ESPN Timing Confirms Marcus Mariota’s Dead-Fish Personality
April 7th, 2015
Whaddya know, the famous Gruden QB Camp makes its 2015 debut on ESPN2 tonight at 7 p.m.
Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota is the opening episode, which lets you know just how uninteresting the session will be.
ESPN is all about making money and scoring ratings. So Joe finds it telling that big-name Mariota is the guy coming out of the gate — out of primetime viewing hours, when much of the country is still buzzing about opening day of the baseball season and the NCAA basketball finals last night.
In short, ESPN buried Mariota here. Brett Hundley’s time with Chucky airs at 7:30 p.m., followed by Baylor QB Bryce Petty at 8 p.m.
Jameis Winston’s episode has yet to be scheduled.
The good folks at Hawaii’s big newspaper, the Star Advertiser, got a peek at the Mariota episode and claim a different side of Mariota will be displayed. “It is a smiling, laughing and, at times, wise-cracking Mariota, attired in a Nike “Hawaii” T-shirt and slippers.”
They also point out Chucky appears to get irritated because he can’t get under Mariota’s skin.
TV schedules don’t win football games. Joe gets that. But for fans who ache to see the Bucs be chosen by TV networks for night games, it’s worth nothing that ESPN already has rejected Mariota.
April 7th, 2015 at 10:39 am
I am sure you all noticed notice how much more relaxed Mariota was at the combine when Winston was present it was so obvious. Winston brings out the best in people and makes them better wait until he actually gives the bucs offense a personality. Order up those Winston jerseys and hang on… Mariota is going to drop like a rock all the way to chip.
April 7th, 2015 at 10:40 am
I prefer JW, but I don’t like how the media is painting MM
April 7th, 2015 at 10:48 am
Between the lack of personality and the fact that it’ll take at least a year to get him up to speed, I think the folks that are looking for the Bucs to have more coverage should hope that we stay far, far away from Mariota. On the flip side, judging by last year’s minute to minute updates of the Browns’ training camp once Manziel got there, Winston would bring instant interest. Winning would certainly help to keep the momentum going.
April 7th, 2015 at 10:50 am
cspann – same here. So the guy isn’t Warren Sapp or Keyshawn personality wise. So what? I have never wanted him on the Bucs but I also think he is a fine young man and I PREFER his demeanor to many ego maniac mouths we see all the time, *cough* Johnny Football *cough*
April 7th, 2015 at 10:53 am
It will be impossible for Mariota to hide that highly introverted personality of his for the entire program. Don’t get me wrong, some of the nicest people have the exact same personality but most are not about to lead a NFL franchise. I am also interested to see if Mariota ever takes charge of the discussion making his own feelings known without being coaxed. Furthermore, will he seemingly say “uhhuh” “”uhhuh” to whatever Gruden tells him. Will he have an opinion of the “X’s” and “O’s” if presented by Gruden or again go “uhhuh”.?
April 7th, 2015 at 10:54 am
Can we drop the “Johnny Football” moniker now? He’s clearly not that great at football at the NFL level. I’m pretty sure we can find a lot more Johnnys that are more deserving of the tag than Manziel. When he doesn’t have Mike Evans to throw to, he’s really just another guy. Kinda makes me wonder if I could be QB for the Bucs, since I’d have Evans to throw to. Pretty sure I could run around in the backfield for a while and then toss the ball up into a crowd of people and hope my receiver bails me out.
April 7th, 2015 at 10:58 am
Patrick in VA Says:
April 7th, 2015 at 10:54 am
Can we drop the “Johnny Football” moniker now? He’s clearly not that great at football at the NFL level. I’m pretty sure we can find a lot more Johnnys that are more deserving of the tag than Manziel. When he doesn’t have Mike Evans to throw to, he’s really just another guy. Kinda makes me wonder if I could be QB for the Bucs, since I’d have Evans to throw to. Pretty sure I could run around in the backfield for a while and then toss the ball up into a crowd of people and hope my receiver bails me out.
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Yeah, but can you pull like he did is the key question. Since we all know that’s the key to great QB play, the ability to pull….
April 7th, 2015 at 11:03 am
“Yeah, but can you pull like he did is the key question. Since we all know that’s the key to great QB play, the ability to pull….”
Exactly. Main reason why Jameis is the favorite. He pulls when ever he wants.
April 7th, 2015 at 11:04 am
I don’t disagree with Winston’s personality & skill advantage on Mariota……but I know Television and ratings very well and the last thing you do is lead with your weak episodes……you stand a chance of running off new audiences and losing core audiences……..and to declare a segment boring without seeing it is a stretch.
I haven’t checked the actual ratings for the show….but the prime access time of 7pm may acutally be better than an 8pm slot that competes with stiffer competition from all networks.
I’m sure the ESPN audience would prefer this program to Wheel Of Fortune….
April 7th, 2015 at 11:04 am
That’s a good point. Although, I’ve never really heard of a QB, even at the high school level, that struggled to get the girl. So, once again, Manziel really isn’t getting anywhere based on his own merit so much as on the circumstances he’s found himself in. I feel like if I were to become the QB of the Bucs that magically my ability to “pull” will increase significantly.
April 7th, 2015 at 11:09 am
@TBBF – I think you’re underestimating just how much the American public has taken all things related to the NFL in as part of their lives. Maybe The Voice or The Walking Dead need to worry about what episodes they lead with and what time it’s on but the NFL, and ESPN, know that they could put live coverage of a bathroom door up and as long as they say that there’s an NFL player inside, people would rather watch that than anything else on TV.
April 7th, 2015 at 11:19 am
Keep piling on the Mariota hate, Joe! Your record with QBs over the last few years sucks so badly, that I’d be afraid if you changed your tune now!
After all, you were the one who tried to convince us all that Johnny Rehab was “The franchise quarterback of our dreams” (and that we were all “haters” if we didn’t want him on the team).
You were also the one who said that Josh McCown could be the second coming of Rich Gannon, that he should be the Bucs starter and Mike Glennon should be traded. Grossly incorrect. The reality is Joe begged for the Bucs to draft a QB last year (Johnny or Teddy) and let McCown do what he does well, be a backup. See your claim above. –Joe
Joe…buddy…assessing QBs is like your kryptonite! As long as you keep vocally being AGAINST certain QB’s…I’ll keep rooting for them because I know they will perform! Welcome to Tampa Marcus!
April 7th, 2015 at 11:19 am
No need to slur Marcus Mariota.
Great kid and a fabulous college player.
He’s not trying to be the host of the Price is Right after all.
April 7th, 2015 at 11:22 am
@Jeagan – He called Freeman being a dud. And, I don’t recall him saying that McCown would be a Rich Gannon so much as he reported on people referencing Gannon when they talked about the kind of resurrection they wanted him to have. Don’t think you can pin that on Joe. That said, they deserve all the credit in the world for banging the drum so hard for Manziel.
April 7th, 2015 at 11:28 am
@ Patrick
I’m quite aware after a 35 year career in TV
April 7th, 2015 at 11:28 am
More conclusions from thin air……how about watching the episode then writing about it…instead of just making s**t up JBF??? Are you sure you dont work for Rolling Stone mag?? They just learned this lesson this week.
It just seems like yesterday when JBF was wrong about this other QB Johnny something….how is he doing anyway?
MM ARMY
Defending the Bay from over-hyped QBs
You might want to actually read what Joe wrote here. –Joe
April 7th, 2015 at 11:28 am
The media would much rather cover a loosing QB that generates headlines than a winning QB that gives boring press conferences. This is because it makes their job easier. In fact, let me let you in on a little secret..the local media in Tampa really could care less about the Bucs because most of them are closet fans of other teams. They also do not want to rock the boat with the Glazers because they fear loosing their nice little cushy jobs in sunny Florida. Keep this in mind the next time one of these media hacks give their opinion.
Joe has worked in mainstream media, last at The Tampa Tribune, and Joe can say comfortably that the media would much rather cover a winning team. There is nothing easier. So, you’re incorrect.–Joe
April 7th, 2015 at 11:30 am
bucs are on their way to see him now i believe.
solid guy, i like him. would rather him than JW in the long run, but it would mean glennon would start.
either way I think glennon has a good a shot as a rook in JW. so i would moreso support MM….but still want to trade back and build the trenches.
April 7th, 2015 at 11:35 am
Joe you are getting a little ridiculous. You are quick to bash Mariota. It’s actually funny how childish you gotten your post. We all know you love winston. Where are the BUCS staff today? Don’t they read your post clearly not or they would know they are just waisting there time today
April 7th, 2015 at 11:35 am
@TBBF – I certainly don’t have the years in the business that you do. I’m just going off of everything that we’ve seen from the league over the last 5 or so years. While the sort of posturing that you’re speaking about is a great rule of thumb for every other thing that is out there, I was merely saying that I don’t think that the NFL plays by the same rules and, as such, doesn’t have to concern itself with losing its audience or running off potential new viewers by plugging the QB camp in to the wrong spot. It was not my intention to try to discredit or question your understanding of the industry
April 7th, 2015 at 11:37 am
Sir, it’s clear as a bell what’s here. If you don’t like opinion, then don’t read an opinion-driven website. –Joe
April 7th, 2015 at 11:40 am
I tweeted this at Joe(s): @Jaboowins Gruden QB Camp debut Friday ESPN2 11:30PM EST
Just FYI.
April 7th, 2015 at 11:40 am
You guys are ridiculous with how much you look in to what these visits mean. Just because they’re going out to visit with Mariota that doesn’t mean that they’re actually considering him as a viable option.
Is it not possible that they could be visiting so they can keep teams guessing about what they’re going to do with that #1 pick and bring in better trade offers? Is it not possible that they simply want to talk to Mariota about what his perspective of what he saw on the field when he played against Winston this year and what the Oregon defensive players were saying about Winston when they were getting the better of the team during the playoff game?
This visit doesn’t mean anything more than it is a fact finding mission. We don’t know what facts they’re looking for but these conclusions you all are jumping to are silly.
April 7th, 2015 at 11:40 am
Cspann
Its funny how the media will find one or two character flaws (and in Mariots’ s case, I dont see how being quiet and humble are flaws) and completely try to tear a person down.
Thus, this is the perspective needed to showcase how the media tried to sink Winston’ character. They were beating people over the head about what a terrible person he was for months and at the same praising Mariota for being a nice quiet humble young man who never gets in trouble. Lol. Boy, have the tables turned. Now, Mariota is a goat and the terrible Winston is a super star
and could turn out to be the savior of a franchise. Its all quite laughable. And further evidence as to try to only scout a player by what he brings to game day. Its nonsense to worry about how a player will act off the field. Owners, coaches, teammates, and fans have no control over it.
April 7th, 2015 at 11:42 am
Good thing ESPN doesn’t make many picks. Interesting as is football, as in the head to head game in which the Oregon Ducks made the Seminoles look particularly high schoolish, especially that QB that did the ballet twirl fumble….what was his name????
April 7th, 2015 at 11:47 am
it also says on espn that Mariota is a “can’t miss” prospect….Winston? not so much…many ways to miss > character trouble, interception factory and the love of cheeseburgers….
April 7th, 2015 at 11:48 am
How could he be a “can’t miss” if nobody knows if his game will even transition to the pro style of play? that’s a pretty big opportunity to miss
April 7th, 2015 at 11:53 am
Ufour2
The name was Winston. You may want to remember that because when we start winning with him. You will want a jersey.
Hey guys, this team is getting really close to drafting Winston. Best to get used to it now.
April 7th, 2015 at 11:53 am
This piece is ridiculous JBF….seriously. Next thing will be “and his girlfriend is ugly”. You don’t like the guy…..you’re blindly smitten with Winston…..WE GET THAT. But this “hit” piece is baaaaad. JBF sinks a notch in journalistic standards.
OK, so Joe writes about the NFLPA report that Mariota is more marketable than Winston (https://www.joebucsfan.com/2015/02/nflpa-mariota-beats-jameis-in-marketability/) but Joe is somehow out of line writing about how the major sports outlet in America seems to think otherwise.–Joe
April 7th, 2015 at 11:53 am
Patrick in VA Says:
April 7th, 2015 at 11:40 am
“You guys are ridiculous with how much you look in to what these visits mean. Just because they’re going out to visit with Mariota that doesn’t mean that they’re actually considering him as a viable option. ”
Dude they take any crumb or nugget they can get at this point….
April 7th, 2015 at 11:55 am
Newsflash : Mariota doesn’t matter anymore.
April 7th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
“Joe has worked in mainstream media, last at The Tampa Tribune, and Joe can say comfortably that the media would much rather cover a winning team. There is nothing easier. So, you’re incorrect.–Joe”
But this contradicts your insinuation that the media will not put a Mariota Bucs team on night games because he is boring. Does that mean they will put a Winston Bucs team on night games if they are losing?
It doesn’t contradict anything. TV Network executives decide what games they air when it comes to night games. Joe’s point here is that one of those networks has made the call not to put Mariota on in primetime for the opening runs of its popular feature. That doesn’t bode well for the team that drafts him, and their hopes for Monday Night Football games.–Joe
April 7th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
Ahhhh…I didn’t realize until now that 87SizeXLCream guy is actually Jason Licht
April 7th, 2015 at 12:05 pm
Not sure why were still talking about Mariota. Jameis is already the pic.
April 7th, 2015 at 12:07 pm
If Bucs don’t draft Winston, it won’t be because of Joe’s lack of time, resources, and effort. I haven’t seen anybody work this hard since
#FSU #FSUCampusPolice
#LeonCountyPolice #Cover-up #Rape #Crimes #JameisWinston #NationalChampionship
April 7th, 2015 at 12:10 pm
TheDon…because we still have some fans out there that refuse to believe it, or are just to slow to realize it.
With names like Mariota Army and such. Hilarious I know, but what can you do, but sit back read em and laugh AT them.
April 7th, 2015 at 12:10 pm
There saving the best for last. Marcus Mariota welcome to Tampa
April 7th, 2015 at 12:11 pm
@Supersam – Maybe circle back and read it again. I think you missed a key element to the story
April 7th, 2015 at 12:11 pm
Sam …they are meeting with Winston again tomorrow. So what’s that mean to your pea brain?
April 7th, 2015 at 12:17 pm
It doesn’t contradict anything. TV Network executives decide what games they air when it comes to night games. Joe’s point here is that one of those networks has made the call not to put Mariota on in primetime for the opening runs of its popular feature. That doesn’t bode well for the team that drafts him, and their hopes for Monday Night Football games.–Joe
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No offense Joe, but this utterly idiotic. Congrats, the team that drafts Mariota might get one less primetime game next year than the Bucs if they draft Winston. And if the Bucs are 4-12 again this year, and Mariota leads his team to the playoffs, Mariota won’t be on primetime because he’s boring?
Conversely, what if the Eagles draft Mariota? That’s probably 5 primetime games at least next year. The Bucs will get the token Thursday nighter and that’s it. So it’s just a bizarre, nonsensical take. Is the point of the NFL to be on primetime TV? The Cowboys have been the kings of primetime TV the last decade. It’s gotten them…nowhere.
Look, Joe doesn’t care about primetime or Monday Night games, though a relaxing Sunday afternoon with a 1/4 keg and the couch sounds fantastic. But lots of fans obsess about night games. And Joe knows the power players at One Buc Palace want those coveted primetime slots. –Joe
April 7th, 2015 at 12:21 pm
Well Mariota the reigning heisman trophy winner and just played in the national championship game so it kinda makes sense that they would open the series with Mariota.
April 7th, 2015 at 12:29 pm
He starts right before Hundley during the middle of the week. I’m taping it but if it conflicted with Hell’s Kitchen then there would be a problem. That’s how low Mariota ranks. It will be interesting to see how he does though it is only curiosity because I want to see what the Jets or Titans pick up at QB.
April 7th, 2015 at 12:34 pm
JBF, your reply above is blatantly disingenuous. Here’s YOUR closing line below to the article for the link you provided….and it was another “hit” piece on your part. JUST SAY IT…….you lack balance, fairness, and journalistic standards when discussing your blind love for a VERY questionable character, and to a certain extent, debatably the second best QB available in the draft.
“Regardless, Joe maintains that if Team Glazer was concerned about selling tickets and gear, then Tim Tebow would have been brought in years ago to compete for a backup QB job.”
Work on your reading skills. Selling tickets is not connected to the team’s interest in national television exposure. And don’t make stuff up, Joe has no blind love for Winston. Joe’s desire for him to the Bucs’ No. 1 pick is because he’s the best QB available, based on film. Don’t blame Joe the Bucs put themselves in a 2-14 position.–Joe
April 7th, 2015 at 12:44 pm
Lovie and company are probably meeting Winston the very next day to unofficial reassure him that today’s meeting with Mariota meant nothing.
April 7th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
How great a college QB was Tibow….however…hasn’t translated to the NFL. Transitioning to the NFL is what the coaches and GMs are looking for.
April 7th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
@ Patrick
I am looking at this in a general way……Networks simply don’t lead anything with their weaker episodes……including ESPN….
I totally reject the premise that Mariota is being burried at 7pm and they are “featuring” Bryce Petty in “Prime Time”…..
There is extreme interest in Mariota & Winston…….not Petty.
How many articles has Joe written on Petty?
April 7th, 2015 at 12:57 pm
I guess Andrew Luck is boring also…because in 2012 ESPN aired him in their premiere at 7pm……I haven’t checked other seasons but I suspect they put one of their most attention-grabbing episodes first like other TV networks….
Mariota may have a boring personality but the NFL & Sports public is very interested in learning more about him….thus he LEADS off the series this year.
Entitled to your opinion, but going back to 2012. Yes, there was much more interest in RGIII, which is why he got a better time slot. –Joe
April 7th, 2015 at 12:59 pm
Look, Joe doesn’t care about primetime or Monday Night games, though a relaxing Sunday afternoon with a 1/4 keg and the couch sounds fantastic. But lots of fans obsess about night games. And Joe knows the power players at One Buc Palace want those coveted primetime slots. –Joe
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The obsession (and I really doubt there’s that but whatever) I suspect is more tied in with the fact that more primetime games would mean the team is earning them by being great. The Bucs aren’t a major market and don’t have a big national fanbase like say the Packers or Steelers.
Even when the Bucs were great, they only got 2-3 primetime games a year. Bucs just aren’t a nationally relevant team or a big draw. Why did the Redskins get like 4 primetime games last year coming off a 3-13 year? Because they’re nationally relevant. Why do the Cowboys get 5-7 every year regardless of record? National TV optics are why the Bucs don’t get more primetime games. Even drafting Jameis will not get them more primetime games. In fact it doesn’t matter who they draft, it won’t get them more primetime games.
April 7th, 2015 at 1:04 pm
So its dead fish vs crab legs. Lmao gtfoh
April 7th, 2015 at 1:05 pm
I guess Manziel falls into the “boring” category because they “burried” him at 7pm last year…..
April 7th, 2015 at 1:11 pm
I love the reaching act of this. “They put him first because they don’t want people to see it.” Or it could be that they put him first because they want people tuned in as they go through the other QBs.
April 7th, 2015 at 1:13 pm
Sorry, Joe doesn’t do link parades in the comments section. Not a message board here. That’s why you don’t see all kinds of links. Thanks. –Joe
April 7th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
Joe deleting my post just makes you look weak as if no one can have a viewpoint other than yours. Joe only deletes comments that misrepresent Joe and/or represent malicious attacks against JoeBucsFan.com, which is Joe’s business. Joe doesn’t attack your business or credibility.–Joe
I pointed it out that you were stating your opinion as fact. There was a guy named Hitler who thought the same way you do. So every newspaper columnist in America writing opinion is a Hitler type. That’s fun. –Joe
ESPN loves MM. Prove me wrong. Show me anything stating ESPN doesn’t like him
April 7th, 2015 at 1:17 pm
Sorry Joe but your entire viewpoint on this article is just wrong. Reaching much?
We all know you want JW over MM. Most of the fans have accepted the pick will most likely be JW. But now you’re saying ESPN doesn’t like MM b/c he’s the first episode of Gruden QB camp? Give me a break man.
April 7th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
This from the Bucs site:
“Mariota is special in a lot of ways,” Gruden said to ESPN Front Row. “He’s a dynamic dual-threat on the field and he is humble – no-nonsense, full of character off the field – 4.52 is what he ran [at the Combine]. He competes like crazy. I just think he has a lot of ‘can’t miss’ qualities.”
April 7th, 2015 at 1:24 pm
Great article about mariota with play breakdowns n gifs showin off his eyes downfield to his sense of pressure n footwork. Quick release accuracy on his short to intermediate throws blitz recognition pressure from inside outside pressure its all in there.
April 7th, 2015 at 1:27 pm
Thanks for that Skyline. Now I can copy and paste it on the Titans or Jets blog.
A place where it more than belongs.
You guys keep giving us such great info about Mariota. Although I have no idea why anymore. It’s April, not January or February where everyone is still wondering…
Perhaps you’re doing it for the hopefuls. Good for you man. You should try and go to those other sites and ask the fans in there if they think they have a shot at Winston. I bet you get laughed out of the blog, because the majority of the country knows the Bucs are taking Winston. Some of you just want to hear it, to confirm it. To each his own I guess.
April 7th, 2015 at 1:29 pm
Haha. Man, these MM fans that bash Winston incessantly sure get their panties in an uproar when Joe dares say a negative thing about their boy toy.
April 7th, 2015 at 1:29 pm
87′
If you don’t like it don’t click and open a Mariota thread. Simple as that, right?
April 7th, 2015 at 1:29 pm
delson…that’s fantastic news…..if you’re a Titans or Jets fan.
April 7th, 2015 at 1:33 pm
Perhaps I’ll start posting stuff about Bryce Petty and all the great things he can do. Just so Buc fans can have some more knowledge about a guy that’s not going to be a Buc.
Maybe I’ll save my Hundley research for next week. 🙂
April 7th, 2015 at 1:38 pm
Jiminy Christmas, you guys sounds like a bunch of old ninnies with your panties in a bunch… I don’t even know what quarterback I like cuz I love all these guys. They’re great!
April 7th, 2015 at 1:38 pm
“Petty ran a spread offense at Baylor and there are questions about him transitioning to a pro-style attack, but Gruden doesn’t seem to share those concerns. He says Petty has been “stereotyped in the Baylor offense, but he’s different.”
April 7th, 2015 at 1:38 pm
If Joe posts a Hundley thread then I don’t see why not.
April 7th, 2015 at 1:42 pm
Maybe this creamsicle guy can turn back the space time continuum !!!
I tell ya what, he’s something special.
April 7th, 2015 at 1:44 pm
“Keen sense of where trouble lurks and almost never gets baited into a dangerous throw. Threw multiple interceptions in a game just three times over 41 career starts. Adequate accuracy and ball placement from the pocket. Able to make off-balance, difficult throws. Can uncork throws quickly and without resetting feet when necessary. Can climb the pocket and deliver strikes when he trusts the edges of his protection. Silky smooth when asked to roll out and delivers on time with sound mechanics. Has balance and feet to escape collapsing pocket and will look to strike through the air rather than just bolting as a runner. Size, speed and enough skill to eat in the red zone. Considered extremely coachable by scouts, who also love his willingness to play hurt. Very humble and leads by example. Family and heritage are extremely important to him.” – Profile
April 7th, 2015 at 1:45 pm
Extremely athletic
Dangerous runner
Fast and agile
Accurate passer
Quick release
Strong arm
Makes good decisions
Very good at avoiding interceptions
Has the potential for plus-field vision
Sometimes makes progressions through a defense
Throws well on the run
Bails out blockers with ability to avoid sacks
Intelligent
Proven leader with passion for the game
Winner at collegiate level
Experienced 3-year starter
Great teammate
Does everything coaches ask of him
Very humble and eager to learn
Phenomenal work ethic
Durable
Big upside
Toughness; plays injured
-Walter football
April 7th, 2015 at 1:47 pm
I guess MM Army not familiar with Godwin’s law.
It’s also known as “The Hitler Law”- The law that states that all persons comparing their opponents in an argument or debate to the infamous Nazi tyrant Adolf Hitler (or the Nazi party) is a tool, jerk, douche, etc. This person immediately forfeits the argument.
MM ARMY- You Lose.
MM Army = Sub-par Sam
April 7th, 2015 at 1:48 pm
“Defending Mariota at full speed is the equivalent of defending an every-down tailback who also happens to be the best passer in the country.”
April 7th, 2015 at 1:49 pm
Joe….according to my DirecTV Guide, Winston’s show airs Friday night at 11:30pm…so what does it say that he will be on when most people are either asleep or out partying…maybe even with Johnny Rehab….?
There’s not much competition tonight for Mariota’s show…NCAA’s are over, Deadliest Catch doesn’t start till next Tuesday, The Masters doesn’t start until Thursday…etc.
But Friday night, Winston will be up against the first full weekend of MLB, The Masters, plus new movies in the theaters, etc….????
A) They gave themselves more time to promote Winston. B) It’s on in primetime in much of the country. –Joe
April 7th, 2015 at 1:51 pm
Godwin’s Law (or Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1″[2][3]— that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism. Despite being described as universal regarding the subject of the discussion, Godwin’s law is more likely to be applicable to social topics (including politics, law, religion, etc.).
April 7th, 2015 at 1:51 pm
You’re earning your lunch on this thread, Joe. It’s going to be a cantankerous three weeks for a certain sect of fans. Good luck.
April 7th, 2015 at 1:51 pm
“Mariota might just be the best decision making quarterback in college football. Last season his TD-Int rate was an astounding 31-4. Going into the UCLA game last year he had thrown 265 passes in a row without throwing an interception.”
April 7th, 2015 at 1:51 pm
Joe…why do you keep posting negative Mariota articles? Are you trying to put the Mariota Army (lol) out of their misery or something?
As you can see it won’t work. They love him no matter what. Hell you’d think some of them actually lived in Oregon, they love him so much. That army of 5.
April 7th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
“Marcus Mariota in the Civil War game really showed me he has the ability to performing the clutch, leading his team down the field when they need it the most. The only way you do this is to play the game within yourself, don’t force anything. With 1:38 on the clock Mariota led Oregon down the field, 9 plays, 83 yards. There might not be a bigger game on anyone’s schedule than when you’re playing in a rivalry game against your in-state rival. With the game on the line, Mariota proved he could handle the pressure and delivered a great pass to Josh huff for Oregon to take the lead and eventually defeat the Oregon State Beavers.”
April 7th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
All great stuff for the Titans blog Skyline. Keep em coming.
April 7th, 2015 at 1:55 pm
Specifically, Lovie Smith was really supportive of Marcus Mariota’s transition to the NFL, quotes from the Tampa Tribune:
“Going back to the part where you say Marcus’ game doesn’t translate to the NFL, I’m not a part of that group,” Smith said. “And the reason I say that is he’s big, he’s strong, he’s got a strong arm. And all of the throws that (an NFL) quarterback has to make, I think we’ve seen him make those throws. He’s athletic. He can buy time with his feet.
“And then there’s (the small) amount of interceptions he’s thrown (14 in three full college seasons). I know a lot of the passes he’s thrown are screens, but you can’t blame him for the system he’s in. That’s where he is and they won a lot of games with that system. But a part of that system is throwing the ball downfield, also.”
April 7th, 2015 at 1:56 pm
I know you’re reponse is going to be “It’s not gonna happen”, but humour us 87…
…what if the Bucs don’t draft Winston and do draft Mariota? Are you done as a Bucs fan? Will the meltdown crash this site?
April 7th, 2015 at 1:58 pm
Mariotas a good quarterback. I love this guy.
Creamsicle where’s the love maaaan?
April 7th, 2015 at 1:58 pm
“When operating from the pocket, and it’s very clear Mariota prefers to operate from the pocket first, he displays good mobility within the pocket and an ability to manipulate the pocket with his feet to buy time.”
April 7th, 2015 at 2:01 pm
“The team that drafts Mariota will have a choice to make in how they route his development. They can either choose to adapt their system to his strengths early on to allow him to play and be productive (think Kyle Shannahan with Robert Griffin III), or they can force him to work on the pro-style aspects of his game which will inhibit his production early on, but is almost assuredly the best long-term option (think Steve Young).”
April 7th, 2015 at 2:02 pm
Since you know so much about the Titan’s blog 87′ you should go there and talk about Winston and home much they will love him.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:03 pm
I think we’re going to trade down and take Bryce Petty.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:04 pm
Do people still watch baseball? It’s the only thing I can think of more boring than Mariota.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:05 pm
Good lord no. I think I would prefer Brett Hundley over Bryce Petty.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:08 pm
JW is more pro-ready at this point. MM probably has a higher ceiling, but will need more learning time.
Pretty simple folks. The Bucs will most likely draft JW.
Either way, the premise of this article is absolutely ridiculous and a very weak attack at MM.
Please tell us Joe how 11:30pm on a Friday (when people don’t watch TV) is more primetime than 7pm during the week? It’s just a reach. And based on the number of responses from Joe in the comments, he (they) know it was a reach.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:08 pm
Why trade down for them. You can get them in the 2nd-4th rounds.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:11 pm
Regardless of who we draft, the nstional media needs to pretend Tampa has no fans, so you wont see any Monday night games.
Notice how the last two MNF games happened to be in Tampa? They were hoping the game would be blacked out so that they have more fuel to burn our fans and pretend we dont exist.
A little off topic but come on. Tampa is, sadly, the biggest joke in sports. Thanks to BSPN.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:12 pm
Between 6:30 PM and 7:00 PM is my napping hour. I might just sleep an extra 1/2 hour that day rather than being bored to tears watching Mariota.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
@Largo
Why thank BSPN? The fans are the ones that did it to themselves. Florida (outside of college) has some of the worst fans in the NFL. Florida probably does it itself due to 3 teams in Florida, but Florida is probably 85% Dolphin fans and the other 15% is Jag and Buc fans.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
LargoBuc Says:
April 7th, 2015 at 2:11 pm
Regardless of who we draft, the nstional media needs to pretend Tampa has no fans, so you wont see any Monday night games.
Notice how the last two MNF games happened to be in Tampa? They were hoping the game would be blacked out so that they have more fuel to burn our fans and pretend we dont exist.
A little off topic but come on. Tampa is, sadly, the biggest joke in sports. Thanks to BSPN.
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True story: The Bucs have no fans. People like to pile on the Jags, but they are doing significantly better attendance wise than the Bucs. And claiming they gave a Monday Night game just to ensure a blackout is a little preposterous since primetime games generally see increases in attendance over a normal game. I mean you say the Packers game last year right? Pack fans outnumber Buc fans 3:1 at least. That doesn’t happen anywhere else in the league (except maybe Dallas but that’s a pricing thing).
April 7th, 2015 at 2:25 pm
It must be hard to watch Luck then. He is one of the more boring players as well as Wilson.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:26 pm
As much as I want MM I hope we draft JW so All the JW fans see how he handles the big leagues, losing, and football criticism.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:27 pm
Keep repeating MM has a higher ceiling over and over if it makes you’ll feel better but it’s NOT based on anything remotely close to a fact. It’s your opinion and it’s a fringe one too. This altering method of reality is called ‘the big lie’ to try to make something true that is clearly not. I would explain further but fear I will break Godwin’s law.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:27 pm
That is fine 87′ you can catch it at all the other times it is on.
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April 7th, 2015 at 2:28 pm
Although I will say this. I will be asleep at 1130 pm on Friday so won’t be watching Winston. Talk about burying a player.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
Based on joes opinion rg3 was more exciting than luck. Personality wise or playing wise? Luck coming in as the best qb prospect ever, was less exciting than rg3 poor luck.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:33 pm
IMO Luck and Wilson are far from boring. That’s just me. I find highly intelligent people fascinating.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:34 pm
Skyline… U sunk my battleship. Wow that’s impressive. I tell ya what, this creamsicle is gonna get bent outta shape… I can feel the negative energy brewing. He might need a timeout.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:37 pm
bucrightoff…that’s the truth. The Jags do sell more tickets. It’s been awhile since Ray Jay was actually loud. Attendance has a lot to do with it. Yet the fans that do go to games are too busy texting there buddies the entire time on their Idiot Phones or shopping for merchandise while the game is being played. Those fans make me sick when I go. Then you have the fans that just sit there and don’t make a peep when the other teams O is on the field. That’s NOT me. I have no voice when I walk out of the stadium, every single damn time. I try to encourage fans to get louder when I’m there, but they look at me like wth is wrong with this guy?
Hell the home opener in 2013 I stood on the corner of Himes and held up a sign that said “Be Loud” for over an hour. Then proceeded to go to the stadium and held it up by the escalators for another hour as fans filed into the Ray Jay.
Then some question my fandom on here, I just want to punch them in the head it makes me so pissed. Call my mom or wife names, but don’t call me a fake fan. Nothing pisses me off more.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:37 pm
I fail to understand how showing Mariota first and at 7:00 pm is “burying” Mariota when Winston is slated much later. As for the primetime games, it all depends on who drafts Mariota and how well he does so some BS time slot for a “QB Camp” is completely irrelevant.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:37 pm
Oh wait luck is second best to winston. Or wait johnny football is second best then bridgewater then luck. I think rg3 is tied with luck. Maybe.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:38 pm
Aha ha ha ha Skyline and they say I’m obsessed. lol
April 7th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
If you ask me, you should just stop with these Mariota articles. They just bring hate to the kid on a Pro-Winston site ran by a Pro-Winston owner. He probably won’t be the pick anyway.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:41 pm
Mariota Army?
Precious, fluffy, little kittens.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:43 pm
Don’t worry 87, I really don’t know how anyone can call you a fake fan. It’s not wrong either to say we have a crappy fanbase overall. We just do. Winning will help, but Bucs fans aren’t going to be like Browns or Bills fans who still show up for a losing product. There are definitely die hards, just not as many as most fan bases.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:43 pm
WalkdaPlank…I agree with you 1000%. Joe really knows how to rile em up though.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:46 pm
Florida in general just has the worst fans imaginable in pro sports. I think only the Lightning draw a consistent loyal and active fanbase, but I’m not certain because I am not among that group. Marlins and Rays games are a ghost town. People only like the Heat and Magic when there is a famous name on the team (LeBron, Howard, Shaq). None of the 3 football teams have been good since the Bucs were over 10 years ago, so it’s hard to draw a crowd.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:47 pm
Jumping Jiminy, I bet with your passion, creamsicle, you’re gonna be a great coach one day. Maybe even president. You got a lot of moxy. I love this guy!
April 7th, 2015 at 2:47 pm
bucrightoff..perhaps it’s the heat, unlike Cleveland and Buffalo. I don’t know, but they do show up to games in those cities. I can deal with the cold more than that gawd awful heat in Sept and Oct. Much better stadium layout than the old Tampa Stadium though. Talk about feeling like a baked potato. In fact I’m pretty sure you could have put a raw potato on seat before the game back then and it would have been cooked by 1/2 time. Another thing no one would have taken it either, because no one was there.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:51 pm
Raymond Jameis needs a canopy like they are building at the Dolphins stadium. That would help quite a bit.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:52 pm
I personally can’t think of anything I’d rather do during the season than go to Buc games. People could offer me a suite at Disney World resort and tickets to all the parks vs going to Ray Jay on Sunday. I’d choose Tampa.
April 7th, 2015 at 2:54 pm
“87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:
April 7th, 2015 at 2:47 pm
Another thing no one would have taken it either, because no one was there”
My buddies had a section all to their own at the sombrero, they would smoke joints the whole game. No one cared.
April 7th, 2015 at 3:06 pm
ODB…you could buy nose bleeds too back then and move down closer to the field, no one bothered you.
April 7th, 2015 at 3:07 pm
Well im not okay with that. Im not content with national media types bashing our fanbase. Whats it like for a Bucs fsn to go into Lambeau? Ive never been but I cant imagine its a plesant experience unless you go as a Packer fan, which I cant do. Mean while they invade our city and our stadium and we are expected to shut up and be thankful that they fill our stadium. Sorry it just disgusts me to no end.
April 7th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
LargoBuc
Completely agree, I have no idea why the mainstream media absolutely hates Tampa Bay. It baffles me. Even when a team is doing well.
April 7th, 2015 at 3:17 pm
Philly fans take waaay more abuse than Tampa fans. I mean we still hear about booing Santa and that happend what? 30 years ago? Philly fans at least aren’t stabbing people like Raiders/49ers/Chargers fans.
Besides, the Lightning are generally praised right now as one of the model NHL franchises. Not all media is negative towards Tampa, but hockey media is way better than football media so maybe that’s why.
April 7th, 2015 at 3:26 pm
JBF…..you state…..
Work on your reading skills. Selling tickets is not connected to the team’s interest in national television exposure. And don’t make stuff up, Joe has no blind love for Winston. Joe’s desire for him to the Bucs’ No. 1 pick is because he’s the best QB available, based on film. Don’t blame Joe the Bucs put themselves in a 2-14 position.–Joe
…and now I state…work on your self- awareness. As almost ANYONE that visits your site regularly (as I do) knows with nary a doubt that you do have a blind, or at least a semi blind love for Jameis, and denying that is silly, and certainly not “made up” by me. Furthermore, and without statistical evidence bullets loaded into my laptop, prepared for rapid fire, I’m pretty sure that there IS a direct correlation between “national exposure” and “ticket sales”.
April 7th, 2015 at 3:41 pm
Actually the Bucs are lucky in that sense. The Rays get so much hate, more specifically the fans. Sure attendance is lower than other teams but that is not the end all be all to narrative that there are NO fans! TV numbers and tickets bought by individuals as opposed to corporate sales suggest otherwise but you dont hear that side because it dosent fit their agenda.
Bucs fans dont get it half as bad and the Bolts are a model franchise, but dont tell that to that jerk Melrose. Its never about what we did well, its always about that the other team could possibly loose to us…but thats just one jerk so what ever.
April 7th, 2015 at 4:00 pm
Rose Bowl champion (2015)
Rose Bowl MVP (2015)
Heisman Trophy (2014)
Davey O’Brien Award (2014)
Walter Camp Award (2014)
Maxwell Award (2014)
AP Player of the Year (2014)
Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award (2014)
Unanimous All-American (2014)
Pac-12 Offensive Player of the Year (2014)
3× Pac-12 All-Conference 1st Team (2012 – 2014)
Pacific-12 Conference Champion (2014)
Pacific-12 Championship Game MVP (2014)
Alamo Bowl champion (2013)
Alamo Bowl MVP (2013)
CFPA Quarterback Award (2013)
Fiesta Bowl champion (2013)
Fiesta Bowl MVP (2013)
Pac-12 Offensive Freshman of the Year (2012)
April 7th, 2015 at 4:01 pm
Sorry, couldn’t resist
April 7th, 2015 at 4:03 pm
“It is a smiling, laughing and, at times, wise-cracking Mariota, attired in a Nike “Hawaii” T-shirt and slippers.”
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that clip is out there. he is outside running the spider banana play he studies inside. gruden calls mariota back to tell him the play. mariota’s laugh seems awkward and forced. it is unnatural for him. his handlers are insisting on changing the perception of mariota’s personality and it seems so fake and stands out more.
April 7th, 2015 at 4:17 pm
All these mariota haters are pathetic
April 7th, 2015 at 4:28 pm
Joe Says..
A) They gave themselves more time to promote Winston. B) It’s on in primetime in much of the country. –Joe
Come on, Joe…11:30pm eastern on a Friday night is a terrible time to show this and you know it! Most of the folks in Florida and on the east coast will be asleep or doing other things at that time. Besides, 9 of the first 10 clubs selecting in this years Draft are in the Eastern or Central time zones, (and the Raiders got their QB last year) so who cares if the show is on “prime time” on the West coast or in Denver or Arizona?
April 7th, 2015 at 4:48 pm
Nothing like celebrating the pride of Hawaii and Oregon University. I know Jameis claims FSU, but Mariota has a whole state. Jameis can continue to look up to Mariota it is ok. LOL.
April 7th, 2015 at 5:05 pm
This is the GREAT USA and the thought police have tried to take over but the MM-ARMY is way to STRONG. Feel free to join the MM-ARMY there is room on the bus JBF! We will always welcome you after the draft. lol
I have been stating for about 2 months neither of these guys are NFL ready…thats just stupid talk.
Here is what I like about JW:
I like his poise in the pocket..game tape dont lie.
I like his side line demeanor and rah rah with his players. He has real leadership capabilities; needed in 4th Q.
I like his NEW throw motion (at NFL pro day)…the off season work is showing.
I like how quickly he reads the D and makes a final decision…MG8 could learn from him instead of taking sack. AKA have balls and go for it.
I like that he plays hard and seems to be dedicated to getting better. This is something I didnt think originally.
April 7th, 2015 at 5:06 pm
I tell ya what… The best athlete in Tampa Bay is Steven Stamkos. I love this guy!!
April 7th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
Durable?? Roflmao!! Wow..
April 7th, 2015 at 5:22 pm
Looks like the jets, browns, or eagles are getting a solid prospect, sky..:)
April 7th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RealkillersmoveinSilence Says:
April 7th, 2015 at 4:17 pm
“All these mariota haters are pathetic”
There’s no hate, there’s just no need to talk about the next QB of the Jets or Titans. Some may think there’s a reason for it, and that’s good for them. That makes them special.
April 7th, 2015 at 6:25 pm
Look at me I’m the best
April 7th, 2015 at 7:05 pm
my wife and I are watching it now… She just said “man… He IS a dullard.”
April 7th, 2015 at 8:16 pm
yes your wife should make the decisions. whatever, i thought Gruden really, really liked him. would love to see Gruden pushed to see which guy he would take at #1. Then again, he loved Manziel
April 7th, 2015 at 8:23 pm
Gruden would pass on all of them and instead take a RB who shared carries in college.
April 7th, 2015 at 8:52 pm
LOL…loved Gruden trying to get under his skin and it not working. Making fun of Mariota for his team wearing yellow and there is Gruden wearing yellow.
April 8th, 2015 at 6:34 am
Joe,
I am hoping that we draft Winston with our #1 overall pick this year, because I think he is the better quarterback who is ready to immediately succeed. That being said, is your blatant pro-Winston, anti-Mariota agenda necessary? If you are going to repetitively write speculative articles about Mariota’s “character issues” then I suggest doing the same for Winston.
I hope that we can move past articles stating how low-key Mariota is, or how Winston stole crablegs. Seeing this type of writing makes me wish the offseason was over already so we could read articles with some real content (the type you normally write).
Go Bucs!