Jameis Watch: “Winston Is Better”
April 21st, 2015
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback ever to wear No. 5 in the state of Florida.
Yesterday, BSPN draft analyst Todd McShay jumped on the SiriusXM NFL Radio airwaves. Naturally, McShay was asked about quarterbacks.
In so many words, McShay noted he has watched a ton of tape and sounded like a guy who didn’t want to like Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston. He watched tape from all the quarterbacks and, as the old saying goes, the eye in the sky doesn’t lie. McShay said there is no debate on who the better quarterback is.
Todd McShay: When I watched the tape, I wanted to like Mariota more than Winston but the truth is, that’s not the case. Winston is better
— SiriusXM NFL Radio (@SiriusXMNFL) April 20, 2015
There you have it. Maybe Ken Whisenhunt can mold Marcus Mariota into a stud NFL quarterback, but given Whisenhunt’s dicey track record developing quarterbacks, Joe isn’t holding his breath.
April 21st, 2015 at 9:18 am
Did you hear Winston got suspended in ha for laughing at a coach who cried? He just screams no respect. He also screamed at Fisher and his OC
April 21st, 2015 at 9:18 am
HE’S CLEARLY BETTER
April 21st, 2015 at 9:19 am
Yeah but McShay did sort of say Blaine Gabbert would be much better than Cam Newton so what does he really know?
April 21st, 2015 at 9:21 am
i also heard Winston kicks babies and steals their candy.
April 21st, 2015 at 9:24 am
BS
April 21st, 2015 at 9:25 am
I hadn’t heard that one Celly but I did read on the cover of ESPN the Mag that he was this year’s most polarizing player. I’ve also read that he couldn’t fill his high school stadium when he came back for an evening of recognition.
But he is the Bucs first pick and so I’ll cheer for him on Sundays much as I did Sapp. I’ll hold my nose Monday through Sat.
April 21st, 2015 at 9:28 am
McShay, really? Move on. Bill Polian says he’d choose Mariota and is trashed. McFly says Winston is better and he’s god. Funny. I will say this, perhaps Winston is better, better as getting away with crimes.
#DP #HGH #PEDs #BrainDeadRetard
April 21st, 2015 at 9:29 am
I heard that Winston eats lightning and craps thunder.
“You’re gonna eat lightning and you’re gonna crap thunder. You’re gonna become a very dangerous person.” — Mickey Goldmill
April 21st, 2015 at 9:33 am
Here’s why I’ll take heed to what McShay is saying:
Based on HIS statement, he clearly went into this wanting and hoping Mariota to be better. But after looking at the tape, he saw the truth.
Its not like he was willing to go into it blind and accepting whoever was better, he WANTED Mariota to be his choice. But hwen it came down to actually seeing the position on the field, he couldn’t lie to himself anymore.
I hope most of you will at least be able to cheer for him on Sunday and not just sit back waiting for him to fail.
If not, go be a Dolphins fan like Bob 9.
April 21st, 2015 at 9:33 am
JBF….once again….for the umpteenth time…..This debate is NOT about Winston’s skills as a QB!! Would you please please PLEASE get that through your head??? Damn!! He’s the Titanic, and the NFL is an iceberg laying in wait.
April 21st, 2015 at 9:34 am
In less than 10 days Jameis Watch will be over…
Then it will turn into Watch Jameis….
April 21st, 2015 at 9:34 am
Sloppy feet, sloppy mechanics, 18 interceptions versus a guy that completed 67% of his passes at Oregon, threw 40+ TD’s and only 4 picks…yeah, he’s waaaaaaay better.
April 21st, 2015 at 9:39 am
Over the past 50 years, I’d say that only 3 Heisman-winning QBs have done reasonably well: Cam Newton, Carson Palmer and Jim Plunkett. The others were average at best.
This year is certainly unique in that we have TWO Heisman-winning QBs in the draft. The odds that one of them will make it big aren’t all that fantastic. The odds that both of them will set the world on fire look to be pretty slim.
Choose well Lovie.
April 21st, 2015 at 9:41 am
And now some lyrics for the Mariota crew :
“Holding Back The Years” – Simply Red
I’ve wasted all my tears
Wasted all of those years
And nothing had the chance to be good
Cause nothing ever could oh yeah
I’ll keep holding on
I’ll keep holding on
I’ll keep holding on
I’ll keep holding on
(The groups name is perfect for what Mariota lovers will be on draft day)
April 21st, 2015 at 9:43 am
if you check on the web research has been done showing todd mcshay has been wrong every year about almost all his draft picks. Merrill hodge on espn nfl live tv broke down film on the program of Winston.he drops the ball down to his belt. merrill said there were 13 other passes that would have been interceptions at the nfl level. when mcshay was asked about how Winston throws like Byron leftwich he agreed that he did. but, he said his # sources# said the bucs really liked him.
April 21st, 2015 at 9:44 am
he molested my cat last thursday
April 21st, 2015 at 9:47 am
stop bringing up that ONE year he had 18 interceptions unless your going to bring up mariota being tied for second-most in the NCAA for fumbles. hes fumbled his entire college career not just one year. RG3 threw for like 37 touchdowns to 6 interceptions his senior year and how has his career turned out so far. these guys kill me quoting simple college stats as if it’s going to matter in the NFL. but great stat quoting. lol sloppy feet, sloppy mechanics hahaha your trent dilfer like tape evaluation is hilarious
April 21st, 2015 at 9:47 am
Prove it, Port Richey George. What ‘research?’
Link please.
April 21st, 2015 at 9:48 am
Winston = RGIII without mobility
April 21st, 2015 at 9:49 am
Sooooo, the Bucs feature Mariota as 2015 top prospect the same day they anoounce they know who they’re gonna draft, but are not gonna say is absolutely meaningless? Heard! Got it! I just wanna make sure I’m properly brainwashed… Meaningless it will be.
April 21st, 2015 at 9:50 am
@SPBF I wouldn’t read too much into how his town feels about him. That place is very much divided on race and class. Not too mention that he decided to go to a school other than Auburn or Alabama.
My family moved to Florida from Alabama and Georgia back in the 60’s for that very reason.
April 21st, 2015 at 9:58 am
Joe it’s a fact, Mariota is better than Winston in the spread offense. Not even a argument there, right? Dam near even in the Pro style. He can read defenses better than Winston. Mariota is faster, stronger, higher IQ, we know his character is off the charts. Even if it takes a year for Mariota to learn the Pro Style, he’s worth the wait. You roll the dice with a monster like Winston then the organization is in desperation mode, like going to Vegas and at the Roulette Table betting your life savings on black.
#DP #HGH #PEDs #BrainDeadRetard
April 21st, 2015 at 9:59 am
“Jim Says:
April 21st, 2015 at 9:48 am
Winston = RGIII without mobility”
That’s the worst comparison I have ever seen. RGIII played in a spread offense similar to Mariota. He is the antithesis of a pro-style drop-back passer.
They have one similar trait…….
April 21st, 2015 at 10:01 am
“Tell me more…tell me more….like does he have a car?”
Shoom bop bop shoom bop bob shoom bop bop…
April 21st, 2015 at 10:03 am
I really want to know more about Mariota….
Is he a nice guy?
Tell me about his stats again…
Tell me about what Gruden said about him again…
Does he look good in Jets green?
April 21st, 2015 at 10:05 am
Those Who Do Not Learn from History Are Doomed To Repeat It.
1998 Draft
Manning and Leaf were widely considered the two best players available in the 1998 draft, and scouts and analysts debated who should be selected first.Many favored Leaf’s stronger arm and greater potential,while others deemed Manning the more mature player and the safer pick. Most observers, however, believed that it would not greatly matter whether Manning or Leaf was drafted first because either would greatly benefit his team.
The Indianapolis Colts owned the first draft pick that year. Team scouts favored Leaf, but Colts president Bill Polian and coaching staff preferred Manning
April 21st, 2015 at 10:05 am
M.M. will prove to be the better qb in the nfl . Joe, let Winston date your daughter but NOT the face of our nfl team>
April 21st, 2015 at 10:06 am
Gruden asked Winston about the ,I think, 35 interceptions. And Winston defense was, “I really wanted to complete those passes. #Brilliant
#DP #HGH #PEDs #BrainDeadRetard
April 21st, 2015 at 10:10 am
Their sweating Joe.
April 21st, 2015 at 10:11 am
Barry Says:
April 21st, 2015 at 9:58 am
Joe it’s a fact, Mariota is better than Winston in the spread offense. Not even a argument there, right? Dam near even in the Pro style. He can read defenses better than Winston. Mariota is faster, stronger, higher IQ, we know his character is off the charts. Even if it takes a year for Mariota to learn the Pro Style, he’s worth the wait. You roll the dice with a monster like Winston then the organization is in desperation mode, like going to Vegas and at the Roulette Table betting your life savings on black.
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none of what your saying mattered when he got destroyed in the national championship game, Winston looked much better side by side against mariota in his only loss as a football player. that’s the attribute that means the most. Winston’s win loss record vs mariota. lol character is off the charts hahaha you sound like a nut
April 21st, 2015 at 10:13 am
G’Boyz and L&L are akin to a degenerate gambler….duble down and hocked to the hilt with the Jameis 1st overall pick….off field and on field question marks…..Jameis will be so frustrated he’ll be playing baseball by 2017
April 21st, 2015 at 10:15 am
Oh poor Mariota fans, kicking and screaming until the bitter end. Personally, you would think with all the years of added experience you’d know how to tantrum better than a 4 year old, but apparently not.
April 21st, 2015 at 10:18 am
87 aka Winston will be singing..
“Love is in the Air” when Winston is drafted.
And next year he will be singing a little known country tune called “Winston sucks, my dog is dead, and my truck wont start but I still love him”
April 21st, 2015 at 10:19 am
Tell me more…tell me more…cause he sounds like a drag…
Shoom bop bop shoom bop bob shoom bop bop…
April 21st, 2015 at 10:22 am
The only problem with this is that Todd McShay has always said he preferred Winston. If he “preferred” Mariota in the beginning, why would he do that?
He’s lying. And I’d bet he might have watched a couple games only, just to say he watched tape.
I can resign myself to Winston being the pick, but I am completely sick of him getting unearned credit. The guy has to prove himself. He IS a project just as Mariota is…just in other ways. He has a ton of faults, just as Mariota does. Just because they are different, that doesn’t make him better.
He has plenty of room for improvement. So stop acting like he’s some savior or god. Within a season, most of you will turn on him because he isn’t perfect anyway…because your support of him is shallow, made on assumptions that you wish to be true even though they are not.
There is no way for him to meet expectations like that. No rookie could. It is unfair to him, and frankly, when he falls short of expectations in his first year, I really do not want to read all the whining you people will be doing, like every other year.
April 21st, 2015 at 10:25 am
bucs4lyfe Says
“Winston looked much better side by side against mariota in his only loss as a football player.”
That is a complete fabrication. Winston looked like a complete idiot in the Rose Bowl. Revisionist history you have there.
April 21st, 2015 at 10:27 am
bucs4lyfe Says
“Winston looked much better side by side against mariota in his only loss as a football player.”
I concur.
April 21st, 2015 at 10:31 am
@PortRicheyGeorge
Right…because NFL defensive backs don’t EVER drop interceptions.
April 21st, 2015 at 10:33 am
I was Winston, when Winston wasn’t cool
I was Winston, from my hat down to my boots
I still act, and look the same
What you see ain’t nothin’ new
I was Winston, when Winston wasn’t cool.
Remember this, this season and the season after that!
I was Winston, when Winston wasn’t cool.
April 21st, 2015 at 10:33 am
The “complete idiot” is on the verge of adding number one pick in the draft to his other achievements of the Heisman and National Championship.
The Legend continues.
Rookie of the year is next.
Go Jaboo.
April 21st, 2015 at 10:34 am
Bonzai, look up Brett Kollman’s Rose Bowl breakdwon on both QBs. Winston outplayed Mariota in that game and it isn’t even close.
So once the Bucs draft Jameis, is it safe to say that they believe Jameis is innocent and Kinsman is lying?
April 21st, 2015 at 10:44 am
The things you people are clinging to are so unbelievably sad. Feeble arguments, meaningless stats, and desperate attempts to find meaning in things that are truly meaningless. You people make the only time when it’s good to be a Bucs fan, the offseason, unbearable with all of your lobbing of pointless banter back and forth
April 21st, 2015 at 11:01 am
Patrick…it might get worse when we are about 3 days away.
Look out.
Desperation is starting to set in…
April 21st, 2015 at 11:03 am
Of cousre Winston is better. It’s not even fair. When the defense is coming in to sack the QB, they aren’t going to ask him how nice he is first.
After the game the db was asked how he missed that int. “Well Mariota is such a nice humble guy, I couldn’t do that to him.” -Said no one EVER!
April 21st, 2015 at 11:14 am
In the back of Winston’s mind he knows he has an out if he struggles in the NFL. So with that, will he actually give 110% all the time? Mariota doesn’t have another sport he can fall back on. His future is solely predicated on his future performance in the NFL and unless he gives 110%, he want earn a paycheck. I would, on that point alone, give Mariota the edge. Wait til Winston, if he hasn’t bust by then, to hold the team hostage for a new contract using his potential baseball career as a bartering tool. Just like Wilson just did to Seattle.
I hope L&L, and the Glazers took that into account. With Winston’s flamboyant personality, does anyone really think he’d give the Bucs a home town discount, especially after making him the #1 pick in the draft? Ha! I doubt it! If there is one thing that I’ve learned about Winston so far, Winston makes it all about Winston. He’s already a thriving NFL diva that needs babysitting.
April 21st, 2015 at 11:20 am
Winston Winston Winston
Shout his name again..
The outcome will be the same..
His head will explode from all of the attention
And he will same a place with Johnny Football in the Hall of Shame..
I may be wrong but I maybe right..and if I am right 87 will need counseling…
hahahaha
Build him up some more it will only make the fall harder..
April 21st, 2015 at 11:22 am
I’ll take Jon Grudens’s, Tony Dungy’s. Chris Landry’s and Bill Polian’s expert opinions over McShay’s any day. They all prefer Mariota. McShay just an ESPN talking head
April 21st, 2015 at 11:26 am
Oh, and Mike Mayock also
April 21st, 2015 at 11:30 am
I just cannot imagine the meltdown from many posters on this site if they take Mariota. Not only are they 1,000% convinced Winston is the pick, they all strongly dislike taking Mariota. It’ll be quite hilarious to see.
April 21st, 2015 at 11:38 am
I can absolutely relate to McShay’s comment of “wanting to like Mariota more”. Nobody on this site has seen more Oregon games than me. I have been waiting forever for the Bucs to get someone from Hawaii. I wanted Colt Brennan, and I got so excited when we brought in Chad Owens for the preseason several years back. On top of that, I’m a Gator fan, so no part of me wants to like Winston more. I would love nothing more than to see Mariota as a better QB. I just don’t. When I look at Winston, I see a prototype NFL QB. When I see Mariota, I can’t help but think about all the failures of QB’s from gimmicky offenses that fail in the NFL. Even if we don’t draft Mariota, I hope he’s a Hall of Fame Qb, but I just don’t feel good about it.
Winston is also a risk, but his is primarily off the field. When you have to take a chance on a player (which we obviously do), I would prefer to take a chance on someone with off the field questions versus one with on the field questions. Being a great guy doesn’t help a whole helluva lot on Sundays. I’m all in for Winston, but I’d be lying if I said I won’t be nervous about him. He’s obviously very immature, and must grow up (I’m not worried in the least about the sexual assault stuff, because I believe it’s BS from what I’ve read). But I truly believe he gives us the best opportunity to win games, which is the goal.
April 21st, 2015 at 11:40 am
@bucrightoff,
I don’t think too many people hate Mariota. If we draft him, I guarantee you I’ll be first in line to buy his jersey, and I’ll instantly be his biggest fan. However, I just believe Winston is the better QB. It’s as simple as that. Don’t overcomplicate things.
April 21st, 2015 at 11:41 am
This is fair, reasoned analysis.
April 21st, 2015 at 11:41 am
I will agree that Winston IS better, at
Throwing interceptions,
Throwing temper tantrums
Screaming at coaches
Screaming at teammates
Bowl game meltdowns
Being confused by coverages
Shoplifting
BB gun shooting
Obsenity shouting
Vandalism
Girl handling
Scooter riding
Dressing out for games that he’s suspended from
Turning his fans into enablers, apologists, defense attorneys and bad excuse makers
Being a Punk
Yep, Winston IS better
April 21st, 2015 at 11:44 am
“SAMCRO Says:
April 21st, 2015 at 11:14 am
In the back of Winston’s mind he knows he has an out if he struggles in the NFL. So with that, will he actually give 110% all the time? Mariota doesn’t have another sport he can fall back on”
This is grasping at straws. Mariota has a degree and Winston does not. So, there’s Mariota’s fallback.
Winston plays hard because he’s a competitor and wants to be the best in everything. Like most type A, Alpha athletes in all sports. He’s no different.
April 21st, 2015 at 11:44 am
I watched Jameis in college. He was lightning in a bottle.,
He carried that team to victory.
In his second year- his supporting cast wasn’t as strong- so he drug them to Victory.
He is a phenom. He will do things on Sunday- that no other Buccaneer QB has done.
If I have to, I’ll follow him around, and pay for his sodas and Crab legs- and warn him which little gold diggers to avoid.
It will be worth it- to see what this amazing kid grows into.
April 21st, 2015 at 11:44 am
If we draft Mariota, I’ll be ticked. I’ll give him the same amount of time to prove it as most gave Glennon. Three weeks before the first pre season game.
April 21st, 2015 at 11:48 am
Marjoram seems like a great guy. I hope he makes it.
But he was a cog in the machine.
There is a huge difference between them.
Jameis will win. A lot.
So help me out, if you see him leaving Publix with crablegs- pay for them
If you see him running around with a pellet gun- let him know it might be a bad idea.
Whatever it takes.
He’ll be worth it
April 21st, 2015 at 11:49 am
“bucrightoff Says:
April 21st, 2015 at 11:30 am
I just cannot imagine the meltdown from many posters on this site if they take Mariota. Not only are they 1,000% convinced Winston is the pick, they all strongly dislike taking Mariota. It’ll be quite hilarious to see.”
The difference is Winston is BY FAR the odds on favorite. People thinking Mariota is picked are putting their chips on the longshot at the track.
Winston 1/6
Mariota 9/2
Williams 20/1
http://www.oddschecker.com/american-football/nfl-specials
April 21st, 2015 at 11:56 am
For a while I wasn’t sure, but now I think Winston is the pick. Licht used a key word when talking about who they decided on in the press conference and on the radio this morning . It’s the same word they use when talking about Jameis…. “Comfortable”.
April 21st, 2015 at 11:57 am
Chad Owens went on the have a GREAT career in the CFL……GREAT !!!
April 21st, 2015 at 12:06 pm
In the NFL Winston will be his own worst enemy. His giant ego, arrogance, sense of entitlement and his Superman complex will be his downfall and make him not live up to expectations. A team can put any kind of a support system around him that they want, but he is who he is and there will be nothing that they can do about it
April 21st, 2015 at 12:09 pm
@bucrightoff…
I think you have it backwards.
It appears that most people here, while they want and believe Winston will be the pick, will still support the team if, by some chance Mariota is the pick. I know I for one will. I’ll be disappointed that I believe that the Bucs made the wrong selection, but at the end of the day, I’m a Bucs fan first and foremost and will support the team in whichever direction they go.
Secondly, the Winston fans on here aren’t the ones calling Mariota every name under the sun, in the book. No one is threatening to leave the team if Mariota is the pick. I have yet to see that happen and if i’m wrong, please let me know. I’ve seen COUNTLESS “people” on here (granted, it could just be the same person using different names…you know who you are) state how over the team they would be…or state that they would rather be a Dolphins fan…or state that they’d be rooting for him to fail if the pick is Winston.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:10 pm
@BrianBucs – I’m pretty sure that Brady has a lot of those same characteristics. He seems to be squeaking out a living just fine.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:12 pm
1000% what Celly said. Of course I will root for Mariota if picked. I’m a Bucs fan.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:12 pm
so BrainBucs…are you saying the NFL will have to conform to Jameis….not the other way around……I sense that as well…..Jameis will be humbled and frustrate by the NFL….how he reacts we will just have to wait and see….it is something he has never expirenced….
April 21st, 2015 at 12:15 pm
“BrianBucs Says:
April 21st, 2015 at 12:06 pm
In the NFL Winston will be his own worst enemy. His giant ego, arrogance, sense of entitlement and his Superman complex will be his downfall and make him not live up to expectations. A team can put any kind of a support system around him that they want, but he is who he is and there will be nothing that they can do about it”
Bob Kraft: ‘Hi Mr. Kraft,’ he was about to say who he was, but I said ‘I know who you are, you’re Tom Brady. You’re our sixth round draft choice,’” recalled Kraft. “And he looked me in the eye and said ‘I’m the best decision this organization has ever made.’ It looks like he could be right.”
A SIXTH round pick, not a number overall said that. I want my QB to think he is the best. This isn’t a someone I’m drinking a beer with, or an office employee. It’s a game composed of alphas, led by alphas going against other alphas.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:18 pm
@Love & Warrick Dunn – well stated.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:19 pm
Bow down to king jameis
April 21st, 2015 at 12:21 pm
I like Winston but I’d be fine with Mariota. The main thing that makes me think twice about Winston is that Darby facebook post the day after the alleged incident. Does anybody here know if he’s been asked why he wrote that?
April 21st, 2015 at 12:23 pm
L&wd
These guys want to go to war with only with clergymen, no killers.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:30 pm
Bucneric
If you read thebaycave article from yesterday they debunk that Darby posted that. I don’t recall the details but something about it was a few days after and it wasn’t him but somebody else. Idk can’t remember yesterday was 4:20. Ha!
April 21st, 2015 at 12:31 pm
87
You forgot this one:
You’re the one that I want ooh ooh ooh yea.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:47 pm
Thanks WS99, I’ll have to look that up. When I saw that my heart sunk!!
April 21st, 2015 at 1:04 pm
BuccaneEric,
Google “Jameis Winston Chapter 3”
WS99,
Thanks for that link yesterday. I was behind the times and learned a great deal!! It calmed every doubt I had about that case. I am 99% sure he is as pure as the driven snow after reading that. I would say 100% sure but there is always a one percent doubt when not seen with my own eyes.
April 21st, 2015 at 1:06 pm
Nice post Celly. If we draft MM I’ll be two things, excited and disappointed.
April 21st, 2015 at 1:10 pm
Amen to your post, Hawaiian Buc. Loved it.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. Mariota is 25 percent less accurate on his second and third reads. That means he can hit VJax and nobody else. VJax is covered sometimes. LOL
April 21st, 2015 at 1:29 pm
LoL We’re still trying to debate who is better?
Winston is the superior QB and its not even close. If it werent for the off field stuff NOBODY would be even mentioning Mariota. 9 more days of the stupidity.
Welcome To Tampa, Jameis!
April 21st, 2015 at 1:43 pm
@HawaiianBuc…
I watched Colt Brennan put up nearly 600 yards against my Aggies at NMSU, that June Jones offense was an amazing thing to watch Brennan run. I remember reading about Big 10 schools turning down fully paid invites to play in Hawaii because they didn’t want to be embarrassed by Brennan. Kid could ball, but like someone else we all know, off-field issues during college curbed any real shot at an NFL career, was happy when the Skins drafted him, but like a story we may see play out he’s seen his share of trouble with the law.
April 21st, 2015 at 1:44 pm
Last time I checked we had 2 players in the ring of honor who were not perfect gentleman in college.
April 21st, 2015 at 2:02 pm
I have been for Winston from the start. Honestly either QB is better than what we have. It’s like McShay said if you look at the tape there is no comparison. When I see JW I see a qb that can come in and make an impact right away, I dont see that MM because the type of offensive players we have on the roster. JW fits better then MM would imo.
April 21st, 2015 at 2:22 pm
One thing is certain…..no matter who the Bucs draft, a large percentage of fans are gonna be pissed.
Thank you Jameis….you’re already screwing things up here in Tampa Bay. (You can’t blame Mariota)
April 21st, 2015 at 2:47 pm
@flmike and hawaiianbuc
Colt was good until they faced Georgia in that BCS bowl game. They got stomped! I was pulling for HU too.
April 21st, 2015 at 3:01 pm
@flmike,
Brennan was outstanding in college. However, you have to realize that so was Timmy Chang and Nick Rolovich. They all set records. It’s the offense, which is the very reason why I’m scared of Mariota. Tell me an unsuccessful QB in that system. They all put up low INT numbers, because it is such a deceptive offense that thrives on mismatches (exactly the way June Jones’ offense was in Hawaii).
Brennan had an off the field issue before he got to Hawaii, but he was beyond a model citizen until his NFL career was over. I know from first hand knowledge that he worked his butt off, but he just didn’t make it. He was too far behind the curve to learn how to play in a real offense. This is exactly what I fear with Mariota. It sounds simple to be in a huddle and be under center, but if you’ve never done it before, it isn’t. How many scrambling QB’s can you name that become pocket passers? I’m not saying it can’t happen, but the odds are very much against it. I do believe eventually there will be an exception, I’m just not that excited about taking the risk for my team, especially when there is a pro style QB right there for the taking.
April 21st, 2015 at 3:04 pm
@cspann,
Yeah, I actually went to that game. Worked a 10 hour shift that day, took the red eye from Hawaii, went to eat lunch, then went straight to the game. Left the following morning at 8am. I was up for over 48 hours straight! I remember watching Georgia come onto the field in pre game and saying “we’re about to get blown out of this building”. And that’s exactly what happened.
April 21st, 2015 at 3:18 pm
notices he said he “wanted to like mariota more than winston” all the “experts” that put mariota above winston are going in w/ the exact same thinking and are letting their bias cloud their analysis before all the incidents there was no question from any of them that he was the best QB
April 21st, 2015 at 4:10 pm
@CreamsicleBananaHammock
I did check out those breakdowns, and they were hogwash. He went out of his way to avoid discussing Winstons biggest weaknesses. He evede made things up.
For example, he stated that one pass was an NFL throw, placed right where it should be. It was down the left sideline, placed inside and behind the wide receiver. THE PRIME INTERCEPTION ZONE.
The guy knows nothing.
April 21st, 2015 at 5:26 pm
Thank you Hawaii for a well reasoned post. It amazes me how ridiculous all these Mariota guys are. “He will be the better pro.” Based On what exactly? He runs a fast 40? He throws few interceptions. No Oregon QB since Chip Kelly took over at Oregon has thrown double digit ints. He throws for gawdy yards. All Oregon QBs have since the Chip Kelly era started there. He is a product of the system. Saying he will be the better pro is a complete guess.
April 21st, 2015 at 6:09 pm
I gotta be honest….those of us rooting for the best QB Mariota…. love all this pre-draft Winston hype…..why?
Look at the history of the draft, very rarely do the media get the first pick right. IN the past 10 years, the only selections were Mario Williams and Luck that matched the majority of the media consensus. Who had Eric Fisher with the #1 pick in 2013?
With that said and knowing Lovie’s tendencies to buck trends, its either gonna be Mariota or surprise. Sing that sad song Winston love makers.
April 21st, 2015 at 6:14 pm
bucfan4life
We are using the same stupid logic you Winston lovers are using….. Google needs your algorithm.
Like the no sack joke stats….and he is “pro ready” since he was in the same system…all laughable.
April 21st, 2015 at 6:48 pm
@Mariota>Winston Says:
Whatever helps you sleep the next 7 days. But, please remember that I told you so when it’s Winston.
April 21st, 2015 at 8:11 pm
Bruce Arians on Mariota – at Oregon he did nothing resembling what an NFL QB is asked to do. Yeah it’s definitely laughable.
April 21st, 2015 at 8:39 pm
“Look at the history of the draft, very rarely do the media get the first pick right. IN the past 10 years, the only selections were Mario Williams and Luck that matched the majority of the media consensus. ”
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Is this sarcasm? They get it right every year for the last 10 years. Everyone knew it was going to either be Fisher or the other LT, so I’ll give you that one exception. Who didn’t have Jadaveon Clowney going #1? Who didn’t have Cam? Bradford, Stafford, Long, and Russell – all pretty much unanimous. The problem is you are reading random crap for mock drafts if you didn’t know those guys were going to get drafted. Stop reading these no name sites, and you’ll know it every year.
April 21st, 2015 at 9:44 pm
Mariota>Winston Says: even walterfootball.com had Fisher going #1
April 21st, 2015 at 9:53 pm
Winston is the better QB and is also the better pro prospect.
Very high % of “experts” say this – and many say if you are only looking at on field tape and not trying to factor in “off field risk” – its not even all that close.
9 more days till Famous Jameis’ Buccaneer career begins. 🙂
April 21st, 2015 at 9:56 pm
That was an absolutely ridiculous statement and proves he’s clueless. They always get the #1 pick right. It is definitely an anomaly if they don’t.
April 21st, 2015 at 10:08 pm
OMG, there are some Winston haters on here. Voicing their opinion, but it sounds sooooo stupid. They can’t be adults I tell myself. Even if Mariota was the better QB, I can’t imagine myself saying the things these ppl say. I would still be happy we got Mariota. The fact is he isn’t pro style ready. A QB that may sit the 1st year doesn’t get picked #1. If the Bucs don’t grab Winston, than look for a tradedown. If the Bucs get Mariota later than good. If they get B. Petty or the kid from UCLA later than good. QB at #1…only Winston. Throw out Mariota stats like video game stats like that means a whole lot. Hows it working out for RGIII or Geno Smith????? Not too good. All WINston did was WIN…26-1…alot of close games. Bucs lost a lot of close games. Writing is on the wall boys. Winston to M. Evans all day. All day crab legs !!
April 22nd, 2015 at 2:41 am
29 – 1
April 22nd, 2015 at 7:32 am
That is the thing Danati, many of them just seem like children that aren’t getting what they want and throw a temper tantrum. Mariota>Joe is a bit extreme because he obviously is uninformed but they just dismiss the System QB issue like its nothing at all. Simply put, it is a big deal. Who knows if he can transition to the NFL. This situation would be the equivalent of company looking to hire a recent college grad for a mechanical engineering position. You have one guy who graduated magna cum laude with a masters in mechanical engineering but had a couple issues while in school. The other guy also has a master and graduated at the top of his class, however he has a degree in civil engineering. He has a spotless record and is smart, but can you be sure he can learn how to be a mechanical engineer.
April 22nd, 2015 at 7:35 am
I meant to say Mariota>Winston
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:57 pm
ufour20 Says:
April 21st, 2015 at 9:34 am
Sloppy feet, sloppy mechanics, 18 interceptions versus a guy that completed 67% of his passes at Oregon, threw 40+ TD’s and only 4 picks…yeah, he’s waaaaaaay better.
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According to your rationale, Colt Brennan and Tim Tebow are first ballot hall-of-famers and Dan Marino will be a bust.