Chucky Moves All-In On Mariota
April 27th, 2015
“That freakin’ pineapple is Russell Wilson with six more inches and greater strength. I don’t give a crap about that Oregon offense, I’d get that kid throwing the checkdown better than Brad Johnson.”
The Buccaneers’ Super Bowl winning head coach, Chucky, can’t believe Marcus Mariota isn’t the consensus top dog in the NFL Draft.
In one of those pay-per-view, BSPN.com stories, Chucky plants his flag on the Hawaiian quarterback.
Joe’s quite sure Chucky doesn’t type this stuff up himself. So it’s clear that a BSPN copy editor removed the naughty words and Chucky’ repeated expressions of “love that guy.”
Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon
I don’t understand why he isn’t the No. 1 player in this draft on Mel Kiper’s Big Board. I don’t know anybody in this draft that can do for a football team what Mariota can do. He can read the field. That whole thing about Oregon being a no-huddle, dive-option team, that is just a narrative resulting from a lack of information. The Ducks run a lot of pro-style concepts. Mariota does a lot with the protections. I’ve seen him throw the ball with touch and timing in tight windows.
Mariota is the same size as Jameis Winston. He runs 4.52 40, he is incredibly elusive, and man, is he a playmaker and a great competitor. I see him functioning in the pocket, out of the pocket, and if you want to run a zone-read, he’ll rip the defense apart. He is like Russell Wilson, only he is 6-4.
Mariota was one of 15 players identified by Chucky. They were selected for the breakdown because he raved about them so much in a film study session with BSPN draft gurus. Jameis Winston was not on the list.
Look, Joe thinks Mariota is a great prospect, too. Absolutely. But he’s not Jameis Winston, who should be better sooner, and deliver a wounded Bucs franchise a needed shot in the arm.
It’s somewhat funny to Joe that Chucky, Father Dungy and former Bucs rockstar general manager Mark Dominik are firmly in the Mariota camp. Dungy calls Mariota the next Aaron Rodgers, the same guy Chucky didn’t draft when he had the chance.
April 27th, 2015 at 10:50 pm
Lol I also remember how Chucky was also all-in for Alex Smith and Manziel last year.
April 27th, 2015 at 10:52 pm
And there goes Chucky blowing out pretty much every negative argument made against Mariota. I’m sure the “what QB did he develop?”and “this is why he isn’t a coach anymore.” comments are incoming.
April 27th, 2015 at 10:55 pm
Chris m’fing Simms was looking pretty good before he almost died.
April 27th, 2015 at 10:58 pm
What decent QB has Chucky or Dungy ever drafted? Crickets lol
April 27th, 2015 at 10:59 pm
This Gruden guy may have missed out on drafting say Aaron Rogers but hey I think he knows more about QB’s than the average fan. I think Mariotas gonna be better than Winston. Now now don’t take my head off.
April 27th, 2015 at 11:06 pm
Espo Says:
April 27th, 2015 at 10:55 pm
Chris m’fing Simms was looking pretty good before he almost died.
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Chris Simms actually was a good qb but Gruden didn’t know how to use him. He wanted him to do 3 step drops and throw dink and dunk passes and most of them ended up getting batted down at the line of scrimmage.
April 27th, 2015 at 11:07 pm
I am in Winstons corner, but some comments from good football minds have given reason for pause. Hard to tell if it’s three days till draft propaganda or there is some substance to the comments. Mariota is a dam good QB and I think he would warrant greater consideration if had played for FSU. Bottom line, I’m no expert and at this point I guess I could back either one.
April 27th, 2015 at 11:08 pm
Chucks knows more about QBs than Licht Lovie andJoe combined
April 27th, 2015 at 11:09 pm
@Espo
Yup. Fukk the Panthers. They also ruined Clifton Smith’s career. Buncha A-holes.
April 27th, 2015 at 11:22 pm
I thought chucky was all in on Winston…oh…that was a couple of weeks ago…he talks so much he can’t remember what he said….tomorrow chucky will be all in on Bryce petty…LOL
April 27th, 2015 at 11:22 pm
Mariota would be an all pro… IF gruden was coaching him
April 27th, 2015 at 11:30 pm
Winston is going to bust! There is no way that both of these QB’s will be great in the pros. Winston carries way more red flags. One of the biggest is that he has a body like JaMarcus Russell. Why would any team walk right into all of his legal issues with their eyes wide open. Chucky is right, Mariota is a taller, faster and stronger Russell Wilson.
April 27th, 2015 at 11:32 pm
Talent evaluation always has been Chucky’s best asset. Look at all the talent that he drafted while he was in Tampa. He sure built that franchise up with all of his great draft picks. Dexter Jackson the punt returner in the 2nd was my favorite Gruden draft pick lol.
April 27th, 2015 at 11:33 pm
Chucky was all in in Rob “Robosack” Johnson too. I’m a fan of Jon Gruden but that doesn’t mean I follow him blindly.
April 27th, 2015 at 11:38 pm
My number 1 question to Chucky would be “What is it that you see in Mariota that you didn’t see in Aaron Rodgers that makes you feel that he should be the #1 pick?”
April 27th, 2015 at 11:43 pm
Can someone tell me who was Rich Gannon before Gruden came along. Anyone who says Gruden doesn’t know Quarterbacks is JUST PLAIN STUPID. If we pick Winston over Mariota, we will be picking in the top 5 for the next 5 years. Winstons game is very similar to Byron Leftwich. Not to mention the same body type 6’5″ soft and chubby. I think they have the same wind up release/delivery. Both were good in college and were great leaders (remember the team carrying him half the field to hike the ball)…the guy had heart and his team loved him just like Jameis, but that won’t cut it in the NFL. HE WILL GET KILLED BEHIND OUR LINE. Remember what happened to faster options in Mckown and Glennon. That slow wind up and lack of speed to ecscape NFL caliber D ends will be his demise. If we don’t draft Mariota Id rather trade down fix the lines and give Glennon a real chance with a real OC, real Oline, real RB, and first team reps.
April 27th, 2015 at 11:44 pm
Now that they have had more time to watch film and see private workouts more and more people are shifting to the Mariota camp. And these folks are real NFL people instead of just website or TV talking heads
April 27th, 2015 at 11:46 pm
I am in Winstons corner, but some comments from good football minds/computers have given reason for pause.
April 27th, 2015 at 11:48 pm
Yeah he is just like Wilson accept for the touch, accuracy, durability, and leadership style. Yeah other than that they are exactly the same. You people kill me, and just for some perspective Gruden also wanted Rob Johnon over Brad Johnson because if his running and passing combo and again that was a brilliant call on his part, righttttttttt!
April 27th, 2015 at 11:50 pm
I just hope whoever we draft works out…I don’t wanna be having the same discussions 3 to 4 years from now. It would suck to be like the Washington Redskins.
April 27th, 2015 at 11:51 pm
PLEASE do not draft Winston!!! If you don’t believe in Mariota then trade down. We have a glaring hole at LT. We also need a G. Mariota is the real deal, though. Draft him and let Glennon start the season. Don’t be the team that passes on MM. He is guaranteed to be a star. Winston is guaranteed to be behind bars!
April 27th, 2015 at 11:54 pm
The deal is people want to like the shy nice guy more so with all this free time they talk themselves into something that just isn’t there. I mean he’s a great athlete and all but quarterbacking at this level is all about standing in the pocket, reading the defense and making stick throws time and time again. Mariota has shown once the running game is taken away he loses his effectiveness. The film doesn’t line and yeah he will make some nice plays but so did Rob Johnson, Michael Vick, and Vince Young but they don’t win super bowls, period and isn’t that the point!
April 27th, 2015 at 11:57 pm
Guarrented to be a star like Mike Vick right, sure thing!
April 28th, 2015 at 12:00 am
@distraughtfan
Gruden didn’t draft Gannon he stumbled on to a guy that was on his way out of the league and not in great demand so it was a no risk move to try him out and it ended up working out.
As far as the Leftwich like wind up that comes from being a two sport athlete and baseball pitcher it’s very easy to change your throwing release. if you go back and watch film of him in the elite 11 camp out of HS he didn’t have that windup.
April 28th, 2015 at 12:08 am
Waterboy
Gruden didn’t draft Rogers because he already had Brian Greise and 3 other young QB’s on the roster including Chris Simms and Luke McCown. They badly needed a running back and fell in love with Cadillac Williams at the Senior Bowl
April 28th, 2015 at 12:12 am
So basically then in this draft for this #1 pick we have Michael Vick and Byron Leftwich, lol
April 28th, 2015 at 12:23 am
Chris Landry is by far the most respected name in scouting. NFL teams hire him to do their player evaluations plus 8 NFL teams hired him to do their player interviews at the Combine.
Landry is also all in for Mariota. He seea a much bigger upside and future for him and really couldn’t recommend Winston to any team. His statement was “There has never been a college QB with character issues have any success in the NFL”
April 28th, 2015 at 12:28 am
@Underdog
I agree they had a lot of QB’s on the roster that year but if you’re a great talent evaluator and a top QB like Rodgers falls to you at 5 you have to take him even if it means cutting Luke McCown. The fact that they were even drafting a rb that year irritated me also because they had Thomas Jones on the team the that season but again Gruden didn’t know how to use him and wanted to stick with Michael Pittman so Jones got ticked and went to the Bears and lasted longer than Williams.
April 28th, 2015 at 12:30 am
Dan Marino had character concerns so he missed one.
April 28th, 2015 at 12:38 am
@waterboy
I know he didn’t draft Gannon but he made him a better Quarterback,MVP candidate for a couple and during that span he was elite. But only after Gruden coached him up. These days with all the focus on me, me, me, it’s refreshing to see a guy be so humble when he could be so cocky and get away with it. He knows he’d get more media attention if he ran his mouth like Jameis but his intergrity is worth more than a spot on TMZ. Now that’s what I want in my leader. That’s a guy I can follow. Not a guy with witty comebacks and a great smiles. He’s a guy I wouldn’t trust. I wouldn’t trust him around my daughter and if you would your nutz.I want a guy to represent my city who is respected. I don’t want a media circus, that will happen with him. It will be a huge distraction, just think about it.
April 28th, 2015 at 12:55 am
Well played.
April 28th, 2015 at 12:56 am
@distraughtfan
I do agree with you that I’d trust my daughter dating a guy with Mariota’s demeanor more so than Winston’s but I’m not looking for a boyfriend for my daughter, I’m looking for someone to come in and help turn the franchise around. I like Mariota he seems like a real nice guy but I just think he’s over hyped and came from a gimmick styled offense that makes him look better than he really is. The last QB Darron Thomas looked just as good as Mariota in that Oregon system and he also put up big numbers. He’s currently fighting to keep his job in the arena league.
Also I always hear how Winston played in a weak ACC but when I look at the defenses that he faced while in college he faced about 6 or so teams with defenses that were ranked in the top 50 in college football where as Mariota only faced 1 and that was Stanford.
April 28th, 2015 at 12:58 am
This should mean something. It’s an opinion but it is his honest opinion from an offensive guru who has buc ties. But nobody wants to listen. Mariota runs a 4.46 and is 6’3. Nothing more really needs to be said…but lets say it….he is really really accurate. And he doesn’t have off the field issues. He is the better pick. What is there to think about?
April 28th, 2015 at 1:05 am
Sorry my mistake Mariota played against 2 of the top 50 best defenses in college football and they lost 1 of those games. Winston played against 7 of the top 50.
April 28th, 2015 at 1:20 am
“Neither of us are afraid to what is perceived to be risks or what could happen if we don’t take a certain player.”
Words by Licht. But what does it all mean? Maybe the nfl world will be in for a surprise in 3 days.
April 28th, 2015 at 1:25 am
I’ve seen the Russell Wilson comparisons before and I agree with them…except that I believe Mariota will be an even better QB than Wilson! His athleticism is amazing and his intangibles are off the charts. Hope he is a Buc in a few days.
April 28th, 2015 at 1:31 am
Russell Wilson was a 3rd rd pick so if he’s being compared to Wilson I think we can all finally agree because I’m all for taking him in the 2nd or 3rd round.
April 28th, 2015 at 3:07 am
I am more and more all in with Mariota. Just think with his speed and illusive Ness and the fact that he can make all the throws – even something that dirk koetter said after the work out. There is so much more I think he can achieve and his ceiling is just much higher than Winston without the risk of off field issues.
April 28th, 2015 at 4:07 am
#5
April 28th, 2015 at 4:08 am
What do the following players have in common
Tuiasosopo
Simms
Gradkowski
Josh Johnson
All drafted by Gruden…so I wouldn’t put a whole lot of stock in his evaluation of college QBs. Just cause he’s a great offensive minded coach didn’t mean he can evaluate talent on the same level..there’s a reason why he always went with veteran QBs.
April 28th, 2015 at 4:21 am
And to be fair…”great offensive minded coach” is probably stretching it. During his time in Tampa I don’t ever remember having an offense that teams were scared of.
April 28th, 2015 at 4:35 am
Mariota is RG3 2.0.
I just don’t trust these spread QBs coming out of college.
April 28th, 2015 at 4:43 am
2 days,15 hours, 20 miniutes untill we finally know who to root for! I hope they make the right choice, whichever one it is.
April 28th, 2015 at 4:54 am
Gruden wants a QB who throws a better check down than Brad Johnson… that right there tells me all i need to know.. Stuff like this is why i was never a Gruden fan
April 28th, 2015 at 4:58 am
WS99 Says:
April 27th, 2015 at 11:46 pm
I am in Winstons corner, but some comments from good football minds/computers have given reason for pause. Yes, what you said WS99
April 28th, 2015 at 5:09 am
Maybe Gruden knows the Bucs are going Winston and he just enjoys publicly sticking it in the eye of the Bucs/Glazers whenever possible. He is still bitter about getting canned and doesn’t mind seeing the Bucs in this situation. Undermining the Bucs from his “QB guru” media position has to be great fun for him. If Mariota was the rumored #1 pick Gruden would be calling for Winston instead.
April 28th, 2015 at 5:20 am
Like I said for months. Marcus is in the way to the Bucs. Deal with it. Go Bucs!
April 28th, 2015 at 5:25 am
@Josh P
You hit the nail on the head my friend…exactly why he’s not coaching and currently sucking at broadcasting…
April 28th, 2015 at 6:20 am
Just remember people whether you like JW or MM make your own assessment. Don’ t go off of what these talking heads are saying. You will never get an honest assessment of a player by a person that has no skin in the game. Its easy to sit back and say JW will be a bust because of off the field issues or MM will be a bust because he played in Oregons system. Because if you’re wrong nothing changes,you wake up the next morning to write another BS assessment.. But when your job is on the line you have a little different mind set when it comes to drafting for your team and your job.
That is all my friends, that is all.
April 28th, 2015 at 6:22 am
And many of you Infamous supporters (supporters?) pointed to Chucky’s one on one sessions with each QB and said “yeah, there ya go! You see?? Even Chucky seems to like Infamous better!!!” **Burp**
DRAFT MARIOTA!!!!
April 28th, 2015 at 6:46 am
Well he knows more about QB’s then Lovie Smith does. And it ain’t even close.
April 28th, 2015 at 6:46 am
Smh,
This is for the people that are still upset that we passed over on Aaron Rodgers.
How much total time and resources did it take to develop Aaron Rodgers?
The countless hours spent w/ quarterback guru’s have been well documented -(Despite playing behind a Hall of Fame Quarterback for all the 2005, 2006, 2007, and half of 2008.
Aaron Rodgers was Mentored By
• Tom Rossley
• Mike Sherman
• Jeff Jagodzinski
• Tom Clements
• Mike McCarthy
• Joe Philbin
• Terry O’shea
Also have you forgot-just how bad he looked during those 2005 & 2006 preseason games? How about the regular season games against Baltimore (2005) & New England (2006)? Yep your right it wasn’t pretty.
He was a major project- that paid off in long wrong run.
April 28th, 2015 at 6:47 am
jW or MM. One thing I know, both are light years ahead of where we are now. If we draft MM, I’ll be excited to start winning next year, no media circus in Tampa, Glennon will get his chance to try to prove he is not average, while MM learns how to lead a huddle and 3 and5 step drops. If we draft JW, my expectations are we get better far sooner, and we get a more impactful leader, and someone better suited to turn around a crappy team. 2 more days and we will know for sure.
April 28th, 2015 at 6:58 am
He was a major project- that paid off in long wrong run. Nothing more, nothing less
April 28th, 2015 at 7:03 am
Yah. I prefer Mariota but again want the qb that wins the bucs the most games. I know they are going Jameis and chucky s comments make me feel better about taking Jameis. Cause you know who was a worse judge of talent then lovie? Well that was chucky!
April 28th, 2015 at 7:03 am
The Bucs are at best, several years away from being a winning team. Both qbs need time to develop. Take the one with less baggage.
#5 = Josh Freeman & Winston
#8 = Steve Young & Marrioto
April 28th, 2015 at 7:06 am
Mariota’s accuracy drops to less than 50 percent on second and third reads. Now THAT is gonna be tough to fix!
April 28th, 2015 at 7:13 am
Gru
5 Division Titles
• 2002, 2005, 2007 Tampa
• 2000, 2001 Oakland
+
Super Bowl Champion !!!!
ALL BY THE AGE OF FREAKIN’ 44 ← Great Job Brotha
April 28th, 2015 at 7:18 am
With all respect to his coaching abilities, he was AWFUL at selecting talent.
The reason he got fired in the first place was because he couldn’t collect enough talent in the draft to make it happen. What was that second round receiver’s name? You know, the guy that fell to the ground on kickoff returns. Gaines Adams over Adrian Peterson.
What a joke.
April 28th, 2015 at 7:24 am
Haha. Mariota should be the pick. So many SB winning HC/GM choice would be Mariota, and you Winstonites find reason to trash them. Remember, the Glazers still hold this pick and they like Mariota. But, there’s reason Bucs are the worst organization in the NFL. Bad Decisions.
#DP #HGH #PEDs #MushBrainRetard
April 28th, 2015 at 7:25 am
Chucky has never met a qb he didnt love, or think he could make succesful. Russell is ond of the most ridiculous comparisons ive seen in a while. Zero similarities
April 28th, 2015 at 7:28 am
@kaput
Gru, had lost control of the process by then -That was Laird of Glenbogles Pick (aka Monte Kiffin)
Gru wanted to draft Megatron-Organization was like nah, he wanted to add AP to his Rocket Back field —nah.
April 28th, 2015 at 7:33 am
Just because it took gb 3 years to come to their senses and quit letting favre hold them for ransom each offseason, doesnt mean aaron wasnt ready earlier. That being said, its no comparison he and mariota..thats as bad as he & russell..fans of marcus are throwing 2 of the most succesful traditional pocket qbs of last decade in a comparison with a guy who rarely had to take snaps, dropback, or go through progressions not entirely predetermined..that is nonsense and quite dishonest to be totally frank. Now those 2 are models for winston and his playing style. Alex & rg are molds for mariota..lets just be honest here..you are anonymous, u know? Why lie just to lie and make yourselves seem even less informed at same time?
April 28th, 2015 at 7:41 am
He looooooved andy dalton too..thats what mariota fans do..find any scout saying anything great about jameis is and show the last time they were totally wrong, like it means a thing..well, he said ‘blah blah’ wld be a solid qb too..if i hear another moron post something like that, either way, im going down to mr clipboard and tearing mariotas acl myself..shouldnt be difficult 🙂
April 28th, 2015 at 7:41 am
PocketPirates Said:
“Mariota’s accuracy drops to less than 50 percent on second and third reads”
On which stat site did you find this breakdown? Link, please.
Thanks.
April 28th, 2015 at 7:42 am
Gruden was the decision maker after McKay got the boot. Don’t blame it on Kiffin or anyone else, those were his selections.
April 28th, 2015 at 7:46 am
Lol so Barry must be buddies with the Glazers. He has inside information that nobody else says.
Just one opinion. On Path to the draft last night they said it wasn’t even close. They used film to show how Mariota’s mechanics were off on those rare occasions when he did try to go through his progressions. They also pointed out his issues with accuracy. They stated that he was a system QB and that it was impossible to know if he could transition successfully to he NFL. Like it or not Gruden is in the minority here Barry. Please go away after Thursday.
April 28th, 2015 at 7:48 am
Just one guys opinion and he is in the minority!
April 28th, 2015 at 7:50 am
@Kaput
The McKay left in the middle of the season-For what he perceived as a better opportunity in Atlanta. Don’t get me wrong-there’s a number of reasons why McKay fled for the Falcons, but the first one can be summed up in two words: Michael Vick.
April 28th, 2015 at 8:03 am
@tval
It is well documented that Rodgers was awful when he got to camp for the Packers, much worse than they anticipated. They basically had to break him all the way down and rebuild him. The 1st pick in the draft doesnt have the luxury of riding the pine for 3 or 4 years.
Also, I think Alex Smith is a much better comparison to Mariota then Aaron Rodgers.
April 28th, 2015 at 8:06 am
*Rich McKay left in the middle of the season-For what he perceived as a better opportunity in Atlanta. Don’t get me wrong-there’s a number of reasons why McKay fled for the Falcons, but the first one can be summed up in two words: Michael Vick.
April 28th, 2015 at 8:25 am
Wasn’t Gruden slobbering all over Winston a week or two ago? Has this guy EVER seen a quarterback, or any player, that he didn’t say was gonna turn the league on its ear? One reason I no longer listen to much of anything he has to say re: the talent level of quarterbacks. The ONLY time I’ve ever heard him make even a remotely disparaging comment on a quarterback was when he did the Monday Night Game where Freeman made his first and only start for the Vikings.
April 28th, 2015 at 8:26 am
Don’t forget that Football Outsiders’ QBASE model gives Winston a 61% chance of busting, compared to Mariota’s 22.8% and Brett Hundley’s 30.3%.
“QBASE finds fault with Winston for the same reasons it disliked [Tim] Couch and [David] Carr. All three quarterbacks started for only two college seasons and had good-not-great stats in their last college season. Winston has the same weakness as Couch: His adjusted yards per attempt is not as good as his completion percentage. QBASE also docks Winston a little for not playing better despite some elite teammates.”
“And while QBASE isn’t perfect — no statistical model is — it has been fairly accurate at identifying busts among number one overall picks, nailing JaMarcus Russell, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Tim Couch, Michael Vick and David Carr as likely disappointments.”
April 28th, 2015 at 8:51 am
If Gruden’s so high on Mariota he should try to push his little bro to make that move in Washington.
April 28th, 2015 at 8:59 am
@jb
We’ve had this conversation about Gru, concerning his QB camp before on this blog.
If you look back at the Jimmy Clausen Interview
Gru- Kinda smashed the young dude.Many have said that Clausen’s Draft stock dropped after the interview. Gruden also caught a whole lot heat on social media afterwards.Now, I don’t know if the suits at the network got involved-but Gruden’s been kinda PC-ever since
ESPN SportsCenter – Gruden’s QB Camp: Jimmy Clausen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGSTyFD7rfw
April 28th, 2015 at 9:01 am
QBASE model,c’mon man skyline you better than that… So all these former Buccaneer employees are pro marita how ironic. Maybe they can fore see how greatly the Lovie/WINSton marriage is about to overshadow all the accomplishments from they’re past. Its like these cats are worried that history is about to forget them. Oh well.
April 28th, 2015 at 9:14 am
Hawk,
that’s another one of those “facts” that gets distorted each time it is told. He got the info from sports science but it’s not when he has to go to his second read as these guys keep repeating, but when he has to reset his feet.
April 28th, 2015 at 9:25 am
1. chris simms was a bad QB. he was timid and regularly failed to get the ball out of his hand and past the LOS. once defenses found out how easy it was to swat down his passes, they stopped rushing the passer. can you think of ANY other QB who has been neutralized in that way?
2. ESPN needs to talk about prospects other than JW. what else is there to say? Winston represents a fraction of one percent of the total draft pool, but he (with and without Mariotta) has probably taken up 10% of the coverage
April 28th, 2015 at 9:30 am
@LUVMYBUCS – in an organization like the bucs, those 4+ years where he didn’t start would have been enough time to see almost 4 coaching staffs roll through the door. some organizations (like the ones who develop a project behind a future HOF QB) can count on enough continuity to turn a player like that into something. an organization like the post-gruden bucs would have…well, they’d have done what the bucs did with steve young.
April 28th, 2015 at 9:44 am
It’s not funny, Joe……think about it……
April 28th, 2015 at 10:02 am
Daam. And i thought he would have preferred Winston
April 28th, 2015 at 10:48 am
@Nole,
I’m sure Lovie wishes wishes he was half as good as Gruden. I doubt Gruden is worried about Lovie. Same for Dungy. Lovie isn’t going to overshadow anyone.
April 28th, 2015 at 10:54 am
The results of a Journal Sentinel survey of 19 NFL executives in personnel this month revealed Winston as much more bust-prone than Mariota.
Scouts were asked to predict what’s ahead for the two players. Here were the five categories used to forecast what their careers might hold, and the subsequent responses for each.
All-time great: Mariota one vote, Winston none.
At least one Pro Bowl: Mariota eight, Winston six.
Average starter: Mariota eight, Winston five.
Disappointment: Mariota one, Winston four.
Bust: Mariota one, Winston four.
April 28th, 2015 at 10:55 am
“Since the start of the common draft in 1967, there has been 18 years in which two or more quarterbacks were selected among the first seven picks. In 14 of those years, or 78% of the time, at least one was a bust, and twice two flopped.
All 37 of those quarterbacks entered the league with such high hopes. Sixteen (43.2%) went down as failures.”-jsonline
April 28th, 2015 at 11:45 am
Skyline Crew Says:
April 28th, 2015 at 10:55 am
“Since the start of the common draft in 1967, there has been 18 years in which two or more quarterbacks were selected among the first seven picks. In 14 of those years, or 78% of the time, at least one was a bust, and twice two flopped.
All 37 of those quarterbacks entered the league with such high hopes. Sixteen (43.2%) went down as failures.”-jsonline
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Based on those stats of qb’s drafted in the top 7, what percentage was it that the #1 pick was a bust?
April 28th, 2015 at 12:12 pm
@pick6
Well said-And So True Brotha
April 28th, 2015 at 12:45 pm
LMFAO Jon tells the TRUTH about who the BEST quarterback in the Draft is and now all you Winston lover’s can’t accept the FACT. Get over yourselves and come back to REALITY. WINSTON SUCKS it’s just as simple as that. I can’t wait to see the Bucs pass on him because WINSTON SUCKS. ……. WINSTON SUCKS, WINSTON SUCKS come on everyone together now. ……. WINSTON SUCKS, WINSTON SUCKS
April 28th, 2015 at 12:47 pm
I had to go back and look at the draft history. They didn’t mention that part. However, there were 20 QBs taken at #1 since 1967. Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett, Steve Bartkowski, John Elway, Vinny Testaverde, Troy Aikman, Jeff George, Drew Bledsoe, Peyton Manning, Tim Couch, Michael Vick, David Carr, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, JaMarcus Russell, Matthew Stafford, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck.
Since the article identifies JaMarcus Russell, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Tim Couch, Michael Vick and David Carr as busts we can go from there and include Testaverde (yes he played a long time, but so has Vick), Jeff George. Now I would put Matthew Stafford and Cam Newton on there as well as they haven’t really done anything noteworthy as a #1 pick.
So if I had 10 on there as busts that would be 50%, but we go with 8 then it is only 40%.
We can also look and see that of those 20 QBs drafted #1 since 1967, 10 of them were drafted since 2000. Of those 10 maybe 3-4 QBs have done anything. That would mean you had a better success rate of having an Elite QB picked #1 before 2000. After 2000 the #1 drafted QB has more often than not been a bust.
April 28th, 2015 at 3:06 pm
@ Joes & everyone else,
Mariota will be more successful than Winston and he will be ready in a quicker timeframe. Mark my words. Quote me again midseason and I guarantee that Mariota has more wins by then.
April 28th, 2015 at 9:02 pm
Skyline Crew said:
“That would mean you had a better success rate of having an Elite QB picked #1 before 2000. After 2000 the #1 drafted QB has more often than not been a bust.”
One explanation of this could be that teams no longer give a rookie QB time to ‘ride the pine’ behind a veteran for a few years. I remember Coach (Don) Shula saying that it wasn’t until their fourth/fifth year that you would know whether your QB finally ‘got it’. Nowadays, if the QB doesn’t take you to the playoffs by his eighth game, the fans believe he’ll never be better than a backup. The patience of coaches isn’t much better.
Brad Johnson and Aaron Rodgers are good examples of QBs who did very well after sitting for multiple seasons.
OTOH, maybe they did a better job of drafting before 2000 (BPA instead of need?).
Interesting stats, none the less, Skyline.
April 28th, 2015 at 9:05 pm
@Skyline Crew
I guess the term bust needs to be defined because I wouldn’t classify all those guys that you classified as busts. I agree that everyone expects for the #1 pick to be Peyton Manning but just because they didn’t turn out to be the next Manning doesn’t mean they’re busts. I’ll say a bust to me is a guy that doesn’t workout for the team that drafted him and has to go to another team to find success. But even with that definition Brees would fall into that group so I can’t say that’s a completely fitting definition.
On your list you had Vick, he took Atlanta 1 game from the Super Bowl early in his career and they were constantly in the playoffs when he was their QB. As far as Stafford and Newton I wouldn’t call them busts either. Alex Smith I never thought was worthy of a #1 pick but he has managed to have success as a game manager type of QB. Anyway my point was that the risk of drafting a dude qb at #1 is a whole lot lower than people think.
April 28th, 2015 at 9:11 pm
I agree with coach Gruden…Mariota is a better athlete and has no off-field issues to worry about. He is part Steve Young, part Russell Wilson. Adding him would allow our new OC to design a fast strike offense that would make this team so much more enjoyable to watch.
April 28th, 2015 at 9:12 pm
BTW Bradford I agree is a bust but it’s only because of his inability to stay healthy and I can easily see that being the future storyline of 1 of the 2 QB’s in this draft.
April 28th, 2015 at 9:21 pm
Most everyone is on the Mariota camp except for stubborn clueless Tampa media members.
The fanbase prefers him, the media prefers him, the NFL prefers him, but don’t let that deter your narrative Joe.
April 29th, 2015 at 12:37 am
Chucky knows more about QBs than anyone at ESPN and he is saying Mariota is the best QB in this draft–which is just what I recognized from the start, and for those of you who thought Tebo’s achievements at Denver were just a mirage, just wait and see him produce for Philly. Lovie should have grabbed him to backup Mariota here, but blew his chance. Instead he put his trust on Glennon which was a bust last year, but then Lovie thought His OL Coach knew what he was doing too. Lovie knows the least about Offense than any HC in the NFL but he still is smart in running the Defense. If he just lets his OC run the Offense, he could still create a Buc’s Dynasty!
April 29th, 2015 at 8:41 am
@Waterboy
Agreed that there is no true definition of a QB not being a bust. However, the names that you mentioned were from the article and identified as such. “Since the article identifies JaMarcus Russell, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Tim Couch, Michael Vick and David Carr as busts”. I’m not sure I would have Vick on there, but they thought he should be. Kind of the way people call Dalton a bust, but he gets them to the playoffs almost annually. I wouldn’t call Newton a bust either, but based off of them having Vick on there I placed Newton on there. Bradford I believe to be a bust because he in never healthy.