No Jameis = “Wasted Time”
April 2nd, 2015
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback ever to wear No. 5 in the state of Florida.
Judging Bucs general manager Jason Licht’s reaction after the Florida State pro day Tuesday, when Tampa Bay brass got up-close perspective on Jameis Winston throwing 102 passes, Joe has a hunch Licht is still smiling.
After the workout, Licht simply could not wipe the smile off of his face, as Joe noted previously. Even when he tried not to smile, Licht appeared like his face was going to break. You know, like the kid in church who heard his brother’s loud fart?
Woody Cummings of The Tampa Tribune was there, too (no, not in the farting church, but at FSU’s pro day) and told Tom Veit of WHBO-AM 1040 that the Bucs are of the mind the next three weeks is wasted time because the club wants Winston at One Buc Palace now.
“I got the sense from Jason Licht that he’s trying not to smile,” Cummings said. “He’s trying not to let everyone know that he’s head over heels in love with this kid and can’t wait to make him the quarterback for the Buccaneers. I think the Bucs wish the draft was last week and had him in the room already and had him on the field now because I think they sort of look at this as wasted time for them. These are opportunities for them to have their hands on him and be developing him and shaping him the way they want him to be and they can’t get to him. He’s out of their reach right now and I think that’s killing them because they want this kid. There is no question they want this kid and if you see this kid throw, you see him in this environment, you want him too.”
Joe wonders if local stores already have ordered Bucs’ Jameis Winston jerseys? Joe has a hunch they may go fast.
The draft is four weeks from tonight.
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:03 pm
The pick is in….Winston is a Buc!!!
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:08 pm
If Winston or Mariotta is not a Buc 4 weeks from tonight…My Pirate ship will be sunk.
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:09 pm
With his rapist wit and big ben style were in for a ride
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:11 pm
Why is he out of reach? The Bucs can call Winston’s agent in at anytime to work out a deal and once the deal is worked out Winston can come in and sign it. They should already have this done.
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:16 pm
What are the NFL rules on signing a player before the draft? Can they sign him and get him in the building immediately? Or just agree to terms and not sign until draft day?
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:17 pm
Joe, once we draft him you should really take down your introduction to his articles. Kind of disrespectful at this point. And yes I know you’re being sarcastic
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:19 pm
As Joe has written before, the Bucs want to be conservative about this. First, a player cannot work out at an NFL facility until he has been drafted. Second, the Bucs want to make sure nothing is uncovered about Winston before the draft, or he does something stupid. That’s just being prudent.
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:19 pm
Thanks joe. Another Winston article. Can u do 4 more today. Starting to wish bucs nation would do more articles. They have Winston as the pick but write nice articles about mariota as well and the entire bucs in general. Think u are losing some web hits here. U already lost a few people I know.
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:20 pm
Yeah this one is a stretch. If they wanted to sign him and have him in the building, they can do it any time they’d like. Advantages of picking #1. I think they’re more than willing to trade down for the right offer, hence why he hasn’t been signed yet. They’ll go the next 4 weeks trying to get a huge package. Ironically I think they can maybe trick the Redskins into moving up again and mortgaging their future (again).
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:24 pm
Hahaha Licht is smiling because the trade offers for the first pick just got a lot better, he doesn’t want this kid he and Lovie have stated several times they wanna trade down! If they wanted this kid so bad they wouldn’t be looking to trade down and still get Mariota. Simple as that.
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:27 pm
You are welcome.
If Joe is “losing people” he’s gaining more than he’s losing by his traffic. Right now it is all-Jameis, all the time. There’s nothing else to write about, and for good reason. Just a warning, there will be more Jameis articles today, tomorrow, and every day leading up to the draft, and even more after he is drafted by the Bucs.
If you are looking for articles on guys pumping weights at their gyms, Joe is confident there are sites that provide such riveting and compelling information which is why they don’t get the traffic Joe does.
Joe always has, and always will, write about what interests Joe. It’s been a winning formula. Joe isn’t going to fix what is not broken.
Hey, Joe can write another article how the offensive line sucks or how the defensive line couldn’t sack an old lady in the checkout line at Publix, but then Joe is just being “negative,” right?
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:32 pm
Disrespectful to remind folks he is a national champion and a Heisman Trophy winner and the best quarterback ever in the state of Florida to wear No. 5???
We should all be so disrespected!
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:41 pm
No. They. Cannot.
A draft eligible player is not allowed to be at an NFL facility outside of an interview (one of 30 allowed per spring, per team) until he is drafted. The draft is not until April 30. Therefore, Winston, nor any other player in the draft, can be at One Buc Palace “working out” before they are drafted.
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:41 pm
Haha c’mon bro you know what I’m talking about! Just the beginning! I’m a pro Winston man. I just want to get all that crap behind him and us and focus on the positives of this dude.
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:42 pm
This site should be renamed “JamisBucsFan”
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:45 pm
Bobby Rainey posted a picture of him and Jameis at Gruden camp, this is an excerpt from another site I found interesting:
Along with the photo, Rainey added the caption, “Out here at #grudencamp catching passes & getting handoffs from the guy @jaboowins5 #funnydude#footballsmart #downtoearthdude #hesawinner would love to play with him. #John8:7″
Let’s just take a look at those last three items. The hashtag #hesawinner and the quote “would love to play with him” show that in their short time together, Rainey is already sold on Jameis and wants to have him on the team next season. Then, there’s the Bible quote, John 8:7, which says, “When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, ‘Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.’” You can probably assume what Rainey is referencing there.
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:50 pm
“Joe Says:
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:41 pm
A draft eligible player is not allowed to be at an NFL facility outside of an interview (one of 30 allowed per spring, per team) until he is drafted. The draft is not until April 30. Therefore, Winston, nor any other player in the draft, can be at One Buc Palace “working out” before they are drafted.”
I’m just curious and don’t feel like trying to decipher the CBA. If a team signs the first pick before the draft, can he receive a playbook, or meet with other players or coaches, just not at the team’s facility? Any idea?
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:54 pm
It is my understanding that the only team that can sign a player early is the team that has the first overall pick……even if signed, Winston fall under rules for all NFL players regarding dates etc with team activities.
I do think its a good idea to attempt to sign him early so that the baseball clauses can be worked out….also I think an early signing may pave the way for his appearance at the NFL draft.
Top players are probably reluctant to attend because if they aren’t picked when projected the don’t want a repeat of what happened to Manziel last year…..and who could blame them…..I think this is partly the reason why both Winston & Mariota are reluctant to attend.
April 2nd, 2015 at 1:01 pm
No offense but why are people still talking about Mariota?
April 2nd, 2015 at 1:03 pm
You are welcome.
If Joe is “losing people” he’s gaining more than he’s losing by his traffic. Right now it is all-Jameis, all the time. There’s nothing else to write about, and for good reason. Just a warning, there will be more Jameis articles today, tomorrow, and every day leading up to the draft, and even more after he is drafted by the Bucs.
If you are looking for articles on guys pumping weights at their gyms, Joe is confident there are sites that provide such riveting and compelling information which is why they don’t get the traffic Joe does.
Joe always has, and always will, write about what interests Joe. It’s been a winning formula. Joe isn’t going to fix what is not broken.
Hey, Joe can write another article how the offensive line sucks or how the defensive line couldn’t sack an old lady in the checkout line at Publix, but then Joe is just being “negative,” right?
– Joe you write about what draws traffic. Not what interests you. This is fine that the two align this time. But you allude to justification via traffic, not your interests.
April 2nd, 2015 at 1:05 pm
If this is the case…yet to be proven…all Jameis has to do is stay healthy and keep his nose clean for a few more weeks. If he does, we will see if he really has the skills to be a good NFL QB. I hope so…missing on a #1 pick QB can set a franchise back 3-5 years, and I don’t know if Bucs fans could handle that!
April 2nd, 2015 at 1:09 pm
Do you not have any other pictures of this kid???
April 2nd, 2015 at 1:26 pm
Yes Joe – researching and reporting the exact details of what is and isn’t allowed regarding a player signed prior to the draft would be excellent information to pass along. I think many who are excited to get Winston in the bldg ASAP would love to know those details.
Even if Winston were not allowed to work out or work with coaches yet at OBP – it seems like getting a playbook in his hands or the rudiments of one would make a lot of sense and help give him a leg up coming into rookie mini-camp. If they sign him early – perhaps he could also get together and work with VJax and or Evans outside the facility and get a head start on developing that all important “chemistry” between QB and receivers.
April 2nd, 2015 at 1:27 pm
You guys are rediculous. There’s a million sites to go to besides this if you don’t like his opinion or what he writes about. Start your own site.
April 2nd, 2015 at 1:42 pm
All hail King Jameis
April 2nd, 2015 at 1:48 pm
@87
Wish we were still in the red jerseys.
April 2nd, 2015 at 1:50 pm
ODB..no kidding. These do look too much like Burger King uniforms and we all know what happened at BK.
April 2nd, 2015 at 1:51 pm
Agreed
April 2nd, 2015 at 1:56 pm
I’ll play ball: let’s assume you’re right, Joe, and they’re waiting to make sure he doesn’t slip up before his name is called. If they’re so worried about him messing up before the draft, doesn’t that sort of imply they don’t trust him fully? Or at least the way you should trust a guy who’s getting the keys to the franchise. Why would they want to draft him at all if they’re so concerned about his behavior for just the next month? I have concerns about his behavior and judgement, period. Sure, he remains innocent on technicalities, namely police incompetence, but that doesn’t just erase the past year. I think this site has done an awful lot to ignore this young mans transgressions, serious or otherwise.
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:01 pm
I agree with TBBF! If we know we’re going to draft him we should sign him ASAP.
There are many benefits. Obviously the Bucs want to start molding him into their offense. In addition there’s no NFL rule that I’m aware that presents personal appearances (they could pay him he’d be a huge draw at any commercial establishment) and begin to SELL tickets which is most important to the Glazers.
TBBF listed some others. Get the baseball clause in early and fly his Grandma in a private jet to Chicago so we get the publicity there as well.
I absolutely cannot buy the excuse that they want to protect themselves in case something turns up or he does something between now and then.
The thread yesterday indicated that the Bucs had interviewed 75 people and at least one team had a spy following him on the flight west. They DONE their due diligence.
As far as being afraid he’ll screw up between now and the end of the month it that’s true it should be deal breaker. What’s the difference in trusting him after April 30th?
As far as NFL rules somebody instructed me here that they even have cameras at NFL facilities to make sure players do nothing but work out in the training room with no contact from coaches. OK that’s good too. Let’s get him with the nutrionist and strength guys early so he’s in super shape come August.
Let him get used to our heat. Alabama is hot and so is Tallahassee but they arent’ Tampa in the summer and fall.
Finally and perhaps most importantly…there’s nothing to stop Fameis from hooking up with VJAX,Evans, ASJ, Sims and obviously Bobby Rainey at a different field than OBP. How about USF…or whichever park JFro used to accomplish the extra practice that year.
Sign him NOW!
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:02 pm
presents=prevents….fat fingers typing today
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:08 pm
Not positive of those specifics when/if a player can be signed before the draft (yes, understand it used to be the case in the days leading up to the draft), and frankly, don’t care because the Bucs are not going to do that.
It’s like NASA predicting a meteor to hit the earth somewhere in 3205. Joe isn’t going to be around so why sweat it?
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:10 pm
I believe this is all due process and showmanship. Wow, people are going to be flabbergasted when we draft Mariota.
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:11 pm
SPBF – What? No mention of his TWO suspensions – one of which “jeopardized his team’s conference title hopes” (even though the game was in mid Sept)?
LOL – sorry man – just busting your balls a bit. You have been kind of over the top with that statement lately.
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:12 pm
I seriously don’t understand why people want the 18th best QB in college football last year. Seems ridiculous to me.
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:12 pm
OK, will put it this way: Joe always has, and always will, write about what interests him. It just so happens to be a pleasant convenience that going on seven years, Bucs fans in general have been drawn to what interests Joe. Traffic backs Joe up.
Not about to fix something that is not broken.
Again, if you prefer to read about offensive linemen pumping weights or wide receivers running track in order to try to gain an edge, Joe is confident there are sites out there that offer that information. It’s also a reason they get a fraction of Joe’s traffic.
Joe understands this site is not everyone’s cup of tea.
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:18 pm
I’m in south Dakota and turned football fans some bucs onto joe. They love it and want Winston articles all day. So bird you are already replaced, bye bye buddy. Keep it up joe plus love listening to you guys on wdae.
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:23 pm
I’m here because of all the Winston talk – I’ll be honest. I keep clicking because of it. It’s made Tampa Bay relevant. I can’t stress that enough. Joe is doing what is good for business. The cream will rise to the top in readership to make up for anyone who says they’ll stop coming because of Winston talk (they won’t in the long run, I call their bluff 100 times over; he is going to be a superstar that Tampa has never imagined before). When he is lighting Ybor City on fire you will be here and love reading about it. I guarantee it. Can’t wait to order my first jersey in about 15 years.
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:25 pm
Bucs aren’t going to do that because they don’t want any 11th hour surprises, which is smart no matter who they are taking.
Joe put in a text to the Bucs to find out this all important question about when/if the Bucs can begin pre-draft contract negotiations with Winston and when/if he would be allowed to work out with the team (hint: rookie mini-camp is the weekend after the draft).
When/if Joe gets a response, will write an article.
Gonna guess this question will not be high priority for the Bucs today.
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:29 pm
Thanks for the kind words guys.
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:33 pm
I don’t understand why some people are puzzled that Joe is writing about Winston so much.
Like Jameis or hate him, it’s clear that he is the number one QB prospect heading into the draft. The Bucs have the number one overall pick and a glaring need for a franchise QB. FSU just had their pro day, and Winston was the center of attention.
I mean, what the heck else do you expect to read about right now? While I’ll never rule out the Bucs flipping the script and selecting Mariota at number one, it’s looking like Winston will be the guy. As long as it’s one of the two, I’ll be a happy fan.
Fellas, it’s not complicated. Jameis is interesting, and he’s the likely Bucs pick in 28 days. Joe’s not about to worry about writing too much about Winston.–Joe
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:45 pm
After the Dolphins signed Jake Long before the draft in 2008, the NFL came out and stated that they would not like teams to do that again because it takes away from the showmanship of the draft.
Right now, the NFL has a QB controversy at the #1 spot (even though everyone knows it is Winston). They would be very upset if we signed our #1 now because that would be gone.
Every time they play a promo for the draft they show Mariota and Winston.
BTW , I love all the Winston articles!
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:48 pm
Jeagan1999 Says:
April 2nd, 2015 at 1:05 pm
If this is the case…yet to be proven…all Jameis has to do is stay healthy and keep his nose clean for a few more weeks. If he does, we will see if he really has the skills to be a good NFL QB. I hope so…missing on a #1 pick QB can set a franchise back 3-5 years, and I don’t know if Bucs fans could handle that!
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3-5 years? Buc fans could not handle that? This organization has sucked for almost 30 of the 40 years in existence. We have handled quite a bit. Hell, you have some buc fans that want glennon to play which means some are ok with being set back 3-5 years. If Winston bombs, its not the end of the world. It’s just a buc’s life. We would simply start over again like always. Lets not over think this thing. Draft the best QB in the draft in Winston and cross your fingers for success as you would do with any draft pick.
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:56 pm
Pickgrin
Bust away! LOL You won’t be the first nor the last I’m sure.
I tend to pull the two suspension card on people who continue to detail his transgressions so as to minimize them. But I hear you. Once he’s drafted I think people will stop defending the off field stuff because there will no longer be a need and I won’t be baited into the two suspension post. 🙂
April 2nd, 2015 at 3:18 pm
Lmfao whatever
April 2nd, 2015 at 3:27 pm
I tend to pull the two suspension card on people who continue to detail his transgressions so as to minimize them.
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That’s because they are minimal no matter how many times you point out the suspensions. He was only suspended by FSU because the media and the holier than thou crowd banged on the drums. FSU knew he got the hook up on crab legs and Fisher was not mad he said FHITP because he knew no malice was involved and Winston was just trying to be a regular student.
April 2nd, 2015 at 3:39 pm
If Winston could get paid $1 for every time Joe jumps on his jock strap, he wouldn’t need an NFL contract.
April 2nd, 2015 at 3:42 pm
SPBF – I just kind of find your emphasis on that point funny. Because:
1 – if there was not all that pressure at the time from the Media – Jimbo would not have suspended Winston for the cursing incident. He only did it because he thought he had to or the media would crucify him for not doing something since the ridiculous narrative at the time was that FSU was trying to cover up the (false) rape allegation (which was not true) and was coddling its athletes. I will add that of course Winston would never have been suspended in the NFL for cursing – and in fact would never have been suspended period in the NFL for any of is immature actions.
2 – Even if FSU had lost that Clemson game due to Winston’s absence, it would NOT have effected their opportunity to win the conference Championship. First of all the Clemson game was very early in mid Sept – and additionally – all other ACC teams had at least 1 conference loss – so even if FSU had lost that game – they still would have faced GA Tech in the ACC Championship game – which they won of course.
The fact that you are banging that drum so hard lately when it isn’t really valid is kind of amusing to me.
Just sayin…
April 2nd, 2015 at 5:26 pm
And with the 1st pick of the 2015 NFL Draft the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Dasterdly Dan form Canada U.
April 2nd, 2015 at 6:15 pm
Pickgrin…he keeps banging that drum…yet….yet….yet…he’s on board with Winston….
Ummm not really.
April 2nd, 2015 at 11:42 pm
Supersam Says:
Hahaha Licht is smiling because the trade offers for the first pick just got a lot better, he doesn’t want this kid he and Lovie have stated several times they wanna trade down! If they wanted this kid so bad they wouldn’t be looking to trade down and still get Mariota. Simple as that.
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Getting a bit desperate aren’t we?
April 3rd, 2015 at 8:56 am
You better believe that Winston has a watered down copy of the playbook and that Koetter and possibly Smith and Licht will be going over it with him a week before the draft to see if he has assimiliated much of it….probably same with Mariota, however. You guys remembere Mariota? Right? AKA Plan B.