“Prickly” Debate On Picks
April 14th, 2015
Prickly Pete Prisco of CBS Sports is firing at Jameis Winston haters today on Twitter.
It has come to this: in the midst of silly season, where rumors and bulls(p)it about “risers” and “fallers” in the draft are all the rage, folks wonder why Joe is just about fried with the draft.
Joe can only wonder how the casual fans thinks.
(As a bit of mental vacation — and it doesn’t mean Joe isn’t going to pound the keyboard each day for this here site — for a few days this week, Joe will be in one of the few towns in America where the draft will be far down the totem pole of sports discussion from, say, the workload of Yadi Molina or if Matt Carpenter should be batting third.)
One who seems to have his nerves frayed more than usual is prickly Pete Prisco of CBS Sports. As he is wont to do, Prisco is in the middle of a Twitter dust-up. Today, of all things, Prisco is swinging at the Jameis Winston haters.
One thing the haters can’t shake Winston’s picks in 2014. Joe has already written how picks by quarterbacks in college don’t mean much if anything when they get to the NFL.
And Prisco is wasting energy trying to get the sloths of Twitter to understand.
For those on the Winston interception train, Let me say this again: FSU coaches told teams five of 18 were his fault. So there’s that
— Pete Prisco (@PriscoCBS) April 14, 2015
Gunslingers throw picks. Period. It’s easy to play it safe and not throw them. Signed — Brett Favre. — Pete Prisco (@PriscoCBS) April 14, 2015
Or as Mike Tomlin once said about Ben Roethlisberger’s picks, “Gunslingers sometimes get shot.”
Not quite two more weeks until NFL warden commissioner Roger Goodell calls Winston’s name for the Bucs.
April 14th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
I don’t care what FSU Coaches said. They were all his fault, because he stared down his targets and let the defenses know where he was going.
HE even admitted to that.
April 14th, 2015 at 4:08 pm
I think Prisco is mis-quoting. I remember Jimbo saying 8 of the 18 Int’s were the fault of the QB last year.
But what would coach Fisher know? Its not like he knew the exact play calls and what the receiver’s and OLine’s assignments were….
April 14th, 2015 at 4:11 pm
just watch the gruden interview …..they showed countless picks to the same WR …Gruden was laughing, like dude….you got more than one WR
so there is merit to comments about him staring down receivers.
I’ll probably watch on throwback week just to see what he looks like in orange
April 14th, 2015 at 4:15 pm
You go home with the date that brought you to the dance. I’m sure that was his best receiver. Can’t fault a man for throwing to a guy who can actually catch the ball.
April 14th, 2015 at 4:15 pm
Dan Marino threw 46 INTs his last 2 years in college. You children do know who he is? JW’s INTs mean just as much as MM’s lack of INTs. Get over it..
April 14th, 2015 at 4:15 pm
The only good receiver he had was Green so he did force some balls. He’s got Evans, Jackson and Jenkins in tampa. Pick your poison.
April 14th, 2015 at 4:17 pm
Mm fumbled 23 times 23!!!!! To Jameis 11.
April 14th, 2015 at 4:17 pm
Joe(s):
I’ve noticed a disturbing trend in the bar immediately above each article. The headings contain “Defending Your Family,” “Nursing Home Abuse and Neglect,” “Won 77% of DUI’s in 2014,” and, most disturbingly, “Accused of a Crime?” What is the message here? Are you a closet “hater?”
April 14th, 2015 at 4:18 pm
Mm lost 11 of 23 lucky only that winston lost 4. Is a fumble not a turnover????
April 14th, 2015 at 4:19 pm
More than a few of those INTs were non-catches/popped up balls that I’d pin on the receiver…
April 14th, 2015 at 4:20 pm
FSU’s running game ranked 104th in the nation…Winston had throw to win games and defenses knew this…Draft JW1 he’s a Winner…Mariota is Blaine Gabbert 2.0
April 14th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
Here we go round the mulberry bush…
The mulberry bush…
The mulberry bush…
April 14th, 2015 at 4:34 pm
To those in the interception debate I have to agree college interceptions are not relevant as prior pointed out Dan Marino and Brett Farve here’s a fun fact for the Mariota lovers . Infamous Josh Johnson our fifth round pick in 08 I wanna say he threw for 43 touchdowns and an impressive 1 interception his last collegiate season. He was a prospect similar to mariota as he relyed heavily upon his legs and the system he played . How did his NFL career fair , how did the lack of ints translate to the NFL. A career bench rider with two starts . And with that I say bring on the interceptions,bring on Winston!
April 14th, 2015 at 4:36 pm
Give Winston Mike Evans and V-Jax and I bet those INTs come down considerably.
April 14th, 2015 at 4:39 pm
Idk Greg mile Evans may help bring them down but v drops might increase hopefully he doesn’t spend this summer at the movies eating that popcorn like he did last year.
April 14th, 2015 at 4:41 pm
@dandood
Very well said!!!! Winston to Tampa!!!
April 14th, 2015 at 4:54 pm
Im a Winston fan, but im gonna say it alot more than 5. Gruden even pointed more than 5. Not all of them were his fault, but alot were as well due to him forcing it to his favorite WR
April 14th, 2015 at 4:56 pm
Again what about Mariota’s 27 fumbles that never get discussed.
April 14th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
Winston will have more than 1 viable target in Tampa. Don’t sweat the small stuff folks. Gene Deckerhoff is going to get to get to call more games with Winston at QB. Bank on it. Get over it if you don’t like it or jump ship if you are such a fake fan that you will jump ship over not getting your way. If they pick Mariota then that is fine as they will obviously let Glennon continue to take the helm for another couple of seasons but I think they are going Winston.
April 14th, 2015 at 5:01 pm
And calling Mariota Blaine Gabbert is harsh. I see him as a smaller Cam Newton
April 14th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
This guy got it right. This is his comment on NFL.com:
So Mariota fumbled 27 times in 41 games and lost 11 with 14 INTs in 41 games. That’s a total of 25 turnovers in 41 games. Winston in 14 fewer games than Mariota had 13 fumbles in 27 games and lost 4 with 28 INts in 27 games. That’s a total of 31 turnovers in 27 games. Mariota’s turnover ratio was 1 turnover for every 6 quarters games played, while Winston’s turnover ratio was 1 turnover for every 3 quarters game played, and again that’s with 14 fewer games than Mariota. Just think how bad Winston’s turnover ratio would look if his sample size was 41 games? So, no matter how you spin it Daniel Jeremiah, Winston needs to learn more about ball security than Mariota, period.
April 14th, 2015 at 5:06 pm
Mariota who?
April 14th, 2015 at 5:09 pm
@Joe… does this mean no more Winston articles until the Draft? We all need a vacation from Winston. While you’re on vacation having a few beers and in a drunken stupor you can write a few articles about Mariota and we realize they’ll be somewhat slurred due to you being intoxicated.
Please drive carefully or you’ll need the support of one of your advertised DWI law firms.
April 14th, 2015 at 5:25 pm
When Winston had Benjamin interceptions were not an issue. I like green but he’s no where the same player as Benjamin. Plus most of those interceptions where Winston pushing the ball down field….like he’ll have time to do that here 🙂
April 14th, 2015 at 5:28 pm
So, like i posted a cpl days ago, far less are believed to be even near his fault entirely..i dont give a damn if he stared down rashad if it took 2 dbs to tackle rashad before the ball arrived its interference..bc and miami were two abysmal no calls resulting in ints..plenty more were too..refs made it near impossible at times. Watch the bc pick, a game whede jameis was lights out in the rain..its a perfect pass and rashad crosses dbs face on a slant (winning) and gets turned completely around by his left shoulder by the corner, to where hes on his back, and the safety licks it off a tip..the bc corner, announcers celebrate and no one even addresses how blatant the no call is..im not for preferential treatment, whatsoever, but good lord, have some integrity when questioning his turnovers, or else you lose all credibility.
April 14th, 2015 at 5:29 pm
As a hardcore Winston supporter I’d say he was responsible for a lot more than 5.
I think Daniel Jeremiah charted it and saw like 4 richochet interceptions – meaning it hit off WR. Not sure beyond that how many were also because WR ran wrong route. I’d say he was still responsible for like 12-14 last year.
In the end I don’t care. Dude put the team on his back with no support most games and still disected defenses in the 2nd half and went undefeated in the regular season with a bad defense and bad run game against solid NCAA defenses.
April 14th, 2015 at 5:31 pm
No, when he had the reliable slot man kenny’first down’ shaw alongside rashad and kelvin he was unstoppable..3 1,000 yd receivers…stare down?? Bwahahahahaaaa!! Idiots
April 14th, 2015 at 5:33 pm
Picks last year counting, Jameis>Marcus
April 14th, 2015 at 5:37 pm
Winston, the second most talented prospect after Andrew Luck in several years, is a mere 21 years of age. Mariota is not the only prospect considered to develop, so will Winston. Interceptions are to be expected in each QB’s rookie year. (And dare I say fumbles as well, Mr. Mariota). As Skip B. stated today. “Winston going number one overall is a slam dunk. Followed by his colleague Stephen A. declaring that the Bucs “will rue the day if they pass on Winston with the number one overall pick”.
April 14th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
“Stephen A. declaring that the Bucs “will rue the day if they pass on Winston with the number one overall pick”.”
Ha ha ha thanks Steven A Smith, BUT I said it first!
Check the date…lol
Buc1987 Says:
November 7th, 2014 at 7:32 pm
“The Bucs and the rest of you non believers will rue the day that they pass up on Jameis Winston.”
“Mark down fools.”
April 14th, 2015 at 6:05 pm
This whole QB worship thing reminds of how guitarists
were over-valued in 80’s metal bands. Years later it’s
all about the vocalist as it should be.
April 14th, 2015 at 6:06 pm
Its gonna be winston. Quit whining. I just dont see mariota as an elite passer half his throws are at the line of scrimage and screens. And read option.bs. he will.need time to learn. it wont work in tampa jamies and a couple olinemen. Instantly makes us better
April 14th, 2015 at 6:06 pm
Brilliant analogy Howard.
April 14th, 2015 at 6:07 pm
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April 14th, 2015 at 6:08 pm
Buc 1987 and Stephen A two of my most favorite reads (and in that order).
April 14th, 2015 at 6:08 pm
Howard is a genius.
April 14th, 2015 at 6:09 pm
Howard Cosell is dreamy with his awesome posts
April 14th, 2015 at 6:22 pm
No Mm fumbled 23 times senior year!
April 14th, 2015 at 6:24 pm
Dave Pear is my favorite poster.
He is very eloquent and handsome too!
April 14th, 2015 at 7:31 pm
The selection made, it has been. Worry not about what others say. Fill out the card, do they? I think not. Lost in this, how important the rest of the draft is. Select the right warriors we must, one player does not make a team. OT, OG, DE? Those decisions, still in flux are they. Yet how important they are. Ill afford the wrong selection can we. Debit their merits, we should.
April 14th, 2015 at 7:51 pm
Did somebody say interceptions?
April 14th, 2015 at 8:48 pm
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For those on the Winston interception train, Let me say this again: FSU coaches told teams five of 18 were his fault. So there’s that
…………………………
Jaws said he watched all 18 ints and said there should be 13 more.
Guess we Bucs fans should not listen to People and just be prepared to SUPPORT a QB
April 14th, 2015 at 8:50 pm
I am not trying to be Anti Winston and am obviously Pro UF but Every Int he threw in our game was Boneheaded. Yes we had a good D but in a UF//USF game you throw away stats.
April 14th, 2015 at 9:13 pm
Did somebody say interception?
April 14th, 2015 at 9:40 pm
Add Washington University head coach Chris Peterson into the growing list of idiots who know absolutely nothing about football compared to all these experts here on JBF
April 14th, 2015 at 9:45 pm
Keepitreal Says:
April 14th, 2015 at 6:22 pm
No Mm fumbled 23 times senior year!
…
Keep keeping it real
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/1880862/marcus-mariota
April 14th, 2015 at 9:49 pm
So 27 times in 3 yrs with 11 lost!
April 14th, 2015 at 10:16 pm
The interceptions are a red flag (or a caution flag at the least). Some here have pointed out the high rate of INTs by Marino and Favre to support the pick of Winston at 1 despite the INTs. As you will recall, Marino was selected at the bottom round one because of the alarming INTs and Favre lasted until the 2nd round. If we were talking about taking Winston in that range, then Winston would be a good pick. But we are talking about investing more than that. We are talking about the #1 overall pick.
Also, Lovie may not like having a “gunslinger” for a QB. He may prefer his QB take more calculated risks with ball security and lean on his defense. So this might be an attribute about Winston that gives the Bucs some hesitation.
In sum, the high INT rate is legitimate criticism.
April 14th, 2015 at 10:24 pm
Are we ……………………………………….still talking about Mariota?
April 14th, 2015 at 10:45 pm
So Jameis scored 27 on the wonderlic.
One point less than Manning. Same as Brees and Russell Wilson.
Hater Jameis myth number 1000 debunked.
April 14th, 2015 at 11:00 pm
Did he really Eric? That’s great news if he does become our pick. Good to hear.
April 14th, 2015 at 11:03 pm
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
April 14th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
I don’t care what FSU Coaches said. They were all his fault, because he stared down his targets and let the defenses know where he was going.
HE even admitted to that.
Miserable.
April 14th, 2015 at 11:14 pm
Yea he starred down Greene and O’leary,makes perfect since to me considering those two teammates would be going in the same draft he was. So rather than help they’re draft stock let me throw the ball to some relative unknowns. And still only lose one game in the process. Not bad if you ask me.
April 15th, 2015 at 12:09 am
Mariota scored a 33 on the wonderlic test. Jamarcus Russell scored a 24. Jim kelly and dan marino scored a 15 on the wonderlic test. They say the minimum to play qb is to score at least a 20 on the test. My question is, what does the tape tell you? Who has the warriors’ mentality? Who has the biggest heart? Who truly wants to play football? Who wants to be great? Do not over think this thing.
April 15th, 2015 at 2:49 am
Damn, wouldn’t it be nice to have a qb that could throw for 4000 yards around 12 int, and consistently bring us back to win football games! Oh wait…………….. He got cut for Glennon.
April 15th, 2015 at 5:02 am
MM’s facial expression is not amused by any of these comments.
April 15th, 2015 at 5:07 am
Mariablo thinks fumbles are like cigars in Ybor city…plentiful but overrated. Mariablo enjoys a good fumble from time to time and doesn’t understand what the big deal is.
April 15th, 2015 at 7:36 am
@Samcro – No QB at Oregon since the Chip Kelly era began has thrown for double digit interceptions. Let me repeat that! NO QB AT OREGON HAS THROWN DOUBLE DIGIT INTERCEPTIONS SINCE THE CHIP KELLY ERA BEGAN! That is not a coincidence! There really is no point in debating between the two. Mariota was given a system to run and he did it well. The fact is that the system he ran tells us nothing about whether he can perform well as an NFL QB. Also, I wish Mariota lovers would stop saying he has a higher ceiling. Why? Because he runs a fast 40? Because spread QBs have historically performed so well in the NFL. Because Winston will now focus on football year round it will hurt his progress?
I am so sick of the debate and just want it over with. Same conversations over and over and at this point I don’t care anymore. Wish L&L had some balls and just said who they’re taking. We cannot trade the pick no matter what so just announce it. The fans don’t want an aging Philip Rivers, an injured Sam Bradford, or some combination of picks that don’t give us one of these two QBs.
April 15th, 2015 at 7:50 am
@ teebee – Marino did not slip in the draft because of ints. So annoying when people make sht up to fi their narrative. He slipped because of rumored drug use! SMH!
April 15th, 2015 at 5:30 pm
Regardless of whether he stared down the receiver or not, many interceptions in all levels of football are not the fault of a qb. If the wrong route is ran its not his fault. If the receiver bobbles the ball and it gets picked its not his fault.
Yes he needs to work on forcing the ball to one guy. That is kind of scary. That was one of Freemans biggest problems. But Freeman didnt have the fire this guy has. I want to see him and Glennon battle it out through training camp.