“If He Did, He’d Get Dumped In The Shower With A Bag Of Ice On His Head”
April 25th, 2015
Is Logan Mankins a key to righting Jameis Winston?
So what will happen if Jameis Winston walks into One Buc Palace and acts like he did at Florida State University?
Soon to be Hall of Fame general manager Bill Polian has an answer. It won’t go over well.
“No rookie comes in and says, ‘Come follow me.’ If he did, he’d get dumped in the shower with a bag of ice on his head,” Polian explained on BSPN Radio.
Polian said Winston needs to follow the model set by Peyton Manning.
“They are to follow the veterans. What a rookie should do is exactly what Peyton Manning did. Went in the locker [room] next to the offensive linemen, veteran guys, and said, ‘Hey, show me the ropes.'” Polian said. “He got close with Kelly Holcomb, who was a veteran, his backup, who knew exactly what was going in. That’s what rookies need to do. They need to be rookies. They need to be silent. They need to be out of the public eye. They need to be in the classroom learning, watching the veterans, listening to coaches, learning how to be professionals. No rookie’s capable of coming in and leading.”
Regardless of how Winston might play in the locker room, Polian pleaded with the masses to be patient.
“The public needs to understand, and people in the media need to understand. [Winston’s] going go have a lot of [football] trouble. He’s going to have difficulty,” Polian said. “And he’s going to have to overcome that adversity, and he’s going to have to learn how to overcome that adversity. That’s the way it is. It doesn’t change, the fact that you pay him $50 million as opposed to $5,000 in immaterial. The game is still the game.”
Remember, Polian also drafted Kerry Collins for Carolina in the first round of the 1995 draft. Collins struggled mightily in his first season, before landing in the Pro Bowl and the NFC Championship game in his second season.
A little patience will serve Bucs fans well. (And no, Mike Glennon Mob, this doesn’t mean Glennon was ever good enough to be treated like a franchise quarterback.)
April 25th, 2015 at 9:48 am
lol! is there a MG mob left? a backup will always be a backup.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:51 am
College players have difficulties in the pros.
Now that is serious inside baseball commentary.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:52 am
Mankins has enough to worry about with his own horrendous play…
April 25th, 2015 at 10:03 am
Mike Glennon needs to get the hell outta here. The poor guy has never gotten the respect. Unlike Winston, 3rd rounder Glennon was unjustly expected to win right away. He wasn’t given the luxury of learning like Joe, and so many suggest. So now we’re being told to be patient with the #1 pick in the draft, and allow him time to get his feet under him? hypocrites ..if anything, we should expect nothing short of making the playoffs with Winston this year, not next year. If he’s the next Andrew Luck like so many of you smitten, and totally biased FSU fans suggest, then he shouldn’t need time to transition. …he’s pro-ready!!! remember?
April 25th, 2015 at 10:05 am
Yes there are still some of us rooting for Glennon to succeed with the Bucs, but apparently patience for a QB only applies to first round draft picks for some.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:06 am
The more I think about it the more I think we should trade down and start Glennon, neither of these quarterbacks are ready. I’ve been hearing a lot of bad bad things regarding Winston and how he isn’t as good as we may think.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:14 am
We already know that Winston, (like several other QB’s), has the physical tools to become a very good quarterback. But the things that will make him successful, are the intangibles that he possesses.
He isn’t a dead-head a$$hole like Cutler or Newton. No sulking. Hissy fits, maybe. But you get that with Rivers and he’s a great leader.
He is consumed with film study and knowing his responsibilities and what to expect from the opposition. That has held Peyton and Brady in damn good stead in their careers.
And finally, I am so thrilled with our new Offensive Coordinator. Dirk has done it before and is willing to adapt the offense to the personnel and the QB in charge. This should be exciting. We have all the pieces (except an offensive line) to have a really moving offense.
Now, J & L, get to work, following the Winston pick, and get us some mean Mothers on that offensive line. I’ll take a few penalties to open holes you can drive a semi through and pancake blocks in pass protection.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:17 am
@Supersam
It’s worth a thought eh? And so you have to ask yourself. What does Koetter see in MG8 and his future playing in Koetters up tempo offense. Does that game in Seattle when Glennon lit up the Seahawks with a no huddle offense have any bearing on Koetter’s decision.
You have to ask yourself how far down the board do the Bucs have Petty versus Fameis/Marcus. Any draft will be gamble but what about the reward. Does Petty have any upside?
These are all legitimate questions for anybody except the crowd that has already crowned Fameis a franchis QB who has Super Bowls in front of him.
Perhaps. Perhaps not.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:18 am
I just want to wake up May 1st with Winston as the QB of this football team.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:20 am
In case any of you haven’t noticed Glennon continues to get a lot of support here on these pages, as a backup or potential starter. Dismiss that as BS and you are BS’ing the truth.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:24 am
Since we’re actually going to draft Mariota, these Winston article’s are pretty silly, but I’ll entertain the idea til Thursday….
So, if we do draft Winston, he’s going to have to quell his leadership instincts now? Ok well, that sucks, since that’s pretty much his greatest attribute….
He can’t get fired up and say curse words or even act like a true leader now? Seems pointless to even think about drafting him. (which I wouldn’t consider doing anyway, but whatever)
April 25th, 2015 at 10:28 am
DallasBuc,
All logic indicates that you aren’t going to get what you want. Mariota is by far the logical favorite to be our new QB.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:29 am
So… If both of these QBs have so many question marks, and everyone is consistently rating L. Williams as the top player in the draft, AND we desperately need a pass rush for Lovie’s defense to thrive… How realistic is it you think the Bucs shock everyone and skip both JW & MM?
April 25th, 2015 at 10:32 am
@supersam
Well there you go again Sammy, talking in generalities, desperately searching for ways to find the minority of professionals who agree with your point of view. But as usual the vast majority have Winston still out there as the number #1 overall pick in this draft. Check out Dcprosportsreport and the last 100 choices of those professionals closer to the NFL than you or me. Again we Bucs fans are smarter than you give us credit for. As for Glennon I think he should remain with the Bucs. Let’s see if Koetter can bring him along. While the fans will probably want Jameis day I, personally I disagree. I would like Glennon all things being equal, to start until the bye week. Lovie is the type of coach that tends to like all rookies to pay a few dues before starting. I think it would be good for Winston to watch and learn even for several weeks. He should accept this, after all he was a redshirted freshman at FSU.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:41 am
Maybe the scenario will be like Manning and Rivers in 2004 when the Chargers sent Manning and picks to the Giants for Rivers after each had already been drafted.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:46 am
I wouldn’t mind getting Winston AND Rivers, to be honest. Start Rivers for a year or two.
Won’t happen, but it would be nice.
If we take Winston and he is a bust, we’ll look back and wish we had also brought in a quality veteran for a backup plan.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:49 am
I’ve been saying this since Joe started pounding his head against the wall and screaming for Winston.
Two veteran WR’s, a stable OL and a wise OC will help with the transition.
Unlike the vast majority of people who think the OL is talentless, I still believe the OC from last year was the root cause of the problem for the offenses ineptitude.
If the OC applies the KISS method, it will help a lot. Starting all of the ganes with easy patterns the QB likes and keeping him out of long third down situations is also very beneficial.
Of course these are all things are OC didn’t do last year.
As for Glennon, after two seasons we should know if he was going to be an NFL starter, but once again, because of our terrible OC from last year, we don’t.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:49 am
Although I want a quarterback badly, and feel that we need to address the need immediately, I could live with going DL or OL in the first round, as long as we got a QB in round 2. I wouldn’t run for the hills.
Sure, I would probably freak out at first, and that day waiting for the round 2 would be the longest day ever, but I would eventually calm down.
I doubt that will happen though.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:49 am
The Bucs have been making absolutely no effort to trade Mike Glennon. He’s their safety net just in case the rookie QB comes in and bombs
April 25th, 2015 at 10:56 am
winston’s football skills, as well as leadership skills, are way higher than mariota or glennon! just because you don’t believe it, doesn’t make you logical, in fact, illogical because you do not notice the obvious.
koetter wants a real qb in winston, not some backup, starter reject in glennon. and nobody outside obp knows what offense koetter will run.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:56 am
Buccfan37 Says
“In case any of you haven’t noticed Glennon continues to get a lot of support here on these pages, as a backup or potential starter. Dismiss that as BS and you are BS’ing the truth.”
I’m a bit tired of people acting like Mike Glennon did not get a fair shot (and I know you are not saying that).
He did get a fair shot. He has had time to work on his ability and efficiency. Plenty of camps, practices and even some games. He has not once shown the potential to overcome his weaknesses.
I don’t expect instant greatness from anyone, but I want to at least see slight improvement in areas of weakness. Mike Glennon has not shown that. He is honestly no better now than he was in his first camp.
That said, he also hasn’t had a quality offensive coordinator, and I am curious as to what Dirk can do with him. I’m not curious enough to put all out eggs in one basket though.
Truthfully, Mike Glennon would have been named the starter by now if he had done two things:
1 Shown at least some improvement
2 Been more aggressive in taking over the starting role
He could have stepped up last year, even if he wasn’t starting, and proven to Lovie that he had what it takes and could command the team. He didn’t.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:56 am
The smart move for the Bucs would be to pass on both of these 2 QB’s and build their team. I really don’t think that either one is #1 pick worthy and the Bucs have a lot of weak spots on that roster and can’t afford to miss on this pick. If you look around the NFL you see a lot of teams that have what they call their Franchise QB and they still stink
April 25th, 2015 at 11:01 am
@BrianBucs
Yes, but show me one Superbowl attending team that does not have a franchise quarterback in the last ten years.
Pats. Giants. Seahawks. 49ers. Broncos.
There are plenty. Even the losing superbowl teams had them. 20 teams, and all of them had franchise QBs.
April 25th, 2015 at 11:02 am
Winston’s huge ego and overrated ability will make him turn out to be an NFL journeyman like Byron Leftwich until he eventually just fades away.
Whatever team selects him will regret it sooner than later
April 25th, 2015 at 11:04 am
Winston will win a Super Bowl within 5 years – George Whitfield
April 25th, 2015 at 11:04 am
you need a qb better than glennon to get anywhere in this league. a great qb can cover up many holes. st. louis and buffalo have good teams with few holes, but do not have the franchise qb (or oft injured, doesn’t play), and are going nowhere.
April 25th, 2015 at 11:07 am
Bonzai
Those are all good teams with good balanced rosters which the Bucs are not.
Plus, some of those QB’s were not taken in the 1st round
April 25th, 2015 at 11:16 am
@ Smart 1
Interesting take however I look at it differently. If an NFL player doesn’t have the utmost of confidence in himself it will negatively effect his play on the field. Watching Winston on Gruden’s QB Camp he stated that he often reaches out to his team mates, builds even the most average of players up with confidence to get them to at least play at their highest potential. Ask Winston why he should a team pick him number #1 overall….he always states he is confident in his abilitities….he wears his confidence as a badge of honor…we want this quality as our QB and leader.
April 25th, 2015 at 11:20 am
This story is all smoke and mirrors, if it were true then Johnny Football wouldn’t have had the issues he had in Cleveland
April 25th, 2015 at 11:23 am
If the Bucs do make the horrible mistake of drafting Captain Crablegs, and I’m Mankins or McCoy, when he walks through the door at OBP for the first time, I’m getting him by the arm, pulling him aside and telling him “Welcome to Tampa. Now let’s get this very straight you little punk-a$$ b$tch, you are no more than a rookie here now. That trophy and championship now doesn’t mean sh$t. If you accept the fact that you are just a member of our team and listen to us and do what we tell you then we will all have success. If you come in here with that ego and holier than Thou attitude and continue to make an a$$ out of yourself and embarass us all then we will bust your punk a$$ out of here and you can go get a job at Publix”
April 25th, 2015 at 11:27 am
P’Cola
My very wise father once said that if you have to go around telling people how great you are, then you aren’t
April 25th, 2015 at 11:31 am
Excellent natural Leadership skills is one of the primary reasons the Bucs are drafting Winston.
Winston’s skills on the field and the way he encourages his teammates to be the best they can be is what will quickly earn Jameis the role of leader on offense. It won’t take long.
April 25th, 2015 at 11:32 am
@ Smart1
Very Well Said
April 25th, 2015 at 11:38 am
Byron Leftwich, Tim Couch and Vince Young were said to be great team leaders also
April 25th, 2015 at 11:39 am
Smart1,
Your post was…..smart.
He shouldn’t be the pick. If he is, I hope he comes in and is the leader that his fans want him to be. After all, he has it all figured out and these morons on the current Bucs roster can learn so much from him.
If he is the pick (I am sincerely laughing out loud as I type) I can’t help thinking how great it will be when this guy tries to educate other players on how to be a great player and professional. They know him for what he is.
April 25th, 2015 at 11:41 am
Im a qb fan who always found glennon far more capable as compared to what most so called think. I always liked him over ej since their h.s. all star throwing exhibitions. He has real value. If teams see promise in bradford glennon should be highly sought after for extra competition for teams needing a true starter. This still doesnt mean you skip on the type of player who takes the entire team to a different level. Its not like hes going to be cut. Hes quality insurance, for now. Glennons absolute ceiling if given proper support is bledsoe/flacco if hes really entrusted with good team(which is very good if you’re fair) flacco has shown some real flashes of greatness. Hes had inconsistency surrounding him mostly as well. Those guys, who i obviously respect, are not in the same discussion as Jameis, im sorry..all due respect to those who are masquerading as football experts stating the obvious “hes going to have struggles”. Lol!! No kidding? What a revelation. I never considered hed never have a turnovernor lose..
April 25th, 2015 at 11:44 am
* so called experts think
April 25th, 2015 at 11:55 am
Who says he has to “go around telling people hes great” ever heard of ‘game recognize game’, you non-athletes?..lol! When jameis commands the respect of his teams on the practice field, which is inevitable, this season, he becomes untouchable in that locker room, period. Every single player, to a man, will see what kind of worker he is on top of being ‘the man’ and be willing to lay it on the line to gain his respect in turn..what dont you get, really? Its not quantum physics..jameis was given nothing at fsu, from day 1. he earned that job along with a veteran laden teams respect, at 19, which lead to undeniably historic results. No one critical of jameis’s leadership qualities will be laughing at anything but their own ignorance, or jealousy, in due time. Tick tock..:)
April 25th, 2015 at 12:02 pm
tval
There’s a huge difference in leading a bunch of young college guys who aren’t really sure about what’s going on anyways than leading a team of grown, mature men in the NFL. They look for maturity and substance, someone to repect, not just mouthy immature nonsense. You can’t lead grown men if you aren’t one yourself. No respect there
April 25th, 2015 at 12:16 pm
The only thing that Winston will “Lead” is the NFL in Interceptions
April 25th, 2015 at 12:27 pm
If Glennon was the guy, Greg Schiano wouldn’t have gotten fired afyer a 4-12 season. If Glennon improved we would not be sitting here with the first overall pick. The job was his to lose and when he lost to the Browns, he lost the job.
I will always like Glennon for the Pittsburgh game. But Jameis or Mariota will be a much needed upgrade.
Also there is a fine line here. Jameis needs to respect the vets in camp. But he will be that leader on the field on Sundays. Once he does that he will get the respect in the locker room eventually. This season will be a process.
April 25th, 2015 at 12:38 pm
Ok. Bucs FAns let’s be honest here. F the off the field stuff is mariotta better than jameis ? Honestly If you can answer that definitively I’d like to hear your opinion…. Same thing for mike glennon fans, is he better than jameis? Right now?!
And don’t give me hypotheticals and what ifs… One ball three players. Are you taking glennon, jameis or whoever? Let’s get on the same page bucs fans!!!!!
April 25th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
HarlemBuc,
I’m taking Mariota without hesitation over Glennon or Jameis (who are actually very similar QB’s).
April 25th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
Glennon is 5-13 enough said
April 25th, 2015 at 1:27 pm
The fact that polian has to say this should be embarrassing enough. Sapp and brooks said it wasn’t there team until hardy decided to retire after the loss in the final game of his career.
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ToesOnTheLine! Says:
April 25th, 2015 at 10:05 am
Yes there are still some of us rooting for Glennon to succeed with the Bucs, but apparently patience for a QB only applies to first round draft picks for some.
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Are you actually suggesting you’d be just as patient with Glennon average play if he’s a first round pick? No I didn’t think so, only reason your patient is because he isn’t. you’d be done with him already like most sensible fans that see he’s not a franchise player. He’s not even Brad Johnson
April 25th, 2015 at 3:29 pm
Im really startting to think Glennon may really be the qb the bucs plan to roll with…..
Question….why is it Winston deserves a couple years to learn while glennon got his rookie season and no fair shot to keep his job last year.
Does anyone actually think Winston would have led this team to the playoffs last year. Ill bet if glennon started all 16 games with an oc he would have led the bucs to the playoffs in his second year. Some fans are so ignorant and impatient. If L and L pass on a qb with the first pick than that means koetter thinks he can get out of glennon what he got out of ryan. I actually hope that is what happens. Winston has never been in the nfl spotlight. He may crumble when he sees that he will be the center of national medias attention all day every day. Im not so sure lovie wants that.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:01 pm
Its been a long time since we’ve had a consistently good team and it has completely dumbed down the fan base. I cannot believe the amount of people that want to pass on a franchise level QB. I am all in 110% with Winston, but if it is not going to be him then it at least better be someone other than Glennon. Glennon is a good enough back-up to give you a .500 record over a four game span if your starter goes down…..if, there is a good team around him.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:05 pm
Dallasbuc please be sure and remind Erik the Wiseman of your logic next Thursday. Especially seeing as how he is convinced himself the Buccs are drafting marita. I’m taking notes,I’ll be looking for many you all Thursday night. Have the courage to chime in then will ya.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:47 pm
I have no idea who the person is you guys are describing but it not Jameis Winston. Yes he is a confident leader. I would nor would anybody who has been around him describe him as a cocky punk who thinks of himself over the team This is the guy who dedicated his Heisman to his team and always credit his team whenever given a chance. You all should do yourselves a favor and look into who the will be leading the Bucs for the next ten plus years. I think you all will be presently surprised.
BTW none of the national sports writers & NFL scouts who compared Winston football aptitude and draft score to Luck were FSU grads.
April 26th, 2015 at 3:54 am
Winston’s turnovers are being overblown and have been throughout the process. His interceptions were because he was playing on a bum ankle the whole season. If he wasn’t hurt he would’ve thrown under ten interceptions and never lost a game at fsu. As far as the crab legs go I believe him. He just told the people the real about how some of his off field incidents went down. He doesn’t seem to be a party type either because he carries a closed circle of himself and his family and stays hard at his craft also. I just dont see why there’s still doubters at this point.
April 26th, 2015 at 9:14 am
Did u know mike Glennon threw 29 TD and 15 interceptions in 19 games behind a sh** o-line against NFL defenses without a speedy receiver to spread the field. I guarantee you he will be statistically superior over Winston when its all said and done and if we draft to replace Glennon it will be a waste. But it’ll keep our ship in dry dock. I guess that’s what the fans want.
April 26th, 2015 at 9:16 am
Try mg again. Cardale Jones is better than Winston.
April 26th, 2015 at 9:50 am
“So what will happen if Jameis Winston walks into One Buc Palace and acts like he did at Florida State University?
Soon to be Hall of Fame general manager Bill Polian has an answer. It won’t go over well. ”
There is so much wrong with the above statement. First when Winston arrived at FSU he was RS and was nothing but respectful to those actually starting and was a cheerleader on the sidelines. That is not a bad thing.
Second when named as a starter Winston continually avoided praising himself and constantly gave credit to the players on the field and experienced players on the field.
It is rather obvious Polian is unaware of the above with his opinion not based on actual facts of the kid.