“They Are Not Big Fans Of His Personality”
March 19th, 2015
A prominent voice on the Buccaneers beat says Tampa Bay has a personality issue with one of this year’s elite quarterback prospects.
University of Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota isn’t the kind of leader team officials covet, Roy Cummings told Tom Veit on WHBO-AM 1040 yesterday.
“The other thing that [the Bucs] are not a big fan of, and you’re going to hear more about this, they are not big fans of his personality,” Cummings said of Mariota. “And you’ve got one very engaging guy with loads of charisma. He’s likeable when you get around him, in Jameis Winston. And then you’ve got another guy who’s very introverted, very quiet. He doesn’t really command your attention when you’re around him, a very quiet soft-spoken guy.
“The Bucs are looking at it and saying, you know, ‘I got a guy here that kind of grabs you by the throat when he’s in the huddle and says, ‘We’re going guys. We’ve got 82 yards to go. We’ve got a minute and 12 seconds to do it. We’re going to get there.’
“And then you’ve got another guy who, I don’t know what he says in the huddle, but it doesn’t come across that way, at least according to scouts it doesn’t.
“So I think the Bucs are in the camp that they’re a little bit concerned about that guy, not the face of the franchise, the leader of the football team. I think they want the leader who has more natural leadership abilities.”
Joe’s study of Mariota reveals a guy who is not trying to sell himself and a guy who is content to let his film and references do the talking.
That’s just fine, and that’s how it is for most draft picks, who don’t get the attention of a premier quarterback prospect.
But Mariota is a quarterback, in a league that’s driven on and off the field by QBs.
How Mariota approaches leadership and how that style might translate in the NFL is important. Apparently, the Bucs aren’t grading him well in that department.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:03 am
Mariota couldn’t show his leadership in the huddle because he doesn’t know how to lead or huddle
March 19th, 2015 at 10:05 am
So you are saying Mariota is a Lovie Smith kinda guy
March 19th, 2015 at 10:05 am
I really hate that line of thinking in terms of leadership. Effective leaders, from corporate, military, or sport, have all different personality type/styles.
It is a complete misnomer thinking that they have to be “in your face” in order to be effective. I’m sure if there was a study done in the NFL of the top 20 quarterbacks of all time you would find that their leadership styles were all across the board.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:07 am
If each and every guy in that huddle isn’t already motivated to win the game in that scenario than they don’t deserve to be in the huddle at all. Plain and simple.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:07 am
Lol, and hear it comes. The Mariota gang is going to start bashing Winston now. Even thought they’ve all said 1000 times they’re going to start up again about what a bad guy he is using the same old quotes.
If these guys were equal in talent I think I would go with Winston. Mariota basically has the opposite of the it factor. The dude seems like he is ready to fall asleep at any moment.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:08 am
Hahaha that’s the biggest load of crap Ive heard in a long time, cummings hasn’t said anything with substance since the glory days. Your actually trying to tell me that Lovoe wouldn’t like to have a quarterback with basically the same personality that he has!? Sounds like there some darts be thrown and hoping one will stick. Cmon man. Licht came out and gushed about Mariota just the other day about his high character and class. All he said about Jameis was ” he’s engaging”.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:08 am
What a surprise.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:11 am
Cummings swore up and down a week ago that Dashon Goldson would be released immediately after the signing of Chris Conte. I honestly think the guy makes stuff up just so people will pay attention to him.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:12 am
High character and class doesn’t when football games. Those are not even good football traits
March 19th, 2015 at 10:12 am
Thunder Sack,
Montana, Young, Favre, Bradshaw, Manning (Peyton, not Eli who has always taken a backseat to the defense in NY), Marino, Elway, Brady, Brees, and I’m sure I could go on were all vocal and natural leaders who didn’t have to force themselves to step up in front of the team.
Leadership styles can be of all different types, yes, but players in the NFL want to see that confidence when the game is on the line and know that they’re in good hands. The gridiron is not an office, and people are failing to see the difference in how the co-workers of each react to different leadership styles.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:15 am
Name me one successful contemporary QB who doesn’t have that fiery personality?? Eli Manning and…???
I agree that the idea of charisma can be overblown, but you also can’t ignore that almost all successful QB’s have a fiery alpha type A personality.
And that’s who I want running my offense….
March 19th, 2015 at 10:15 am
“The Bucs are looking at it and saying, you know, ‘I got a guy here that kind of grabs you by the throat when he’s in the huddle and says, ‘We’re going guys. We’ve got 82 yards to go. We’ve got a minute and 12 seconds to do it. We’re going to get there.’
I don’t know what game it was, perhaps the Notre Dame game. A team FSU was playing last season was on a drive to score the winning TD. I think FSU picked it off in the end zone or the WR dropped the ball and the game was over.
When asked about what was going through Winston’s mind while the other team was driving for the winning score.
Winston replied : It didn’t matter if they did score they would have left 16 seconds on the clock…
No quit in this kid. None.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:16 am
Yea cuz Russell Wilson who’s been to back to back Super Bowls is totally the kind of guy who will ” grab you by the throat” the dude is almost as soft spoken as Mariota. Get outta town Cummings and don’t come back
March 19th, 2015 at 10:18 am
It’s just common sense. History has nothing to do with this concept of this article. If you have 2 QBs, regardless of talent, 1 of them gets in your face and gets you excited and pumped when need be will get much more of a reaction out of his players than the laid back quiet almost shy guy every time. I know the haters though dont have much common sense.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:24 am
I just hope that the BUCS make a big mistake and select Mariota
March 19th, 2015 at 10:27 am
DallasBuc Says
“So you are saying Mariota is a Lovie Smith kinda guy”
Always trying to troll.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:29 am
Call me crazy, but it’s one of the selling points of Lovie Smith that he’s soft spoken leader?
That he commands attention with his leadership, doesn’t need to shout and curse?
Wasn’t that also the reason everyone loved Coach Dungy?
Team Glazer seems to like Soft spoken leaders.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:29 am
Supersam Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 10:16 am
Yea cuz Russell Wilson who’s been to back to back Super Bowls is totally the kind of guy who will ” grab you by the throat” the dude is almost as soft spoken as Mariota. Get outta town Cummings and don’t come back
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If you’ve watched much of Russell Wilson, he’s a very vocal leader. He doesn’t just sit back quiet on the sideline with his helmet on he’s constantly walking around motivating his guys when necessary.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:29 am
Thank god someone finally said what I’ve been thinking all along. This guy has the personality of a dead fish and has no fire in his belly. He seriously reminded me of Josh Freeman, a guy that looked so out of place in a public setting. Jameis is far from perfect, but dude commands a room with that strong personality. I want my QB to have swag and Jameis has it and Marcus doesn’t.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:29 am
Bucfan4life Says
“Lol, and hear it comes.”
We truly value the deep insights of someone who does not know the difference between “hear” and “here”.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:32 am
high character and class doesn’t win football games?
Have you looked at Mariota’s W-L ratio?
March 19th, 2015 at 10:32 am
Personally, I think this is stretching things a bit. Cummings wants Winston, and so he is finding any reason to support the pick he can…just like any of us.
I believe the pick will be Winston, but I don’t believe it should be Winston.
I believe within 2 years, the same outspoken personality people like now will be frowned upon, because he will be mouthing off to the coaches, players, fans and press if he’s not winning.
Just like certain other busts.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:33 am
and im sorry, but aaron rogers doesn’t get all hot and bothered….something tells me they listen to him. This is a crock of s%it and cummings is a fool…
March 19th, 2015 at 10:34 am
This is a flat out stupid criticism.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:34 am
Supersam Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 10:16 am
Yea cuz Russell Wilson who’s been to back to back Super Bowls is totally the kind of guy who will ” grab you by the throat” the dude is almost as soft spoken as Mariota. Get outta town Cummings and don’t come back
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Totally false. Its obvious you have never seen an interview with Wilson and the confidence he presents. You never saw the interview he had with Michael Irvin on the nfl network. Irvin asked him how did you become a starter as a rookie when the team already had Tavaris Jackson and just paid Matt Flynn a ton of money. Wilson response, you got to make them believe you can get the job done. You gotta make the receivers feel you can get them the ball. Mike look at you…….you think I can get you the ball right now. Irvin’s response.. I sure do!!! Definitely an alpha dog Russell Wilson is. FYI…………Mariota is no Russell Wilson
March 19th, 2015 at 10:35 am
This is the first definitive report…either positive or negative…into the Bucs’ thinking on the Quarterback prospects……all others, you could read them to favor either QB. If this is credible (arguable) then this is a very clear indication that they are deliberately paving the way for Winston to be the pick.
If this is simply an opinion based on an unreliable source or someone thinking out loud and Cummings misreading it, then he should be run out of town.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:37 am
This is one of my biggest reasons as to why I made the change to wanting Winston. Our team has leaders. Problem is, they are all lead by example type guys. You have to have a few vocal leaders on the team. Aside from McCoy, we just don’t have that. Mariota will be a better fit on a team that has vocal leaders, where he can just be himself. I still believe he is going to have a good career in the NFL. I just don’t think he’s a good fit for us.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:40 am
@Supersam,
Dude, seriously? Are you trying to honestly compare Mariota’s personality to Russell Wilson? For real, you’re just joking right? Please tell me that was a joke.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:41 am
and that’s why they are bunch a losers over there at One Buc Place…
i need to try to sell the Glazers some swamp land. All it takes for them to fall in love with you is Attitude (Raheem, Winston, etc. etc.). What a bunch of idiots.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:42 am
just come out and say the guy is boring already lol everyone already knows it. but whats more important we already have a boring quarterback on the roster in mike glennon, my goodness everytime the camera flashes to this guy on the sideline his mouth is open for no reason like his teeth are in the way. I wouldn’t call mariotta timid by any means but just listen to the guy talk as if getting drafted is no big deal and if you are the bucs with the first pick overall and a guy doesn’t think it’s a big deal to go first but to go to the right team, he clearly doesn’t want to come here or think he would succeed here. I think he’s smart and probably knows the only place he wont get exposed is in chip Kelly’s system
March 19th, 2015 at 10:45 am
lol Zam you realize your calling billionaires idiots right? it’s obvious the Glazers know nothing about scouting football talent but do you honestly think they have an issue with scouting personality? they were rich beforehand which is how their father was able to buy this team in the first place, money isn’t the only thing passed down from generation to generation.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:45 am
@Tiny Tim
Except that Wilson did not start out that way. He was totally shy out out college. Soft spoken. That’s one of the reasons he fell in the draft.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:45 am
Some teams may need a “grab you by the throat” kind of guy. Personally, I prefer the kind of QB a that can keep his head and his wits about him and get guys to focus on the task at hand. Confidence comes from results, from knowing you have the tools to be successful….not from some phoney-baloney, rah-rah speech! College kids may need to get pumped up that way to win…do you think V-Jax or GMC, or Lavonte David, or Logan Mankins or any of our veteran players need a QB to “grab a guy by the throat” to get them to win?
March 19th, 2015 at 10:46 am
“All it takes for them to fall in love with you is Attitude”
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SMDH. Maybe it might also have something to do with him being the first Freshman to ever win the Heisman running a pro style offense, no? Maybe it might have something to do with him only losing 1 game in 2 years? Maybe it might have something to do with him being widely considered the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck? Some people really need to think before they hit “Submit Comment”.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:48 am
Tampabaybucfan Says
“This is the first definitive report…either positive or negative…into the Bucs’ thinking on the Quarterback prospects…”
Actually, no it isn’t. Does Cummings name a source? Does he provide proof that this is the Bucs thinking? No. Because it is actually Cummings opinion, not actually supported by facts. He’s trying to put himself into the heads of the Bucs.
So it is NOT a definitive report.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:49 am
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 10:45 am
@Tiny Tim
Except that Wilson did not start out that way. He was totally shy out out college. Soft spoken. That’s one of the reasons he fell in the draft.
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False again. He feel in the draft because he was short. He was named the starter going into training camp. The man took over the locker room from day 1. Nice try though
March 19th, 2015 at 10:52 am
“Except that Wilson did not start out that way. He was totally shy out out college. Soft spoken. That’s one of the reasons he fell in the draft.”
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Sorry Banzai, but I 100% disagree. It’s just simply not true. I went back and looked at several scouting reports before I typed this, and his leadership (if mentioned) was only mentioned as a positive. If you can find otherwise, please let me know. I read 3 different ones that stated how he commands the huddle and is a natural leader. Not sure how you determined the exact opposite. The weaknesses stated for him was his size, and his inaccuracy on the deep ball.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:52 am
do you think V-Jax or GMC, or Lavonte David, or Logan Mankins or any of our veteran players need a QB to “grab a guy by the throat” to get them to win?
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If our 2-14 record doesnt answer your question, then I dont know what will.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:57 am
Thanks for wasting my time with this garbage.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:57 am
Mariota is nothing like wilson. Wilson has that alpha personality. Hes a competitor. ….I don’t see that in Marcus. I see a good guy but I dont see that toughness.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:58 am
I can’t think of a single example of a soft-spoken Hall of Fame quarterback. Not one.
And I can’t think of a single example of a spread quarterback transitioning to the NFL and being a franchise quarterback. Not one. (And don’t give the Brees and Rodgers examples. Those offenses were based on pro passing concepts, not read options from the quarterback position.)
March 19th, 2015 at 11:00 am
Couch Fan Says:
If our 2-14 record doesnt answer your question, then I dont know what will
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that about sums up the commentary posts and couch fan just told everyone who we will draft if we draft a quarterback. not that it matters what is said because some of you are still in denial. now is the perfect time for lovie to take leave and come back from vacation on April 31st, he is not needed for round 1 of the draft
March 19th, 2015 at 11:00 am
To echo the above responses… Supersam, have you EVER seen a Russell Wilson interview? Jeesh, if either of these guys is more like Wilson from a competitive personality standpoint it is Jameis Winston HANDS DOWN.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:02 am
do you think V-Jax or GMC, or Lavonte David, or Logan Mankins or any of our veteran players need a QB to “grab a guy by the throat” to get them to win?
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See what you don’t get is maybe Lavonte David is going to be great just because he is that talented. You are not trying to motivate David, you are trying to motivate/elevate the games Omameh, Mcdougal, stocker etc. The greats know how to make those around them better ala Brady. That is what an alpha dog brings to the table. Your presence and confidence elevates the C level players on your team to become B level players.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:03 am
Jameis Winston is going to be drafted by the Bucs and there’s not a damn thing any of you can do about it.
Period. Get over it. Move onto the 2nd rounder already.
Game over. Period.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:04 am
Couch…we were 2-14 last year because we were not talented enough. We were 2-14 because we had no Offensive Coordinator. We were 2-14 because we had no pass rush. We were 2-14 because our offensive line was horrendous. We were 2-14 because our 35 year old, hand picked, career journeyman QB (who had played in a grand total of 11 games in the previous 5 years) kept throwing INTs instead of TDs. And we were 2-14 last year because of poor coaching! No amount of “throat grabbing” was going to change that! Sorry, but that argument holds no water!
March 19th, 2015 at 11:05 am
I said this to my fiance based on interviews / etc I’ve seen. The guy has no charisma or moxy and sorry if I’m old fashioned but I want my QB to be an alpha male egotistical bad a** mother f**ker.
The only single QBs I can think of without that type of vocal leadership are Eli Manning & Jay Cutler. Every other QB that’s been great has been a fiery personality (Manning, Brady, Favre, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, etc).. all the greats have that trait.
I honestly wish I liked Mariota more; just in case we did pick him; but doing more research and seeing his interviews has only made me feel worse about the idea of selecting him.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:07 am
Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:11 am
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March 19th, 2015 at 11:16 am
Tiny Tim
so basically your are saying don’t try and motivate your stars because they are good and can’t do better. they are all maxed out.
dude you are so not getting it. all players from stars to bench warmers can get fired up and try and reach another level. you are more or less saying only motivate the mediocre or below average players to make them good and don’t try and bring the GREAT out of a star… short sighted.
my biggest gripe about 8 is he does not make people around him better. leaders like Winston, do make people around them better. everyone can get better including McCoy and Vincent. Pushing people to their limits is part of making people around you better. It does not make mariota or glennon bad guys but it is not a good quality for your starting qb.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:17 am
Your right jeagon. Despite all that, we lost 10 games by 7 points or less.
It’s crazy to think that if we actually had someone to grab a guy by the throat in the 4th quarter and demand them to do their job, that we might of actually won more games.
Sorry I guess my insanity is getting the better of me. SMH
March 19th, 2015 at 11:19 am
Will see if jamis can back up his mouth in the NFL level. I’m sure there might be a few who are going to want to knock that chip off his shoulder. We will see.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:19 am
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March 19th, 2015 at 11:24 am
That make a lot of sense. Only fiery quarterbacks win. I mean look at Rodgers, Eli Manning and Wilson. I get the spread offense being a concern in the NFL but people are grasping at straws with Mariota. Belicheat is the biggest robot in the NFL and he has players running through a brick wall for him. I understand why Mariota doesn’t care for the media. The more a player talks the more it is over analyzed.
With all the doubt that has been cast Mariota’s way he is going to have quite the chip on his shoulder to be successful in the NFL.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:26 am
Personality might make a difference but Mariota played for a big college football program and people didn’t seem to question his leadership. Over-scrutinizing is part of the draft process.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:26 am
MTM…they both will have chips on their shoulder.
Mariota for all the talk about his shyness and his fall in the draft.
Winston, because the world hates him.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:27 am
I’ve been waiting for a news piece like this for quite a while because I have been turned off by Mariota’s personality ever since the Combine. For those who thinks Winston’s personality and leadership qualities are not valuable, take a look at the top quarterbacks like Peyton Manning Tom Brady, and Drew Brees, who get in the face of their teammates when the game is on the line and it really is necessary. They have their teammates respect and will bring out even better performances from them than they might do on their own.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:29 am
Gee, we lost 10 games by 7 points or less…do we get some kind of asterisk next to our record for that? We lost for the reasons I pointed out above! You don’t get style points in the NFL. Maybe we would have won a few more games if we had been more talented? Or had a QB the team actually believed in? You think if McCown would have grabbed Evans by the throat be fore he threw a bunch of INTs, that would have changed anything? Would that have gotten us another win or two? I understand….you want a fiery, outspoken, charismatic QB. That’s fine! I prefer a guy who stays cool and calm! We can agree to disagree, but don’t think that you can rewrite last season by saying we would have won more games “if there had just been more throat grabbing going on”.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:30 am
@Twizzylax Says:
“Montana, Young, Favre, Bradshaw, Manning (Peyton, not Eli who has always taken a backseat to the defense in NY), Marino, Elway, Brady, Brees, and I’m sure I could go on were all vocal and natural leaders who didn’t have to force themselves to step up in front of the team.
Leadership styles can be of all different types, yes, but players in the NFL want to see that confidence when the game is on the line…”
Montana was a jokester and cool under pressure. Brady is fiery. Marino was just an asshole. Brees is a teacher. All of these guys were leaders, but had different styles of leadership. Each was confident in their method.
What I am alluding to is Mariotta may be soft spoken and introverted off of the field, but can command respect on it. Look at the great CB Woodson. He very rarely spoke in the locker room or on the field, but was considered one of the greatest defensive leaders.
Not everyone needs a maniac yelling at them to get motivated to win in their profession. They need someone that they believe in.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:31 am
And here I was believing all the reports that stated that he fell because of his size.
Weird.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:31 am
they both have red flags…neither a sure thing, so…. trade down, trade mariota to philly or it’s “L.Williams welcome to Tampa”…
March 19th, 2015 at 11:32 am
Rodgers not fiery? Crazy talk.
Willson not a leader? Not to the degree that the real greats in the game are right now. They win with defense, not offense. And there are few people who think he’s one of the games truly great players. i sure don’t.
Manning? Perhaps, but he’s not typical is he? And he’s sure not consistent, either. I don’t think of him as a great NFL player. He’s great at times, for sure. Way too inconsistent.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:34 am
Jeagan1999
A LOSS is a LOSS… Stop trying to justify a garbage job by lovie and a garbage roster… bucs are not on the verge. raise your standards. and yes a players fire and desire can change everything or sports would not be so passionate nor would fans be. You are trying to think like spock instead of factoring in emotion and human nature, you maybe right from a purely text book stand point but in the real world you are dead wrong. emotions, attitudes all factor in.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:36 am
Seriously all the examples listed are horrible besides Eli Manning or Jay Cutler.
Rodgers/Wilson/etc are all very vocal in your face leaders. They all interview with extreme amounts of confidence and personality
March 19th, 2015 at 11:36 am
Russ W. and A-Rodge aren’t always in your face either. But they do take responsibility when things go wrong.
“Calm the *&^@ down or i’ll bench you.”
Fisher to Blameless
March 19th, 2015 at 11:36 am
Mariota is a nice guy. He would be a good leader of the USA lady’s gymnastics. Give me a voice for our football team.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:38 am
Miguel grande Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 11:34 am
“I think MM is like Leroy Selmon (quiet leader) while JW is like Warren Sapp.”
Go figure Sapp’s my favorite Buc of all time. No wonder why I want Jameis.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:38 am
Jeagan1999 please agree to disagree because couch fan is taking you to school on this topic. the quarterback holds the ball more than any given player in the sport, if he’s the guy who’s grabbing guys by throat saying im going on to a victory and if I have to drag you kicking and screaming your coming with me then yea that would have changed a 2-14 record. Who are players going to follow GMC or the quarterback. theres a reason why they call quarterbacks the face of the franchise aka CEO. the only one saying GMC is the leader of this team is GMC
March 19th, 2015 at 11:39 am
Glad to see someone finally said what they really feel.
I’ll be looking for your username after he’s on the team and we’re winning…
March 19th, 2015 at 11:42 am
@SuperSam
You could not be more wrong on Russell Wilson…Wilson is my favorite non-Buccaneer in the league…been following the kid since Wisconsin…is he as loud and flamboyant as Winston? No he isn’t…but he is very outspoken and commands a huddle like no other. Winston has a different way of going about it, but they’re both very outspoken leaders with master motivational skills.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:49 am
stop with the Russell Wilson love on jbf the dude is an average quarterback but he is in the 4th quarter what mike glennon is on about 5 plays only in the first quarter
March 19th, 2015 at 11:50 am
Lol why are you changing the entire topic. Any team that acquires more talent can win easier. Thats common sense. but that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
We are talking about the personality of the two QBs in question. You are in denial if you dont believe that there is a good chance that we could of won a lot more games last year with a guy that has Winston’s personality. The grab you by the throat kind of guy that will demand you do your job, hold you accountable and at the same time pump up the whole team. We could of ABSOLUTELY used that last year. Keep trying to twist the subject…
March 19th, 2015 at 11:50 am
How’d LeeRoy ever make ?
March 19th, 2015 at 11:52 am
“I’ll be looking for your username after he’s on the team and we’re winning…”
you know they will just change it and deny, deny, deny.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:53 am
Oh and btw, Winston is money in the 4th qrt, so you can stop with the silly INT argument.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:53 am
Ya who wants a hard working Humble guy around
March 19th, 2015 at 11:54 am
“Ya who wants a hard working Humble guy around”
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I’d rather have a hard working guy who leads and has confidence. And being able to take a snap from under center would be nice to. But that’s just me.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:55 am
tmaxcon……I’m not trying to justify anything…merely pointing out to Couch and a few others that a fiery “throat grabbing” QB would not have made much difference last year. Simple fact is, the Bucs were under-talented, badly coached and in several games completely manhandled! I think many confuse attitude and emotion….emotion is how you feel inside….attitude is how you act outside! All of Marcus Mariota’s former coaches and team mates have nothing but positive things to say about his attitude and leadership as the Ducks QB. In fact, here are some of the words and phrases I found in articles about him…”unflappable”, “confident”, “he has the pulse of the team”, “always calm, even when we are losing”, “a true leader”, “never gets rattled”, “consistent”, “a competitor”, “makes playing QB look effortless”….these are all things Mariota’s coaches and players said about him. He may not show a fiery or combative attitude everyday, but his team loved him and his success (36-5 in 41 career starts) is undeniable! im fine with his “attitude” showing and not his “emotions”!
March 19th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Curtis Gatorboy Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 11:37 am
Wow, were really going to draft the black thug. smh
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I’ve been waiting for this. I always knew this was in you from your posts. So glad you put it out there for everyone to see. This is the kind of stuff that Eric talks about. I don’t agree with everything he says but you put his comments right out in front. Thanks keyboard racist guy.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
tmaxcon Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 11:16 am
Tiny Tim
so basically your are saying don’t try and motivate your stars because they are good and can’t do better. they are all maxed out.
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Thats not what I said at all. My point was great players are great just because they are. Jerry Rice did not need any motivating. He was internally driven. The day after they won the superbowl, Steve Young went to the facility and Rice was on the practice field running routes. Not all players are like that. Thats where Winston comes into play. Trust me, I am well aware that stars will also gravitate to Winston. My point is, its the c level guys becoming b level is where you see the impact of an Alpha dog ala Sapp, Brady, Ray Lewis etc. McCoy is going to his pro bowl self with or without Jameis Winston. Get it?
March 19th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
You could say Joe Montana and Aaron Rodgers have quiet personalities to name a few. Leadership is something that is earned over time. McCown was supposedly a leader that men will follow, but look how that turned out. If Mariota or Winston perform at a high level, then players will follow. It has nothing to do with how quiet one is.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:03 pm
All of Marcus Mariota’s former coaches and team mates have nothing but positive things to say about his attitude and leadership as the Ducks QB
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Of course they do. Nobody is going to have an issue with the guy that helps there team win games by 30+ points on a routine basis. Unfortunately thats not going to happen in the NFL. How is Marcus going to react when he has to routinely has to play extremely well in tight games in 4th Qrt? How is his leadership going to be? You can’t answer that because we didnt get a chance to see that form him in college. According to his 2-3 record in games decided by 7 points or less…. not good. Winston, 7-0…
But aye, let’s still pretend Mariota would absolutely be able to pull it off in the NFL.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:06 pm
This is not the 1st time that I have heard the Bucs are very enamored with Winston’s natural and strong leadership qualities.
If the personalities were reversed, I would still take Winston because his skillset is better suited to the NFL.
But when you add strong, fiery, positive leadership qualities to an attribute list which includes Big strong frame, Strong arm but also throws with a lot of touch, throwing accuracy with great anticipation, great escapability with very functional mobility, incredible football knowledge, hard worker and serious student of the game, proven clutch play when the game is on the line….
This pick is truly a no brainer. And that’s not a knock on Mariota who is a very good prospect in his own right. Winston is just that good.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:07 pm
Dan Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 10:07 am
If each and every guy in that huddle isn’t already motivated to win the game in that scenario than they don’ t deserve to be in the huddle at all.
I see your point. But a 30-70 record doesnt look like they have been inspired or motivated. Freeman, Glennon, McCown all pretty quiet guys that wouldnt take control and lead. Time for a change maybe?
March 19th, 2015 at 12:09 pm
It’s laughable how so many of you truly have no idea what a vocal leader is. Obviously many of you didn’t play sports growing up. It’s even more laughable that so many of you are citing examples of what you see as quiet leaders, but those are the very guys who are incredibly vocal (Rodgers, Wilson, etc.). You are doing a very poor job arguing your point, but there’s really no sense in arguing with you, since you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. But by all means, carry on.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:11 pm
Hey you guys have won me over to Fameis unless Buc Brass decides on MM.
But some of this stuff is getting ridiculous.
Based on this theory Joe Montana must have been a horrible leader!
And Russell Wilson is Mike Glennon? Russell Wilson is not a good QB just average?
Do none of you believe in the old adage..SCOREBOARD. Russell Wilson laughs at you people who denigrate him as he polishes one SB ring and wistfully thinks what could have been if Carroll had called Wilsons number on a roll to the right with a pass option.
Wilson SHOULD be polishing TWO SB rings and yet you guys call him average.
Again you’ve won me over to Fameis but if the choice at this very moment was Wilson or Fameis I gotta go Wilson!!! Scoreboard!!!
March 19th, 2015 at 12:12 pm
The problem with the in your face type of quarterback is… losing. Players who are use to winning have a hard time handling losing and tend to have melt downs on the side lines with other players. There comes a point it which it can get sideways very quickly. If Winston is drafted he will need to curb that behavior in the NFL until he has built up some respect from the offensive veterans or somebody will blow him up quickly.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:16 pm
Where is the poster Joenuts who tried to call me out because I called Curtis gatorboy racist pig on another thread. Joenuts actually said “there you go pulling the race card.” I wonder what Joenuts thinks now that curtis gatorboy called Jameis a “black thug” on this thread. I wonder if he still wants to defend this tool. Joenuts the ball is in your court. I would really like to know what you think now.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
@MTM,
You know what, I’m okay with it. For quite a while now, we’ve had a bunch of guys that seem to be okay with losing. I remember being at a couple games lately where we were getting absolutely thrashed (Baltimore, Atlanta, SF a few years ago) that I was begging for some players to get into it on the sidelines. I wanted to see that someone cared enough to get in other’s faces. Losing shouldn’t be acceptable, and more power to a guy that won’t accept it. It sure as hell beats crying in a press conference. But again, that’s probably just me.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:19 pm
StPeteBucsFan Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 12:11 pm
Hey you guys have won me over to Fameis unless Buc Brass decides on MM.
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Welcome to the light. What took so long? Better late than never I guess. There is plenty of room on this wagon for you and many more. lol
March 19th, 2015 at 12:19 pm
HawaiianBuc…they nitpick ANYTHING Jameis Winston.
Sewing circle.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
Couch…thank you! At least you bring up something tangible. Mariota’s record in close games! This is something that you can absolutely point to as concrete evidence of performance…and not some silly hypothetical that the BUCS would have won more games with a “throat grabbing” QB last year.
It is a fair point you bring up! Mariota never had that many really close games, so how do we think he will handle them? For that matter how will Jameis handle them. evidence would seem to indicate that Winston has the upper hand here. I agree! But to a larger extent, it’s all somewhat of a giant unknown…..I’m sure the teams that drafted Jamrcus Russell, Akili Smith, Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf, Blaine Gabbert, etc… Thought they would perform much better in the NFL a than they did. Moving from college to the NFL is a big change and doesn’t always work out. I like Mariota over Winston because I feel his athleticism (especially with our substandard offensive line), decision making (only 1 INT per 80 attempts, as opposed to 1 in every 30 attempts for Winston) and arm talent, make him a great young QB to build around….and let’s face it…the Bucs are rebuilding, despite what Jason Licht may say. I’d settle for Winston, but I’d prefer MM.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:22 pm
Curtis Gatorboy Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 12:19 pm
“Im racist because I dont want this THUG on the team?! Get real!”
You have nothing to worry about remember you have family at One Buc that told you the pick will be Mariota….
March 19th, 2015 at 12:23 pm
We tried the softspoken QB, his name was Josh Freeman, the NFL chewed him up and spit him out.
The last QB that we had that would get in his teammates faces led us to the playoffs, his name was Jeff Garcia.
The pick could not be more obvious.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
If NFL executives are tying Mariota’s easy-going personality to his leadership skills, than they know less than we originally thought. If anything, the look-at-me personality can have a greater negative effect on leadership than being laidback. True leaders know when to vocalize and when to step back and allow others to take the spotlight. This is the pros and college rah-rah leadership doesn’t cut it.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
Winston and the Noles blew every team out in 2013. I think 2014 did wonders for this kid having to come back so many times. It prepared him more for the NFL and especially the Bucs.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
Youre right 87! They confirmed it too! The glazers arent investing in the POS jameis.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:25 pm
Anyone think maybe there was a reason why Oregon never won a National Championship with all their talent and speed????
March 19th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
“They Are Not Big Fans Of His Personality”
your silly if you think the bucs are the only team that have this same concern about marcus mariotta….this is the time of year you pick at every little negative aspect of a players game and you talk about how this or that could possibly affect the team. I could easily argue that if this is a legitimate concern around the league then this team does not need a quarterback with a soft spoken personality. they need a guy like Winston because they need a guy with balls that plays like his hair is on fire because that is no one on our defense. personally I think the only guy that plays with an attitude was drafted last year
Mike Evans needs a quarterback that has the same tough attitude as him….we have enough soft spoken quiet leaders. not saying mariotta is no good, he could be a great quarterback but this team needs something different
March 19th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
Curtis…so why bother posting anymore crap then, about how you don’t want him on your team?
I see no point to keep doing it, if you have nothing to fear anymore.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:31 pm
“Jameis Winston’s Moment” By Mitch Sherman | ESPN Recruiting 2011
“By midweek in Malibu, Winston had emerged as one of the most notable quarterbacks in camp, with his undeniable skills, competitiveness and a buoyant personality. The staff ranked him as the No. 1 performer through Thursday. The Elite 11 MVP, given to the top QB, is handed out on Friday.”
“But back to that game-changing first night. Winston sat on his bed, exhausted, and studied the playbook. When Trent Dilfer, the former Super Bowl-winning quarterback who serves as head coach to Elite 11 participants, made a second round of bed checks, he found Winston engulfed in the pages.”
“Dilfer made a note of the time: 1:12 a.m.”
“He manned up,” Dilfer said. “The next day, his eyes were bleeding he was so tired. But he was killing it. He didn’t have to say anything, but his actions told me, ‘Let me show you I’m not just a gifted athlete. I’m a surgeon.”
Winston gets it at age 17.
“He’s got this infectious personality,” Dilfer said. “A lot of people use the term leadership, but I like guys who are comfortable in their own skin. That’s Jameis. He came in a little unprepared, and he admitted it. But he’s got a real presence to him. I’ve been real proud of him.”
March 19th, 2015 at 12:31 pm
“Im racist because I dont want this THUG on the team?! Get real!”
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It’s so funny to see racists deny they are in fact racists. So in your brain, you think it’s totally fine to say “black thug”? You’re a much bigger POS than Jameis.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:36 pm
“Im racist because I dont want this THUG on the team?! Get real!”
lol your the one giving Steven A. Smith ammunition to say the stupid things he says
March 19th, 2015 at 12:40 pm
I agree Jeagen. I’m not against Mariota. I like the guy and feel in a few years he could be very good. I am just against him at #1. I would much prefer Winston, especially since we just had a guy like Mariota (personality wise) with Freeman and that didnt work out very well. I LOVE Winston’s personality. I’m not saying the whole grabbing a guy by the throat will absolutely help us win, but its something we’ve never had before, and it certainly can’t hurt that he can pump the guys around him up.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:41 pm
87, Im posting to give you guys info. You all are delusional and listen to all the media slurp Jameis up.
I have connects and im trying to share info.
Yet you all call me a racist. wow.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:42 pm
@bucs4lyfe
Jameis gave the same response to that question when asked.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:43 pm
Curtis…I’m not calling you a racist. I’m calling you a lying moron.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:43 pm
Buc1987 Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
Winston and the Noles blew every team out in 2013. I think 2014 did wonders for this kid having to come back so many times. It prepared him more for the NFL and especially the Bucs.
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I agree ’87. Jameis and the FSU team as a whole faced a # of challenges last year that just were not present in 2013. And Winston is a much more prepared QB as a result. In a way – I was glad to see him getting heat and having to make throws with pressure right in his face or escape the pocket to buy time and still make the play downfield. These experiences and his success in facing them with a less than stellar surrounding cast last year left Jameis much more prepared to come play for the Bucs than if he had just sat in a comfortable pocket most the time and picked the defenses apart throwing to Greene and Benjamin all day like we saw so often in 2013.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
I’m guessing here, and maybe Joe will divulge the actual number (though I doubt it), but I’m guessing 60% of this sites hits in the last two years relate to the Johnny/Jameis Watches. Joe could literally just post a headline, with no article, and the comment section would get 150 comments. 87 alone has to make up a good 40% of all Jameis comments on this site the last year.
Far, far, far from true. Jameis/Johnny may generate a lot of comments, but near the middle or bottom when it comes to views/clicks. –Joe
March 19th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
@Curtis,
So just curious, do you really believe you have connections better than all the reporters, both national and local? Are we to believe that you have inside knowledge that no one else has been able to uncover? Wow, you really are an important person. It must really pay to be a racist POS.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:48 pm
This “debate” has now become completely idiotic. Nothing but a bunch of fans making fools out of themselves on both sides. I stuck it out until the draft during the Johnny Rehab articles, not sure I can do the same with the Winston articles.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:49 pm
I once again would like to apologize for the juvenile comments from my gator breathren. Were not all like that. Just embarrissing.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
87 and Hawaiian, you 2 are rude as it gets. attacking me for nothing. no wonder you two are in love with winston
March 19th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
“Curtis Gatorboy Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 11:37 am
Wow, were really going to draft the black thug. smh”
Why don’t you use the real word you are thinking? Just go ahead and say it. We all know what you mean by ” black thug”.
At least have the balls to say it.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:52 pm
Interesting that you switched sides Hawaiian. Just a few months ago you and I had an argument where you heavily defended Mariota and I defended Winston. Now I lean Mariota and you lean Winston.
March 19th, 2015 at 12:52 pm
no clue what youre talking about Warrick dunn
March 19th, 2015 at 12:54 pm
Walksdaplank GETS IT! Go marriotta! PASS ON THE THUG!!!!!
March 19th, 2015 at 12:54 pm
Couch….glad we can see eye to eye on this. I think you and I, like most Bucs fans, just want a competitive team that we can be proud to root for. The last few years have not been fun by any means! Winston andMariota both are good looking prospects….different kinds of game and personalities…but both winners! To use an old tennis analogy, Mariota is more Bjorn Borg (cool and calm) while Winston has more Jimmy Connors or John McEnroe in him (fiery and charismatic). I hope they both succeed in the NFL and I will watch both intently, no matter which teams they go to!
March 19th, 2015 at 12:56 pm
charactermatters Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 12:42 pm
@bucs4lyfe
Jameis gave the same response to that question when asked.
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fake Christian invading the entertainment industry
March 19th, 2015 at 1:01 pm
Curtis Gatorboy Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
“87 and Hawaiian, you 2 are rude as it gets. attacking me for nothing. no wonder you two are in love with winston”
Thank you I consider that a compliment from the likes of you.
I also don’t think it will be the last time I will have to be rude to some lying, moron, racist THUG during the course of Winston’s career in Tampa.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:02 pm
Curtis Gatorboy, you really just need to change your name to Curtis IdiotRacist, please do not drag all Gator fans down with you.
Since you don’t understand what makes you a racist, I will type it slowly… Calling someone else a Black Thug is NOT ok. #Curtis IdiotRacitst stole my car
March 19th, 2015 at 1:04 pm
Lovie Smith is my uncle and he said the Bucs are taking Winston.
So Curtis Lovie trumps your relative.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:06 pm
@Curtis,
So you don’t like being called names right? That’s rude of us, correct? Then why is it okay for you to call Jameis names? Have you ever met him? Why is it okay for you to do it, but not us?
March 19th, 2015 at 1:06 pm
Curtis…How does it feel to be a punching bag?
March 19th, 2015 at 1:09 pm
@MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank,
Oh yeah, I definitely changed sides. First of all in my defense, I always preceded my pro-Mariota views with me being biased because of the Hawaii connection. I still like Mariota, but I want us to draft Winston. To be honest, if we draft Mariota, I’ll literally be the very first one to buy his jersey. I’ll wait a while to buy Winston’s. Either way, I’ll cheer my arse off for both of them. But the more research I’ve done, the more Winston is the guy I want to lead our team. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I’ll man up. Something most on this site struggle with.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:10 pm
HawaiianBuc ….it’s the mere definition of hypocrite.
Spring break is almost over the kids will be back in school next week.
Curtis…when you go back to school walk up to the first black kid you see and call him a black thug, not just online. See how well it goes over. See just how rude you will be treated. Then see yourself to the nearest hospital.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:11 pm
@1987,
He’s loving every second of this. He would never call Jameis (or anyone else for that matter) a black thug to their face, so he loves the freedom he has by doing it with his keyboard. He’s a classic internet tough guy. Don’t want to mess with him, he’ll have his relatives take away your season tickets.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:17 pm
the winstonites will latch on to anything negative said about mariota. BLOOD SUCKERS! it will be so funny when lovie takes a defensive end.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:17 pm
Interesting story on PFT…Jameis Winston has scheduled as personal visit with the Titans. This could just be Tennessee doing its due diligence, or it could be that they (and maybe even other teams) are not convinced that he will go #1 to Tampa. The story points out that other college QBs have declined visit requests in the past…RGIII Refused a request to go to Indy, because everyone knew that they were taking Luck in the draft. Not quite sure what this means, but it is an interesting development!
March 19th, 2015 at 1:18 pm
@Curtis
“Walksdaplank GETS IT! Go marriotta! PASS ON THE THUG!!!!!”
At least spell MARIOTA’S name correct if that’s the QB you support…only 1 R and 1 T…
March 19th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
This is some lazy, garbage commentary by Cummings
March 19th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
@Curtis
And what is exactly is your definition of a THUG?
March 19th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
I was up this morning when the sun rose. I was more surprised about that than I was reading this article!!
March 19th, 2015 at 1:23 pm
Jeagan1999
Personally, I don’t think Mariota wants to play here and with people like Curtis I wouldn’t be surprised if Winston goes elsewhere too. At this point I’m not sure anyone wants to be here.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:29 pm
It might be a concern if this guy was coming into college and a big time program was thinking about signing him. That is exactly what happened so many programs missed on his talent and command of QB for this very reason. Boy did they ever make a mistake, his whole career so far has shown what a ridiculous mistake these programs have made except one, Oregon. They have been singing his praises ever since and I am sure have alleviated whatever issues teams might have. I would much rather have his personality leading then Winstons. Like Winston said he is about fun and Mariota is all business. I’ll take that to the bank every time. If Winston gets suspended for whatever infraction will occur and it will, baseballs right there for him as it always has been. No sweat off his brow.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:31 pm
DEFENSE NO WINSTON a.k.a. mikeh a.k.a. Meth Mike Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 1:17 pm
“the winstonites will latch on to anything negative said about mariota. BLOOD SUCKERS! it will be so funny when lovie takes a defensive end.”
You have obviously have NOT been a Bucs fan for all that long.
Whatever Buc fans that are left out there will revolt on Raymond James if they DON’T take a QB. Therefore you have no idea wtf you are talking abut as usual.
Why don’t people just keep the same screen name? Chicken shyte cowards?
March 19th, 2015 at 1:33 pm
No, you’re racist because you’re racist.
The fact that you called him a “black thug” just proves the FACT that you’re racist.
Are you also going to bring up Mariota’s fumble rate and sack rate? Or do those get swept under the rug?
The argument will be that football is a team game and MM can’t do it all by himself. They’ll also claim that OR didn’t have the same level of talent that FSU had when they won.
Thats just my guess.
Mariota fans hate Winston more than they like Mariota.
I think it means nothing.
If Winston would’ve declined the visit, then everyone would’ve said that he’s cocky for not even visiting with the team.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:33 pm
Smart, Cool, Calm, Collective, are these not at the top of the list for successful QB’s? Joe Montana’s nickname was Cool Joe, not fiery in your face Joe. 4 Super Bowls. Tom Brady is considered a whiner by opposing players, not really in your face. 4 Super Bowls. It takes all types
March 19th, 2015 at 1:34 pm
@ Josh P
Jameis is the Definition of a THUG!
March 19th, 2015 at 1:35 pm
lions …It’s all fine and dandy that you don’t think Mariota was a product of the Oregon scheme. Flash cards and no huddle mismatches.
The rest of us know better. Analysts and experts alike.
How many Oregon games have you watched?
I’ve watched 6….
March 19th, 2015 at 1:37 pm
Buccanstopit…you site Montana and not Brady?
Brady gets in O-linemen’s faces when they don’t block well enough for them.
Same as the WR’s for dropping balls.
Jameis will do the same.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:42 pm
Typical Gaytors fan….
Bwahahahahahahahahaha
March 19th, 2015 at 1:44 pm
Celly…I have gone on record saying that Mariota will have to address the fumbles! Just like I’ve also said that Winston will have to address his mechanics and INTs….NO COLLEGE QB IS PERFECT WHEN THEY ENTER THE NFL!
As for your ridiculous claim that I “hate Winston” because I pointed out the FACT that he will visit with the Titans in Nashville…you are full of it! I merely pointed out the story, and and stated that there could be different reasons why he was going there! I also said at the end…”Not quite sure what this means, but it is interesting.”
Dude, learn how to read or quit trying to paint everyone who would rather see Mariota as our QB as a “Winston hater”!
March 19th, 2015 at 1:44 pm
wow what a smoke screen and they like rape and shoplifting better
March 19th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
Brady gets in the refs faces same as manning and all the rest who have passion.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:47 pm
Russell Wilson is by NO means great. The Seahawks have an amazing defense and an amazing running game. They were 27th in passing YPG last year! That’s worse than the Bucs! Now I understand that he doesn’t have good receivers, but neither does Brady almost every year. Wilson is an average QB with a great team around him. That’s it.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:49 pm
wow what a smoke screen and they like rape and shoplifting better guess you have to much Cummings on your face
March 19th, 2015 at 1:51 pm
@Buc1987 Winston was in spread as well, some under center to hand off and 3 step drop that were not accurate throws. 4 quarter heroics for Winston were off the spread concept. Mariota can make all the NFL throws and has the character and talent. Those far outweigh what Winston has. Talent has never been the issue with both of these QB they have that. I think Mariota would be the best player and person to represent the Bucs and Tampa. Winston has no character.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:52 pm
Adown
After receiving some new information mainly watching NFL rewind I’d have to agree with you. Sea threw the ball the least out of all 32 teams. In the games I’ve watch he’s not extremely accurate and most time Lynch bails him. I was shocked cuz I thought he was a top 5 qb.
Mariota reminds me of Alex Smith and Winston reminds me of Phillip Rivers.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
Flash cards and no huddle mismatches.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
Curtisgator boy, I am a gator fan but I don’t let that get in the way of me knowing Jameis is by far the best QB we can get this year. Prior to Winston arriving on the scene how good were they Seminoles??? I can tell you nobody had them with a shot at the national championship and then BAM they win every game his first year win the national title and only lose in the playoff the 2nd year. The guy has threw a touchdown in every game he played. How many Bucs QB’s can you say that about LOL, probably none ever. We are currently LOSERS I WANT A WINNER. GET IT??????
March 19th, 2015 at 1:54 pm
@Celly
“The argument will be that football is a team game and MM can’t do it all by himself. They’ll also claim that OR didn’t have the same level of talent that FSU had when they won.”
Only problem with that argument is the fact that the FSU team that won the NCG in 2013 was pretty much the same roster as the team in 2012. They only major difference is 13′ had Winston and 12′ had Manuel..
March 19th, 2015 at 1:54 pm
Lions
I’m yet to hear anyone that has met Winston to say anything negative about him. On the contrary they seem rather gitty after meeting him.
March 19th, 2015 at 1:54 pm
Winston has no character?
Just remember you said that…
March 19th, 2015 at 1:56 pm
Winston gets it at age 17.
“He’s got this infectious personality,” Dilfer said. “A lot of people use the term leadership, but I like guys who are comfortable in their own skin. That’s Jameis. He came in a little unprepared, and he admitted it. But he’s got a real presence to him. I’ve been real proud of him.”
March 19th, 2015 at 1:58 pm
@Jeagan1999
The reason he’s going to Nashville is becuase he was invited. period. Bucs haven’t tipped their hand to any team yet. So right now all the top teams are doing their due diligence..
March 19th, 2015 at 2:01 pm
WS99 Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 1:52 pm
“Mariota reminds me of Alex Smith and Winston reminds me of Phillip Rivers.”
That’s not an unreasonable comparison. And Rivers was good in the NFL right away while Alex Smith took a looooooong time to fully develop.
March 19th, 2015 at 2:05 pm
Jameis Winston: A 360-Degree View of College Football’s Most Polarizing Figure
By Peter Kerasotis , Special to Bleacher Report
“I’m going to be good. I’m going great. Even better than I was last year. I’m going to be myself. I love football. I love this game. I haven’t set any individual goals, just team goals. First goal is to win the national championship.
“I’m constantly on guys. We all have to have that chip on our shoulder. It’s a new year, a new beginning. It starts with this camp, learning new plays. It’s going great. You’ve got to get better every day. You can’t live in the past.
“Fundamentals. Studying my game. Studying team chemistry. Never letting it go below our standards here at Florida State. We know we’re national champions, so we have to act like national champions in everything that we do. And we’re going to play like champions.
“I don’t think [the off-the-field problems] have been difficult. I’ve been doing what I do, keeping a smile on my face. Obviously, I was blessed to have baseball season to look forward to. And I’ve just been hitting my books, studying. I don’t have time to focus on bad things. … Focus on the positive, not the negative.
“I did have to learn that I have to be more guarded, but I’m always going to continue to be myself. That’s never going to change. People can have their opinions about me, but it’s about Florida State football.
“I’ve never thought about [winning a second Heisman Trophy]. It’s not about me. It’s about us.
“I’ve seen the kids and how they gaze at me. I’m thinking, I have an opportunity to change these little kids who come from where I came from, the bad neighborhoods. I have an opportunity for them, when they see me, to say they want to be like Jameis Winston.
“I have to realize that everything I do is going to be under a microscope, so I want to make sure those kids don’t see the bad side of things, they see the good side.
“It’s a good life, man. All eyes are on me. I don’t really have much to prove. But I have a family that needs me. I’m going to take care of the name on my back. Believe that.”
March 19th, 2015 at 2:06 pm
Josh P….that may very well be. But it could show that the Bucs may also be considering other options at #1 and have made no promises to Winston or his agent. I make no affirmations one way or the the other on what it means. I merely pointed out that in the story on PFT THEY seem to cast a little doubt on Winston’s status with the Bucs leadership. If I were a college QB, id meet with any team that wanted to have me in for a visit, but the story also states that it is not altogether uncommon for a prospect to turn down a visit if they feel it is a waste of time…like with RGIII and the Colts. We may not know for sure what this means until right before the darft!
March 19th, 2015 at 2:07 pm
Josh P Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
@Curtis
And what is exactly is your definition of a THUG?
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Any black man walking down the street.
March 19th, 2015 at 2:07 pm
ADown88,
Funny how you fail to mention that Wilson ran for 800 yards last year. He throws the ball very well, but more importantly, he leads that offense. Lynch is great in part because Wilson is a threat to run the ball. If the defense collapses on Lynch, Wilson will keep the ball and be running for a while. As a result, they have to honor Wilson, so Lynch is able to get a lot of yards. Now I’m not saying Lynch isn’t a good runner, because he absolutely is. But Wilson does make him better. Was Lynch a star in Buffalo? Was he a star before Wilson got there? Certainly not at the level he is now.
Wilson can truly do it all. He can run, he can throw from in the pocket, and he can throw on the run. Not to mention he is clutch. He doesn’t need to throw for 4000 yards, but that doesn’t mean he can’t. He wins games,which is his job. You fantasy football geeks can’t comprehend such facts.
March 19th, 2015 at 2:08 pm
calling the kettle black 87. been a bucs fan since they were est. you? im much older than you I bet. you little cry baby so how many names did you use for the Winston poll hmmmm I wonder? I have used 2. doubt you can say that. the only thing that spews out of your pie hole is Winston get a life you loser.
March 19th, 2015 at 2:14 pm
“I’m constantly on guys. We all have to have that chip on our shoulder. It’s a new year, a new beginning. It starts with this camp, learning new plays. It’s going great. You’ve got to get better every day. You can’t live in the past.” – Jameis Winston
This team needs to start playing with a chip on it’s shoulder and it starts with Jameis Winston.
He’s going to walk up to Jackson, Evans, the O-line and say you were 2-14 last season it’s time to play with a chip on your shoulder.
Or Let’s take ho hum golly gee Wally from Oregon.
Well guys we can do this and um, um, um let’s uh get this done uh.
March 19th, 2015 at 2:16 pm
lions Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 1:51 pm
@Buc1987 Winston was in spread as well, some under center to hand off and 3 step drop that were not accurate throws. 4 quarter heroics for Winston were off the spread concept.
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If I said it once on this board, I have said it 100 times. Just because you are in the shotgun does not mean you are running the spread. Jimbo runs a pro style offense period. Thats why the scouts can truly evaluate what Winston will be on the next level. Stop with the lying please.
March 19th, 2015 at 2:16 pm
Wilson can truly do it all. He can run, he can throw from in the pocket, and he can throw on the run. Not to mention he is clutch. He doesn’t need to throw for 4000 yards, but that doesn’t mean he can’t. He wins games,which is his job. You fantasy football geeks can’t comprehend such facts.
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I agree completely. I dont know how you can watch Wilson and come away with “he’s only average”. The guy is a star and I dont see that kind of game with Mariota. Who’s knows maybe in a few years they will be alike but so far I dont see it.
March 19th, 2015 at 2:18 pm
agree bucs need another QB on the roster but I don’t think Winston or mariota is better than glennon at this time. and I will bet lovie does not like winstons cocky attitude very doubtful. we did not see lovie at one buc place for either QB in my opinion he probably does not want either one. knowing him he wants a QB that’s already been playing in the NFL. we shall see.
March 19th, 2015 at 2:21 pm
Y’all really need to layoff Curtis.
We’re all sure some of his best friends are black.
March 19th, 2015 at 2:23 pm
@bucs1987 Winston not at FSU anymore and its not because he didn’t have talent
March 19th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
Jameis Winston>Steroid shot
March 19th, 2015 at 2:29 pm
I agree with you guys on Wilson. I think he is a very good…maybe someday “great”…QB and athlete.He has a strong arm, great pocket awareness, good anticipation and marvelous escapabilty! I see a lot of Wislon in Mariota’s game! Now, does Wilson throw for 5,000 yards a season? NO, because he isn’t asked to, He is wonderful in the Seahawks system and does everything that they ask/need him to do! And I think the most underrated part f Wilson’s game is he doesn’t do a lot of things to put his team in a bad spot…sacks, INTs, etc…! The Seahawks have a great system with a strong defense, solid running game, and an intelligent and capable QB! Obviously that combination has helped them win a lot of games over the past 3 years or so!
March 19th, 2015 at 2:30 pm
If Jameis is the “sure thing” pick for the Bucs, as many have eluded, why is he working out privately for the Titans? I guess, just in case.
March 19th, 2015 at 2:31 pm
Just to clarify I’m a big fan of Wilson. I just thought he was a lot better than the facts suggest. You learn some thing new everyday whatchugonnado?
March 19th, 2015 at 2:31 pm
No racist here…..I hate everyone equally!
March 19th, 2015 at 2:33 pm
DEFENSE NO WINSTON Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 2:08 pm
” the only thing that spews out of your pie hole is Winston get a life you loser.”
That’s a mikeh comment if I ever heard one.
March 19th, 2015 at 2:33 pm
“…whatchugonnado?”
Is that the new sharknado sub-title sequel?
March 19th, 2015 at 2:36 pm
OAR Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 2:30 pm
“If Jameis is the “sure thing” pick for the Bucs, as many have eluded, why is he working out privately for the Titans? I guess, just in case.”
Because as someone eluded to earlier that people would say it’s one of those dreaded “red flags” and that he’s too cocky to go to Tenn.
March 19th, 2015 at 2:37 pm
Lol
March 19th, 2015 at 2:37 pm
ODB… I already outed him last night. It was sooooo easy to tell.
March 19th, 2015 at 2:47 pm
DEFENSE NO WINSTON Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 2:18 pm
agree bucs need another QB on the roster but I don’t think Winston or mariota is better than glennon at this time. and I will bet lovie does not like winstons cocky attitude very doubtful. we did not see lovie at one buc place for either QB in my opinion he probably does not want either one.
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Lovie had breakfast with Winston when he came for his visit. I am not sure what took place between lovie and Mariota during his visit. Maybe curtis can contact his source at OBP and ask if Lovie and Mariota interacted.
March 19th, 2015 at 2:51 pm
Not sure why you’re getting so defensive. I don’t remember saying that you hate Winston. What DID say was that people seem to hate Winston more than they like Mariota.
As to your last point. My response was “i think it means nothing”.
Reading comprehension, my friend, reading comprehension.
This statement has made me realize that many, MANY, believe that lining up in the shotgun and a spread formation/scheme are one in the same.
March 19th, 2015 at 2:53 pm
87
Did you here about the DT from the niners (McDonald) who got accused of rape? He filed a counter suit against the accuser. Apparently she didn’t know he had camera security system throughout the house. His attorney said that the video “obviously” shows that sex was consensual.
I could never ever in my wildest dreams imagine that a women would lie about being raped OMG how could this EVER happen? I’m more than positive however that she is the first and ONLY female who’s ever made up a story to hurt a guy or possibly get some money from an athlete. Can you imagine anyone doing this type of thing?
March 19th, 2015 at 3:03 pm
@Celly FSU runs many different concepts spread, Pro formations. Jimbo clearly admits and employs these. I don’t see an issue and it has made their offense very potent. Defense just couldn’t keep up with Oregon creating so many mismatches which is the goal of any offense.
March 19th, 2015 at 3:05 pm
nope.
March 19th, 2015 at 3:07 pm
FSU’s what 5 turnovers in that game certainly did not help their cause.
As that dude in the video lurker posted said without those turnovers the game would have been much closer than the final score.
March 19th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
I could never ever in my wildest dreams imagine that a women would lie about being raped OMG how could this EVER happen? I’m more than positive however that she is the first and ONLY female who’s ever made up a story to hurt a guy or possibly get some money from an athlete. Can you imagine anyone doing this type of thing?
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What? Women lie about being raped sometimes? I’m appalled. I was under the impression that anytime someone was “accused” of rape that the story had to be true. I mean, it has to be true regardless if there conflicting evidence right? You mean gold diggers and money whores actually exist in 2015? Are you telling me its a real possibility/chance that some of these women are just lying? I am appalled.
March 19th, 2015 at 3:17 pm
I’ve seen women call the cops on their man just because they are arguing. I’ve also seen those same women lie to the cops and say that the man hit them.
Yes I’ve seen this before…
Actually my ex-wife tried to pull some crap on me like that before we were married. So I’ve been through it. Luckily the cops believed me.
March 19th, 2015 at 3:21 pm
1987
Hope you weren’t up all night figuring that one out.
Newsflash: Turnovers NEVER help any teams cause!
March 19th, 2015 at 3:23 pm
in my mind, those “his demeanor would be fine if he wasn’t playing QB” comments apply more to MM than JW. I’ve only seen Winston lose once, but i know losing or being behind fires him up and his entire team responds. By the same token, i’ve watched Mariota very little but i know that he has rarely if ever come from behind in his career and has professed indifference to some things that you would not expect a competitor to be indifferent to. if the bucs are on a 3 game losing streak, JW will be lighting fires under his teammates all week. I suspect MM would be the second coming of Tony Dungy, calmly droning about the need to execute.
March 19th, 2015 at 3:23 pm
Celly…”I didn’t say you hate Winston”….uh, yeah you did…@ 1:33 you said…”Maiota fans hate Winston more than they like Mariota”!
I understand perfectly what those words mean….Perhaps YOU are the one who needs to work on the comprehension issues! I might also suggest that if you are so threatened by dissenting opinions, you might want to stay away from the “comments” section of these stories.
March 19th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
FSU would not let go of such a money asset on a whim.
March 19th, 2015 at 3:35 pm
One ? Why is there no team trying to move up and nab Winston and a lot of teams are maneuvering for Mariota
March 19th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
87 and tiny Tim
Here you go gents:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/former-49ers-dl-ray-mcdonald-files-suit-against-woman-who-accused-him-of-rape-164100189.html
March 19th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
As much as the bucs need a Qb nether one is worth the first pick . Sorry but we don’t have a Payton manning here.
March 19th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
OAR Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 3:21 pm
“1987
Hope you weren’t up all night figuring that one out.
Newsflash: Turnovers NEVER help any teams cause!”
That was for the people that just looked at the score…
March 19th, 2015 at 3:55 pm
Bryce Says:
March 19th, 2015 at 3:35 pm
“One ? Why is there no team trying to move up and nab Winston and a lot of teams are maneuvering for Mariota”
Name them…
March 19th, 2015 at 3:56 pm
Byrce and road warrior
Exactly!!
March 19th, 2015 at 3:58 pm
Name the teams…
March 19th, 2015 at 4:01 pm
crickets
March 19th, 2015 at 4:03 pm
Chargers Eagles Tennessee
March 19th, 2015 at 4:05 pm
Had to scrap the crickets off my bottom of my shoes
March 19th, 2015 at 4:07 pm
I have a confession.
When I see mariota. And when I listen to him talk, I see a lot of me in him. That is why I feel like I understand his personality and social attitude. I talk like him, um-ing and uh-ing when I’m nervous. I get nervous easily like he does. I look down at my feet like he does. I don’t know if he can or can not lead an NFL team, but I know I could not. Not even close. And that has a lot to do with me being anti Mariota. Is it a flawless science? No. But I still feel like I understand him. Takes one to know one.
March 19th, 2015 at 4:09 pm
“One ? Why is there no team trying to move up and nab Winston and a lot of teams are maneuvering for Mariota”
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How do you know those teams are really maneuvering to get Mariota and not Winston? The Eagles is the only team I’ve heard that allegedly wants Mariota, even though Kelly has already said he’s not trading up to get him?
For the record, perhaps you have forgotten than just a little over a week ago, there was heavy speculation that the Saints were trying to trade Brees for our pick, so they could draft Winston. Does that not count?
March 19th, 2015 at 4:11 pm
@OAR,
So you’ve heard the Titans are looking to trade up with us to pick Mariota #1? Really?
March 19th, 2015 at 4:25 pm
Eagles already said they’re not. Titans? That is NOWHERE to be found.
Chargers…yeah I read a little bit about that, but I also saw a video the other day about 4 possible teams that might try to move up to get Winston.
Don’t remember where, because he wasn’t some big name analyst, I don’t even remember the teams or the site. I just stumbled onto it. It was about a week ago though.
Could you please show me where the Titans have sadi they want to move up from 2 to get Mariota?
March 19th, 2015 at 4:26 pm
I’m always researching Winston. I read and watch as much as I can on the kid.
March 19th, 2015 at 4:30 pm
I just named three teams interested in Mariota. It is possible they want to trade up. He did have a private workout with them as did Jameis. Which Im still waiting to see a Jameis supporter tell me why (if he’s going to be our pick for sure) he would go and do that? If he’s our pick Lovie and Licht have not told him yet.
Look, I really don’t think either is a number one first pick overall.
March 19th, 2015 at 4:32 pm
Could you please show me where the Titans have sadi they want to move up from 2 to get Mariota?
March 19th, 2015 at 4:33 pm
Joe might block this, he might not. But most people on PFT are mocking the Bucs for focusing on this. Just goes to show you what most people think.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/19/bucs-may-have-concerns-about-mariotas-laid-back-personality/#comments
March 19th, 2015 at 4:35 pm
This is really why I have stayed out of these discussions. We are all just speculating and guessing, even the media, because of the smoke each team blows! Who really f-ing knows, right?
March 19th, 2015 at 4:40 pm
Roses are gray. Violets are gray. F#@k I’m a dog!
March 19th, 2015 at 4:41 pm
LMAO@Oar….I hear ya.
March 19th, 2015 at 4:57 pm
I know whomever we pick, I will be supporting them for my team!!
March 19th, 2015 at 5:09 pm
[…] other thing that [the Bucs] are not a big fan of, and you’re going to hear more about this, they are not big fans of his personality,” Cummings said. “And you’ve got one very engaging guy with loads of charisma. He’s […]
March 19th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
@OAR,
It’s cool bro. I think we would all be surprised if we knew about all the maneuvering that goes on behind the scenes. I would imagine both players either have been or will be targets of many teams. My only point is that for people to make as if Winston isn’t a hot commodity is really pretty silly. They both are. They are the top 2 QB’s in the draft.
I don’t look anything into Winston working out for the Titans. You watch, Winston will visit a bunch of teams before the draft. A lot of teams bring guys in to meet, in case they become free agents down the line. It would be the dumbest thing imaginable if we told Winston he was going to be picked first. Why would you do that?
March 19th, 2015 at 5:32 pm
I see a guy who want to play for one coach – Kelly, and is marketing himself with that goal in mind.
March 19th, 2015 at 6:30 pm
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/037/144/89907dc3400e2a5482a4bd416aa8be27_crop_north.jpg?w=630&h=420&q=75
March 19th, 2015 at 7:15 pm
A lot of blokes here seem to confuse ‘leadership ability’ with ‘cheerleading ability’.
March 19th, 2015 at 7:23 pm
Shut up Barry.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:25 pm
If no to Mariota then trading down is the best option. Winston is a fool who can’t put full sentences together. Not to mention a turnover machine!
18 INTS in college=26 INTS in the NFL. If we wouldn’t sign a PROVEN stud due to character issues then logic would say we won’t be drafting another FSU dud QB. Better off fixing our lines then drafting the next TMZ star…
March 19th, 2015 at 10:30 pm
Oh supersam and bonzai you guys are setting yourselves up for a rough April 30th.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:32 pm
I’m on record saying I trust the Bucs whoever they pick, but this is almost asinine now. There a plenty of stories currently out there about Lovie and the G.M. raving about Mariota’s personality. Remember the story from the greatest QB ever? Montana vs the Bengals in the Superbowl and a minute left on the clock with the whole field to drive. What does Joe Cool do? Well, he doesn’t get stressed about the moment one bit. He enters the huddle and ask his teammates, “Is that John Candy in the stands?” Now if we’re gonna call people on here stupid while arguing like children because others say that kind of personality can’t lead a team, then know that is not the truth at all…. Now stop acting like you or anyone knows what the Bucs are thinking or who will be the better QB. The fact is most of you on here, including myself don’t know sh*t! Support who we pick and deal with the fact it’s not a lock who we’re gonna pick yet and shut the hell up!!
March 19th, 2015 at 10:38 pm
Chris…wanna bet it’s Winston?
If not then pipe down.
Put your money where your keyboard is. I’m taking all bets.
Jameis Winston will be selected the first pick in the draft by the Bucs.
All bets put your chips on the table.
March 19th, 2015 at 10:48 pm
“The fact is most of you on here, including myself don’t know sh*t! Support who we pick and deal with the fact it’s not a lock who we’re gonna pick yet and shut the hell up!!”
ummmmmmmmm, that is not a “fact”, silly. you do not know that it is “not a lock” who we pick. and who are you to tell anyone to shut up? don’t come here and read the comments or the articles. wow, see how easy it is. i saved you a doctor visit by reducing your stress and need to spazz out.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:00 pm
This is a non traditional haiku on steroids below:
Decide: Shotgun or Gunshot?
Overturn or Turnover?
All In or Maybe?
It’s marcUS or jaMEis?
Who’s our next hero?
GO BUCS!
March 19th, 2015 at 11:03 pm
87, just get off his junk already… Why would i bet a 50/50 proposition? Why do you ask me to pipe down when you’re the loudest mouth going on here? Just because people have other opinions? You should probably just chill on the whole pipe down talk and respect others opinions whether you agree with them or not.. You obviously got offended about my post because you yourself know that you might be on the top of the list of people who might not know sh*t on the Winston/Mariota choice the Bucs have on draft day. If you don’t need to defend an argument you simply don’t defend an argument. It’s pretty simple really. Yet you always wanna play Mr.Know it all when people have different opinions than you. Whether the Bucs select Winston or not it had nothing to do with your expert analysis here on Joe Buc. It would be because of their scouting and research period. So no bet, no pipe down because you said so, and yes I have an opinion.. Don’t like it? Tough… I won’t engage you any further from this point on because I actually consider your obsession a joke. I’ll finish with you by saying Mr.Know it all is really Mr.I know sh*t.
March 19th, 2015 at 11:59 pm
Back off 87! He’s a great person like myself and Jameis! All the great people throughout time have always had to remind everyone how great they are like we do!
March 20th, 2015 at 1:29 am
[…] other thing that [the Bucs] are not a big fan of, and you’re going to hear more about this, they are not big fans of his personality,” Cummings said. “And you’ve got one very engaging guy with loads of charisma. He’s […]
March 20th, 2015 at 7:55 am
Hey Joe Buc………seriously? You’re gonna take THIS (undeserved) shot at Marcus??? C’mon man….seems like you’re trying to balance the scale, but it’s really an unfair shot.
March 20th, 2015 at 8:56 am
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March 20th, 2015 at 8:57 am
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March 20th, 2015 at 11:08 am
Its sad reading the comments of so many of our fans.
Bottom line is it is very clear Jameis should and will be the Bucs selection as the number one selection in the draft.
March 20th, 2015 at 1:15 pm
There are decent arguments to make for either player, yet I note that when they played in the national semi-finals the great leader’s team was demolished.
March 20th, 2015 at 1:38 pm
I see articles like this and suspect that Mariota’s stock is going up. It is such a randomly dumb thing to write about that it possibly isn’t random. I wonder if the idea of trading down has been seriously entertained? Just a gut feel, but there may not be so much distance between QBs 1 and 2 in the draft and QBs 3 and 4, particularly if you accept that no one is taking these Bucs very far in 2015. My point is that what option makes the Bucs the best team possible by about October 2016. Shoot, package something up and take Cutler off the Bears hands and still get a darn high pick.
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