Casting Call
April 12th, 2015
Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston are such darn impressive quarterback prospects, per Donovan McNabb, both can be among the NFL elite provided they are blessed with certain things.
McNabb, now a top NFL analyst on FOX Sports 1 and a host on NBC Sports Radio, hopped on the Ron and Ian show on WDAE-AM 620 to talk about all kinds of topics.
A Winston-first guy, McNabb was pressed to say what it will take for Winston and Mariota to be great.
“For both quarterbacks, it all depends on the supporting cast. You know, if he’s with a coach that’s going to be there throughout the duration of his time in the NFL and with that team, then he can have the success of any of these top quarterbacks,” McNabb said. “If the guys around him continue to develop around Jameis, like he has Vincent Jackson, like he’s got obviously [Mike Evans,] and some of the tight ends that he has, they gotta build an offensive line for him and a run game. That’s for both quarterbacks.
“If we’re looking at quarterbacks with interchangeable receivers and offensive line [struggles], they’re not going to have a good career. And they’ll probably end up being on another team in about three or four years.”
Some sobering reality from McNabb there. Yes, Winston or Mariota will look like garbage if they get a new offensive coordinator every couple of years, a steady diet of 3rd-and-long, and have receivers that resemble the Rams’ corps during this decade.
Think about what Josh Freeman did for the Bucs in his second season at 22 years old, 25 touchdowns and six interceptions. Freeman, in his second season under Greg Olsen, had a punishing running game for the final two-thirds of the season, an above-average offensive line, a reliable and active tight end he trusted, plus a No. 1 receiver who lit up the NFL like Mike Evans did last year.
Stability and balance can work wonders for any QB as talented as Winston and Mariota.
Listen to all of McNabb via the 620wdae.com audio player below.
April 12th, 2015 at 11:19 am
The irony is that when anyone who tries to use the same reasoning for Glennon the haters come out in droves to tell us how he’s garbage because he needs a good OL and supporting cast yet I’m sure those excuses will be fine for a QB drafted in round one (look how many years Freeman was given). Odd fanbase at times.
April 12th, 2015 at 11:21 am
Just ask Alex Smith what it is like to try to learn a new offense every year.
April 12th, 2015 at 11:23 am
Yeah Toes, I posted something similar in the last comment section.
April 12th, 2015 at 11:26 am
Because the hate for Mike Glennon has little to nothing to do with Glennon and mostly to do with Schiano and scorned Freemanites.
April 12th, 2015 at 11:50 am
I think a lot of the Glennon hate also comes from the goofy look Glennon has. It’s unfortunate that the kid isn’t and probably never will be given a legit chance here. But I am looking forward to see the Glennon/Winston battle in training camp and might spill over into the season.
April 12th, 2015 at 11:53 am
Duh! Did we really learn anything from Donavan’s take?
That football is a team sport? That things would have been dramatically different for Fameis if he went to Gainesville instead of Tallahassee?
April 12th, 2015 at 11:56 am
Wonder who he would like if winston was white and marcus was black ?
April 12th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Destinjohnny Says:
April 12th, 2015 at 11:56 am
Wonder who he would like if winston was white and marcus was black ?
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I ask you the same question.
April 12th, 2015 at 12:11 pm
Please guys. Can we have a conversation without the race card senselessly being thrown?
April 12th, 2015 at 12:30 pm
I like them both it’s a hard call – I like mariota throwing motion and running abilty.’ I like Winston’s leadership and i think he will be damn good.
April 12th, 2015 at 12:31 pm
I’m not throwing the race card I’m just asking a question. Mcnabb has a history of that
April 12th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
Lots of people including some here have a history of it. Let’s move on to other less controversial things like Jameis Winston.
April 12th, 2015 at 12:42 pm
My concern is Licht may foolishly fail to get the quality OL help early in the draft that we absolutely have to have. I still do not understand after as poor a job our Center played last year that we did not sign the Raider’s Center to play center here and move our bad center to compete for the Guard job, instead of insisting that Wesniski would have to play Guard if he signed with us. Already a dumb move by Licht! We need to trade Glennon and get another third pick to use on another DE too. Then pick Mariota and sign Tebow as his backup and to start the season while the new OL gels together and absorbs the new playbook. I am alright with the way we used value free agents who know the defense to bolster our defense and I feel we will be fine on that side of the ball.
April 12th, 2015 at 12:52 pm
This team will rally around Winston and embrace the villain. The defense will be two times better because of it and there will be no blowout losses. The Bucs will win their division on GP(general principal)because no one will want a loosing season and they’ll want to win to spite the negatives.
April 12th, 2015 at 1:06 pm
For the Glennon Mob: Expert Joe Bussell did a roster evaluation for the Bucs in 2013 and here word for word are some of his observations about Glennon:
Needs to improve footwork. Doesn’t properly use his feet or hips to set
and throw, generating minimal torque and power from his lower body up.
Currently throws with upper body doing all the work which could be why
he struggles with throws deep and outside the numbers. Drifts off his spot
in the pocket at times. Doesn’t get a good picture in the presnap phase
which leads to poor reads, staring down receivers, and predetermination
of incorrect throws. Lacks anticipation and needs to see the receiver open
before pulling the trigger. Ball is too often late because of this. Doesn’t
like to fit the ball into tight windows, and when he does it’s typically on
a predetermined throw. IT IS A LOT MORE THAN HIS GOOFY LOOKS–HE WILL NEVER BE STARTER MATERIAL EVER. UNLOAD HIM NOW!!!!!!!
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ball
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how
route
concepts
can
exploit
different
coverage
schemes
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he
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often
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the
wrong
read.
Leaves
the
pocket
too
early
when
it
gets
muddy.
Holds
on
to
the
ball
too
long.
Crumbles
when
pressured.
Gets
to
his
checkdown
too
late
leaving
him
no
room
to
run.
April 12th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
The raiders center has a nasty injury.
It’s interesting to me the Jets are working out Winston. New York media indicates they are taking a close look at him.
I think other teams might go after Jameis did so well at the combine and pro day, and his film.
Looks like this thing will play out to the end. I think the only question is not Winston vs. Mariota, but Winston vs. the last best trade offer.
April 12th, 2015 at 1:28 pm
I still think it’s gonna be a long hard year no matter what quarterback we get, 4 or 5 win Season with Jameis, 7 or 8 with Mariota.
April 12th, 2015 at 1:31 pm
@Supersam LOL…Mariota will win more than Winston. Dude has to learn how to huddle and call plays and you expect him to be better than a guy that’s done it already.
April 12th, 2015 at 1:42 pm
Bingo!
Koetter will build the offense around the QB and RBs on hand.
The key will be execution. If the execution is great, then we have an offense. If the execution is poor then we have a QB and RB with bad stats.
April 12th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
Just finished watching the Winston episode with Gruden. Watching him shaking hands with every player as they walked through the tunnel and pumping guys up during stretches and cheering them on the sideline almost gave me goosebumps. This guy is bursting with charisma and leadership. Two years with the Bucs and guys will run through walls for him. I am completely sold. We have to get him here. If you look up the IT factor on Wikipedia they need to have his picture next to the definition.
April 12th, 2015 at 1:50 pm
@ Eric
Agreed about wisniewski. Im thinking that guy must have some serious issues for him to have been picked up yet
April 12th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
Similar to Doug Williams.
When he came in there was no question who the leader of the team was.
He didn’t have great shake stats while he was here, but he could change the game with one throw. And the team rallied around him.
Winston is a better more accurate version of DW, IMO.
April 12th, 2015 at 1:56 pm
What is the rumor about the Jets trading up to draft Winston? Anyone heard anything more than what is on rotoworld and cbssports.com?
April 12th, 2015 at 2:01 pm
@ Mr. Owlykat:
And yet, despite all of those faults, in his first 18 and a quarter games, Mike Glennon threw for 29 TDs and only 15 INTs. How was that possible??
Also, MG8 rarely got the time to look for even his first read, but somehow threw a TD pass to ASJ, two TDs to Louis Murphy, and even one to Robert Herron!
Given the fact that Mike Evans and Vincent Jackson were playing, I would bet that those three guys were almost NEVER the FIRST reads for MG8, yet only ASJ had another TD from McCown over the ENTIRE season. Looks to me that Glennon did pretty well going through progressions, because McCown sure didn’t throw to those guys. Maybe he didn’t take a lot of chances, but if he did, wouldn’t his number of TDs go up at least a little?
tickrdr
Just in case you’re a Freemanite:
JF5 in 2013: 11.3 ppg
MG8 in 2013: 19.5 ppg
In 2014:
McC12 = 15 ppg
MG8 = 20.4 ppg
April 12th, 2015 at 2:16 pm
Of course Doug came into a team that had the number one defense in pro football, in his second year.
That helps.
Rams beat us for the big game with three stinking field goals. Course Doug didn’t play second half.
If only the safety had bit on that halfback pass. Damn that almost worked. Looked like Larry Mucker was in the clear.
Oops rambling on. Sorry.
To old guys like me seems like yesterday. Be nice to have a little excitement again.
April 12th, 2015 at 2:27 pm
My god can we stop talking about Glennon like he matters anymore? Hes as good as gone when draft day comes. He will be traded for whatever, end of story!!!!!!
April 12th, 2015 at 2:57 pm
I’m sick of reading the bash Glennon comments. All of your anti MG takes are based on how he looks and little except irrelevant BS out of his control. Glennon is Lovie’s QB of the future and the future is now. MG aint going nowhere and will make a fine backup, potential starter for the Bucs.
April 12th, 2015 at 4:25 pm
Ron Jaworski believes Jameis Winston has the potential to succeed in the NFL, but he would not take the former Florida State quarterback No. 1 overall in the draft.
Jaws joined ESPN’s “Mike & Mike in the Morning” Wednesday and expressed some concerns about Winston.
“I’ve studied a lot of him. I think Jameis Winston has a big upside in the NFL, but there are some real flaws to his game,” Jaworski said. “Quite honestly, I would not take him at that No. 1 pick, but I am not the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And I am not talking about the off-the-field stuff. I have no comment on any of that because I am not privy to that type of information, but there are certainly mechanical flaws in his game that are troublesome to me.”
Jaws plans to discuss some of the mechanical flaws he sees in Winston over the coming weeks leading up the start of the draft on April 28. What might some of the issues be? That Winston has a long delivery which could be rooted in his background as a baseball pitcher.
April 12th, 2015 at 4:26 pm
last paragraph jaws says jameis has a long baseball delivery.
leftwich….
April 12th, 2015 at 7:36 pm
@ToesOnTheLine!
People are against Glennon because he doesn’t seize command and he’s shown zero improvement in his weak areas.
IF he did those two things, we would not be taking a QB this year. OL has nothing to do with it. A QB can still improve himself without a good OL. He may not win many games, but he can get better.
Mike Glennon has been given opportunities to claim the starting role. It’s his fault he hasn’t. Things shouldn’t be handed to you…you should earn it and take it.
April 12th, 2015 at 7:41 pm
Jaws finally watched the tape. I’ve been pointing out those flaws for months.
ALL QBs have flaws. The thing to determine is whether he can grow past them. Winston is talking like he can.
Honestly, watch Gruden’s Russell Wilson episode and compare with Winstons. If Winston were actually more mobile, there would be huge comparisons.
That said, I’m not sold yet, but getting there.
April 12th, 2015 at 8:37 pm
Buccfan37 Says:
I’m sick of reading the bash Glennon comments. All of your anti MG takes are based on how he looks and little except irrelevant BS out of his control. Glennon is Lovie’s QB of the future and the future is now. MG aint going nowhere and will make a fine backup, potential starter for the Bucs.
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The MG8 haters are always pulling stuff out of their ass’s and it ain’t flowers.
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Hey owleycats back!! Now go away.
April 12th, 2015 at 8:39 pm
And what makes Jaws an expert? Let me guess,because he played in the league but never won anything. Hmm I think I’d be more inclined to listen to the words of Trent Dilfer in reference to a breakdown of WINSton,he as we are all familiar atleast won a superbowl.
April 12th, 2015 at 8:45 pm
A single lost as a pee-wee. A single lost on the highschool level. Count’em 1lost on the collegiate level. Now I’m not the sharpest knife in the kitchen,but can someone explain to me how in the Hell one can produce all those wins on flawed mechanics. Really?
April 12th, 2015 at 9:41 pm
Bucfan4life Says:
April 12th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
If you look up the IT factor on Wikipedia they need to have his picture next to the definition.
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If you look up the IT factor on Wikipedia, you’ll find it doesn’t exist since no one can ever actually define what it is.
Also had the alleged IT factor: RGIII, Tebow, Manziel.
April 13th, 2015 at 10:18 am
athleticism aside, i see glennon and mariota as similar QBs. i liked and still like glennon, but can’t continue to defend statements that he could ultimately be a brees or brady type because of his work ethic, apparently high intelligence, and sufficient physical traits. the reason? no matter how hard he works, he seems incapable of demonstrating the want-to and the competitiveness and confidence under that those guys do. although i still believe the most important determinants for a Pro QB are from the shoulders up, i don’t think you can succeed without that fire as a QB, and it needs to be natural and always available. even guys who are perceived as “laid back” such as brady, rodgers, or russ wilson [heck, brad johnson] will eviscerate a teammate when they should know better or will run and get fired up when a teammate makes a big play. chris simms, josh freeman, mike glennon….i’ve seen enough meekness at the QB position in Tampa since Jeff Garcia broke down to do without it for the next 10-15 years at least.