Kettle – and calls him names
April 20th, 2015 at 9:11 am
10 more days till Mariota is our new quarterback who will represent the organization with class and high character and not throw meaning less interceptions by not recognizing underneath coverage time and time again, someone who won’t embarrass this football team. I can’t wait for Mariota.
April 20th, 2015 at 9:15 am
So what does this mean? That’s easy. Smart, successful football men are picking Winston just 10 days before the draft.
So much for balance eh Joe. I get most of my Buc news from this site. In addition to your one sided posts…90% Winston 10% Mariota…and the lopsided comments section loaded with FSU, I get and support their loyalty to their team, I was lead totally astray on this selection.
Then I read the draft preview editions of both ESPN the mag and SI.
And so what I learned from going outside of JameisBucsFan? You could say…
So what does this mean? That’s easy. Smart, successful football men are picking Mariota just 10 days before the draft.
There is support from smart football men for BOTH players. In fact I didn’t do quantitative research but Mariota comes out looking far far better in national…read unbiased publications…than he does here on JameisBucsFan.
And so for me there are two issues here. The debate over which player the Bucs should select and the debate over which player they WILL select.
Regarding the first everybody is entitled to their opinion including you Joes. If you wish to reflect that opinion by pimping for Fameis I’m cool with that.
Regarding the second…IF the Bucs do not select Fameis then you Joes and quite a few posters here will have egg on their face and crow on the menu. That will cause me to lose some respect journalistically for you Joes. If you’re plugged in at OBP that’s great. And I must concede that while you’ve presented this frequently as a done deal you have dropped some disclaimers about Lovie doing the unpredictable.
As for me I’ll have no egg nor eat no crow. I’m taking the rational position.
Both these players are great PROSPECTS! Neither is a slam dunk. Trading down and going for Petty later has some merit as well. All positions being espoused on this blog have been reasonable except for those who ASSUME any done deals or guarantee the NFL success of either of these QB’s. There are no slam dunks and the people posting here as if they are CERTAIN are lacking in credibility IMHO.
April 20th, 2015 at 9:17 am
@Robert 9,
“…what will I do…..who knows…”
As per my earlier suggestion, buy a Winston jersey now, change your handle to “Bob 5” and say you were always a Jameis lover!
@4lyfe,
“100% in on Winston 100% against him wearing #5 take jeff Garcia’s #7 instead”
That is so right on. Take 7, or 12, or whatever. But please not #5. Every time I see that associated with our new Franchise QB, it just creeps me out. Lol
April 20th, 2015 at 9:18 am
Lmao these clowns can cut out the racial undertones about thug this thief that the bottom line is he’s the best get over it! And if any young person admits mistakes we should embrace not put down! That makes you worst than him!! GROWN UP!!
April 20th, 2015 at 9:19 am
@Supersam
No he’ll just fumble the ball away. both these guys are good but don’t you think it’s kinda stupid to say one will be a superstar because he has no off field issues and the other will be a bust? vick had no off field issues neither did freeman before he was drafted. don’t know if one of both will be great but some people sound really stupid and ignorant saying what he will be because of what goes on when not in uniform and if you didn’t. im sorry that Winston is called the best quarterback in the draft.
April 20th, 2015 at 9:24 am
@Joe
Can you set up a chat room on draft night for all the Mariota supporters? It will be fun to have them all consolidated in one spot for optimal trolling.
April 20th, 2015 at 9:27 am
robert 9, you devote more energy to posting on joebucsfan.com than anybody i can recall seeing. if this is you quitting on the bucs, good for you, because whatever your commitment level was before you “quit” must’ve been very unhealthy
April 20th, 2015 at 9:27 am
Joe please look for a psychiatrist to advertise on your site. If the Bucs don’t pick Winston there will be a few on here who will need to talk to someone.
87 will need major help… Putting on his Glennon jersey.. Or will he become a Tenn fan…
April 20th, 2015 at 9:28 am
Joe I did some homework yesterday on the most used complaint on Winston. Which is he’s a rapist, Nick last week referenced a great article by a Harvard Law Graduate. Of course most probably didn’t read it. Well here’s a great take on existing NFL QBs. Over 12% of QBs that started games last year pleaded, settled in court, or was accused of Sexual Assault. Two are future HOF’ers. Now I would bet money that some of these “high integrity” complainers of Jameis cheer or have cheered for one of these guys. I know from viewing your site for years that they have wished the Bucs would pick at least one up in FA. So armed with that knowledge, the haters are either: Loyal to a college that’s not FSU, ignorant of NFL players past, or worst a blind racist! But make no mistake they fit in one of those categories.
April 20th, 2015 at 9:31 am
I can guarantee ONE thing. I sure will have this page open next thursday night. I can’t wait to see some of the sweetmelts. I , for one, can not get angry so I will Enjoy all the melt downs. Gonna be fun
April 20th, 2015 at 9:37 am
the glazers paid gruden $15 million to not coach because they thought it was their path back to winning. the glazers committed to 5 years if schiano and paid him to not coach the last 3 years because they thought it was the path back to winning. if they think JW is the path back to winning, i don’t think the financial cost of failure would deter them from picking the kid. reputation, maybe, but how much reputation is left to lose after 30-70 since gruden left, 2 head coaches leaving in disgrace (one after a 10 game losing streak and the other after billboards\mrsa\turning a laugingstock into a laughing-even-harder-stock), and one “franchise” QB going haywire. the bucs’ record on the field and in the franchise QB department mean that either mariotta or winston would need to fail in exceptional and unprecedented ways to further lower the status of this franchise from where it sits today. and in the money department, the bucs probably pissed away more guaranteed money the on michael johnson\anthony collins\mccown mess last year, i think the financial risk is well justified if you think there is a shot. even the cost of making a bad pick is not that great in the big picture. there maybe a JJ watt type deeper in the first round, but i don’t think too many people will be kicking themselves for missing out on the top 5 or so non-QBs in this draft.
April 20th, 2015 at 9:40 am
I would pay a $1,000 to sit next to Barry, robert 9, supersam, JJFN, MariotaJoe and Erik@trollingforclicks.com on draft night.
April 20th, 2015 at 9:41 am
Horice: So your brilliant Harvard Law defense is that since others have been able to combine rape with a NFL career it is no big deal or if it is we are all racist.
April 20th, 2015 at 9:42 am
But will get sacked time and time again and fumble the ball more times than i care to see…
So funny that for a guy that is “so athletic” he gets sacked quite often.
April 20th, 2015 at 9:45 am
Hey, here is a BIG difference regarding the reaction by fans after the Bucs make their selection. If they draft Mariota, their fan base will be excited, and the numbers will not be reduced. If they draft Winston, only half of the fan base will be excited, and their fan base WILL be reduced. Clarity is beginning to set in. And Joel Glazer knows it all too well.
April 20th, 2015 at 9:52 am
@Mariota Joe
You’d make a great broadcast TV executive. It’s possible that the most milquetoast choice would not reduce the fan base, however, if you’re trying to make the Sopranos or Mad Men you have to take chances sometimes. And I promise you the Glazers will not lose a cent over Winston. There’s a reason why it’s cliche to say “there’s no such thing as bad publicity”. No one stopped going to Eagles games when they signed Vick. It actaully raised their national profile that year and probably contributed to the bottom line. Winston does not hurt them business-wise next year.
April 20th, 2015 at 9:53 am
broadcast=ABC, CBS, NBC btw..
April 20th, 2015 at 10:03 am
The Glazer are too smart to further embarrass this organization with all the negative publicity of a Winston media circus.
April 20th, 2015 at 10:29 am
There you go a yo “celly” whus up my dude.
April 20th, 2015 at 10:30 am
I bought a pair of sneakers from a drug dealer. I don’t know what he laced them with, but I’ve been tripping all weekend.
April 20th, 2015 at 10:58 am
Jameis will have comitted 3 felonies by the end of his rookie season
April 20th, 2015 at 11:01 am
No way the Glazers allow the extreme minority scare them out of picking the only sure fire quarterback in this draft Jameis Winston. For all of the fans that say they will boycott the team if the Bucs draft Winston I say don’t let the door hit you on the way out! We have been laughing stock cellar dwellars without a decent QB since 1976 and I can only hope the Glazers change all of that on draft day.
April 20th, 2015 at 11:04 am
Mallory, there were THREE choices, but you gave me a fourth, LEARN HOW TO READ BEFORE YOU CHALLENGE A TAKE! Your so blinded with bigotry hate for Winston that you either couldn’t remember my take or you took out what offended you (which is probably where you are, thus why it struck a nerve) and commented on it. It is guaranteed that you don’t follow the Bucs or NFL anywhere near the capacity that I do. And as a Floridian born and raised in tthe Bay Area. And truly a follower of the Bucs from the Sunbreror days. I want my team to take the BEST QB, PERIOD! I came into the offense neutral on Jameis and Marcus. I did as much homework as a fan can on the both. Including watching, listening and reading EVERYTHING out there on the two. My SIMPLE point is no Jameis hater can say with a honest, football knowledge heart that Mariota is even near him on he field of play. Mariota reminds me of Freeman in terms of on field mindset, way too passive! And if it’s off the field stuff, then do your DA#N homework and don’t just take what’s there at face value. If you can do that then you lack some character traits!
April 20th, 2015 at 11:05 am
I tried to think of a quarterback that is succesful in the NFL that is as uninspiring and emotionless as Marcus Mariotta and I could not think of one. Please bring us Jameis who will make everyone around him better with his charisma and motivational style. We need this guy there is not one person on the Bucs now that has that.
April 20th, 2015 at 11:10 am
all you guys busting schianos balls saying the rah rah crap don’t fly in the nfl might want to look in the mirror.
you ladies really think jameis going rah rah after throwing 3 picks is going to make the veterans enthusiastic? vjax will probably slap him.
April 20th, 2015 at 11:16 am
robert 9 rubs me the wrong way…
Perhaps he rubs himself the right way though…:)
April 20th, 2015 at 11:20 am
smiling when thinking of me rubbing myself.
#creepy
thanks for pointing out that was not me Friday night. I saw the imposter posting crap with my fameis screen name
April 20th, 2015 at 11:28 am
“I would pay a $1,000 to sit next to Barry, robert 9, supersam, JJFN, MariotaJoe and Erik@trollingforclicks.com on draft night.”
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ummmmmm that sounds like a circlejerk that i would not want to be near!
April 20th, 2015 at 11:32 am
@Buc4lyfe
but don’t you think it’s kinda stupid to say one will be a superstar because he has no off field issues and the other will be a bust?
Yes that would be waaay stupid because BOTH of the players are still PROSPECTS until they prove their value in the NFL. BOTH have pros and cons on the field.
@Horice
the haters are either: Loyal to a college that’s not FSU, ignorant of NFL players past, or worst a blind racist! But make no mistake they fit in one of those categories.
That’s a pretty limited number of choices. Now if you’re restricting “haters” to the group that calls Fameis “thug” a racist term in this connotation or “rapist” Fameis gets the presumption of innocence lacking any conviction then I might agree.
But there are at least two other categories you left out.
Those who simply feel Mariota is the better prospect given the direction the NFL is headed. They include people like Chucky, Jim Mora, Ron Jaworski and plenty of others with pretty good NFL credentials.
Then there is another group who DO give Fameis the benefit of the doubt but read national magazines like ESPN the Mag…which features Fameis on the cover with the caption…The Most Polarizing Player in America.
That group doesn’t really care about Fameis innocence or guilt, in fact they may wish the best for him personally but simply believe it’s not worth the added distraction to draft the most polarizing players in America.
Remember that was bestowed on him not by some liberal newspaper like the N.Y. Times, or by “haters” or Mariota fans on this blog, but by a nationally respected sports magazine after much research on the draft.
It is very possible to be against drafting Fameis without being a “moron” “stupid” , “racist”, ‘Gator” or FSU hater.
April 20th, 2015 at 11:34 am
wow. wolf knew the importance of qb play way back in 1991/1992. he knew 11th, 12th, free agent qb’s, or glennon don’t get the job done.
we definitely need a qb, and winston is the superior prospect!
April 20th, 2015 at 11:35 am
wow. wolf knew the importance of qb play way back in 1991/1992. he knew 11th and 12th rounders, free agent qb’s, or glennon don’t get the job done.
we definitely need a qb, and winston is the superior prospect!
April 20th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
Horice Says:
April 20th, 2015 at 11:04 am
“do your DA#N homework”
LOL at the edit – didn’t “DAMN” come off the unacceptable cuss word list in 1939 when Rhett Butlet said it to Scarlett O’Hara in GWTW?
April 20th, 2015 at 2:26 pm
Kobe is pretty polarizing.
Worked out pretty well for him and the Lakers.
April 20th, 2015 at 3:57 pm
Good point Boltisle and Fameis could also work out for the Bucs…then again…