“I Think It’s Rude”
April 25th, 2015
Sure, Joe read the nonsense peddled by an unnamed NFL personnel executive to renowned Packers writer Bob McGinn, the stuff that claimed Jameis Winston is the next JaMarcus Russell, one of the greatest quarterback busts of all time.
A former general manager, a Marcus Mariota backer no less, is now on record ripping McGinn’s report.
The ex-GM blasting the Russell=Winston baloney is none other than Mark Dominik. The former Tampa Bay rockstar general manager works for ESPN and took to The Sedano Show airwaves last night. When asked about the report, Dominik let loose.
“I think it’s rude. I think it’s completely offbase to call him JaMarcus Russell,” Dominik said of Winston. “I just don’t see the comparison. Look, if you want to say one thing about Jameis [as a football player], the only thing I’d sit there and say is at the end of the season, he lost 17 pounds to go to the combine. I didn’t like that. You know, because I’d like to think he’s playing as well as he can all the way through the bowl series and then getting himself ready for the combine, instead of having to get himself in shape. But from a football standpoint, from a football intelligence, from a competitor, from a leader, it ain’t close. It’s embarrassing. For my personal opinion, whatever GM said that, probably should not be a GM, quite frankly.”
Yes, the Russell comparison won’t stop anytime soon. It’s easy pickings for the haters. Just lazy analysis on many football fronts.
Ironically, one of Russell’s greatest games changed Bucs history. It was Russell who threw two touchdowns and completed two-thirds of his passes against Tampa Bay to close the 2008 season. The loss knocked the Bucs from the playoffs and got Chucky fired.
April 25th, 2015 at 11:28 am
Rude would be a kind word to describe Jameis…
April 25th, 2015 at 11:33 am
Winston will prove himself to be quality man and an excellent quarterback. Haters will be embarrassed. So glad to have him as a Buccaneer.
April 25th, 2015 at 11:37 am
I do not see the Jamarcus Russell comparison at all. I do not see the Byron Leftwich comparison either. But I also do not see the Andrew Luck comparison.
I think Fameis is more talented and has a far better head on his shoulder than Jamarcus Russell or Byron Leftwich, but I simply do not see Andrew Luck. Somewhere in the middle for me.
April 25th, 2015 at 11:40 am
Can’t wait for Thursday night!
Enough with the bull spit.
Trade back, Licht, and get us a king’s ransom.
April 25th, 2015 at 11:41 am
It would be hard to beat J Russell at being the biggest bust.
April 25th, 2015 at 11:43 am
Fungi…we need an antifungal to get rid of you. Lol. Stop bashing people. I’d bet that you’re not persect sir. And does anybody remember that he hurt his ankle pretty badly halfway through the season and didnt practice sometimes? Was in a walking boot at times. Can’t be conducive to doing cardio..just saying.
April 25th, 2015 at 11:44 am
He’s not fat, he’s big boned!
Cartman
April 25th, 2015 at 11:46 am
Realy wish Jameis can become a better person and QB.
Realy don´t want him drafted by Buccaneers since he is overhyped.
No good decison making (which takes away from his ability to anticipate throws)..
Only thing he is realy realy outstanding at: Arm strength and Talking..
Now thats not a 1st overall IMO
April 25th, 2015 at 11:51 am
Winston’s abilities and confidence will be a breathe of fresh air for this team. He will help those around him elevate their own play…..only 128 hours and 10 minutes to the draft!
April 25th, 2015 at 11:53 am
I do actually see a little bit of Russell in Winston. However, I see more Byron Leftwich, Vince Young and Ryan Leaf
Even though I think it was kind of low class for a GM to say that, he, like all of us, is entitled to his own opinion. And he probably isn’t the only GM to feel that way
April 25th, 2015 at 11:56 am
This song is dedicated to Buc1987:
“Now there was a time,
When you loved me so.
I couldn’t do wrong,
And now you need to know.
See, I been a bad bad bad bad man.
And I’m in deep.
Yeah.
I found a brand new love for this man,
And can’t wait till you see.
I can’t wait.
So how you like me now?
How you like me now?
Remember the time
When I eat you up
Yeah I was a lie
That you can’t give up.”
Keep posting. I mean that sincerely, I like your passion. I can’t stand the guy that you and others want to come to my home town and represent us. I have to imagine that either you just don’t see what he really is or, well …. I don’t know. I refuse to believe that so many of my neighbors don’t care about character or integrity.
April 25th, 2015 at 12:03 pm
Get em Dominik!
Robert Flores on Sportscenter basically called racism on this last night…and he’s right.
Anyone who can’t see the difference between Winston and Russell just isn’t smart enough to see the difference.
There have been dozens of big time quarterback prospects with character concerns….some were picked 1st and busted like Russell and Leaf…while others like Marino and Favre fell in the draft and made everyone who passed on them look dumb…what it boils down to is their will to be great. Success in football was not the top priority for Leaf and Russell…I feel like it is for Jameis…he won’t let anything stand in his way of being great.
April 25th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
^^^^^^^after so much losing, I think most of your neighbors are about ready to recruit from the penal system than to keep watching lousy football week in and week out. This is the NFL ladies not the boy scouts!!!
April 25th, 2015 at 12:08 pm
I see Russel in Winston too. Not skin and not play style but the first time I saw him was in uniform and immediately thought of Russel. It’s his body shape. From the chest down I think he looks just like Russel. His butt and thighs especially. Not the fat Russel but the Russel before he fattened up like a farm animal. But saying his play style and attitude is like Russel is way off base.
April 25th, 2015 at 12:10 pm
I bet if you took a poll of all of the NFL GM’s and head coaches and asked them who they would rather pick at #1, Mariota or Winston, the results would be about evenly split.
For the Bucs, it may just be a case of which QB fits the best in what they want to do offensively moving forward
April 25th, 2015 at 12:12 pm
I love this talk about character and integrity like you know any of these players. Derrick Brook took free shoes at FSU, Peyton Manning had issues in college. All you know is the crap that you are told by the media. if you did you’re own research you would also see the charity work Jameis did and the times he visited kids as well. But that does not fit their narrative so you never saw that. You are so caught up in what the media says when all they do is try to generate clicks for people like you who will believe anything. By the way many fans like myself do care about character but we just have a brain of our own and don’t just believe what we are told to believe. Don’t you remember being told Josh Freeman was a great kid, I do and just like now I just watched and saw for myself and the truth came out.
April 25th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
Barry Says:
April 25th, 2015 at 12:11 pm
But it’s totally being a gentleman to brutally rape a young girl.
#DP #HGH #PEDs #BrainDeadRetard
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No it is monstrous to brutally rape a young girl! Who do you know who did that? If you say Winston, since he was not charged then you sir are breaking the law. Ever hear of defamation of character? I doubt it based on your continuous ignorance that you share with us so frequently.
April 25th, 2015 at 12:22 pm
There’s a huge difference in Having Character, and Being a Character
April 25th, 2015 at 12:22 pm
Barry you real name wouldn’t happen to be Erica would it? Lol. Maybe you could tell us your story w/o all the lies. I mean, you do remember what happened right? You mentioned that you had no recollection once before. But thing is, I have women in my family who were sexually assaulted and they remember everything…that’s interesting.
April 25th, 2015 at 12:23 pm
Barry, you’re not judge and jury even though you play one on this board. The law says there is no case. At least five investigations say there is no case. Get over it. Winston will be a Buc and a fine one at that.
April 25th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
The only reason he said that is because he could be named an “unnamed” source. If he had to put his name on it, I doubt he would have said that. That’s why there should be NO credibility for unnamed sources. Who’s to stop them from saying anything if they don’t have to put their name on it?
April 25th, 2015 at 12:32 pm
Also Barry, even if he did rape the alleged victim, which there was not enough proof to charge him, there was no brutality involved. Even if it were a matter of taking advantage of a loose college girl who drank too much or took some other drug that impaired her ability to say no, where is the brutality? Did he pistol whip someone or hold a knife to someones throat while forcing himself on them by violent physical force? See you lose credibility when you use brutally as an adjective to describe what he allegedly but was not charged with doing. There is still a possibility that this was a money making scheme on this woman’s part unless you believe that sort of thing never happens. And if you say, why would she be seeking so hard for justice and embarrassing herself in the process? Easy answer. Money. There are fake homeless people who swallow pride to beg for money and make a good living doing so, so why would a woman who has DNA evidence to prove sexual contact with a future #1 draft pick, not find it enticing to pull such a stunt as to lie about being raped? Do you find that preposterous? Well unless something has enough evidence to prove, we have to accept the justice system to handle these issues. Winston could be guilty but so could she. None of us will never really know. So please drop the brutal rape crap!!!!
April 25th, 2015 at 12:36 pm
No way do the Bucs draft Winston. Do you delusional FSU fans even know Lovie Smith? Has he ever drafted a guy with character issues in the first round? Winston was fat and out of shape while he was competing in the championship run. How does that happen? When I was 20 I could eat fast food and rarely work out and still be thin. Winston worked out almost every day in the Florida heat! How was he out of shape. Then still looked bad at the combine! How do you people think he will be better in the nfl when he has a whole off season to be out of shape?
April 25th, 2015 at 12:37 pm
As someone who thinks we are better off rolling the dice with winston opposed to mariota (although if we draft mariota im going to instantly wish that i was wrong, and hope mariota ends up being the much better qb….bc im a bucs fan, and not really a fan or “hater” of any individual player, just teams) not only is it pointless to make these completely unpredictable comparisons…but also rude, and most of all classless….
The way i see it, uunless you have some sort of personal relationship with a player you know….it truly seems both creepy and a bit emotionally unstable to have so much hate for a player, whos future as a pro is completely unpredictable
April 25th, 2015 at 12:41 pm
Folks, we have gone through the looking glass….
“even if he did rape the alleged victim”
-rayjay1122
With the number one pick in the 2015 Draft the Bucs select…………..
April 25th, 2015 at 12:43 pm
J.Russell was an out of shape Jimbo Fisher product so there is the comparison. I don’t know how in the world E.J. Manuel, Jamarcus Russell, and Christian Ponder could all have below average college careers and then get drafted in the first round. Does Jimbo have naked pictures of the GMs in the nfl? I am preying the Bucs aren’t the next to fall for the over hyped Winston. Have you FSU fans not figured it out yet? Winston is only being talked about because he is controversial. People either like him unconditional or hate him and that equals ratings and clicks on the websites. Mariota is boring because he is not a trouble maker. When did that become a bad thing?
April 25th, 2015 at 12:44 pm
Winston comes with more Red Flags than a Chinese military parade. He’s a know shoplifter, thief, vandal, public nuisence, an accused felony rapist, and now a known liar, an interceptipn machine who gets easily confused, angered and flustered.
When/if the Glazers decide to draft him and he blows up in their faces, they will have nobody to blame but themselves because the warning signs were all there
April 25th, 2015 at 12:51 pm
Greg
If you go back and look at quotes from Jimbo Fisher when JaMarcus Russell came out of college and now compare them to what he has said about Winston in recent months, he said the same exact things about both guys. That’s kind of alarming
April 25th, 2015 at 1:02 pm
Barry are you serious? You do know that he said the exact opposite but what she said is fact right? You, just like all of us, have no idea what happened so quit acting like you do or go be a lawyer and prove it. It is he said she said and the overwhelming proof has not even lead to a charge. You really need to stop man I mean you do know that she could be lying right?
April 25th, 2015 at 1:07 pm
Oh and by the way Barry, it is closed minded people like you that can lead to innocent people getting put in jail because of a preconceived notion. You see it goes both ways.
April 25th, 2015 at 1:09 pm
Well said Ndog
April 25th, 2015 at 1:15 pm
I forgot about that 2008 game. The irony that even if you are comparing Winston/Russell as a negative, Russell’s talent is what threw the Buc’s organization into chaos.
April 25th, 2015 at 1:16 pm
ndog,
Do a Google search and see how Derrick Brooks handled his NCAA violation of accepting two sweat shirts from agents. He is an example of how to be a stand-up guy (I realize he’s spoken well of Winston. I have known too many good people who were at fault for wishing the best of bad people). You’ll see that a good man can rise above bad decisions. Jameis isn’t that guy. Can’t you see the difference?
April 25th, 2015 at 1:17 pm
Well they are both black and for most that’s all you need to come to the conclusion they are the same, sad part is your to ignorant to notice it….. And you think he’s stupid lol. Yea because boys turn into men so early in life. Bet some of you have a much bigger rap sheet but your anonymous one’s none of us care about
April 25th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
You guys keep acting like its only one girl. Just a reminder but it was 2. Thats 2 girls that were intimidated by Tallahassee police not to come forward. 2 separate girls who saught justice before anyone even knew who Winston was. There was no pursuit of money or fame. Just justice and it failed them… miserably.
April 25th, 2015 at 1:21 pm
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April 25th, 2015 at 1:22 pm
Sorry, my question mark was directed at bucs4lyfe
April 25th, 2015 at 1:24 pm
#5
April 25th, 2015 at 1:25 pm
The un-named source was leaked, it’s Rustin Webster GM for the Tenn Titans.
April 25th, 2015 at 1:27 pm
For the record I couldn’t care less about the crab legs. I do care that he only started 2 years, had 18 interceptions in his last year, will be out of shape, emotionally immature.
April 25th, 2015 at 1:31 pm
Biggest concern is it takes Jameis as long to run the 40 as it takes Joe”s page to load LOL!
April 25th, 2015 at 1:32 pm
Greg<
LOL! That has to be the best quote ever!
April 25th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
I liked Jamarcus Russell. he had good character coming into the NFL. something Winston does not have. Jamarcus Russell also played on an NFL team that had a crummy 0-line. the bucs current 0-line is actually worse! Winston and Russell are both pocket passers. Jamarcus was knocked down and sacked repeatedly. he got the blame when it was the 0-lines fault for his lack of performance on the field. Winston needs to go to a team that can give him time for that slow long wind up throw he has.
April 25th, 2015 at 1:41 pm
port richey,
hey, I see what you did there!
April 25th, 2015 at 1:52 pm
I know Im asking a lot here but is too much to expect a 21 year old QB not to have man breasts?
April 25th, 2015 at 1:52 pm
bucs nation
April 25th, 2015 at 2:26 pm
Greg that was absolutely hilarious!
April 25th, 2015 at 2:34 pm
The “alleged victim” said winston was on top of her holding her down.Don’t forget the only marks on her body were on her knees and top of her foot. That doesn’t sound like he was on top of her. Sounds like a different position!!!!!
April 25th, 2015 at 2:37 pm
BuccaneEric,
That should be in his speach as he accepts the Bucs’s offer.
April 25th, 2015 at 2:41 pm
Jeez Joe!!! I get you’re a Winston backer, but you don’t have to be involved with everyone’s personal opinion. You’ll see soon enough that Winston isn’t or is what you thought he was. My opinion is he’s going to struggle BAD
April 25th, 2015 at 2:42 pm
actually it was her arms that had the bruises. You scum bags that make fun of a girl for possibly being raped are a disgrace to Bucs fans.
April 25th, 2015 at 2:42 pm
WS99, that was a good one!! Lol!! In other news, Chip Kelly said he doesn’t think Mariota will be a good NFL QB, proceeds to trade into top 5!!!
April 25th, 2015 at 2:45 pm
Then again there were 2 girls so Im not sure which you are trying to make fun of. Where there’s smoke there’s fire aka Jameis
April 25th, 2015 at 2:46 pm
Greg, I’m not trying to make fun of her, it’s just that her story is a little fishy for me. If winston did do it I hope she gets justice! I just don’t see it right now. Do you think we should just go Mariota or trade instead of winston?
April 25th, 2015 at 2:48 pm
Murphy’s law “What ever can go wrong will go wrong” Jameis just has too many issues you FSU fans have to make up excuses for. If the Bucs draft him they will be fired in 2 years. Then we will be drafting another QB
April 25th, 2015 at 2:51 pm
Here is a question for you FSU alumni… Why all of this unconditional love and protection for Winston when the girls were also FSU students?
Stay Classy FSU!!!
April 25th, 2015 at 2:57 pm
Greg here’s a question for you…
What 2nd accuser?
Where is she?
April 25th, 2015 at 2:59 pm
Until she comes forward there is no 2nd accuser…
April 25th, 2015 at 3:02 pm
She just filed a civil suit. That makes 2. She was brushed off by FSU and Tallahassee before the second girl which is the one everyone knows about. Both girls were intimidated by Tallahassee police NOT to come forward. The second is the girl that got more publicity and is still fighting. I would rather the Bucs draft her!
April 25th, 2015 at 3:02 pm
87,
Be patient. You know that she’s out there. You’ve followed all of this. Most every bit of info that has come up was leaked early (e.g. hook-up). Many have said that this will be timed according to the draft. They say that this is a way of exacting justice when the system is skewed against anti-FSU accusers.
True? I don’t know. A day in court will come. Shouldn’t we, especially Jameis be happy about that?
April 25th, 2015 at 3:05 pm
Very rare that a guy gets falsely accused of rape. Incredibly rare to have it happen twice. Add in the entitlement mentality of his other issues is it really that hard to believe… really?
April 25th, 2015 at 3:05 pm
87, I thought this other girl already came out a while ago and said that she never told winston no?
April 25th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
No she has not filed any suit what-so-ever, nor has she come out yet…
April 25th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
Just to be clear I am not holding court here. Just dont want to associate our number 1 overall draft pick with all of this gross behavior. I want a guy I know I can feel good rooting for.
April 25th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
Greg Says:
April 25th, 2015 at 3:05 pm
“Very rare that a guy gets falsely accused of rape. Incredibly rare to have it happen twice”
This phantom 2nd accuser never said anything about it being rape….that’s Greg’s word.
Please show us all where she’s in on a civil suit…
April 25th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
Greg Says:
April 25th, 2015 at 3:02 pm
“She just filed a civil suit.”
Where can I find this at. I’m being serious, I really can’t find it..
April 25th, 2015 at 3:17 pm
Greg, I agree with you its rare but it does happen. Brian Banks spent 5 years in prison for being falsely accused.Thats only an example and I know that has nothing to do with Jameis. I don’t think anyone on this site would want Jameis if it was proved that he did it. None of us know what really happened, we’re all just guessing and stating our opinions. I guess I’m the kind of person who tends to give people the benefit of the doubt. I have to believe that if we do draft Winston, it will be because they are 100% sure he is innocent. I don’t think they’ll take him otherwise.
April 25th, 2015 at 3:20 pm
This all I can find….
The New York Times in April 2014 reported that a victim advocate at Florida State, a month before Kinsman’s accusations became public, learned of a woman who sought counseling after a sexual encounter with Winston. That woman did not accuse Winston of rape, but, as Cappleman told the Times, the advocate said the woman felt violated by the encounter and it “sheds some light on the way Mr. Winston operates.”
Cappleman also told the newspaper that no crime had been committed. The second woman also was mentioned in the civil suit filed by Kinsman on Thursday. According to the suit, a victim advocate at Florida State on Oct. 25, 2013, told Kinsman “a second woman had come forward and reported being sexually assaulted by Winston.”
So a victim’s advocate person at Florida State says there is a 2nd woman. Yet she has not come forward at all. At all. Where is she?
April 25th, 2015 at 3:21 pm
There is far more evidence of you guys lying who are stating as fact Winston raped someone than there is of Winston doing the crime you imagine. And Winston is showing far more signs of maturity than are his (false) accusers here on this board. Imagine that Winston being more mature and a better man than you haters. The irony doesn’t get much better.
April 25th, 2015 at 3:23 pm
Exactly why a victims advocate would even tell Kinsman about another possible victim escapes me. Could it just be more lies by Kinsman? Possibly so. I mean she’s only lied 6 times about that night….
April 25th, 2015 at 3:26 pm
Mariota is a wayyyyy better prospect than Winston, IMGO.
April 25th, 2015 at 3:33 pm
Erik, if we draft Mariota I hope your right. I’m tired of sub par QB play.
April 25th, 2015 at 3:38 pm
With the First Pick in the 2015 Draft the Bucs select the man who spawned such fan comments as…..
“The New York Times in April 2014 reported that a victim advocate at Florida State, a month before Kinsman’s accusations became public, learned of a woman who sought counseling after a sexual encounter with Winston. That woman did not accuse Winston of rape, but, as Cappleman told the Times, the advocate said the woman felt violated by the encounter and it “sheds some light on the way Mr. Winston operates.”
Cappleman also told the newspaper that no crime had been committed. The second woman also was mentioned in the civil suit filed by Kinsman on Thursday. According to the suit, a victim advocate at Florida State on Oct. 25, 2013, told Kinsman “a second woman had come forward and reported being sexually assaulted by Winston.”
So a victim’s advocate person at Florida State says there is a 2nd woman. Yet she has not come forward at all. At all. Where is she?”
Inspiring.
April 25th, 2015 at 3:42 pm
Lovie is gonna read this board and see that half of us want Winston and half of us want Mariota. Then on draft day he’ll go….BAM!!, Leonard Williams on your A$$!! No QB for you!!! God no!!!!
April 25th, 2015 at 3:46 pm
Wait we do tit for tat on the message boards, so please share the assault related comments related to Mariota so we can have balance. Or at least the stealing accusations?
April 25th, 2015 at 3:46 pm
Now you see why I don’t even want to bother with any of this crap anymore.
I’ve talked about in here for over 3 months. There’s really no need to keep talking about it when I don’t give shyte about anything he did off the field.
Not…One….Damn….Thing.
Erik have my jersey ready…current jersey white away jersey mens’s XL. I’ve changed my mind on the creamsicle one.
He’s been investigated by our team, and as far as they are concerned they are “very comfortable” making him the face of this franchise. You and I don’t really matter…
April 25th, 2015 at 3:48 pm
Bucs fans let me ask you.
Winston is drafted this is true
How long will you wait for him to come through
If he doesnt and the Bucs Sink again
How long will you be a Bucs Fan
April 25th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
The bucs organization has far more at stake with this decision than any one of us, so if they decide to draft Winston its because they looked into everything and the guy checked out ok. And if that’s the case then bucs fans need to root for their QB. Cant imagine a person calling themselves a fan of a team and not cheering for the key to that teams success- the QB.
April 25th, 2015 at 3:53 pm
I’ve been a fan for 28 years, not much will change that. There is a stipulation involved though with this draft pick.
If they don’t take either QB and either one of them goes on to shine in the NFL, while our team is still sucking. I won’t stop being a fan, but I’ll stop caring about them as much as I do.
Now if they pass on either of them and we start to turn things around (highly unlikely) I’ll be a happy camper. I just don’t see it happening anytime soon.
April 25th, 2015 at 3:55 pm
Do you really believe everything the Glazers say especially after CITS and the past 10 years….
Glazers- “very comfortable” with JW.
I think they only look out for their family interest and in this case it would be value of the #1 pick.
April 25th, 2015 at 3:55 pm
Andrew 1 Says :
“Cant imagine a person calling themselves a fan of a team and not cheering for the key to that teams success- the QB.”
And you make that proclamation here on JBF, even though you were on these pages in 2013 during the Summer of Freeman.
Ha ha ha Andrew.
April 25th, 2015 at 3:57 pm
MM-ARMY…if Winston is such a horrible person.
What do the Glazers have to gain by making such a statement?
April 25th, 2015 at 4:00 pm
@ Buc1987
Ok… if it helps, you can change the wording from “can’t imagine” to “can’t understand”. You get what I’m saying though.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
lol Andrew …I know.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
The Bucs aren’t checking into whether or not the guy did bad stuff. The Bucs care if we care. If we don’t they don’t. They supposedly already know the things that get eventually leaked to us. They know that many “fans” only want some sort of escape from their weekly existence and don’t care who totes the rock.
They are the fans who … “don’t give shyte about anything he did off the field.
Not…One….Damn….Thing” who want the FSU QB no matter what (Thanks, 87).
If you do care, maybe you should express that. If not, don’t.
87, I assume that you’re done commenting about his many off-field issues since you don’t care.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:07 pm
Just can’t wait for the draft so we can all move on. The ship might be a little lighter lol, but so be it.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:08 pm
Greg Says:
April 25th, 2015 at 3:02 pm
She just filed a civil suit. That makes 2. She was brushed off by FSU and Tallahassee before the second girl which is the one everyone knows about. Both girls were intimidated by Tallahassee police NOT to come forward. The second is the girl that got more publicity and is still fighting. I would rather the Bucs draft her!
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lol, from reading this, I just realized you don’t know that it was Erica Kinsman who accused him and the TPD of intimidating her and she is the same one who filed the civil suit. Its the same person, not a second woman coming forward.
After all your posts in this thread about the topic, you don’t even have a clue as to who is accusing him of what.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:10 pm
I’ve always maintained that I could care less what he did at Burger King or in his apartment. I don’t give a crap about tabloid news. I make comments about his off the field stuff only when others feel compelled to keep mentioning them. Especially when they make stuff up like Greg for instance who does it repeatedly.
Hell Greg lies more than Erica Kinsman….
I’ve also stated numerous times that me being a Noles fan as ZERO to do with me wanting him to picked by our team. ZERO. I don’t care if he’s from Witchita State community college.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:12 pm
JW is far to dedicated as a two sport athlete to be compared to JR in ANY universe. If people want to use weight comparisons that is weak too. I think that what people compare JW to JR it is mostly the people that believe that JW is going to get in trouble and be a No. one overall bust the same way JR was. It is simply not fair to compare the two in any real way.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:15 pm
87
Of course, why would anyone mention any of Winston’s off the field issues?
I recognize that this opens a wellspring to everyone, but that is my point.
With the first pick in the 2015 draft the Bucs pick, the face of the franchise…….
April 25th, 2015 at 4:17 pm
Witchita State Community College…
Home of the world famous Fighting Gazelles.
I think that is where Greg graduated from.
He majored in “Doesn’t have a clue about anything!”
He graduated with honors. BTW.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:18 pm
28 years. That’s twenty eight years of being a Bucs fan. Even when they were at their lowest point, like they are now. All I want is a franchise quarterback after 28 years of never having one. Is that too much to ask? Apparently so to some of these fans on this site.
If they take a swing and miss, Winston turns out to be a bust. I’ll still be a fan, but they have to atleast step up to the plate and swing.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
I don’t care what you haters or racists or undercover racists say, I’m gonna support Winston and I believe the Bucs will support him and surround him with people that want to win.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
So many factors contribute to if a player is a bust. That is why the draft is such a crapshoot. The game is faster, the players are better, the pressure is greater, the environment is different. It is very hard to predict what players will grow into the NFL and what players hit their peek in college. With either Mariota or Winston, I think they both have a good chance because of their work eithic and talent level. I hope neither one of them busts.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:23 pm
Listen, 87. I honestly appreciate how long you’ve, cheered for them (I’ve lived here since 1972 and have been a fan since day 1). That doesn’t mean that Winston is their franchise quarterback. Mariota could be or not. I just don’t think we should overlook the off the field stuff in some sort of rush for our “Saviour” in 2015. 2016, 2017, and so on will come and so will other QB’s and fans.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:24 pm
WantstaStayaBuc…they’ve been mentioning for 3 straight months now. The same crap over and over, by the same fans. The horse has been dead for weeks now. The horse should have been dead, just by looking at all the 30 plus mocks having the Bucs taking Winston. It should’ve been cremated after the Glazers said they are “very comfortable making him the face of the franchise.”
My point is, you and I do NOT have a say in the matter, despite what you type on a blog site. If you read the writing on the wall. Winston IS the pick. So I see no need for these TMZ fans to keep up their rhetoric. The same crap they were spewing 3 months ago. What’s the point with 5 days away? Will it change the pick to something else? NOT…AT….ALL.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:28 pm
I’d also like to point out that I saw Greg making BS comments days ago, and I refrained from countering him. I was waiting for some one else to counter. I was hoping someone would come in here today as well, but nobody came, so I had to step up to the plate, reluctantly.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:32 pm
Hey everyone! Stop sharing your opinion. The Bucs have decided. If you don’t like it, then keep it to yourself. That’s the point of a message board: don’t express yourself unless you know that the powers-that-be agree with you. If you hope to shape public opinion, get a time machine and go back to the point before others disagreed with you.
87, I’m sure that you are a great guy, except the hook-ups that you’ve arranged 🙂 . Nonetheless, we have as much say now as we ever have (you or me). Nothing has changed so why should dissenting voices be quiet?
April 25th, 2015 at 4:33 pm
Jamarcus Russell will look like Tom Brady compared to this lawless goon. TRADE THE PICK!!!!
They will probably be able to grab the dude with the first pick in round two if they are so determined to commit suicide at One Buc Place. Cleveland has two first rounders, get ’em and a high pick next year. Jamarcus Winston’s inevitable implosion will be less damaging if they just wait until later to draft him and pick up some extra picks in the process.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:47 pm
WantstaStayaBuc …when the writing is on the wall…why bother posting the same crap you were posting 3 months ago?
Fine if you’re some new poster, but these are the same ones daily. YES their opinions do NOT matter at this point. I didn’t say anything about stop posting on a message board…I’m saying read the writing on the wall and come to grips with already.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:48 pm
Calling everyone racist that doesn’t agree with you makes you sound racist your self. put that card away, race has nothing to do with who you prefer at QB.Pull that card when its nessasry.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:50 pm
I dont see the Bucs ever making a good or great QB out of Mariota. That kind of dedication and scheming is far above their collective heads, even with the new OC and QB coach.
Winston’s transition to the pros will be much easier for the team to handle. I dont care that hes fat, i dont care that he may take a few gatorades out of the training room, i dont care that he has a dirty mouth, i dont care that he shoots bb guns at his friends, i just dont care about any of this crap.
Ive spent hours and hours and hours researching the rape allegations on my own. I didnt let the New York Times take me by the hand and show me one side of the story. I made my own mind up based of what facts i could find.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:51 pm
Take Anus above me for example. He’s too thick to read the writing on the wall. Thinks Winston can be had in the 2nd round. That’s thick. He’s got a right to his opinion, even though he makes himself look like an anus with it, by mentioning the 2nd round.
Some of these posters are full of nonsense, but hey that’s their opinion and we should respect it. Whatever!
April 25th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
Dont waste your time 87……I dont. A few posts here and there weekly of how I feel and think and thats it. The JW haters will have their say….i skip over most of them as soon as I see it. I know they wont be here when he’s helping us win games, so they dont get to me.
All I know is SS or O line had better be our 2nd pick…..prefer O line.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
@jj…..Im not sure I could agree more.
April 25th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
JJ…That dude Sanders on Buc Nation called the comparison to Russell a racist comment…and he went onto explain why. He’s also a Mariota lover btw.
I’m not one to pull the race card at all. I think I might have done it 3 years ago during the Freeman debates, but only because of what was being said, was in fact racist.
There have been fried chicken and watermelon references made on this site, but I suppose that’s NOT racist at all.
April 25th, 2015 at 5:00 pm
Eh Max….some days I do….some days I don’t. I can go hours nowadays just reading comments without chiming in. People would be surprised at how much I hold back. Yet people expect me to be here running my mouth…
April 25th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
Yes Max..but I’ve been saying O-line for 2nd 3rd and 4th…lol
Perhaps if they find a quality DE or SS in the 3rd…I’ll be okay with it.
April 25th, 2015 at 5:06 pm
Greg
I feel sorry for you bro. The energy it must consume to be so filled with hate for a person that you can never look in the eye to confront. Not to mention, you are extremely dedicated to making sure we all know the “truth” in the matter.
Its too bad that women around the world who were actually sexually assaulted or raped dont have a bulldog like you in thier corner. What wasted efforts it is to keep this up when school, law enforcement, and state officials heave all looked into it and couldnt find enough evidence to go further with charges. Sad, sad, sad.
And for all you ass jacks that keep saying that Winston supporters are low on morals…. go F yourself. I wouldnt normally say anything but i would wager my past is much cleaner than most of yours. I stand for law and order and love of God, family and country. I would gladly take the life of anybody that would hurt my wife or my kids. You guys (and tou know who you are) are impossible to try and communicate with. There is a level of immaturity here that i havent seen since jr high. Congrats, all of you idiots have divided the fan base much more efficiently that a player ever could on his own.
April 25th, 2015 at 5:07 pm
Good evening 87.
April 25th, 2015 at 5:10 pm
@ Buc1987
Its not only him either. Was watching sports center last night and I was at the part of the show were one of the anchors got to address an issue at length as kind of a little segment. Anyways he decided to talk about how ridiculous it was that people were comparing Winston to Russell, even mentioning how people were going so far as to say that they smiled they same way. His closing argument was that there was one other similarity between the two that could be the driving force behind the hateful comparisons, and he left it up to the viewer to decide what it was. Needless to say with their pictures being shown side by side, its safe to say he was inferring race. Wasn’t expecting that at all, but I can’t say that I disagree with him.
April 25th, 2015 at 5:33 pm
Sick of the debate…phew that was a much needed torching.
April 25th, 2015 at 5:47 pm
Sick of…<
I don't know you. You may be a wonderful human being. With you love of God, country and family, I bet I'd be proud to have you as a neighbor if I knew you. However, when people say that they don't care what Winston has done off the field, whatever that is, that is the very definition of low morals. It is a low standard for acceptable behavior.
Merriam Webster
Moral (adjective)-
"concerning or relating to what is right and wrong in human behavior"
April 25th, 2015 at 6:00 pm
I care about watching the football players, play football…
I do NOT care about tabloid news….
I also do not care what celebrity did what to another celebrity…
or How many times Justin Bieber crashed his cars…
Sorry I just don’t care what a person does in their private life. It’s actually NONE of my business.
I’ll save that stuff for a bunch of hens sitting around the hen house. Chirp chirp chirp…and then he did this and then he did that…chirp chirp chirp.
That’s where my morals are at.
April 25th, 2015 at 6:08 pm
Winston should be RADIOACTIVE but considering the NFL is a thug league that is less about football than about money it is cool with Jamarcus Winston as it’s latest poster child. Hell, Aaron Hernandez won’t make the cover of the latest version of Madden but the crab-leg stealing rapist has a shot. Best to cash in now before he implodes. The ongoing lobbying that has made it inevitable that the Bucs are going to squander the first pick in the draft – that can be traded – shows how low that the morality of fans and the league has declined. At least in the days of Tony Dungy character actually mattered in TB.
April 25th, 2015 at 6:10 pm
While others are gawking at car accidents and ambulances at their neighbors house. I just look the other way. It’s all part of my I could care less way of thinking. It’s none of my business. That’s just how I am. I respect people’s private lives. I guess I’m morally bankrupt.
April 25th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
@Anus…do you want some cheese to go with your whine?
In the end he will be our QB in 5 days….and there’s nothing you can do about, except whine some more.
Carry on with your whining….
5 days.
April 25th, 2015 at 6:22 pm
Cynical but perhaps this is exactly what the Glazer progeny wants, nothing could grease the rails to Los Angeles quicker than alienating half of the fan base by drafting the rapist.
April 25th, 2015 at 6:27 pm
One question that goes unasked is WHO was the last successful NFL QB from either Free Shoes University or Oregon? For the Ducks you would have to go back to Dan Fouts and for FSU it would be Brad Johnson.
TRADE THE PICK!!
April 25th, 2015 at 6:27 pm
[…] think it’s rude,” he said during an appearance on ESPN Radio, via JoeBucsFan.com. “I think it’s completely off base to call him JaMarcus Russell. I just don’t see […]
April 25th, 2015 at 6:35 pm
and what if at the first sign of adversity the dude just packs it up and plays baseball?
April 25th, 2015 at 6:49 pm
Uranus,
You want to play the “What if” game?
I love that game.
“What if” a gigantic meteor plows into your house?
“What if” you had actually been popular in High School?
“What if” Bo Jackson didn’t think that Culverhouse was a racist?
“What if” your mother had breast fed you instead of throwing you table scraps?
I could play this game all day long.
April 25th, 2015 at 6:53 pm
Rape is a heinous, hideous act. No potential NFL draftee should be drafted if convicted of such. However we live in the 21st century where a man is considered innocent unless proven guilty. Gone are the days (I would hope) where a group of men take the law into their own hands and forcibly take this man upon their own and do what they will with him. Be it physically or through character defimation . Was anyone at that party in question? If not why do you choose to presume guilt. Again rape is outrageous, unacceptable. Taking matters into your own hands and presuming guilt is also unacceptable. I have no affiliation to FSU or the Gators. I believe all men are created equal… No matter their religion, race, or the color of their skin. So if any of you are having difficulty selecting Winston due to college affiliation or “difficulties” accepting skin colors other than your own I urge you to be a Bucs fan first and choose the man best ready to help our team and invite you to soul search possible other issues you may have on your own time…..just saying.
April 25th, 2015 at 6:57 pm
P’cola,
Well said.
Standing ovation.
April 25th, 2015 at 7:06 pm
God I hate the time I waste reading Barry’s post… I wish i could just delete him and enjoy those extra few seconds of life..
April 25th, 2015 at 7:07 pm
Seated for P’cola,
Nope. Rape is not his guy’s only issue. Nice that you are a believer in equality but that doesn’t mean that all men behave equally.
April 25th, 2015 at 7:16 pm
Wantsta,
I hope you enjoy rooting for what ever team you deem fit that meet’s your moral standards.
I’d be willing to bet if you researched the roster of every team, you might find someone that did not meet your requirements of “perfect.”
It must suck to be so flawless.
April 25th, 2015 at 7:26 pm
Dave Pear…he doesn’t care about rooting for a team. He cares more about what the players do with their private lives….it bothers him to no end. He can’t just sit there and watch the game….I mean come on man. You should know better than that,
April 25th, 2015 at 7:27 pm
David,
Sometimes it is difficult to find a group of people you can feel good about rooting for. Thanks for your concern. However when trying to find a team that doesn’t draft a morally challenged guy as their face of the franchise (aka #1) it usually isn’t that difficult. I’ll let you know in a few days how my search is going.
Wantsta
April 25th, 2015 at 7:27 pm
todd mcshay said the comparison is no comparison and is hogwash!
April 25th, 2015 at 7:37 pm
@ wansta
Why such deep seated hatred for Winston? Hatred just doesn’t surface so strongly without actually knowing the man in person. If you don’t know Winston and/or were there for the events in question why do you assume the worst? Why do you always take the “anti” Winston side. I am truly sorry for any hurt you may have endured in the past which I can see written within the passion of the words you write. Or perhaps it’s simply a college affiliation or acceptance of a man from a different culture other than your own.
April 25th, 2015 at 8:02 pm
87,
You’re right.
Trying to talk to people like him is like trying to shovel water.
April 25th, 2015 at 8:05 pm
It isnt really funny anymore, just sad and pathetic, to see grown men just bald-face lie, day in-and- out, about a 20 year-old on here, to what, hurt his draft stock? Good try though. Barry and port have some real faculty issues, and thats not opinion. Obsessive compulsion with a splash of passive aggressiveness. Thats when you see someone debunk their ridiculous nonsense on-field, only to have them respond with “well, i dont want a rapist” well, you arent gonna be a bucs fan then..hahahaha!!! And yes, id let my daughter date jameis before any of you unstable folks that try to lie to get their way. Thats the true red flag. Jameis is exposing people for what they truly are. Ill add to the other gentlemans ‘get a grip’ msg..get a life and/or hobby..i suggest volunteering your time to something other than perpetuating myths that all have already been exposed as lies. That speaks volumes of your character. Anyone trying to believe her, still, is equivalent to jameis having positive rape kit and me denying those results..its 0.00% chance a rape occurred and willie meggs statements, that everybody repeats, to protect racist constituents were as transparent as they come. It was cya-day in the klan rally.
April 25th, 2015 at 8:10 pm
P’cola, its plain jealousy. Dont waste your time on people who know a truth and still try to lie and manipulate others, who are lesser informed, into believing a lie. Thats a red flag, sir! 🙂
April 25th, 2015 at 8:15 pm
[…] think it’s rude,” he said during an appearance on ESPN Radio, via JoeBucsFan.com. “I think it’s completely off base to call him JaMarcus Russell. I just don’t see the […]
April 25th, 2015 at 8:19 pm
Maybe Greg got so embarrassed that he had so many facts wrong he went to go read up on the topics he post about. One can only hope.
@’87 I didn’t jump in because his post were so full of crap. I figured anyone who has looked into the subjects wouldn’t take him seriously and the others that agreed don’t care about the truth.
April 25th, 2015 at 8:31 pm
…..119 and a half hours to the draft boys!
April 25th, 2015 at 9:48 pm
If they draft winston I’m all in. If they draft Mariota I’m all in. If they draft Mary Poppins I’m all in! GO BUCS!!!!
April 25th, 2015 at 9:58 pm
What position does Mary Poppins play?
April 25th, 2015 at 10:26 pm
Once again, but for the last time on the JoeBucs website, I’ll make the case for trading the number one pick:
1. The number one pick is worth another, later first round pick plus 2-3 established players.
2. With the number one pick, one of two things can happen; either Jameis becomes the next Peyton Manning or, he becomes a middle of the road to bottom of the pack – quality QB. The odds of him becoming another Manning are long.
3. So, what do the Bucs do – they absolutely have to make sure this pick works out or the team will be right back picking number one next year – after another 2-14 season.
4. What they should do is make sure this pick has lasting value. That means considering trading down to a lower round one pick and getting at least 2 other quality players in the deal. If they can get a later round one pick plus two other quality players I say take it. Take a QB (Mariotta or Bryce Petty) plus pickup two really good o-linemen. If that deal is not on the table, take Jameis.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:37 pm
Dave, Poppins can be our new punter!! Lol
April 25th, 2015 at 10:41 pm
@Barry there’s a pic of her a day after or so after the incident. I saw no bruises
April 25th, 2015 at 11:07 pm
P’Cola,
I’ll take you at your word that you really want to understand why I don’t want him here.
It’s not that I hate him. I don’t know him.
It is undebateable that he took something that was not his. He was caught and he lied about it to preserve his eligability. Anyone that saw the video could see that he was not telling the truth. He didn’t have to care, he was above accountability. Worse, he somehow convinced a multitude that 21 year olds weren’t accountable for their actions: they’re just mindless morons. I had to listen to normally decent people say that 20-21 year olds don’t understand the difference between right and wrong (Joe tried to equate a nine year old girl’s decision making skills with Winston’s on 620 wdae). Now, its not youthful ignorance instead, it’s some poor Publix worker’s fault. Even if you somehow feel that this duplicity is for noble reasons, he undoes it by throwing a ham and egger under the bus.
He even lied to FSU Admins when the asked about FHRITP. That’s why he was suspended for the second half of the Clemson game. He lied to protect himself.
As I said earlier, Derrick Brooks, my favorite Buc, admitted what he did, blamed no one but himself and said it would never happen again. Look back at how he handled his poor decisions and compare it to Winston’s behavior.
Unlike Brooks, Winston seems to feel that he is accountable to no one. It’s a pattern with Winston. (I know that Brooks has been suggested as a mentor. I want a QB that doesn’t require a life coach to know right from wrong.)
This sort of conversation shouldn’t have to happen with someone that a community embraces as a representative. Winston is not a good guy; a 21 year old who conducts himself this way has missed out on lessons we try to teach our kids in their single digits.
When his supporters try to justify this man’s (he is a man) behavior by saying that they did worse, they do not elevate him, they lessen themselves.
Notice , I have not even mentioned his relationship with women. I know nothing of that.
I am not perfect. No one is. However, this is not the person with a character that you trust to represent a team and a community.
April 26th, 2015 at 3:01 am
[…] think it’s rude,” he said during an appearance on ESPN Radio, via JoeBucsFan.com. “I think it’s completely off base to call him JaMarcus Russell. I just don’t see the […]
April 26th, 2015 at 5:51 am
Thanks Uranus!!!!!!!!!
I didnt know Brad Johnson, THE QB, who led us into a SB win was also from Fl. State. The planets and stars are aligning again….and so it shall be again, another SB Championship with Fl. St. alumni Jameis Winston…..coming soon to your favorite watering hole or living room!! (in glorious 4K UTV in my case).
April 26th, 2015 at 8:22 am
Yeah folks, Tampa Bay wants the next Michael Vick ASAP…Watch!
April 26th, 2015 at 9:15 am
Ugh.
Was very excited about Winston. But if Mark Dominick is speaking highly of him . . .
Barry, is there something you want to tell us? You seem so overly sensitive, to a man proven innocent- and who has no criminal record.
You didn’t send time in jail, did you Barry? Did someone touch you inappropriately ? Did they touch you repeatedly, and call you “baby”?
Or did you get far to drunk at an FSU keg party?
You just seem a little overly sore
April 26th, 2015 at 9:40 am
Capt. Tim..it’s okay Barry probably has a medical issue we don’t know about.
Meds can sometimes do crazy things…
April 26th, 2015 at 9:58 am
I rest my case…this is NOT football!!! Call it what you want…
Jameis = Distraction
April 26th, 2015 at 10:00 am
I would love to wear my Buc hat with some pride…not with THAT kind of red crlet flag with Shame!!!
April 26th, 2015 at 10:08 am
Pat…do you look good in a Dolphins hat?
Freeman’s there now. Perhaps you can wear a Fins hat with pride.
April 26th, 2015 at 10:12 am
I really don’t care if anyone (including Infamous) feels “offended” by “rudeness” when we discuss this future flop. Since WHEN does ANYONE in football circles care about someone being rude?? It’s freakin FOOTBALL JBF!!! Joe, if you wanna talk “rude”, do you consider yourself rude to Kinsman? …or to women in general? It’s just soooo ridiculous to howl about a GM saying rude things (which actually have a reasonable basis in fact), when you simply ignore the things this jerk has done.
April 26th, 2015 at 11:40 am
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April 26th, 2015 at 1:23 pm
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April 26th, 2015 at 1:25 pm
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April 26th, 2015 at 2:13 pm
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April 27th, 2015 at 9:38 am
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