Curious Quote From “Jaws”
April 13th, 2015
Ron “Jaws” Jaworski’s recent comments about Marcus Mariota and the Bucs leave Joe scratching his head.
Yes, the Silly Season added another chapter over the weekend when former NFL quarterback “Jaws,” Ron Jaworski, determined Marcus Mariota is his top QB in the draft, just like Mike Mayock of NFL Network did days before him.
Also like Mayock, who believes the Bucs will draft Jameis Winston despite his quarterback rankings, Jaws said these are his evaluations and, “I am not the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.“
Of course, many Bucs fans took this to mean the Bucs will draft Mariota with the first overall pick. However, in talking to PhillyMag.com about ranking Mariota at No. 1, Jaws had a quote that jumped out.
“Mariota’s stock, remember it was quiet for a while? And there’s a reason for that. There’s a lull every year until about 30 days before the draft. Now the coaches get involved. Prior to that, it’s the scouts, it’s the roadies that are filling out the paper work,” Jaws said. “Now the coaches get involved. Now team owners get involved. Now general managers get involved. So you’re starting to see, in my opinion, Winston’s stock starting to slide a little bit and Mariota’s stock starting to go up a little bit.”
Um, well, Joe wasn’t privy to the question asked of Jaws for this response. Regardless, it is so unrealistic if not wrong. Jaws must know better.
Just now coaches and general managers are getting involved? Really? Joe thinks the world of Jaws but that is simply absurd and naive.
Joe knows of two Florida State games this past season attended by Bucs general manager Jason Licht. And Joe knows of two Oregon games Licht scouted in-person. Again, that’s only Joe’s knowledge of Licht’s personal involvement. (Licht likely went to more Florida State games because of proximity to One Buc Palace).
Hell, Lovie Smith went to the Rose Bowl to watch Oregon face Ohio State. He even sat in the stands with his trusted running backs coach, Tim Spencer.
Both Lovie and Licht were at the NFL Scouting Combine in February. So Joe isn’t sure what Jaws is getting at about coaches and GMs only now getting involved.
But if that quote is accurate — again, Joe wasn’t in the room or monitoring the phone call when Jaws was quoted — his premise is destroyed by reality.
This just in: Bucs coaches and the general manager have been involved for months. Shoot, it seems that the Bucs (including Lovie and Licht) had moved on from Mariota and were persuaded to take a second look at him by Bucs offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter, whose old coaching colleague, Oregon coach Mark Helfich, was in Koetter’s ear that the Bucs should not to give up on Mariota yet.
Joe believes the quote from Jaws is wrong. Jaws has been around a while. He has to know better. It’s not like the norm for coaches and the general manager to first heavily get involved less than a month before the draft. Heck, it was widely reported years ago how former Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik was at Oklahoma games scouting Gerald McCoy.
This just in: general managers during the football season are often working on a draft two years down the road, not just the upcoming draft.
Again, like Mayock, Jaws made it clear these are his rankings and he is not Licht. Way too many folks are looking past this important element.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:09 pm
Well, the really interesting part of the quote that Joe left out, regarding MARIOTA, is this:
April 13th, 2015 at 1:10 pm
Joe – another very odd part of his segment on that philly radio network was when he suggested that Chip Kelly trade up to the 2/3/4 spot to get Mariota and does not mention the #1 pick.
How is that consistent with thinking Mariota would go #1? I’m getting a headache from this guy
April 13th, 2015 at 1:12 pm
With news that an additional alleged victim of assault will join Erica Kinsman in a lawsuit against Winston, this has to give anyone pause. This stuff will not ever go away. I am convinced that Roethlisberger got away with rape by using his checkbook – much less certain that Winston is guilty, but regardless, this will haunt him for the rest of his career, whether it is justified or not. I don’t want to root for a guy who MAY be a rapist. Bucs ownership certainly will not want to be associated with this kind of activity. For the risk to be worth it, Winston would have to be the next Andrew Luck, or maybe, the next…um…Rothlisberger? Yeah, it helps if the alleged rapist has won a couple of Super Bowls.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:15 pm
So, maybe Jaws is just allowing what he WISHES to be true to creep into his prognosis…we all want to like the stand-up guy at QB over the guy who may be a rapist, right?
April 13th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
jp4 – there is no 2nd accusor. Never was. Isn’t now. Not a single reputable news leak of anything to support the idea that there is a 2nd accusor or that anyone else is coming forward.
Everyone already knows about the woman who hooked up with Winston that sought counceiling years ago. Bucs had that information for over a year. We don’t even know what she sought counceling for.
All we know is that
1. Only 1 person has accused Winston of doing anything wrong to them.
2. That 1 person has been proven on multiple accounts to be a liar.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
I’m starting to realize a common trend amongst fans:
Those that want Lovie fired seem to want Mariota and those that believe Lovie can turn the ship around are happy and pleased with Winston.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
Winston = JaMarcus Russell
Mariota = Aaron Rogers
Geeeeeee……..who would you pick?
April 13th, 2015 at 1:25 pm
Ok………all you Winston lovers
……just because you can’t prove something in court or lawful assembly. ……………doesn’t mean it never happened
That’s why you hear about criminals getting away with it.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:25 pm
Marcus is the only pick Joe gets sucked in with all the little girl rah rah but the smart pick is marcus and the bucs no it
April 13th, 2015 at 1:26 pm
The stock going up and down is all talk. Neither of them have taken a snap in months. Worst time of year to be an NFL fan. Draft can’t get here soon enough.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:26 pm
And how did you manage to come to that conclusion?
April 13th, 2015 at 1:27 pm
Marcus is the only pick Joe gets sucked in with all the little girl rah rah but the smart pick is marcus and the bucs no it joe or the fans will get there wish
April 13th, 2015 at 1:31 pm
All this crap about rooting for a maybe rapist. It doesn’t seem to stop steelers fans from rooting for Big Ben. The man isn’t going to get charged for anything in the court of law, which is the only thing that counts, therefore he is innocent. If the bucs go to the super bowl 3 years from now with Jameis Winston all the stories are gonna be about redemption.
Gator fans get out of your feelings! If you are a true bucs fan u should be screaming for Winston. Mariota will have one good year and the next regime will be looking to send him wherever Chip Kelly maybe.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:35 pm
NFL Philosophy @NFLosophy · 9 minutes ago
The Bucs plan on drafting Marcus Mariota if they can’t find a suitable option to trade down.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
Keep reaching Joe, just make sure you have plenty of tissues at hand when the Bucs select Mariota. What are you going to tell your readers if Winston is selected and then is suspended because of his propensity for having off the field issues? He has made his own self a risky liability, and I think our ownership doesn’t fully trust him to make future good decisions without a babysitter. Of course I can hear it now from Joe, if Winston flames out, “Hey, I was behind Mariota the whole time!” Just like Joe tried to hedge his selection by saying he was all for Bridgewater too. Yep, it’s silly season again here at JBF.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
bucs_anthem says:
‘Ok………all you Winston lovers
……just because you can’t prove something in court or lawful assembly. ……………doesn’t mean it never happened
That’s why you hear about criminals getting away with it.’
Exactly! Just because an alleged rape victims story has changed, doesn’t mean the rape didn’t happen. Memory during a traumatic event is sketchy, which the defense attys use to their great advantage. Some people just want to deny that a guy they desperately want for their QB can have perpetrated a crime like this…and start screaming ‘racist’ at anyone who suggests he may be guilty. Wake up…while there is not enough proof to convict him, there is still at least a 50/50 chance he is guilty.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
I want a Positive role Model for the Leader of my team. Someone like Derrick Brooks, Mike Alstott, etc. Just want to be able to be proud of my team instead of embarrassed. Winning is important, of course it is but at what cost? Taking Winston doesn’t guarantee wins either, he is no slam dunk. Would rather have someone I could honestly feel good about rooting for. Would rather lose with pride than win a fool.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:37 pm
Instead of wearing number 5, maybe Winston should be the first NFL QB to wear number 50!
April 13th, 2015 at 1:41 pm
So the drunken masses gets to decide who is guilty and who is innocent? Who gets to have their life ruined and who doesn’t? Joe is sure our founding fathers would be so proud to read this.
How about Duke lacrosse? How many of those guys should be banned from employment? Should the coach be tossed in jail? Or at Virginia, should a whole fraternity be sent to a gulag, just because?
We happen to live under a nation with a justice system. Thank God TMZ and MSNBC is not the judge and jury in America.
Never being arrested (for the most serious allegation) and being cleared in four separate investigations/hearings should tell you something, unless you are a closed-minded knuckledragger.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:43 pm
Wow…interesting to see all the credibility backing up many of these claims. If true, how you can guarantee Mariota will go #1 overall but then state that another team like the Eagles will try and get him at 2 or 3 is beyond me. I will say that since the Masters seemed to take up everyone’s excitement and there’s no hockey for a few days, the NFL needed some attention and bad, well Jaws threw them a huge bone here. When they control the information they can bend it all they want…
April 13th, 2015 at 1:47 pm
hey @David…pats didn’t exactly win with pride, can’t remember who’s immortalized as super bowl champion tho, again…get real ppl, this is a business, we could put a team of Tebow’s and missionaries out there and I’d be proud as hell but lose like a fool cuz it’s football
April 13th, 2015 at 1:47 pm
Beloved Mark Dominik tried the boy scout routine. Oh, wait.
Who was involved in the Free Shoes scandal at FSU and was suspended for more games than Winston.
Being a fan of the laughingstock of the NFL doesn’t embarrass you? It should outrage you.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:48 pm
Any pick by the Bucs other than Jameis Winston will be a disaster.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:48 pm
Celly
I’m 100% pro Winston and 200% anti Lovie. I must be the exception.
Jaws is all over the place on this.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:50 pm
This is really starting to scare me. Instead of dismissing Jaws’ comments, maybe you should investigate the veracity of them. It is not unreasonable to believe he has reliable sources at OBP and incompetent Lovie Smith is going to draft the good guy instead of the good QB.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:50 pm
Well David if life was rainbows, unicorns, and cotton candy we all would be happy. But you are dealing with 53 imperfect human beings. If you were rooting for D BROOKS an the bucs back then just by association you would’ve been rooting for Warren Sapp, and he was no doubt a leader of that team.
Winston is immature, 97% of 21 year old kids are. But a bad person he is not!
April 13th, 2015 at 1:52 pm
“Reach?” So you are saying Jaws’ quote is accurate? You are even more misguided than Joe ever thought.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:52 pm
Guys!
Trust Joe, he knows QBs.
Go Sucs!
April 13th, 2015 at 1:54 pm
I’m starting to realize a common trend amongst fans:
Those that want Lovie fired seem to want Mariota and those that believe Lovie can turn the ship around are happy and pleased with Winston.
I agree @tmaxcon
Also @Celly, it doesn’t always have to be about Race. And don’t say it isn’t what you are talking about.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:55 pm
JP says:
there is still at least a 50/50 chance he is guilty.
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Yet you ignore the chance of him being innocent? You are a joke
bucs anthem Says:
April 13th, 2015 at 1:25 pm
Ok………all you Winston lovers
……just because you can’t prove something in court or lawful assembly. ……………doesn’t mean it never happened
That’s why you hear about criminals getting away with it
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So I guess you never heard of Brian Banks. The young football player who did 8 years of prison time because he was accused and convicted rape. Only thing is the accuser came out 8 years later to admitted she lied which allowed him to be released from prison. So the fact that you can’t fathom or even consider that the girl could be lying on winston shows just what a joke you are!!!
April 13th, 2015 at 1:57 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised if licht leaked this to see what chip will do.
April 13th, 2015 at 1:58 pm
the bucs want the best qb prospect…that is winston. mariota=manziel.
so says sports science via espn.
sports science draft combine: winston, mariota
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12679043
April 13th, 2015 at 2:10 pm
Ron “Jaws” Jaworski = early signs of dementia.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:10 pm
Joe says:
Never being arrested (for the most serious allegation) and being cleared in four separate investigations/hearings should tell you something, unless you are a closed-minded knuckledragger.
Al Capone was never convicted of criminal activity (until he was convicted of tax evasion), either. I still wouldn’t want Capone playing QB for the Bucs, either. My knuckles remain 2.5 feet above the ground, thank you. Name calling against people who disagree with your point of view does NOT win any arguments. It’s a fallacy of argument called ‘ad hominem’. I don’t know whether Winston is guilty or not, but regardless, there is nothing compelling the Bucs to draft him and ignore his possible crime (or the documented petty crimes of which he is guilty).
The only reason to draft him is to get superlative QB play, which no one knows whether he will deliver. In the face of all this – it is extremely risky to draft a guy that the press and fans will turn on viciously when (ok and if) he falters. How long after his 3rd INT in a game will it take for fans to begin screaming ‘rapist’ at him? It will be extremely difficult for a guy with acknowledged ‘maturity issues’ to succeed with this kind of baggage.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:11 pm
@PSchrags “Tune out the Mariota talk; Winston’s the guy.”
You guys should do more twitter and less ESPiN
April 13th, 2015 at 2:18 pm
As many people have said. Way to many red flags with Winston this is such a big pick we can’t mess this up. It’s either Mariota or trade down….
April 13th, 2015 at 2:19 pm
Sounds like the suits over at ESPN are asking of their on air talent the same thing that most network news channels are asking of their on air talent. Sacrifice your journalistic and professional integrity and adopt the views that the network knows will get eyes on TVs and clicks on web pages. I have a pretty good idea that Jaws wouldn’t have those same opinions if he were sharing his thoughts in a private setting.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
If Winston is “The Guy” why is he working out for the Jets and The Rams? If it’s a “Done Deal” or we can “Book it” why the hell is he still working out for other teams?
April 13th, 2015 at 2:21 pm
jp4…no player can ever be predicted for sure, which is why you draft the one who you think has the best shot.
I don;t want al capone either you know why? cuz he isn’t a damn football player let alone a qb.
“The only reason to draft him is to get superlative QB play, which no one knows whether he will deliver”-yes!!!!!!! that is exactly why to get a great qb! thats the smartest post of the day
April 13th, 2015 at 2:21 pm
JP says:
‘there is still at least a 50/50 chance he is guilty.
Tiny Tim says:
‘Yet you ignore the chance of him being innocent? You are a joke’
I DON’T ignore it…by nature, 50/50 means there is a 50% chance of innocence, right?
What I am saying is that it doesn’t matter. Outside of Winston and Kinsman (and even Winston may be convinced of his innocence, a lot of rapists don’t believe they did anything wrong) we won’t know what happened. But I would rather not root for a guy who MAY be a rapist. And Bucs ownership certainly won’t like to PAY a guy who may be a rapist, and have him represent the team. Ultimately, the payoff to draft him would have to be huge – Andrew Luck/Peyton Manning kind of huge, and Winston is simply not that sort of prospect. Maybe he is innocent of rape, and then his crime was throwing so many interceptions last year.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:22 pm
“Popular theory now has the Eagles trading up as high as number 2 for Mariota. So it is no surprise to me that the Bucs would like everyone to believe that maybe, just maybe, they would take him at 1, and therefore force the Eagles to give their next 14 picks to the Bucs instead of the Titans.”
April 13th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
The latest is that the fatter you are, the less likely you are to develop Alzheimers. Jaws is skinny ain’t he?
April 13th, 2015 at 2:25 pm
Jp4 says:
How long after his 3rd INT in a game will it take for fans to begin screaming ‘rapist’ at him? It will be extremely difficult for a guy with acknowledged ‘maturity issues’ to succeed with this kind of baggage.
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You mean what happen to him this year when he would throw 3 INTs and comeback and win the game? I would say he succeeded very well with “this kind of baggage.” Sorry you missed a whole college season.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:31 pm
am in the Winston camp…but for some reason I can see the bucs either taking Leonard Williams or trading the pick away….and when or if this happens, I hope that no one attends this hapless franchise home games again….pick winston call it a day and move on get him some OL help and hopefully build a 8-10 year playoff team
April 13th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
JP4 says:
But I would rather not root for a guy who MAY be a rapist. And Bucs ownership certainly won’t like to PAY a guy who may be a rapist, and have him represent the team.
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The bucs have already paid players who sexual assualts etc in their background which means the glazers paid them. I am sorry you also seem to have missed that in the history of the bucs. You seem to miss a lot I am noticing.
JP4 also says:
I DON’T ignore it…by nature, 50/50 means there is a 50% chance of innocence, right?
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Yet you put more weight on the guilty side which means you don’t know what 50/50 means if you would not allow this kid to play on your team. People understand, women lie and false accusations happen all the time. To judge someone off an accusation is wrong. No matter how you try to rationalize it.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
Except for Jaws and Mayock…everything I’ve read/seen says Winston IS like a Luck/Manning. So not sure how Winston isn’t that kind of prospect.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
This site is without a doubt collapsing on itself if they pick Mariota. Wow there will be a few dozen posters having major meltdowns, obviously with Joe and 87 as the captains.
Irony being the (likely) true story in a few years: The best QB in this draft will not be Mariota or Winston.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:35 pm
bucrightoff Says:
April 13th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
This site is without a doubt collapsing on itself if they pick Mariota. Wow there will be a few dozen posters having major meltdowns, obviously with Joe and 87 as the captains.
Irony being the (likely) true story in a few years: The best QB in this draft will not be Mariota or Winston
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You may be correct. The best qb could be a 4th round selection. Having said that, it does not mean you do not draft the top qb prospect if you need a qb. You draft winston and hope for the best as you would with any draft pick plain and simple.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:35 pm
WhatTheBucIsWrongWithYou Says:
April 13th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
Except for Jaws and Mayock…everything I’ve read/seen says Winston IS like a Luck/Manning. So not sure how Winston isn’t that kind of prospect.
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Except literally no one but FSU nut riders have put him in that conversation. Like no one at all. I seriously doubt you could find one person who has besides the aforementioned FSU nut riders. He’s a much, much more flawed prospect than either of those guys.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:38 pm
jp4 says,
it is extremely risky to draft a guy that the press and fans will turn on viciously when (ok and if) he falters. How long after his 3rd INT in a game will it take for fans to begin screaming ‘rapist’ at him? It will be extremely difficult for a guy with acknowledged ‘maturity issues’ to succeed with this kind of baggage.
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exactly! Also remember Winston has never really been on the losing side very often in his short football life. How will his over the top fragile ego accept defeat after the big S is ripped from his chest. How will he respond? If I had to guess, probably similar to the Wistonites when you have something nice to say about Mariota over Winston. Put a gun in their hand and I think some would actually pull the trigger. Of course let me qualify that last statement as an exaggeration for the readers who take things so literally. The hate I’ve seen displayed to anyone who doesn’t back Winston is probably a precursor to the same divisional split that’s happening at OBP. Let’s just hope that none of Glazer’s resort to gun violence. j/k
April 13th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
@bucrightoff
You’re kidding right? Mariucci, Simms, Sean King-all have said that
April 13th, 2015 at 2:43 pm
and what does any of this have to do with FSU…I’m talking Buc football, get over your hate
April 13th, 2015 at 2:43 pm
both these guys are really good quarterbacks so if your talking up one but talking down about the others skillset then your just not credible, both these guys have strong assets individually and both have weaknesses that come in the form of don’t know if Winston will go mental off field and I don’t know if mariota can translate into pro style offense, both legitimate questions that wont be answered before rookie mini camps or training camp. I didn’t say anything obvious, im basically saying im on board with either quarterback over a defensive end, or hell take leonard Williams 1st but you better get one of these top 5 quarterbacks, I just want to see a fresh face not someone recycled through team after team and definitely not glennon
April 13th, 2015 at 2:44 pm
Here’s the thing…most of the analysts voiced “popular” opinions without watching more than a game or so, if that.
But as they watch more tape, they see the things I’ve talked about. Mariota is much better than people think.
Most people against him, fan-wise, are against him because of his quiet personality. If they REALLY paid attention, they would see he can make all the throws, that he can take snaps under center, that he is not “run first” unless that is the play called, that he moves very well in the pocket.
He’s got his share of faults, but so does Winston.
And, to raise a point…Mariota has played in a pro type offense. There is spread in the NFL. It just isn’t old school pro offense.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:46 pm
WhatTheBucIsWrongWithYou says:
‘jp4…no player can ever be predicted for sure, which is why you draft the one who you think has the best shot.’
That’s exactly my point! QB picks in the draft are a crapshoot, you are just as likely to pick a promising QB prospect who bombs as you are to pick the next Peyton Manning.
Even if the rape allegation, and the crab legs, and the BB-gun wars, had never happened, there is still all the INTS Winston threw last year. So, regardless, he is a risk. Once you add in the allegations of rape, on top of the crab legs, shouting FHRINP, Burger King sippy drinks, his own lawyer calling him immature…with all this, you just ADD to the risk. Why should the Bucs take this much risk on a guy who is no better a prospect than Matthew Stafford?
Yes, coaches, GMs must take some risk to get rewards, but they are also paid to minimize the risk as well. Winston is a lot of risk.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:46 pm
I find it interesting for Jaws to say “I’m hearing now from my sources around the league, who are pretty wired in, that he’s (Mariota) going to go number one now to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers…”
Oh really?
So how come the local media’s inside sources mostly all say that Winston is practically a Lock.
Jaworski has better inside sources than those who live and breath Buccaneer football like the Joes or SR from PR – who have direct access to team officials on a regular basis ?
Not Likely.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:47 pm
Whoever brought up Big Ben and the Steelers is 100% right. IF the Bucs select Jameis, his legacy will be deciced by his win count not by allegations. That’s this business! We didn’t care that Michael Pittman rammed his pregnant wife’s car repeatedly when he was holding that Lombardi Trophy.
In this business, winning is the only thing that matters.
Time will tell the story on Jameis. If he’s a ‘bad apple’ it won’t take long to show here in Tampa, IF we draft him.
The Bucs are going to draft Leonard Williams(DE) and we will all be laughing at how stupid some of this talk has really been, mark my words.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:47 pm
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
April 13th, 2015 at 2:44 pm
Here’s the thing…most of the analysts voiced “popular” opinions without watching more than a game or so, if that.
But as they watch more tape, they see the things I’ve talked about. Mariota is much better than people think.
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Uhh so no one watched tape til two weeks before the draft?? Eevryone quick change all your opinions!!!
April 13th, 2015 at 2:48 pm
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
April 13th, 2015 at 2:44 pm
But as they watch more tape, they see the things I’ve talked about. Mariota is much better than people think.
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Being better than one initially thought does not make him better than Winston. So you draft winston
April 13th, 2015 at 2:51 pm
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
April 13th, 2015 at 2:44 pm
Most people against him, fan-wise, are against him because of his quiet personality. If they REALLY paid attention, they would see he can make all the throws, that he can take snaps under center, that he is not “run first” unless that is the play called, that he moves very well in the pocket.
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I don’t want him because there are no spread qbs doing well. It takes forever for them to transition to the NFL pro game. Making all the throws does not equate to an NFL qb. Alot more goes into it and he does not have the reps as a pro style qb under his belt. SO doing a seven step drop at the combine means squat.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:52 pm
Chicks yet- you can’t say Marcus is “the right pick and the bucs no it” when you’re not smart enough to type “KNOW it”
April 13th, 2015 at 2:54 pm
Tiny Tim says:
‘You mean what happen to him this year when he would throw 3 INTs and comeback and win the game? I would say he succeeded very well with “this kind of baggage.” Sorry you missed a whole college season.’
The Noles came back to win all of those games, until they played the Ducks. Do you really believe the Winston will take the Bucs to 16-0 next year? Don’t Bogart that joint, man.
This reaction will come once the Bucs lose 2 or 3 games in a row, the same reaction experienced by Brad Johnson, Josh Freeman, and Josh McCown.
April 13th, 2015 at 2:57 pm
@jp4
Are you serious right now? Are you really bringing up Al Capone?! The stupidity of some commentors on this site used to piss me off, now I just LAUGH OUT LOUD.
jp4, You sir are an idiot.
April 13th, 2015 at 3:01 pm
Brad Johnson, and the Josh’s were mentioned as comparisons lol
April 13th, 2015 at 3:21 pm
lol @ the JW ownage.
April 13th, 2015 at 3:22 pm
My point JP4 is Jameis has been under scrutiny for a year and a half and in that span has responded masterfully under “this kind of baggage.” He has shown a tremendous ability of blocking out the negativity and producing on the field. The fact you point out one game in which the noles lost under his watch is even more a proof of how good he is. No, I do not expect him to go 16-0. He does not have to. I do know he hates losing more than he loves winning and because of that I am more than happy to have him as the starting qb of the bucs. On to another topic………………… Brad Johnson?
April 13th, 2015 at 3:40 pm
Bucs89 says:
‘Are you serious right now? Are you really bringing up Al Capone?! The stupidity of some commentors on this site used to piss me off, now I just LAUGH OUT LOUD’
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OK, I’ll humor you. The context of the argument was – if a guy was never convicted, you HAVE to assume he is innocent, and treat him just like anyone else who has never been convicted of a crime, which is nonsense. You react to people based on their history, and being accused of a crime definitely makes me more cautious around such a person.
I compared Winston to Capone, since Capone got away with numerous allegations against him. You do realize I was making an analogy, right? I am NOT saying Capone could be considered to QB the Bucs. Guys been dead for, like, 70 years. I bring him up as a worst case comparison of a guy who got away with it for a long time.
Winston is no Capone. Problem is, we have no indication yet that Winston is another Brady, or Wilson, either. He IS possibly a rapist, maybe not. I don’t think the risk in taking him meets the possible rewards, simple as that.
April 13th, 2015 at 3:46 pm
TOTAL SPECULATION!!! He just said it himself on espn! He just has mariota rated higher.
April 13th, 2015 at 3:53 pm
Tiny Tim says:
‘My point JP4 is Jameis has been under scrutiny for a year and a half and in that span has responded masterfully under “this kind of baggage.” He has shown a tremendous ability of blocking out the negativity and producing on the field. The fact you point out one game in which the noles lost under his watch is even more a proof of how good he is. No, I do not expect him to go 16-0. He does not have to. I do know he hates losing more than he loves winning and because of that I am more than happy to have him as the starting qb of the bucs.’
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Tiny Tim, thanks for explaining yourself without slinging insults, which many on this board (and really, all over the Internet) seem to think is what wins. So many people ascribe to the Glenn Beck/Sean Hannity school of debate. Maybe these are the same people who seem to be saying “Yeah, even if he got away with 100 rapes, I don’t care as long as he takes the Bucs to at least 2 Super Bowls.”
As for Winstons ability to ‘block out the negativity and produce’, we’ll see what happens, whichever team takes him. All I want to say is that, if the Bucs pass on Winston, I will not object to the decision at all. Even if it takes several more years to find a decent QB, I am totally OK with that decision.
On the other hand, if they take Winston and he busts because of immaturity issues, everyone on this board will roast Lovie, Licht and the Glazers.
Or, if they take Winston and he wins 3 Super Bowls, I will be happy to see the Bucs win, but I won’t ever own a Jameis Winston jersey.
April 13th, 2015 at 4:03 pm
WhatTheBucIsWrongWithYou Says:
April 13th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
@bucrightoff
You’re kidding right? Mariucci, Simms, Sean King-all have said that
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Lol Sean King(spell that fat ass’s name right at least…it’s Shaun) ? Well then, I guess Jameis Winston will be 10 times greater than Manning and Luck combined. Because if Shaun King knows anything (besides buffets), it’s how to score 6 points when you’re team only needed 12.
As to the others, Mariucci said it about his brain, not his own field skill which is significantly more flawed than either Manning or Luck. Phil Simms has said nothing of the kind best I can tell. But if that’s your logic, I’ve seen more Mariota as Aaron Rodgers comparisons, but those are idiotic as well.
April 13th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
breaking news: third accuser has come forward.
Apparently on Friday night while attending a charity event Jameis Winston raped Charley Belcher in a game of bean bags. Charley is still too emotionally distraught but made the news public on Twitter. Hashtag -all he does is win win win no matter what.
April 13th, 2015 at 4:07 pm
Fyi
He was also seen with crab legs at the same event. Will he ever learn?
April 13th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
The fact that the first place you took it to was race says alot about you. My statement had absolutely nothing to do with race.
April 13th, 2015 at 4:26 pm
@ bucrightoff
Brian Baldinger on nfl network said he is in Andrew luck’s catagory. Also Todd MCshay has said he is the 2nd rated qb in the last 10 years behind only luck. After meeting with several teams at the combine, some scouts and executives were stating Winston’s football IQ is as good as Manning. So in that regard, he is close to Luck and Manning as a prospect. Also I believe Mike Freeman also has an article breakdown all of the comments as it relates to Winston/Luck/Manning comparisons.
April 13th, 2015 at 4:32 pm
No one actually believes Jaws has legit sources within the Bucs organization right? The Eagles are desperately “leaking” this information in order to discourage teams from attempting to move up. Whatever. I hope they pan right to Jaws on draft night when Jameis is announced #1.
April 13th, 2015 at 4:33 pm
JP4 says:
All I want to say is that, if the Bucs pass on Winston, I will not object to the decision at all. Even if it takes several more years to find a decent QB, I am totally OK with that decision.
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This is the problem with some buc fans. They are so used to losing that they are okay with it. You would rather wait “several” more years to find a “decent” qb instead of taking a stab at landing a potentially great qb? I mean if you are going to suck any way, wouldn’t it be better to suck knowing that you gave all you had and at least swung for the fences instead of just sitting on your hands and not trying? I do not get some buc fans at all.
April 13th, 2015 at 4:48 pm
Of course……whatever
April 13th, 2015 at 5:14 pm
Chris Simms has now come out directly addressing Jaworski’s comments regarding that he-Jaworski has been told Buccaneers will now take Mariota. Simms states that he (Simms) has connections with the team…and the word is that Winston will still be the pick. He added it would be a mistake for the Bucs to take Mariota over a Winston.
April 13th, 2015 at 5:25 pm
Do you need me to break it down:
If you draft a player that is not ready to play, he will (and should) sit most of the season. If Tampa has another horrible record while that guy is sitting, most likely, the HC will be fired, especially after the horrible outing said coach provided the first year.
If you draft a player that is more ready to play day 1, the chances of said coach getting more wins is far more likely; thus, helping to ensure that said coach get another year to stick around and further right the ship.
Oh well, not sure why i took the time to write that anyway, cause I’m sure your next rebuttal will have so much insight.
Go Bucs
Raymond Jameis Stadium
Jameis Winston = more wins in year 1 than Glennon has his entire Bucs career.
April 13th, 2015 at 5:40 pm
I certainly would trust Simms before I would trust Jaws.
April 13th, 2015 at 6:39 pm
Gotcha hanging on every word lol
April 13th, 2015 at 8:05 pm
Jaws is normally not prone to sensationalism, so this revelation is hard to dismiss.
I just HOPE it does not come true!
I am firmly in the Winston camp.
Quite a few of my football friends, especially one from Cleveland, feel that Cleveland is gonna make a serious move to try and get Mariota. They think they will offer Tampa BOTH of their first round picks this year, and then some, and throw Johnny Manziel in as well. Manziel will reunite here in Tampa with Mike Evans, his favorite target in College.
AS I already said, I want Tampa to stay put, and draft Winston. However, there seems to be a “goody goody” element here in Tampa, operating behind the scenes. This “goody goody” element seems to be more intent on drafting “Choirboys” then football players at times. This is why the trade with Cleveland for 2 first round picks and Manziel seems hard to imagine. Manziel is a well known Party Animal, but who knows, maybe the treatment can change that ?
One thing we can all be sure of, as we get closer to draft day, it will be fun to sit back and watch all the rumors and attempted moves.
One thing I have real trouble wrapping my head around is Both Winston and Mariota NOT attending the draft 🙁
IMHO, this is a real kick in the face by these two to the NFL, who are about to make these 2 young men very very Rich.
April 14th, 2015 at 6:23 am
It is interesting to note, that JBF goes all Gomer Pyle (“GOLLL-LLLLY!!) whenever any football talking head promotes Mariota as the best QB and/or the draft choice numero uno. The more reasonable approach for a quasi-journalist would be to……….oh, never mind, because it ain’t gonna happen.
April 14th, 2015 at 9:59 am
Hey there’s this vaguely credible scientist who says global warming is a sham. I guess all those other experts are obviously wrong.