Overcoming “Lies”
April 8th, 2015
Joe’s friend Mike Freeman, the longtime NFL writer now with BleacherReport.com, has tracked former Bucs leaky, sleepy franchise quarterback Josh Freeman for months.
And he penned a long piece today titled, “How Josh Freeman earned another chance?”
You can read the full offering here. It paints Freeman in a great light but seems to ignore a share of Freeman question marks, ones that matter little now that he’s on the Dolphins roster.
This is Josh Freeman. He’s in Florida, at IMG Academy, one of several places he’s trained in his year away from the NFL, and it’s the morning. Drill after drill, and pass after pass. The dropback is effortless, the passes on target. This goes on for 90 minutes. A bit to eat, and then comes the playbook study. The routine continues for weeks and months. And more months.
This is Josh Freeman. This month, more training, except he’s in Arizona. It’s two-a-days on a local high school field. More throws, more work. It’s 90 minutes in the morning, a break for lunch, and then 90 more in the afternoon. Red-zone concepts, pressures, long throws, short ones. Drill after drill, and pass after pass. Different state, different field, but same strong work ethic.
This is also Josh Freeman. He is back in Kansas City, where he lives part of the year, and there is yet another field, and more passes, and more work. There is also more film study. He looks at cutups of his career—every play, positive and negative. “I take out the emotion of how I felt on that play,” he says, “and I look at that play honestly. I look at how I did on it. I’m really looking to improve.”
Mike Freeman quotes unnamed NFL team executives saying “lies” about Freeman, part of a “false campaign” that emerged from One Buc Palace, scared teams off, and that’s why Freeman didn’t have a QB job sooner.
The timing of the story is interesting, considering former Bucs rockstar general manager Mark Dominik just told a national radio audience last week that “poor choices off the field” sank Freeman and there was a campaign to, in fact, throw him and Greg Schiano “under the bus.”
Joe disagrees with how Freeman was handled on the field by the Bucs, but clearly Freeman had something going on that had nothing to do with Xs and Os. Something led Freeman to miss opening day of his 2013 summer camp, then give this rambling, way-out-of-character radio interview, followed by missing the Bucs team photo and breaking team rules on opening day.
Joe wishes Freeman well.
April 8th, 2015 at 10:51 am
Good luck to him. Hope he got a new agent after the last one either convinced him to or didn’t stop him from handling his departure from the Bucs as badly as it ended up going down.
April 8th, 2015 at 10:53 am
Lies from 1 buc???
He got 2 jobs quickly after he left and the vikes and giants quickly let him go.
I remember JOE said a long time ago we wouldn’t hear more about the leaks bc they came from the freeman camp, and he was right.
I hope he gets right bc he could have been a great one. If he didn’t get off track, he’d be 2 years into a fat 2nd contract with tampa.
April 8th, 2015 at 11:02 am
I wish Josh well! I hate for anyone to throw away the God-given talent they are blessed with…no matter why it happened! Not everyone gets a second chance…I hope Freeman uses his wisely!
April 8th, 2015 at 11:06 am
NFLPA investigation could clear all this up. Of course it would come out Josh and his agent engaged in a smear campaign against the Bucs to get released. Oh and Mike Freeman is a hack.
April 8th, 2015 at 11:09 am
Ah, the collateral damage of Greg Schiano… wish the guy all the best. Hope he’s learned some valuable lessons from this clown show.
April 8th, 2015 at 11:11 am
I hope JFro-6paks flames out in Miami. And I hope that this is his last chance at Football. You can be a bust, but when you fail and you try to bring everyone down with you is unforgivable!!!
Has he ever thanked the Tampa Fans for believing in him? for rooting for him? Nope, never
April 8th, 2015 at 11:21 am
I understand posting this story, as Josh Freeman was once viewed as the franchise QB/face of the franchise, and he was once my favorite active player, but man talk about one guy who I wouldn’t mind ever hearing about again.
I don’t wish Josh any ill will, but at the same time, I don’t wish him well either. He sabotaged the Bucs and his actions off the field led to a dramatic decline in production on the field.
If the Bucs select Winston with the first overall pick, hopefully he becomes the franchise QB in the #5 jersey that Freeman could have become. If that happens, the entire Freeman debacle would at least have that silver lining for the Bucs and their fans.
April 8th, 2015 at 11:22 am
lol release of freeman led to the firing of schiano and signing of josh mccown meaning mike glennon was nothing more than yet another distraction and bad decision by a bad coach. why is it real head coaches seem to know how to deal with problem quarterbacks. Chicago coach came in and was clear in saying cutler has to earn his job, why couldn’t schiano simply be freeman’s job to lose instead of giving two quarterback equal reps and the presumed start of the entire offense any reps? he’s an idiot coach who could have made the freeman thing work. personally you have the upper hand if you have a player going into a contract year knowing he is playing for a big contract in tampa or some other team. say what you want about his off field issues but you don’t cut a quarterback and pay him 10 million to just go away that’s idiotic.
people talk about how inaccurate josh freeman was but want to ignore the fact that in first year glennon had mike Williams and v jack, second year in limited action had vjack and mike evans but he’s still has a CAREER 58% completion percentage. MGM deal that, we didn’t have the worst quarterback in the NFC until freeman was cut
April 8th, 2015 at 11:24 am
Josh’s performance with the vikings in his one game there was one of the worst I have ever seen. I liked josh and I hope he does well, but he can blame himself for being out of a job lately
April 8th, 2015 at 11:29 am
@bucs4lies
There were equal reps between the two because Freeman would show up half way thru pratice!
Since Freeman took over the Bucs have been the bottom of the NFC south. Except the year Carolina tanked it for Cam Newton the #1 overall pick. Freeman did nothing with the Bucs and will continue to do nothing with Miami
April 8th, 2015 at 11:29 am
Freeman does not have the ball placement and accuracy to be an NFL franchise QB…
He is also statistically one of the worst QBs when facing pressure in the pocket…
He can practice, eat, practice and repeat this every day for ten years and it still won’t change this fact…
I’m just glad he is no longer a Buc…
April 8th, 2015 at 11:34 am
Who? Lol
April 8th, 2015 at 11:39 am
Anybody can practice like a champion. It’s what happens on the field that matters. On the field in 2013, something went horribly wrong with him. Who knows what it was? I don’t really care anymore. Does anyone?
April 8th, 2015 at 11:39 am
Freewee is exactly what he should be. A 3rd string QB that will never get the chance to play in any games unless a catastrophe happens at the QB position. He may not even make the team. Pathetic people are still lying for this sack of crap.
April 8th, 2015 at 11:40 am
As I recall, if there were lies they came from Boomer and Phil Sims. Especially Boomer.
April 8th, 2015 at 11:42 am
show up half way through practice? what starting quarterback simply gives away a job by not showing up, you should stupid….I’m embarrassed for having to defend freeman and it annoys me greatly because I know how inaccurate he was but I also know about all the comeback victories (9), I also remember him being second leader rusher behind vick one year, I also know about all the records he holds here including touchdown to int ratio. it’s beyond me that because you don’t like him and think he is a drug addict you take away credit for the things he did do.
glennon has done less, cant even start and just like glennon is wildly inaccurate. you nuts look at a couple good throws and think glennon is accurate but apparently The Buc Realist failed math since he doesn’t know glennon’s completion percentage is just as bad as freemans. 58% for a white guy must be amazing compared to 58% for a whatever freeman is. talk about glennon being better when he finally starts……vjack had the best season of his career with freeman throwing to him, if freeman can do it but glennon cant hmmm
April 8th, 2015 at 11:45 am
Your schtick is really tired at this point Bucs4lyfe. Schiano is gone, let it go already.
April 8th, 2015 at 11:46 am
Lol amen Couch
April 8th, 2015 at 11:49 am
Free4Lyfe never knows when to quit..
The Freemanites are dead, accept it and move along 😉 Ahahaha
April 8th, 2015 at 11:54 am
Right now Freeman is just like the Bucs off seasons. Lots of hope until the first snap is fumbled. Freeman’s NFL 15 minutes is almost up.
April 8th, 2015 at 11:54 am
bucrightoff Says:
April 8th, 2015 at 11:45 am
Your schtick is really tired at this point Bucs4lyfe. Schiano is gone, let it go already.
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your right I forget……bucs fans are the most forgetful sorry excuse for fans in the entire nfl…a lot of em are here on this site and just want to complain and troll the guy instead of wishing him luck. just defending the guy because I don’t remember this hate during the 10-6 season or during schiano’s first season when you nuts thought we were going to the playoffs. lol ill let it go and let you keep rooting the stop gap in place right now….lol glennon is your tom brady you should be very proud of his accomplishments and clipboard holding skills
April 8th, 2015 at 11:55 am
If Josh Freeman never flamed out here…Joe would not be able to obsess about Jaboo 24/7
April 8th, 2015 at 11:55 am
I never really cared much for Schiano but the more I listen to Dominick on ESPN the less I trust him also. It’s very odd to me that a guy can throw for 4000 yds one year and be out of the league the next without any confirmed issues.
April 8th, 2015 at 11:56 am
@PRBucFan
you’ve been gone awhile you must have meditated and come to grips with JW being the next buc quarterback, we haven’t had one since week 4 of 2013
April 8th, 2015 at 11:56 am
Always….FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!……Freeman left without a trade…..and was able to double-dip…..he had two opportunities with other teams and screwed them up.
It is very hard for me to blame the Bucs for “mishandeling” a millionaire.
That being said, everyone deserves a second chance and I wish him well….elsewhere.
April 8th, 2015 at 12:05 pm
wonder why the bucs couldn’t fine or suspend freeman for conduct detrimental to the team? I wonder why he couldn’t be buried on the bench or deactivated while they searched for a trade, no one can say that bucs couldn’t get a 5th or a 6th for a guy in the final year of his contract especially being that part of the year had passed and it wouldn’t have been a full salary. lol your saying freeman threw a temper tantrum that made the glazers say oh he’s to unreasonable we better give him 10 mil and cut him? lol nope glennon played his part but so did schiano. there were reports that Dominick didn’t want to cut him and why would he it was his pick. stupid to put 100% of the blame on the quarterback unless your doing it because you don’t like him. schiano is an old man and in charge lol if he had simply talked to him like a man straight up and said we’ll play this out for a trade or release or settlement. who risks cutting a guy like that knowing freeman was the only viable option if glennon had gotten hurt? it’s fishy
April 8th, 2015 at 12:08 pm
What about his time in Minnesota? He was given a second chance and even started a game with a Vikings and failed miserably! Not a Schiano fan at all but I agree with ya Joe something else was going on that has not come out yet, look at how much weight the guy lost in such a short time……
April 8th, 2015 at 12:12 pm
bucs4lyfe Says:
April 8th, 2015 at 11:54 am
your right I forget……bucs fans are the most forgetful sorry excuse for fans in the entire nfl…a lot of em are here on this site and just want to complain and troll the guy instead of wishing him luck. just defending the guy because I don’t remember this hate during the 10-6 season or during schiano’s first season when you nuts thought we were going to the playoffs. lol ill let it go and let you keep rooting the stop gap in place right now….lol glennon is your tom brady you should be very proud of his accomplishments and clipboard holding skills
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Freeman is a massive loser. He tried to tar the franchise you claim to cheer for. If he had his way, the Bucs would have been stripped of multiple draft picks for hurting his feelings (including this years 1st no doubt). The dude is a mental midget of the highest order. I’d take Tebow 100/100 over Freeman, not because he’s better, but because he’s a mentally tough guy.
Sorry you bought like 5 Freeman jerseys and have the Thriller pictorial all through your house, but Josh is like the clap, we had it, got some Valtrex and now it’s all good. That you root for someone who wishes this franchise would get destroyed over a guy actually on our roster makes you quite the terrible fan.
April 8th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
man you really sound stupid and bitter like a heartbroken teenager on the verge of suicide your so angry and I don’t have to repost your name you know exactly who im talking to…..but ok keep throwing out your angry theories like you work for the bucs front office. however just to show you im good and im not posting out of anger and hatred like you here’s some help in case your home alone right now
1 (800) 273-8255
National Suicide Prevention Lifeline
CALL BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE
April 8th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
mac Says:
April 8th, 2015 at 11:29 am
Freeman does not have the ball placement and accuracy to be an NFL franchise QB…
He is also statistically one of the worst QBs when facing pressure in the pocket…
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Interesting because Glennon was the worst under pressure according to profootball focus, but at least Freeman could escape a sack.
April 8th, 2015 at 12:25 pm
@ buc4lyfe
Why get rid of a perfectly good testicle when it has cancer?
April 8th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
Freeman started a game in Minnesota mid- season after exactly 2 weeks of practice with the team. 2 weeks!!!!
April 8th, 2015 at 12:27 pm
I wonder why he couldn’t be buried on the bench or deactivated while they searched for a trade
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Freewee was benched then he cried like the bitch he is to ESPN and concocted the leak to sabotage any trade attempts… but aye, lets leave facts out of this so you can lift up your man crush. LMAO
April 8th, 2015 at 12:28 pm
I do think Dominik/Schiano are covering their reps; they all are. I think some of it was Freeman, but most of it was Schiano (the guy is a control freak and wanted Freeman out from day-one when he said Qb was an open competition). Even after Freeman departed, the team had to talk Schiano to lessen his grip/hardass stance..IE having to check in for meals. etc.
April 8th, 2015 at 12:37 pm
Instead of free free throwing out the “Lies” card why doesn’t free free file a lawsuit against the Bucs…ala Tynes or Tynes’ wife…lol. Because the truth will have to come then.
April 8th, 2015 at 12:37 pm
@Couch Fan
lol freewee gotta admit that’s funny but seriously freeman was the closest to anything since doug Williams that could have been thought of as a franchise quarterback. glennon cant get off the bench and we’ll see glennon again this year looking less than average in game 4 against defenders that’ll be working staples when the season starts. your giving freeman way too much credit for destroying a franchise that was already destroyed thanks too Dominick and bruce allen. I sure remember players lying about liking schiano. I remember unnamed sources talking about get these college coaches outta here. sabotaged the franchise? you people need help
April 8th, 2015 at 12:38 pm
If Schiano was the problem, why did Freeman have over 6 figures in fines in 2011? Why was Boomer Easison saying Jfro needed to stay out of the club and take his job seriously? Why did Schiano have such early practices and team activities? IT was to hopefully keep Jfro out of the club!
Freeman was so bad it shook up Dominick that he would pick MM over the better QB!
Freeman is a bad joke that no one wants to hear again!
Also look for McCoy to try to come in at the End of the third Quarter when they put the scrub Qb ( Freeman ) in preseason during scrub time!
from what I heard McCoy would love to get some retribution against that lying scrub!
April 8th, 2015 at 12:38 pm
@ feel…
I’m not a Glennon fan either… He is a decent back up and nothing else…
Sorry if you thought slamming Glennon would offend me but I happen to agree…
Both Freeman and Glennon are both reserve QBs at best and nothing more…
Freeman escaping a sack? Freeman showed mobility at times (especially in 2010) but his pocket presence was below average and he got sacked plenty…
April 8th, 2015 at 12:42 pm
I’m not sure why you keep talking about Glennon. It’s quite obvious that he will be the back up this year if he’s still around.
As far as Freewee goes. I never said he destroyed this franchise, only that he TRIED to. Thats my issue with that loser. He sucked as a QB and he showed how much he sucked as a person on his way out.
You can try to twist everything around to make him look like the bad guy but the facts speak for themselves.
April 8th, 2015 at 12:42 pm
like the good guy*
April 8th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
Just glad he’s gone. Not even worth commentating beyond that.
April 8th, 2015 at 12:49 pm
bucs4lyfe Says:
April 8th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
man you really sound stupid and bitter like a heartbroken teenager on the verge of suicide your so angry and I don’t have to repost your name you know exactly who im talking to…..but ok keep throwing out your angry theories like you work for the bucs front office. however just to show you im good and im not posting out of anger and hatred like you here’s some help in case your home alone right now
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You can’t get over something that happened like 18 months ago, but yes, me defending the Bucs against a malcontent loser (who you keep staunchly defending) makes me angry and bitter. Such a sad little boy you are. Feel free to become a Dolphins fan anytime now that Josh is there.
April 8th, 2015 at 12:52 pm
I think the problem with Freeman started when Glennon was drafted in a Freeman contract year….I believe that created massive insecurity issues for Freeman and intead of seeing it as a challenge….he blamed Schiano for drafting Glennon and believed he was history with the Bucs…..He could have seen it as a challenge and stepped up….at the very least, it would have helped his value with other teams….instead….he collapsed.
April 8th, 2015 at 12:52 pm
Regardless of whether you blame Freeman, Schiano, or Dominik, I think we can all agree that the events surrounding Freeman’s tenure really set this team back a decade… and its the fans who suffer.
Bottom line, we drafted a 1st round QB, and it turned out bad. That’s crippling to any NFL organization. We are still feeling the after effects of it.
April 8th, 2015 at 1:08 pm
lol it’s you dumb bastards that think you have some inside scoop on the story, im defending him against damn adam shefter wanna be’s….you don’t know anything you know nothing. you know nothing because truthfully freeman said nothing about the incident and Dominick said his part but the truth is always somewhere in between. I think it’s stupid to say freeman tried to set the franchise back with his antics whatever happened because Dominick set the franchise back a decade as soon as he was hired as GM, moving up to draft freeman in the first place is just an example of how poor a GM he was, cant accuse him of having good judgment after that. you cut derrick brooks cold and hard when he had atleast 1 maybe 2 good years left, just one clean sweep of the roster and start it with freeman. lol espn is like fans and a lot of people in general but I for one cant stand to listen to his “expert analysis” knowing how bad a GM he was. 6.2 mil and your telling me he forced a release? absurd…
can’t deny freeman is gone or in the bucs history or that he was the best quarterback drafted since doug Williams unless your a big chris simms fan
April 8th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
Why is it absurd? Because you choose to look the other way and blame Freewee’s actions on everybody but himself?
You dont think its just the tiniest bit odd that the NFLPA are usually very quick to disclose information when its not the players fault?
I remember the NFLPA being all over this investigation. Blaming it all on Schiano, much like you still do, proclaiming they will get to the bottom of it… but 2 years later and not a single peep has been mentioned since…
Its just common sense who’s fault this is. Again, you can pretend none of this is true and continue to blindly blame everything on everyone else other than your poor Freewee… but the only thing absurd is your defense and refusal to see any wrong doing when it comes to the unluckiest man in the world, poor ole Freewee.
April 8th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
“The Buc Realist Says:
April 8th, 2015 at 11:11 am
I hope JFro-6paks flames out in Miami. And I hope that this is his last chance at Football. You can be a bust, but when you fail and you try to bring everyone down with you is unforgivable!!!
Has he ever thanked the Tampa Fans for believing in him? for rooting for him? Nope, never”
Ah, the class of this town sometimes.
April 8th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
@bucs4lyfe
When posters (like I do) preface comments with…”I think” or “I believe”….they are merely putting forth an opinion….not fact….
I agree with you that posters who present something as fact have no earthly idea of what they are talking about.
Players are cut all of the time in the NFL…many aren’t drafted etc. It’s hard for me to pity one that makes millions of dollars and had multiple opportunites (and there may be more).
Was he treated fairly?….who knows…..Did anyone lie?…..who knows. Was he paid all that he was due?…..yes. Done deal!!!
April 8th, 2015 at 1:28 pm
@Couch Fan
dude seriously…..your either on the team or not on the team playing or sitting the bench. Winston’s rape accusation, ray rice, greg hardy and so on and so on. this stuff does not affect FOOTBALL unless your getting suspended. I can agree with every accusation and say it may be true about freeman but your not going to tell me this dude forced the bucs to cut him because that’s simply saying this franchise, the gm and it’s owners are to weak to own a football team. Are you saying freeman is a joe flacco, peyton manning, cam newton type player? no he’s not he was an average to below average quarterback at the time lol just like freeman. don’t tell me he forced this team to cut him and give him a 6.2 million check….they didn’t even fight it or fine him the year he got cut hmm wonder why.
what I don’t get is you don’t think freeman was any good anyway so why do you care if he got cut and paid this money, it’s a drop in the bucket to billionaires and oh hey if freeman is as sorry as you all say then lol then how did he set the franchise back? your savior glennon is still on the team, if schiano wanted freeman to play out his contract don’t you think he would have? as bossy and aggressive as schiano was don’t you think he could have made it even more uncomfortable?
I wonder why espn felt the interview with freeman was worth it? because it was obvious there was turmoil between BOTH parties
you cry babies are talking about oooh freeman sabotaged the franchise and complaining but saying glennon is better. he is the only player gone that gets this hate hmm I wonder why…could it be because you hate admitting he was good during his time before schiano and had your playoff hopes up
April 8th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
If he had his way, the Bucs would have been stripped of multiple draft picks for hurting his feelings (including this years 1st no doubt). The dude is a mental midget of the highest order.
How do you know these things? Got any proof?
This situation has never been fully resolved. Lots of dirt, innuendo, and libelous statements, but never any solid evidence except “I saw him do this or that in the Walmart parking lot.”
If this was leaked from One Buc Place, then who was/is it?
April 8th, 2015 at 1:56 pm
JFro was nothing more than a poor man’s Cam Newton. Newton is more accurate and has far more poise than JFro. And I’m no fan of Newton so all this talk about how great JFro was seems absurd to me.
If you consistently fail to hit ten yard swing passes and miss receivers that are wide open then you are NOT a franchise QB no matter how pretty, or how large and athletic you may be.
JFro “looked” like a player until they blew the whistle. He had one good year against a super soft schedule.
April 8th, 2015 at 1:57 pm
I saw the headline and was sure this would be another article about Lovie.
April 8th, 2015 at 1:58 pm
Josh Freeman is only 1% Juicy Juice.
April 8th, 2015 at 2:07 pm
Was never a fan of how he left the Bucs. Acted like an immature teenager that didn’t get his way. If he had acted like a professional, he would of embraced his role as backup. Being on the last year of his contract, he would of been a free agent and would of most definitely gotten picked up by a team looking for a QB. Could have competed for a starting job and could still be playing in the NFL today without this long break. He was having major issues off the field that contributed to his demise.
April 8th, 2015 at 2:23 pm
you cry babies are talking about oooh freeman sabotaged the franchise and complaining but saying glennon is better. he is the only player gone that gets this hate hmm I wonder why…could it be because you hate admitting he was good during his time before schiano and had your playoff hopes up
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LMAO what? This has nothing to do with Glennon. NOTHING. Your hate for the Glennon is laughable. Glennon will be in this league long after that POS Freewee is out of the league.
And Freewee was only good 1 season in the 4th Quarter. But his garbage play has nothing to do with why most hate him. We’ve had plenty of crappy QBs like him before.
Your attempt to skew the conversation is not working. We are talking about Freewee and the lies that have been told to help him out. Simple as that. But go head and continue talking about Glennon and anything else that is irrelevant to this conversation. LMAO
April 8th, 2015 at 2:30 pm
Free4Lyfe
How many times have I told you bitter isn’t better? 😉 lol
April 8th, 2015 at 2:33 pm
fastclipper4444 Says:
April 8th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
If he had his way, the Bucs would have been stripped of multiple draft picks for hurting his feelings (including this years 1st no doubt). The dude is a mental midget of the highest order.
How do you know these things? Got any proof?
This situation has never been fully resolved. Lots of dirt, innuendo, and libelous statements, but never any solid evidence except “I saw him do this or that in the Walmart parking lot.”
If this was leaked from One Buc Place, then who was/is it?
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The NFLPA said it was conducting it’s own investigation into what happened with Freeamn. Now, don’t you think if they found something tangible to use against the Bucs or Schiano, they would have already?
And if they found out Freeman and his agent were behind it? Well, we’d never see that report ever now would we? Oh wait a minute…
April 8th, 2015 at 2:36 pm
Two teams cut this guy after he cried that he was benched. SCHIANO WAS NOT ON EITHER TEAM. he would have taken the high road after benching and prove that he should be starter . Instead he cried and had his friends leak information that wasn’t true..
Freeman sups.: schiano fault he could not make it to his own camp that people aid money for on time. (he is the only man in world who still has a large alarm clock and not use phone)
stop with articles about his guy he doesn’t play here… rather here about john johnson
April 8th, 2015 at 2:44 pm
Listen to Joe’s link to the radio interview. Freeman sounds f’d up. Who knows what the Bucs did to help him, but you can’t have a team leader whacked out. If that was in fact the case, then he had to be cut.
April 8th, 2015 at 2:49 pm
@Couch Fan
Your attempt to skew the conversation is not working. We are talking about Freewee and the lies that have been told to help him out. Simple as that. But go head and continue talking about Glennon and anything else that is irrelevant to this conversation. LMAO
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OK adam shefter you apparently know the entire story and who lied and who didn’t….don’t know how Dominick and sschiano became stand up guys that never tell lies but ok, since you know so much go ahead and tweet out to the world the entire story since you know so damn much because if you have all this information about what happened why wouldn’t you have done it at this point. you don’t know a damn thing. you all don’t know how stupid you sound, im telling you you don’t know anything but im the bitter one? psychosocial counseling isn’t for everyone but you and PRBucFan are in serious need of help. your ripping the guy and im defending him but im bitter…..maybe you should go through puberty before you start talking about bucs football.
no reason to hate on glennon but plenty reason to hate on his lack of skill until april 30th. free couldn’t have been to dumb or high to get out of tampa with 6.2 million dollars in his pocket, half of you sound pathetic worrying about another mans money, freeman or the glazers because the guy was under contract and he didn’t cut himself from the bucs….just another bad situation and bad move by Dominick for drafting freeman and hiring a pee wee league football coach to run an nfl team
April 8th, 2015 at 3:06 pm
any of you that are so ignorant to think that Josh Freeman destroyed the franchise or attempted to are giving him too much credit
April 8th, 2015 at 3:40 pm
Calm down Raphael.
April 8th, 2015 at 3:43 pm
Josh was spotted at the Sunshine Music Festival, AKA an Ecstasy party. It’s clear the dude had a drug problem & that’s why he had the weight loss. Wish him the best, hope he stays clean & stays on track this time.
Freeman lost weight long before that, well known he was playing a lot of soccer in the offseason in Tampa and laying off the Taco Bell. Man, how did he pass all those endless NFL drug tests? Nice try.–Joe
April 8th, 2015 at 4:49 pm
Joe, Hernandez passed every drug test despite being a PCP/weed addict. The system is remarkable easy to game it seems.
April 8th, 2015 at 5:05 pm
So much started at the end of 2010 and 2011. But the Local media does not want to touch that time because of what Dominick was covering up. Let no one forget that one of Coach Schiano’s orders was to fix Freeman. Its a shame that Dominick and the Glazers did not listen to Coach Schaino and realize that he was not fixable!
April 8th, 2015 at 5:30 pm
Its called HEAVY DUTY R-O-L-L-I-N-G………………..
April 8th, 2015 at 5:32 pm
Freeman lost weight long before that, well known he was playing a lot of soccer in the offseason in Tampa and laying off the Taco Bell. Man, how did he pass all those endless NFL drug tests? Nice try.–Joe
IT METABOLIZES IN 1-4 DAYS DEPENDING ON YOUR WEIGHT AND OTHER FACTORS
April 8th, 2015 at 6:55 pm
Dominik drafted freeman no doubt but you ALL know that the head coach Raheem coached him the year before in college. He was with him at K-State, come on people, don’t you think Morris went to bat heavily for Freeman? If Morris didn’t love him, no wait, Morris said after the selection HE was “married” to him, this off the field stuff I blame on Morris. As for a talent, Dominik was right the kid did have talent, you can’t say he didn’t or you just don’t want to, he holds Buc records and had more Tds than Ints.
April 8th, 2015 at 7:36 pm
After that drugged out phone interview we all knew what was up.
April 8th, 2015 at 7:52 pm
Lol sure are a lot of people criticizing a drug addict, haha I got nothing because you always recognize one of your own
The Buc Realist aka Adam shefter…. No one talked about drugs or of field issues until Greg schiano appeared, we talked about how wildly inaccurate he could be from game to game, schiano had nothing to say in the middle of a playoff run his first year either….. All i know is mark barron was drafted 7th overall then Ryan tannehill went next. If you’re dumb enough to draft a safety that high when you could have gotten a quarterback you deserve what you get
April 8th, 2015 at 8:24 pm
Mentally retarded
April 8th, 2015 at 10:16 pm
Old news joe…. Freeman =Bust.
April 8th, 2015 at 10:27 pm
Joe,
Any idea what happened? I am still a big Freeman supporter. I generally think that people are lying when the do not provide specifics. I do not get into people personal lives; I have me to worry about.
April 9th, 2015 at 12:43 am
Listening to Josh’s interview with Ron & Ian from June 2013 is pretty unsettling. You can hear clearly that he is messed up in some way there.
Even though Freeman set all those single year QB records in 2012 – it was in a really uneven way. In the middle of the year – there was a 5 game stretch where Freeman literally looked and played like a superstar. Which was followed immediately by a 5 game stretch to end the season where his play basically fell off a cliff – as did the Bucs playoff hopes. Something changed in Josh in late November 2012 – and carried through into the following year. Whatever it was – it was not good – and it directly effected his on field play as well as his entire life it would seem.
I hope Josh has figured out how to deal with whatever it was that derailed his football career and life. I don’t think anyone can deny that the guy has the talent to be on an NFL team at the very least if he does indeed have his head together and is willing to work hard at becoming the best QB he can be.
April 9th, 2015 at 11:56 am
Some of you are such phony, pretentious bastards.
He was a good kid in school. Came here, and flashed some real talent.
But he had a ton of money, far from home, and lots of people trying to be a cling on.
He let partying ruin first his career, then his his life.
Sounds familiar . .
If he somehow singlehandly hurt the franchise- that’s only because the franchise was in the hands of idiots and incompetents.
The kid hurt himself. Just like lots of us did when we were young. Especially those of us cursed with youth and money.
A real coach ( Dungy, Gruden) might have controled that situation much better, and Meybe salvaged the kid. But all this garbage about” hurting the franchise” is bull spit. This franchise was so incompetently ran at that point- it needed to be hurt!! Badly!!
If Josh has his act together- good for him. I’m all about redemption brother! Just about everyone deserves a second chance. I’ll wish him well.
Except when he plays us