Trading Down … And Drafting Jameis Winston
March 28th, 2015
A prominent national NFL voice and former personnel executive projects the Buccaneers will trade down and still draft Jameis Winston.
As Joe wrote months ago, that would be the dream scenario for Tampa Bay — to score the draft’s best QB and bag more draft picks.
Pat Kirwan, the SiriusXM NFL Radio host and ex-Jets front office man and linebackers coach, thinks the Bucs can get that done with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Kirwan joined his Movin’ The Chains co-host Jim Miller for an on-air mock draft on Friday, their first of the season.
Kirwan thinks the Jaguars, owners of the No. 3 overall pick, will panic that pass rusher Leonard Williams could come off the draft board. So Jacksonville will offer the Bucs their No. 3 overall pick and their second-round pick for the Bucs’ No. 1 pick. Jacksonville would then draft Williams. Tennessee, at No. 2, would select Oregon QB Marcus Mariota, and the Bucs would embrace destiny and draft Winston at No. 3.
It’s a nice concept, but highly unlikely.
Yes, Titans head coach Ken Whisenhunt told Joe and other assembled media at the NFL Owners Meetings in Phoenix this week that he would make Mariota his Day 1 starter. But Joe talked to a trusted NFL source later that day, and the source told Joe that Whisenhunt’s comment about Mariota directly contrasted what Whisenhunt had told those close to him.
Ahh, the season of smoke, aka the lead-up to the NFL Draft.
You can hear Kirwan and Miller talk about the first three draft picks in the SiriusXM NFL Radio cut below.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:06 pm
This scenario with either QB would be pretty sweet. Could double up those two’s and maybe move to the mid 1st for a pass rusher.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:07 pm
Not a bad idea, only id take mariota wait till the 7th round to take Winston and his “swag”. Then after that trade him to an arena league until he learned how to throw the football to the correct team. #turnover machine
March 28th, 2015 at 12:09 pm
Trading down and drafting Jameis is the dumbest idea I’ve heard so far. If Jameis is your guy……JUST PICK HIM. There is no guarantee that he will be there. If that’s the guy you want pick him. Trading down for a specific player is non sense. If you want a player, you own the first pick. Pick whoever you want!
March 28th, 2015 at 12:12 pm
Last time I checked “swag” don’t win football games, “swag” sounds like a term you’d use when you go to swallow a crab leg and gag on it half way down while watching Jameis Winston throw interceptions all last year.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:19 pm
If you make this trade which I don’t think the Jaguars would anyway as they could still get their man by staying put. However, if the BUCS trade down they could still lose the QB that’s at the top of their board Winston.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
Dumb idea the only option is to take Winston and be done with it anything other move is ludicrous.
Welcome to Tampa Jameis. Lovie needs you
March 28th, 2015 at 12:21 pm
Lol Sam why don’t you post that bleacher report article again. ’87 and I got a huge laugh out of that. You may want to brush up on your reading comprehension or you post another pro Winston article while trying to bash him. You have zero credibility after that moronic mistake.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:21 pm
may
March 28th, 2015 at 12:32 pm
Bucfan4life..he already lost that cred, when he told us a couple of days ago that Koetter said he and Bajagagoo QB coach have been hard at work designing “special plays” for Mariota…
March 28th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
It’s official, SuperSam is a dope.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
Williams….after his test positive for pot…Jags could trade DOWN and still get him…
March 28th, 2015 at 12:36 pm
Wasn’t Williams that tested positive JoeJoes. You’re thinking of Gregory.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:36 pm
Fungi
When did Williams fail
I thought it was gregory
March 28th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
um, am I missing something here? Why the hell would the Jags be dumb enough to make that trade if they are at 3 and the Bucs and Titans are speculated to take the top 2 QB’s in the draft? That makes no sense at all. Yes it would be sweet if that could play out but is highly unlikely.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
My mistake….
March 28th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
Shoulda drafted Teddy
March 28th, 2015 at 12:40 pm
This guy is crazy. You either trade down or pick Winston. To assume both will happen is idiotic. If the Bucs are stupid enough to pass on him, Titans will snatch him and laugh for years to come at us for it.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:43 pm
This is a fun scenario to think about, however unlikely. Grab the QB that makes it to #3 and then take those 2 High-2nd rounders and draft the 2 BPA at any of the other need positions OL/DE/MLB/WR3 etc…
March 28th, 2015 at 12:44 pm
Well this scenario should be looked at as trading down too get Winston or Mariota still while acquiring more draft picks . Specially with Randy gregory dropping from the top 10 probably now it means teams may have too go a different route . If we trade down it would have too be 4 or higher almost guaranteed. Washington and NYJ I could see still drafting a QB so you gotta be ahead of them. If we swap picks with a team like Jacksonville, Oakland , or possibly even Tennessee it would mean still probably get a QB , and more picks . Sure Tennessee probably takes Winston too I think but hey more picks is more potential for us too get another player too help us next season.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:44 pm
That s not a dumb Idea, I actually prefer the trade down for the additional 2nd round pick. If Winsotn is there take him if not BPA. Do this BUCS PLEASE.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:45 pm
J it’s easy too say we should have drafted this guy after he’s performed well. Nobody really knows how players are gonna translate from college too the pros.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:45 pm
talk about people pulling Inge out of their ass to fill time on the radio. This makes no sense and will not happen.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
@rayjay – The idea is the Jaguars think the Titans are blowing smoke about Mariota and instead, are going to draft Williams. In which case, the only way to get Williams in Jacksonville would be to trade up to #1.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
That would be great unless titans draft Winston and that’s the guy they want. Only thing you can trust this time of year is you can’t trust what anyone says
March 28th, 2015 at 12:48 pm
Exactly Jack you’re right it’s a genius idea . See what happens I think if it happens though Winston won’t be the guy buy you never know. He does has history . Teams may want too ignore him. Trade down and still getting a QB though is almost guaranteed in TBs plans as long as we pick above Washinton & NYJ .
March 28th, 2015 at 12:51 pm
Eagles come up to #1 to get Mariota and give the Bucs Sam Bradford + their two #1’s + a 2nd rounder next year. What do you think ?
March 28th, 2015 at 12:53 pm
JFat you’re probably right they wanna Snag williams from the boards in Jacksonville most of they’re fans want Dante Fowler though as a Rush LB. Not a 3-4 DE. That gives them a guy who can add pressure too QBs. Jags wouldn’t trade up with TB they could easily stay where they’re at and still get 1 of they’re top 2 choices fowler or williams. The raiders however could trade up and not go WR at all this year and take Leonard Williams. Now that makes a ton of sense . That could of been the plan all along ever since SUH wasn’t targeted .
March 28th, 2015 at 12:56 pm
At least if we trade spots with the raiders you know you’re getting a top QB still and then another 2nd rd pick probably .
March 28th, 2015 at 1:02 pm
The problem is that as soon as you give the #1 pick you no longer control your destiny. It’s a very risky move.
March 28th, 2015 at 1:04 pm
Get burnt by being greedy. The only saving grace is that I’m certain the Jags won’t pick a qb.
March 28th, 2015 at 1:05 pm
Just draft Mariota and get on with it. Should we go o-line or edge rusher in the second?
March 28th, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RayJay
Bradford can’t stay on field. Jameis is much less risky than hoping Bradford can survive a full season. Jameis is the smartest and best option. Bucs have little choice actually. Winston it will be
March 28th, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RayRay1 Says:
March 28th, 2015 at 12:51 pm
“Eagles come up to #1 to get Mariota and give the Bucs Sam Bradford + their two #1’s + a 2nd rounder next year. What do you think ?”
They have to do MUCH better than that and I really don’t think too may teams are willing to give up their next 3 number 1s for the next 3 drafts.
March 28th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
I listened to it yesterday and found it not too plausible. His secondary plan if Winston wasn’t available at 3 was to trade down with San Diego for Philip Rivers and picks. That’s intriguing, but Rivers is 33. The only trade scenario to me is if Tennessee covets Leonard Williams and are convinced we will trade with Jacksonville, so they send us their 3rd this year and next to go to 1. I think The Bucs really want Winston.
March 28th, 2015 at 1:22 pm
Sounds like a WIN~WIN….trade down and get extra picks…..someone sneaks in front and takes Winston…..
March 28th, 2015 at 1:23 pm
I think Cheeseburger Winston will be our next Cheeseburger Bowers….. But I hope I’m wrong.
March 28th, 2015 at 1:31 pm
I can’t wait to draft Winston. That way we are guaranteed a new coach a new GM and a new QB in 2 years. When Winston sucks, how long will it take FSU fans to turn on everyone else around him because theres no way their golden boy can be to blame right. It was the girls fault for being there, it was publix’s fault for forcing him to pay, it was society’s fault for him screaming obscenities, it was the equipment managers fault for laying out his uniform when he was suspended….
March 28th, 2015 at 1:33 pm
and Fishers fault for calling the play Jameis was not happy with….and the Refs fault for not getting out of Jameis way fast enough….
March 28th, 2015 at 1:38 pm
Only way that trade happens is if bucs have mariota and Jameis rated the same then why not and get another pick
March 28th, 2015 at 1:42 pm
Some of you guys are saying this would be dumb? If you can still get either one of the top 2 QB’s especially Winston at #3 and then pick up ANOTHER second rounder. What would be DUMB is not doing it if offered even if it does sound far fetched. Anytime you can take one of your two top rated players and get something extra to sweeten the pot you friggen do it, DUH!
March 28th, 2015 at 1:52 pm
Yea, sounds to good to be true. The titans would take him in a heart beat and before you know it we would have traded the chance at getting a possible franchise QB for the jags second round pick. Stay put, draft whoever you want.
March 28th, 2015 at 1:54 pm
Yeah Bird that would be the only way. I find it impossible to believe that Mariota is rated as high though. Unfortunately nobody knows if Mariota can be successful in a pro system and therefore you simply can’t rate him high enough to go up top.
March 28th, 2015 at 1:55 pm
This would be a great scenario if the Bucs are split 50/50 on Winston and Mariota. Otherwise, take Winston or Mariota with the first pick and be done with it.
March 28th, 2015 at 1:55 pm
No
March 28th, 2015 at 1:55 pm
WR is in good shape as long as we can get some depth. I saw someone mention the other day that Benjamin made Winston look better than he is like Evans did for Manziel. I call BS on that…sorry…not sorry!! Winston did not have Benjamin last season and he was still successful.
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Um……..Sorry rayjay. But your BS is just BS. Im all for Winston if he is our pick but you have to be truthful
Winston With KB 40 TDs/ 10INTd
Winston WO KB 25 TDs/ 18 INTs
In case you aren’t much into math his TDs were almost cut in half while his INTs almost doubled. He missed KB sorely
March 28th, 2015 at 1:56 pm
WR is in good shape as long as we can get some depth. I saw someone mention the other day that Benjamin made Winston look better than he is like Evans did for Manziel. I call BS on that…sorry…not sorry!! Winston did not have Benjamin last season and he was still successful.
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Um……..Sorry rayjay. But your BS is just BS. Im all for Winston if he is our pick but you have to be truthful
Winston With KB 40 TDs/ 10INTs
Winston WO KB 25 TDs/ 18 INTs
In case you aren’t much into math his TDs were almost cut in half while his INTs almost doubled. He missed KB sorely
March 28th, 2015 at 2:01 pm
BS
March 28th, 2015 at 2:01 pm
What’s wrong with a little kush? Pretty sure Famous Lamies chugged a gallon of tox tea and is now sweating his results coming back dirty. Maybe Kirwan’s scenario of trading down isn’t as ludicrous as you may think. We trade out of the number one slot, pickup a few extra draft slots and still bag that dope smoking rapist. I would be ok with that. Welcome to Tampa looser… I mean Lamies.
March 28th, 2015 at 2:05 pm
If they do trade down it will no doubt blow up in L&L errr dumb and dumbers faces….it’ll after these many years knock out of 1st place draft day blunders the Vikings failure to get the pick in,in time and watching the stampede as teams run up in front with their cards….Bwhahahaha….
March 28th, 2015 at 2:07 pm
If Tenn. Wants Mariota then Jacksonville doesn’t need to trade to get Williams.
March 28th, 2015 at 2:10 pm
Trade down for edge rusher and left tackle in 1st round. Not the con man with the gut full of cheeseburgers..
March 28th, 2015 at 2:12 pm
The bottom line is: No matter what the national pundits say, the majority of Bucs fans want Mariota over Winston. (Not on this fine site, but 3 other polls confirm it; Bucsnation poll, Tampa Bay Times poll, and Buccaneers.com poll)
I just hope the Bucs front office listens to the fanbase instead of the lame national and local media personalities.
March 28th, 2015 at 2:13 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98
The draft is an inexact science….errrrr crap shoot
March 28th, 2015 at 2:19 pm
Lol Bucs are not going to listen to the fans. They are going to go with the guy that will help them win championships for years to come. Which will be Winston. The fans will embrace all the wins Jameis will bring. Mariota supporters will disappear within months. Can’t wait!
Welcome To Tampa, Jameis!
March 28th, 2015 at 2:29 pm
Great hypothetical discuss but reality is Winston won’t make it past Tennessee if the Bucs trade down to #3. They would essentially gain a 2nd rd pick and miss the opportunity to draft a franchise QB. That would be a very stupid move. Furthermore there’s still a risk that the person that they draft with that 2nd round pick might not live up to expectations in the nfl.
March 28th, 2015 at 2:33 pm
Boy, this article really brought out the crazies. We are not trading away a franchise QB. Jameis will be a Buc so just get used to it. I was at lunch yesterday with a former Buc and we talked about Winston. HE basically said they have no choice but to draft Winston. All this talk about the stuff Jameis did in college is typical not the exception.
March 28th, 2015 at 2:34 pm
Eric Says:
March 28th, 2015 at 2:07 pm
If Tenn. Wants Mariota then Jacksonville doesn’t need to trade to get Williams.
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Good point!
March 28th, 2015 at 2:46 pm
NFL Replay (NFL Network) on Sunday: Bucs at Steelers. 3:00-430 PM
March 28th, 2015 at 2:57 pm
Jeezus Kreiste, all the negativity… This scenario isn’t outlandish… Will it play out like this? Doubtful. But if the Jags are in love with Leonard Williams so much that they don’t want to risk someone trading up to #2 to steal him, then this trade makes sense for them. As for the Bucs, if they know the Jags are not taking a QB, then they are guaranteed Winston or Mariota, if they want them.
I don’t see this trade happening unless the Bucs would be content with Mariota or they feel certain that Tenn would take him.
Adding picks and still getting the guy you wanted is always a draft dream scenario.
March 28th, 2015 at 2:59 pm
“Not a bad idea,”
It’s a terrible idea. Imagine… Bucs trade down to 3, Jags pick Mariota.
Tennessee trades down with either Washington, NYJ, or Chicago – there goes Winston.
March 28th, 2015 at 3:05 pm
Rob Says:
March 28th, 2015 at 2:59 pm
Yeah, because landing the best player in the draft (Williams) at #3 and adding a 2nd round pick would be such a nightmare. And you can bet that if LW is sitting there at #3, the Bucs would be fielding plenty of calls for more trade-down loot. So, it’s not so terrible. Maybe not the optimal scenario, but also not such an awful thing. The likelihood of the Jags taking Mariota is low, as they seem to like Bortles.
March 28th, 2015 at 3:16 pm
@ erikthewiseman
Stop bringing up polls about what the fans want. Each one of those sites allowed you to vote multiple times. I am positive the delusional mariota supporters voted multiple times. Please stop bringing up those bogus polls.
March 28th, 2015 at 3:20 pm
Gus Says:
March 28th, 2015 at 12:09 pm
Trading down and drafting Jameis is the dumbest idea I’ve heard so far. If Jameis is your guy……JUST PICK HIM. There is no guarantee that he will be there. If that’s the guy you want pick him. Trading down for a specific player is non sense. If you want a player, you own the first pick. Pick whoever you want!
How would this be dumb? Jacksonville isn’t picking a QB but they are the ones that have no guarantee LW will be there. It makes sense for them. The Bucs run the risk of Tennessee throwing up smoke signals and instead picking Winston but I doubt that. Worst case scenario is Tennessee picks Winston but then we get Mariota. I’d take the risk because I severely doubt Tennessee takes Winston and we still would get our guy and net a high 2nd pick. That would mean us having 2 high picks in the 2nd round to get our DE that we sorely need and either a guard, tackle, or LB or safety.
March 28th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
Im pretty sure this was their attempt in 2012 when they tried trading down 2 spots (their 5 for Jax’s 7) in hopes of still landing morris claiborne….I was smh and then lmao when Dallas jumped up in front of us at 6 and stole Claiborne away….then Dom had to reach for Barron and the rest is history as Dominic tried that lie of “Barron was our guy the whole time” …..yeah right.
So dont think another team could trade up in front of us to grab him….last I checked, the top 5 draft teams have multiple holes and could trade that pick away to ANY team. Just stay the course unless our target is MM. Im pretty sure he’s going somewhere between 5 to 10.
March 28th, 2015 at 4:15 pm
MadMax Says:
March 28th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
Im pretty sure this was their attempt in 2012 when they tried trading down 2 spots (their 5 for Jax’s 7) in hopes of still landing morris claiborne….I was smh and then lmao when Dallas jumped up in front of us at 6 and stole Claiborne away….then Dom had to reach for Barron and the rest is history as Dominic tried that lie of “Barron was our guy the whole time” …..yeah right.
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Considering Claiborne has been nothing but a disaster for the Cowboys, probably a good thing we didn’t get him. Barron wasn’t great, but he was still better than Claiborne. That said outside Luck, that entire top 10 is horrible. Busts-o-plenty.
March 28th, 2015 at 4:17 pm
Lol, just looked over the top 10 of that 2012 draft class and only three seem to have worked out for value of pick…Luck, Tannehill, and Keuchly. And to think we couldve had our franchise MLB in Keuchly…hmm
March 28th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
Not so fast @bucrightoff, go back and look. The majority were horrible though. And what happened with Blackmon is exactly what I see with Dante Fowler….just stay away from him.
March 28th, 2015 at 5:12 pm
MadMax,
What’s Fowler’s deal? I don’t know much about him off the field.
March 28th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
If they do that teams will move up and snag Winston because hes supposed to be the top rated qb right leaving Mariota and a slew of picks possibly.
March 28th, 2015 at 5:28 pm
wish draft was tomorrow so all the speculation bs would be over real soon.
March 28th, 2015 at 5:36 pm
@Bill, the big news was he tested positive for maryJ at the combine, plus he has a history of failing drug tests.
While I dont have anything against someone lighting up once or twice a year at a special event, I just know I wouldnt do it if I know my career depends on it….especially such a high profile/high paying career. My job does randoms, and post accident tests and Ive done 3 (hair tests) the past year because of accidents that were other people’s fault. Glad I dont even do it once a year because you just never know. But in my early 20’s, yeah I did it a little, I was a light weight though, couldnt handle much.
March 28th, 2015 at 5:37 pm
again, if we drafted kuechly we would not have drafted lavonte david.
March 28th, 2015 at 5:39 pm
OH FFS, I meant Randy Gregory…not Fowler…..ugh!!! Sorry guys. See why I stay away from drugs, Im already messed up enough, lol.
March 28th, 2015 at 5:41 pm
I havent been paying attention much to top DE draft picks since I know we wont get one and just got the names confused…….my bad
March 28th, 2015 at 5:44 pm
This may be the dumbest draft idea ive heard of yet..if you believe whisenhunt would take mariota over winston you know absolutely nothing about football..i wouldnt mind but tennessee fans would be absolutely over the moon
March 28th, 2015 at 5:46 pm
if we pass on winston, tennessee will take him. you do not pass on the savior. jameis christ will resurrect this franchise!
win, it’s in his name.
#winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby
March 28th, 2015 at 5:51 pm
tiny tim Says:
March 28th, 2015 at 3:16 pm
“@ erikthewiseman
Stop bringing up polls about what the fans want. Each one of those sites allowed you to vote multiple times. I am positive the delusional mariota supporters voted multiple times. Please stop bringing up those bogus polls.”
Yes sir…I voted multiple times for Winston on Buc Nation. The poll sits at 52 Mariota 48 for Winston…
March 28th, 2015 at 5:53 pm
I am not convinced Winston is all that he is made out to be….both years he was surrounded by talent that mismatched the opposition 90% of the time….sure he was dramatic….but he was also horrible and had to make dramatic come backs….which will be extremely difficult and rare in the NFL.
He has a long wind up and a 3/4 release point both of which will have rushers licking their chops.
He is slow as molasses when forced to run
He is no where close to Andrew Luck although he is said to be the best since….OK even if best since…he is still a long way from Luck
March 28th, 2015 at 5:58 pm
JoeJoes Fungi Nails …if you’re taking BOTH years into consideration, there was no dramatic games in 2013 as Jameis and the Noles dominated everyone they played until the National Championship.
I for one am glad he went through all that adversity on the field this past season, rather than still blowing every team out like the year before. I think it did wonders for the kid.
March 28th, 2015 at 6:03 pm
heh…for a second I thought that was Josh Freeman.
March 28th, 2015 at 6:05 pm
@87LikesFreeJerseys Says
he would have benefited greatly from another year at FSU….don’t even go there “he had nothing left to prove”
The AdMin and Fisher both had enough of his act and did not want to deal with the crap that he’ll be dealing with soon….
March 28th, 2015 at 6:05 pm
No one is trading up to number one. Not gonna happen.
March 28th, 2015 at 6:10 pm
Once and if the Bucs draft Jameis..I’ll shut up and support him like any other Buc…..I just am concerned he’ll repeat his bonehead behaviors…and will be dealing with an onslaught of bad publicity with the awaiting civil suits and additional accusations…..too much risk for unknown rewards with the overall #1 pick
So until his name is called I’ll shouting out caution and concern
March 28th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
I give Pat Kirwan credit. He could be lazy like ALL of the other media guys, say “We already know Tampa’s pick, so let’s move on to the next team.”
Instead, he’s exploring other scenarios, no matter how unlikely. At least he’s doing his job.
I am so sick of these draft shows skipping discussion of the Bucs because the whole Winston thing has been covered so much. Even if you’re sure the pick will be him, at least explore other possibilities for entertainment purposes.
So far, they are using it as an excuse to ignore the Bucs.
March 28th, 2015 at 6:17 pm
hey joejoe, where did you get the fsu insider info from? enjoy your new team after the draft.
March 28th, 2015 at 6:19 pm
The people who are set on certain prospects are not going to budge in one month. No point in debating anymore unless you want to look like an ass. They’re going to pick whoever they will pick regardless of popular opinion.
Time to just sit back and watch the fireworks go off in here. People say the dumbest (yet funniest) things.
March 28th, 2015 at 6:21 pm
“So far, they are using it as an excuse to ignore the Bucs.”
the bucs have been ignored for a long while now…lol
March 28th, 2015 at 6:32 pm
JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:
March 28th, 2015 at 6:05 pm
“@87LikesFreeJerseys Says
he would have benefited greatly from another year at FSU….don’t even go there “he had nothing left to prove”
The AdMin and Fisher both had enough of his act and did not want to deal with the crap that he’ll be dealing with soon….”
I agree with only one thing you said. YES he would have benefited tremendously if he stayed another year and as a Nole I was all for it.
March 28th, 2015 at 6:35 pm
WalkdaPlank…ya know somethings I say on here is to just get a rise out of some posters. I’m sure you can tell the difference though.
March 28th, 2015 at 6:47 pm
I remember him saying he was losing his O line and implied he didnt want to be behind a bunch of new guys…..I just hope he’s ready for what we have at O line. I know we can improve it and he’ll probably sit some games, 5 or so, but unless our O line really improves he’s going to be shell shocked….and I dont want to see another “Carr” wreck.
March 28th, 2015 at 6:53 pm
So the pistol is wont work in the NFL huh? Hmmm one of the best coaches in the NFL seems to think otherwise. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/28/packers-may-use-pistol-formation-on-a-regular-basis/
March 28th, 2015 at 6:54 pm
Max…they better fix that line and fast….because looking through my crystal ball I see Winston starting game 1.
March 28th, 2015 at 6:54 pm
Would help with our o-line weakness as well, Winston will get killed behind our o-line, hes slower than Glennon. Atleast Mariota can RUN!!
March 28th, 2015 at 6:55 pm
Sam….just go and buy a Jets jersey already and get it over with.
March 28th, 2015 at 7:00 pm
Sam…it goes like this : J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets Jets!
Learn it, know it, live it.
March 28th, 2015 at 7:12 pm
Since I don’t think either JW or MM are worthy of #1 overall and this roster is full of holes on both side of the ball.
If I were GM I’d do the tough PR thing and concentrate of building those areas first/this year I would try and trade down twice in the first round and get as many picks as possible.
Glennon would be the starter this year and a QB would be top priority next year.
March 28th, 2015 at 7:27 pm
well, with your talent evaluations it is a great thing you are NOT our gm!
they did not tank the last quarter to trade down or not take a qb.
March 28th, 2015 at 7:29 pm
@subsam,
it is a great thing we are taking winston then. he can play from the huddle, shotgun, or spread. he was one of the top qb, if not the top, and ran spread in high school. he has shown that he is very mobile and can get out of trouble if needed.
mariota has not show play from a huddle.
March 28th, 2015 at 8:42 pm
The question is simple, as far as I’m concerned. Either they draft Winston or I’m done with this team. The Bucs aren’t different from any other company trying to sell a product. If a product is questionable, then why should I spend my money and my time on it? Because not drafting a franchise QB when you have the chance to do so would imply that people in charge at One Buc Place are plain dumb and I don’t wanna waste time with them. That means no more season tickets, no more merchandise and so on, until the product on the field will improve. Really, I’ve never understood such things as going to the stadium with paper bags or booing your own team Sunday after Sunday. The people in football make waaaaaaay too much money if you ask me, it’s only fair that fans keep their own money when a team is bad. And not drafting a QB in this draft would mean that the Bucs are rotten to the core, simple as that.
March 28th, 2015 at 8:52 pm
Winston is no more mobile than Glennon btw, definitely not “very” mobile. He had a couple nice runs in college but he won’t be running like that in the NFL unless he wants to wind up on the back of a golf cart.
If Winston is the pick, he better get that ball out quick or it’s going to be a long ass season.
March 28th, 2015 at 8:53 pm
Elle,
I feel the exact same way about Mariota…. If we don’t draft Mariota, I will be ashamed of the Bucs and their horrible decision making. #YesIstillthinkwerepickingMariota
March 28th, 2015 at 8:57 pm
In 2006 only 19% of NFL snaps were taken under Shotgun
in 2013 it was at 50%
In 2014 it is up to 60%
So WHAT exactly is a “Pro Style Offense” and how is it executed
March 28th, 2015 at 9:02 pm
Erik,
I said Winston because he seems to be favored at this point. I have some concerns about Mariota, mostly his character and demeanor, but if they draft him, instead, I’ll be happy all the same. You have the 1st pick in the draft, here’s your chance to get your hands on a franchise QB, either Winston or Mariota. As long as one of the two is picked, then all is good. Any other move and I will cringe until the end of time.
That’s just me anyway. I’m sure others would like to trade down and get more picks and whatnot.
March 28th, 2015 at 9:26 pm
“He had a couple nice runs in college but he won’t be running like that in the NFL unless he wants to wind up on the back of a golf cart.”
i highly doubt that. now mariota, on the other hand, would go down, and has.
March 28th, 2015 at 9:27 pm
I’m with Elle. I don’t like Mariota’s character or demeanor.
March 28th, 2015 at 9:30 pm
Elle says :
“That’s just me anyway. I’m sure others would like to trade down and get more picks and whatnot.”
Elle that just MOST Buc fans. There’s maybe 5% that want them to trade down. So you’re in the majority. Welcome aboard.
March 28th, 2015 at 9:56 pm
When will these no it all posters understand that lining up in a shotgun or pistol does not mean you are running the spread. Lining up in the pistol is simply a formation and not an offensive philosophy ala the spread or the west coast offense. You can line up in the pistol and still have a pro style scheme based off of that. When NFL qbs are in the shotgun, he still takes 3 or 5 step drops and deliver the ball once that back foot hits because of the timing the play calls for. In the spread, its very limited 3, 5, 7 step drops because the play is predicated on how the defense is playing and therefore timing is not the important thing. Why do you think their are question marks about whether or not Mariota can make the 3, 5 step drops. The spread is based on which is open first, the run or the pass or vice versa. Thats also why some spread WR have trouble adjusting to the nfl. They are not learning how to run all the routes in the route tree. They are not used to running precision timing routes. In the nfl, if the play calls for a 10 yard out route, the WR has to run a 10 yard out route. Not a 12 or 8 etc. because the QB will be throwing to a spot in most cases and running an incorrect route can result in one of the 18 ints Winston threw this year. Remember when Gruden first came to tampa? His offense didn’t even have a shotgun formation. A couple of years into his tenure, he added a shotgun. His philosophy on offense didn’t change (spread or the run and shoot). He simply added a formation. Green bay will not be running the spread because they add the pistol.
March 28th, 2015 at 10:04 pm
@lurker I didn’t mention Mariota, but he will need to protect himself when he runs for sure. Winston just can’t run, he can try and juke and hurdle NFL players but it wont end well. I get liking the guy but some of you fanboys need to realize he has some limitations, he is capable of getting hurt, just ask his ankle. Winston is not a mobile QB.
March 28th, 2015 at 10:06 pm
“Yeah, because landing the best player in the draft (Williams) at #3 and adding a 2nd round pick would be such a nightmare. ”
When you need a quarterback as badly as the Bucs do, yes – that would be a nightmare. That’s a recipe for losing every game by a score that looks something like 13-7 or 17 to 7, etc…
March 28th, 2015 at 10:10 pm
Stupid move, that’s why the talking heads are just that. Make the pick and be done with it 🙂
March 28th, 2015 at 10:13 pm
Funny how the debate last year was centered around a Mobile quarterback vs Non Mobile Quarterbacks.
Everyone was barking– How the days slow footed quarterbacks like Manning, Brady, Rivers, Marino and Dan Fouts were done.
Their battle cry was…
“You gotta be a scrabbler in todays NFL- or Your Quarterback will get killed”
Remember that? Everyone wanted us to draft Johnny Manziel at all cost!
But you couldn’t question anything about the kid
-You couldn’t question his off the field antics
-You couldn’t question his passing mechanics
They would Quickly rebut you with
-HiS PASSER RATING WAS 70%”…
-HE’S GOT A CANNON FOR AN ARM
-HE’S A WINNER
-HE”S BETTER THAN DIPPING YOUR CIGAR IN COGNAC
A year later…
March 28th, 2015 at 10:19 pm
“Remember that? Everyone wanted us to draft Johnny Manziel at all cost!”
Not everyone LUV…certainly not me.
March 28th, 2015 at 10:43 pm
@87′
Your right brotha, last year If I remember —you were part of 10% of the fan base that did’t want to draft Johnny Boy.
March 28th, 2015 at 11:06 pm
+1 @ Tiny Tim
March 28th, 2015 at 11:15 pm
Hey Luv, I was about as anti johnny as the best of them….Winston though, Im all in! Not even wasting my time arguing why anymore (not to you) but to the other anti Winstons. Ive moved on to the 2nd pick already. And I hope its Cam Irving, but that’ll probably cost us to trade up.
If we can just stay put, its possible we’ll land a decent G/LT. I read where Ty Sambrailo was brought in by us for a workout. I think he’d be a solid choice and can play G or OT (might be reaching a little top of 2nd round tho). I also like Ali Marpet and hope he’s there in the 4th or 5th.
I sincerely think this O line is in need of some young talent that can grow together and gel while doing so along with Winston. Keeping Mankins can help with teaching the new guys, but I seriously dont like moving Dotson to LT for long. I hope we draft an LT and a G/C. We’re nowhere near ready for a playoff run even after drafting Winston if that O line doesnt come together for more protection and road grading.
March 28th, 2015 at 11:16 pm
so you think winston is an immobile quarterback? have you watched any of his games?
March 28th, 2015 at 11:29 pm
Here is what I DO know
Mariota had a 58 to 4 Total TD to INT LAST Year ALONE.
March 28th, 2015 at 11:31 pm
Mariota has thrown 105 TD Passes to only 14 INTs
Winston threw 25 TD Passes this yr to 18 INTs
March 29th, 2015 at 12:09 am
@MadMax
Whether or not– we draft Winston, Mariota, Williams- or trade down. MYLUV won’t be swayed either way.
March 29th, 2015 at 12:38 am
5yearoldsam-what are you even talking about. good god.I skim thru the comments and almost threw up in my mouth. man.
March 29th, 2015 at 12:45 am
Heres the deal. If The Bucs trade the pick to the Jags for there 1st overall pick and only pick up a 2nd round pick is stupid in itself. To trade the 1st overall and only pick up a 2nd. Than to think The Titans will choose MM over Winston again is just plain crazy. Winston is light years ahead of MM. Of course, The Titans will pick Winston. L&L is now Dumb and Dumber in this stupid nightmare.
March 29th, 2015 at 2:01 am
What is the bad history with Winston? Why would a team want to avoid him? He went 26-1 in college! 26 wins and 1 loss. The girl clearly lied about rape and was trying to be paid off! You all wanted Greg hardy who is going to be suspended for beating up women! You guys need to get your head out of your a $$es and see that clearly Winston is far superior to mariota. It’s almost impossible to find a mock draft without him going number 1 because 99% or more of analysts believe he’s the best quarterback in the draft.
Who should we pay attention to?
Joe?
Jbf commenters?
Or the people that get PAID MONEY to analyze draft prospects?
Easy answer. Thanks for reading
March 29th, 2015 at 4:29 am
Trade he 1st pick to the Jags, for BORTLES!!!!!!!!!
March 29th, 2015 at 5:29 am
I don’t think this scenario is as hair brained as it may sound. The Jags have been very aggressive in adding new players and getting a guy like Williams would be a huge boon for them. Trading down to 3 allows us to get whichever QB is still there (Mariota or Winston), AND we can use the extra pick to get a quality pass rusher and offensive lineman early in Round 2. Something to definitely consider!
March 29th, 2015 at 6:27 am
Here is what I DOknow Says : I haven’t seen too many Oregon games and I only go by stats…
March 29th, 2015 at 7:28 am
32 Days 12 hours 36 minutes and 41 seconds UNTIL…
My dream comes true. Who says dreams don’t come true?
When you wish upon a star
Makes no difference who you are
Anything your heart desires
Will come to you
If your heart is in your dream
No request is too extreme
When you wish upon a star
As dreamers do
Faith is kind
She brings to those she loves
The sweet fulfillment of
Their secret longing
Like a bolt out of the blue
Fate steps in and sees you through
When you wish upon a star
Your dreams come true
Jameis Winston you just won the Super Bowl, where are you going now?
I’m going to Disney World!
March 29th, 2015 at 7:33 am
Trading down to 3 for a top of the 2nd round pick would be DynOmyte !!!! Top of the 2nd round IS the sweet spot in the draft. Trading down would take all the second guessing and pressure out of which QB to take….perfect scenario…take one of the two top QB’s which no one other than FSU or Jameis Oranized Enablers (JOEs) think Jameis is actually the best of the 2 QBs
March 29th, 2015 at 7:38 am
Yes this is EXACTLY why they tanked the last game of the season and possibly more games. It was all to trade down…
Silly wishful thinking!
March 29th, 2015 at 7:56 am
87….and alot of posters here……the Jameis Organized Enablers (Joes)……ONLY care about taking Winston…at the expense of ALL
they are blined by whatever,blind non the less…..Jameis is NOT the consensus can’t miss Andrew Luck type of QB……he has limited college starting expirence….on field question marks and off field question marks…..they are content whistling past the graveyard
that said if the Bucs do choose Jameis the debate will be over for me and I’ll back him like anyother Buccaneer……Lurker …you can take your “find a new team”…and wipe you azz with it…..I have been a Bucs fan since walking into the first presason game in 76….when your mom was probably wiping your azz…if you were even born….grow up !
March 29th, 2015 at 8:18 am
@Luv, I hear you bro. I can still talk through things with you and a handful of others on here, just not the anti Winston crowd. I especially enjoy discussing our other potential picks.
March 29th, 2015 at 8:26 am
I became a fan in…of course 1987. The only thing that will make me walk away from this team or take long break from actually caring is if the trade down. There’s 2 QB’s choose one.
If you don’t take either one. I’ll still be a fan, but care much less. If Mariota and Winston go to other teams and light up the NFL. While our team is still sucking. That would be it for me. That would be the final dagger.
March 29th, 2015 at 8:29 am
Luv, I hear you bro. I can still talk through things with you and a handful of others on here, just not the anti Winston crowd. I especially enjoy discussing our other potential picks.
March 29th, 2015 at 8:40 am
sorry for the double post, the original was in moderation and those usually dont go through.