Team Glazer Opens Up About Impatience
March 25th, 2015
Yes, Joe relaxed on the lavish grounds of the Arizona Biltmore hotel today and talked Buccaneers football with team co-chairman Joel Glazer.
Joe already shared how Team Glazer is just fine with Jameis Winston, and Joe will share various nuggets of the conversation throughout the week.
Fan urgency and impatience have never been higher across the NFL. Losing is not tolerated for any team — in any stage of development. Bucs fans know this too well.
Joe asked Glazer about his impressions of the win-now-or-else shift among those who pay the bills.
JoeBucsFan.com: Patience among fans and NFL owners, all teams, seems to have gotten real thin in recent years. Joe was wondering if you feel that with the Bucs and with Bucs fans. And in general, what do you think about that lack of patience when it comes to team performance?
Joel Glazer: You bring up an excellent subject here. Because I have found over the years that there is a lot less patience than there was many years ago. But it’s understandable because in the National Football League these days you see teams like Kansas City go from the first pick in the draft to the playoffs. Ultimately, if you look around the league, the successful teams have built through the draft with somewhat of a patient approach. Ultimately, I think that’s how you build long term success. I feel the fans’ frustration. We have the same frustration. You want it now, and sometimes you have to fight that urge to do things that are so short term in nature that they don’t really help you get your ultimate goal. But it’s part of the society we live in and everyone wants results. No different than us.
Joe was glad to hear that Team Glazer feels the urgency. (And Joe will have more later from Glazer on that front) But Glazer is right; good teams find that balancing act.
Patience has become a lost art in the NFL, and the Bucs likely are going to test theirs with a rookie quarterback, regardless of which one they draft.
March 25th, 2015 at 8:34 am
If they know to build through the draft then why haven’t they? We are terrible at drafting players. We get maybe 1 good player from a draft and sometimes none.
March 25th, 2015 at 8:39 am
I disagree, Its not that we are less impatient. Its because Gruden would win the division and make the playoffs once in a while. Since then the Bucs are the bottom of the division, ( unless like 2010 when the Panthers tanked for the #1 overall pick) and the Bucs were 3rd in the division!!!
March 25th, 2015 at 8:41 am
Since Gruden left the Bucs have been the worst in the South. Hopefully next year will change, but will have to wait and see.
March 25th, 2015 at 8:41 am
Patience is a necessity as a Buc fan. You can argue all you like about Buc fan’s acceptance of losing over the years….but it simply doesn’t matter…..boycotting the games, not watching TV….putting up billboards…..writing letters and sending carrier pigeons…bitching and moaning on JBF.
It just doesn’t matter because NFL owners can make a profit without ticket sales due to the huge TV rights sharing.
The owners need to stick with Lovie (I know many hate that thought)….but churning coaches won’t get it done…..Give him a chance to build his team….2 more years at least. They really don’t have other options that make any sense. What makes anyone else think that another coach would make any difference over that period.
March 25th, 2015 at 8:52 am
hope Joe understands what Glazer is saying….Joe has gone full bore on Winston and signing “troubled” free agents and trading draft choices…sustainable, long term success is done by successful drafts and certainly not adding a questionable character as the “face of the franchise” that can set the franchise back again…a stout defense can lead to “sustainable” success, not relying on one questionable individual…this team needs quality players at a quantity…I’m all in for trade down and add more top round picks OR add to the defense …L.Williams
March 25th, 2015 at 8:53 am
Let’s hope their “urgency” extends to upgrading the freeking replay boards in the stadium! Why hasn’t the local media pressed them on what their specific plans for upgrades to the stadium are? And I don’t mean concessions or club amenities to put more money in their pockets.
Common denominator with the Glazers; if it doesn’t help the bottom line or if they have to pay, it’s not happening. Miami and Jacksonville have been proactive. The Glazers on the other hand are waiting for the taxpayers to foot the bill. I see a legal fight looming in the future with the TSA.
So Joel, please feel free to join me in my frustration and in case you didn’t realize it, you have the power to relieve said frustration.
March 25th, 2015 at 8:56 am
Folks like Tampbaybucfan who play the patience game also have to hope the other teams the Bucs compete against won’t get better.
Every team tries to get better each year but Lovie has already wasted his first year with terrible talent evaluations and when you have to flush the toliet, it takes even longer.
So have patience with Lovie, who has already wasted an entire season, and a year is a lifetime in this league.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:00 am
That sign should say
“Ground Hog Day Tampa Bay !”
March 25th, 2015 at 9:06 am
They do not sound at all like they are disappointed in Lovie or that he is on a short leash.
They understand the train wreck he took over and are going to give the man the time necessary to build the team right.
Good for them. Lovie is an excellent and proven coach and team builder.
And, in spite of the record, the team showed signs of turning around with all the close games, which the Glazers also pointed out.
Lovie and Jaboo look to be a fixture around here for a long time to come.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:12 am
I don’t think mark Dominick will ever be allowed back in the building even with press credentials. bucs have been synonymous with losing since the day they fired gruden and he took over. like 5 years of putrid drafting and free agent signings. can’t erase that past like it never happened all in one year because you hire a new coach, it just doesn’t work that way
March 25th, 2015 at 9:13 am
Yeah he says they wanna build through the draft when all the available evidence strongly suggests otherwise.
As to getting rid of Lovie, this isn’t a rookie coach it’s a 10 year NFL vet. He had 144 NFL games coached before coming here. He will not be changing any of his fundamental principles or beliefs. So patience doesn’t apply, he needs to produce results because we know what he is as a coach and nothing is changing, there’s no great evolution or leap forward coming. He is who he is. If he can’t produce results, he shouldn’t keep his job.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:14 am
Tampabaybucfan:
I agree 100 percent. At my age I may not have too many seasons left, but I have learned to be patient. Each season has new challenges and I have learned that as a fan there is not much I can do to affect the outcome. Every year when I go to Vegas I buy one bet that Tampa Bay will win the Super Bowl.
Instead of bitching I look foreword to watching the team and sport I enjoy the most. Go Bucs…..
March 25th, 2015 at 9:19 am
Well he picked a great receiver in the draft last year. Gonna pick a QB this year.
Jury is still out on the other draftees last year but many got a lot of playing time. Same will apply to the draft class this year.
Sounds like building through the draft to me.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:20 am
Having patience with a team and staff making progress is one thing but to think a gm/head coach with full power has NEVER drafted well and has a long history of bad personnel moves. That scenario more closely resembles the definition of insanity than patience.
You can’t reward the bucs and praise their philosophy on “cutting a player early rather than late (johnson/collins)” or “fixing previous mistakes and justify dead money” and then out of the other side of your mouth preach patience with clueless head coach drowning in his own bad decisions.
Lovie will screw up the draft.He has already signed nothing but prove it deals and prayers in free agency, no clear upgrades.
It’s one thing to demonstrate patience its another to be delusional fools. Anyone who thinks that lovie’s going to magically figure out personnel and how to field a decent o-line in year 11 are living in la la land.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:23 am
@ Tom Edrington
I’m not playing a patience game….I am one of the most impatient people you would ever meet…..this is forced patience….we really don’t have a choice….what do you suggest….putting out a contract on Lovie….the NFL yanking the franchise from the Glazers for losing?……what exactly are you doing to solve the problem….other than “firing Lovie” which you don’t have the authority to do…you can do no more than I can or any other fan.
So…sit back…be impatient…call for Lovie’s head….bitch, moan & suck it up.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:23 am
tmaxcon:
Love it, get down with your bad self!!……
Lovie has already wasted an entire season, this is a situation where he needed big scores in FA from the get go, instead, it was a disaster, so those who talk about the disaster he inherited, ignore the disaster he created through free agency right out of the gates….
March 25th, 2015 at 9:24 am
Don’t start talking that Jon Gruden was great BS. His teams would win the division 1 year and come in last the following year and that was at a time when the NFC south was one of the weakest divisions in the NFL. That was back when Aaron Brooks was NO’s QB and Delhomme was in Carolina. It was always very obvious how bad the Bucs really were under Gruden because they would always get crushed in the first round of the playoffs every year after winning that weak division. Gruden and his bad personnel decisions were the start of the downfall of the Bucs and that’s why he’s still sitting in the booth commentating games instead of coaching.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:25 am
at Tampabaybucfan:
Joe has already implied that Dirk Koetter is possibly “the savior” which tells me he believes Lovie is NOT….
March 25th, 2015 at 9:29 am
@Skyline Crew Says:
March 25th, 2015 at 8:41 am
Since Gruden left the Bucs have been the worst in the South. Hopefully next year will change, but will have to wait and see.
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FYI, 4 out of the 7 years Gruden coached the Bucs we finished 2x in 3rd and 2x in 4th….not to mention his horrendous record in the month of December..
March 25th, 2015 at 9:30 am
Ahhh, the lavish grounds of the Arizona Biltmore, where $$$ now out-shadows the actual game. The NFL rakes in billions because of t.v. reveunue (not fan attendance), and these meetings revolve around schemes to make the public think the owners actually still care about winning.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:30 am
Wow, the results of Dominick’s first 3 drafts, Gerald McCoy and Luke Stocker!!!
even Joe and the last 4 rockstar fans have to admit that this terrible GM has been exposed as the worst in Buc history!!!
March 25th, 2015 at 9:31 am
Actually Drew Brees was the New Orleans QB the last time Chucky won the NFC South.
Went on the road to defeat them in the deciding game I believe. Bress at QB.
Atlanta, NO, and Carolina represented the NFC in the Super Bowl during that era.
Atlanta had vick. Carolina Jack the snake with great defense.
No cake walk to win that division at all. And we haven’t since.
Chucky hatred always deludes facts.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:33 am
How serence, the lavish grounds of the Arizona Biltmore, where $$$ now out-shadows the actual game. The NFL rakes in billions because of t.v. reveunue (not fan attendance), and these meetings revolve around schemes to make the public think the owners actually still care about winning.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:33 am
@ Tom Edrington
I ask you to imagine last year’s Bucs with Dirk Koetter as OC……then tell me exactly how bad you think the Bucs would have been. Is there any way we would be picking first?…..Would we have possibly won the division?
March 25th, 2015 at 9:37 am
Patience & Impatience are not choices we make….they are emotions we try to control…they exist because they usually involve events we have no control over.
I don’t choose to be patient….it’s like waiting for a biopsy….or who our #1 draft pick will be. Some are patient by nature….some impatient….some a mixture of both.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:39 am
Waterboy I disagree. Wikipedia Jon Gruden. Then get back to me and tell me he was a bad coach.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:41 am
Dungy went to the playoffs 4 out of his 6 years and only finished last or second to last 1x in what was the probably the tough division in football at that time..Not to mention he only finished under .500 once, his first season..
No Gruden hate, just facts..
March 25th, 2015 at 9:42 am
Tom Edrington
What I don’t understand is that you don’t have to be a brain surgeon to analyze Lovies win / loss record and personnel moves to see the glaring mistakes year in and year out. 3 times in ten years playoffs is not proven consistent winner. 3-3 playoff record in 10 years. He can’t beat teams with a winning record either. those are easily researched numbers. why can’t people accept he is a nice guy but a bad personnel man and average coach and nothing is worse than average.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:43 am
said the same $hit last year…..
March 25th, 2015 at 9:43 am
Buc1987 Says:
March 25th, 2015 at 9:39 am
Waterboy I disagree. Wikipedia Jon Gruden. Then get back to me and tell me he was a bad coach.
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you might want to do the same… go compile his record in the month of December, you know the month when the contenders separate themselves from the pretenders…
March 25th, 2015 at 9:45 am
@Eric
Brees may have been there Gruden’s last year or 2 in Tampa but Sean Payton and Brees coming to the NFC is probably what helped cause him to get fired. Vick was at ATL at the time but the Bucs defense always seemed to have his number. With the exception of that 1 super bowl in 2003 Gruden had 0 playoff wins in Tampa. He slowly tore that team a part during his years in Tampa and it was so bad when he left that Raheem Morris had to start over from scratch.
Gruden is a very good offensive coordinator but nothing more. He’s not a quality Head Coach.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:46 am
Love on NFL Network live saying nothing, then he said “losing a great player like Michael” talking about “the ghost” and then my breakfast came back up, really Lovie, great like frosted flakes
March 25th, 2015 at 9:48 am
if the glazer boys say their impatient then that’s about all we can hope for is that they are all over this regime to get them to get a winning product on the field. im wondering if having 3 owners is becoming an issue, every decision made is like a war room environment that you have to kick around and get all three on board with. one of those guys has to be the final say and maybe that’s why the franchise took a nose dive….besides the hiring of mark Dominick and deciding to fire tony dungy, could have easily forced him to focus on offense sort of like they did with Jason garrett in dallas
March 25th, 2015 at 9:48 am
Bad drafting and coaching turnover. The two things that doom a franchise. This team has next to nothing to show for the past several years of drafts. The lack of drafted talent forced them to spend in free agency, which has had almost the same rate of success. At some point, the circle of ineptitude has to be broken.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:48 am
@JoshP
After that 1 super bowl how many playoff wins did that awesome coach have?
March 25th, 2015 at 9:49 am
From Wikipedia :
Under Gruden, the Raiders posted consecutive 8–8 seasons in 1998 and 1999, and leapt out of last place in the AFC West. After uniting with journeyman quarterback Rich Gannon, Gruden led the Raiders to the top of the AFC West and they made the playoffs three straight seasons (the third time under Head Coach Bill Callahan). Oakland finished 12–4 in the 2000 season, the team’s most successful in a decade, and its first division title since 1990, ultimately reaching the AFC Championship, where they lost 16–3 to the eventual Super Bowl champion Baltimore Ravens.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:49 am
Speaking of not building through the draft, Gruden was simply awful at doing that. If he were better at it odds are he never gets fired in 2009. Gruden should just do that from now on, wait for a team to be close to a Super Bowl, then swoop in and take them over the top (like Denver would have been perfect this year). He’s good at coaching vets, but he can’t develop guys and thats why the Bucs were never consistent during his time.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:51 am
Wiki : In the two years following Gruden’s Super Bowl win, the Bucs went 7–9 and 5–11 respectively, implying to many Dungy supporters that Gruden had simply taken over a strong team and driven it into the ground. However, the high draft picks sacrificed by the team to acquire Gruden, along with salary-cap issues and failed draft choices left by the former general manager Rich McKay (with whom Gruden had a bitter relationship) limited Gruden’s ability to field the teams he wanted. With no emerging talent in the fold and no money to afford replacements, the team was decimated by injuries to many of the Super Bowl stars, including Joe Jurevicius, Greg Spires, Shelton Quarles, and Brian Kelly, as well as acrimony with highly paid veterans such as Sapp, Keyshawn Johnson and Keenan McCardell.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:52 am
Well call me silly but I preferred winning seasons and division titles.
Raheem Morris?
Hahahahaha……
Anyhoo you Chucky haters got your wish and ran him out of town. Sure has made things a lot better.
I think the Glazers are through being influenced by you folks.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:55 am
@Eric
Division titles are great if you can prove how good you really are in the playoffs.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:56 am
Josh P Says:
March 25th, 2015 at 9:29 am
@Skyline Crew Says:
March 25th, 2015 at 8:41 am
Since Gruden left the Bucs have been the worst in the South. Hopefully next year will change, but will have to wait and see.
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FYI, 4 out of the 7 years Gruden coached the Bucs we finished 2x in 3rd and 2x in 4th….not to mention his horrendous record in the month of December..
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2010 was the last time we made it to 3rd. We have been last ever since. I think being in third sounds pretty good right now. Also Gruden finished 1st 3x in the division. Before then we had finished 1st in our division only 3x since we became a franchise in 1976. So 26 years and only 3 1st place finishes or 7 years and 3 1st place finishes? I’ll take the 7 years and 3 1st place finishes over 3 1st place finishes in 26 years.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:00 am
And one could easily say Gruden took 2 teams to the Super Bowl. Oakland and Tampa Bay….Callahan was just there for the ride.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:01 am
Waterboy Says:
March 25th, 2015 at 9:48 am
@JoshP
After that 1 super bowl how many playoff wins did that awesome coach have?
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yeah thats my point…my comment was towards @87…. look at my other comments as well..
March 25th, 2015 at 10:02 am
Back off Jon Gruden…..I’ve endured being a Buc fan for 39 years…..and we have one Superbowl and Jon Gruden was our coach….I don’t give a rat’s a$$ how he did after that because he brought me one of my greatest joys in life. And….I very well may not experience another one in my lifetime.
There are NFL fans from other teams that have never experienced that….Philadelphia, Carolina, Lions, Falcons, Browns, Jaguars, Texans, Bills & Chargers…..maybe more…
March 25th, 2015 at 10:04 am
Again…Oakland sucked before Jon Gruden.
Oakland finished 12–4 in the 2000 season, the team’s most successful in a decade, and its first division title since 1990.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:07 am
We are where we are because we have drafted poorly for over a decade now, simple as that. We’ve had a run of Head Coaches that weren’t Hall of Famers but without good players it really doesn’t matter how great the coach is.
Without a good pass rush and a good QB nothing really matters. Im still somewhat amazed at how many people are against the Winston pick. Teams that have actually had a franchise QB somewhere in their lineage probably think it’s a no brainer pick but most Bucs fans are so dumbed down from never having one that they think it’s not needed.
Winston and then best player at any position the rest of the way through.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:07 am
@TMaxcon:
Dude, I was TOTALLY agreeing with you!!!!
@Tampabaybucfan:
You’re asking me to imagine that which never happened….Lovie left an inexperienced young guy to dangle in the wind……in the military, Lovie might have been up on court martial charges….so why don’t you imagine that!
March 25th, 2015 at 10:07 am
Josh P Says:
March 25th, 2015 at 9:41 am
Dungy went to the playoffs 4 out of his 6 years and only finished last or second to last 1x in what was the probably the tough division in football at that time..Not to mention he only finished under .500 once, his first season..
No Gruden hate, just facts..
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Dungy’s record
1996 – 6-10 4th place
1997 – 10-6 2nd place – won wild card game
1998 – 8-8 3rd place
1999 – 11-5 1st place – Won Divisional Playoffs
2000 – 10-6 2nd place Lost wild card game
2001 – 9-7 3rd place Lost wild card game
I wouldn’t call 3rd place 2x in a 5 team division stellar. Sure his W/L looked good, but he couldn’t win in the playoffs. 11-6 to the Rams. Come on.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:08 am
As I already said, give Gruden a team full of vets and he can win. Expect him to build a Green Bay or Seattle or New England and it’s not gonna happen. I don’t think Gruden is a bad coach, he’s just not a coach who’s gonna build a sustainable winner. Which is why he was fired, and why Lovie was fired in Chicago. Sporadic playoff appearances mixed in with 6-10 seasons isn’t something fans want long term.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:09 am
Chucky had the most division titles in bucs history.
I always like the but after the super bowl win argument as if winning the super bowl was a minor accomplishment.
After he won the Pulitzer prize he didn’t accomplish much.
Some people never learn……
March 25th, 2015 at 10:10 am
@Wikipedia lol. if lovie inherited great players what do people think gruden inherited. as soon as he won the superbowl the bucs started losing again, he didn’t know how to sustain the success dungy started. to sum up how bad of a coach jon gruden was simply look at the 2008 draft of wide receiver dexter Jackson in the 2nd round….a pick that was out of the league a year later. gruden was meant to be a coordinator he’s no coach which is why he wont coach now. he quit coaching at a younger age than most are before the get their first shot
March 25th, 2015 at 10:13 am
@Skyline Crew Says
not saying we’ve been better off, but to think Gruden was some great coach i think you guys are fooling yourselves a little bit….. I respect what he did in 2002 to get us that Superbowl, he gave the Bucs an edge that year, but that edge never carried over..
@87
So Gruden gets credit for Calahan taking the Raiders to the super bowl, but you don’t give Dungy credit for the team Gruden took to the super bowl?? isn’t the situation one in the same??
March 25th, 2015 at 10:13 am
You can’t argue what he did for Oakland….
March 25th, 2015 at 10:15 am
@87
“So Gruden gets credit for Calahan taking the Raiders to the super bowl, but you don’t give Dungy credit for the team Gruden took to the super bowl?? isn’t the situation one in the same??”
You do realize that the team had pretty much all new starters on offense that season right?
McCardell, Joe J., Pittman, and several others were added to “Dungy’s team”.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:16 am
@Skyline
Along with that Bucs history lesson don’t forget to add that the divisions changed during Gruden’s tenure and GB, Chicago and Minnesota were replace with the Atlanta and Carolina. Teams without the winning tradition of the ones that were removed.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:20 am
Tom Edrington
I know I was just venting. i apologize if I came off wrong wrong. LOL… Lovie has my blood pressue up.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:20 am
@Skyline
one of those 3rd place teams got them in the playoff…..
11-6 to the Rams..you act like we should have crushed one of the greatest OFF in the history of the NFL……
March 25th, 2015 at 10:21 am
“It was a great group of guys,” Gruden said Thursday. “That was a lot tougher situation than people think. You had a whole new offense, whole new offensive staff; I think we had 25 new players. We had some carryover guys that had been here with Tony, especially on defense. We had to try to recruit the defensive staff to stick around because I think they wanted to go with Tony. But we came together somehow, some way.”
March 25th, 2015 at 10:22 am
All this gruden talk is deflecting from the loser who is currently running the bucs into the ground. Gruden is gone forget about it… wake up and realize your current head coach is a disaster and destroying your beloved team right before your eyes. but you are ok with it because he is nice.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:24 am
@Waterboy,
Absolutely, I agree with that on the Falcons. However, Panthers only began in 1995 so not like they could really have a winning tradition to begin with. Although during Dungy’s time they did finish in their division 1st, 2nd, 4th, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th. So not like they were terrible.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:24 am
Don’t get me wrong….Dungy means the world to me, but it certainly wasn’t Dungy’s team in the Super Bowl. There were key pieces that were added to the team that put it over the top and one of them was Jon Gruden.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!
March 25th, 2015 at 10:26 am
Josh P Says:
March 25th, 2015 at 10:20 am
@Skyline
one of those 3rd place teams got them in the playoff…..
11-6 to the Rams..you act like we should have crushed one of the greatest OFF in the history of the NFL……
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Not crush, but definitely win. We held the so called greatest OFF in history to 11 pts and could score more than 6pts? Come on.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:38 am
2001 under Dungy off was ranked 15th and scored 324
2002 under Gruden off was ranked 18th and scored 346
Quite the Off Juggernaut Gruden was……
Anyone going to give any credit Monte for what he did with that Def in 2002??
March 25th, 2015 at 10:50 am
Buc1987 Says:
March 25th, 2015 at 10:24 am
Don’t get me wrong….Dungy means the world to me, but it certainly wasn’t Dungy’s team in the Super Bowl.
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Who on that Def in 2002(minus Spires) wasn’t from the Dungy regime??? that Def scored 21 points in the Super bowl alone and 54 points through out the season alone…Super Bowl is a whole different ball game without that Def..
March 25th, 2015 at 10:59 am
Sure hope Lovie doesn’t win a Super Bowl here.
Bucs fans will never forgive him.
March 25th, 2015 at 11:05 am
^^^^^LMAO
March 25th, 2015 at 11:22 am
If you believe in building through the draft you better also have patience!!!
AGAIN…Statistically 54% of first round draft picks make it…50% of 2nd rounders and of course it drops after that.
Bottom line is that if you are like the rest of the league at least half of your draft picks will not contribute significantly.
I know we love to beat up on Lovie/Licht/Dominick and all management types but the odds require patience to build through the draft. This is why Pete Beathard one of the great football GM’s traded down for multiple picks every time he had the chance. He simply wanted to increase the odds of finding a keeper.
March 25th, 2015 at 11:26 am
Josh P…they would have never gotten to the SB in the first place without Gruden’s offense.
Even Sapp acknowledges that.
March 25th, 2015 at 11:35 am
@Eric
We love super bowls but the problem with Gruden was after that super bowl they never won another playoff game after that. And I still say the NFC South was a very weak division at that time.
March 25th, 2015 at 11:38 am
Corporate mumbo jumbo, that’s all I’m hearing.
If there were a board of trustees and Glazer was the CEO, the Bucs’ record as well as diminished fan attendance and interest would result in their being forced to step down. I’d rather have a fan of the team than an uninterested ownership; owning ManU is no different to me than owning a billion $ oil company overseas.
Anyone can say the right thing, but the Glazers have a problem doing the right thing. As the worst team in the NFL, should we be optimistic because ‘you can only go up from here?’
March 25th, 2015 at 11:41 am
Stpetebuc
Bucs fall well below that 54% mark. Don’t we have like 2 of our past 8 first rounders, including Revis? That’s worse than 25%
March 25th, 2015 at 11:50 am
Kinda sad that patience is so thin. These days teams like the Jags, Browns, Raiders and even our Bucs will never establish anything by constantly changing coaches, quarterback etc. Sure the Chiefs made the playoffs after going 2-14 but they already had alot of pieces and really weren’t that far off when Andy Reid got their. Then he brought Alex Smith and there you go. They were that close all along. I’ve been a Lovie supporter and gave him more benefit of doubt than I would alot of coaches. But if he goes say 4-12 with his quarterback and the oline he saw fit to replace our old unit and especially with his defense, it will be time to go. Sorry but in todays NFL thats inexcusable. Sad but true. We git not one but TWO game changers on defense(maybe three if Jonathan Banks really takes that step). We got a veteran receiver and a young hot shot receiver with all the skill and swag in the world and we should have his own drafted quarterback. Its time for Lovie to bring it all together and we damn well better not be out of it by halloween for a third straight year. This fan base will be angry and it will show.
So just like Andy Reid did for Kansas City, Lovie Smith needs to take our talent and use it to be competetive. By todays NFL standards I have been very fair and patient. But a veteran coach like Lovie will have no excuse to lose miserably again.
March 25th, 2015 at 11:50 am
No comments on the stadium upgrades? Interesting. This leads me to one conclusion, none of you joebucsfan regular posters’ ever actually go to the games. Including the two joes. Don’t tell me about patience, some us have an actual financial investment. How much will the bucs be under the cap, Again? The Glazers better wake up, or London will be their best bet for getting fans to care about the Bucs. Winston or bust!
March 25th, 2015 at 11:51 am
@StPeteBucsfan
I’d be interested to see how the top teams in the league faired with their draft picks.
March 25th, 2015 at 12:02 pm
gbuc Says:
March 25th, 2015 at 11:50 am
“No comments on the stadium upgrades? Interesting. This leads me to one conclusion, none of you joebucsfan regular posters’ ever actually go to the games. Including the two joes.”
Wrong. I go to games. We and I also complain about the Jumbotron all the time, just not on this thread.
March 25th, 2015 at 12:05 pm
Waterboy and Mike 10
I do not have the stats for either the Bucs or the top teams. But I certainly take your point. The Bucs fall below that 50% mark while good teams exceed it.
Hence the Bucs are a below average team and the good teams that draft well are above average.
I’m like you Waterboy. I’d love to know how well the top teams fare. But it seems great organizations like N.E. and Seattle do not miss as often on other teams drafting or signing FA’s. That’s why they are great organizations.
Since Licht got his “Ph.D.” in player scouting from one of those top organizations I have hope.
Since Lovie finally bit the bullet and found a REAL OC I’m also hopeful he’s learned his lesson and will ditch Dungyball.
March 25th, 2015 at 12:14 pm
Who needs to go to the games except those that can afford it? You invest the money win or lose. I thought the TV money covered all the bills. All games will be televised, do the players need cheering or jeering fans in the seats to play better. They can just pipe in all that noise in an empty stadium. It would’nt be much different.
March 25th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
gbuc…and btw the Bucs play so horribly who really wants to watch the replays on an HD jumbo screen? It will only make them look worse.
March 25th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
Sounds like this was the perfect opportunity to ask Joel Glazer about all the “Win Now” and “Fans shouldn’t be patient” talk that was coming out of OBP this time last year. Frankly that is a big part of why fans were so frustrated last year. And I’m sure that has carried over to now as well.
Owners don’t really talk much – but if the coach and GM had publicly said – “10 straight years of bad drafting has left this team in terrible shape and it’s likely going to take a couple years to get enough talent in here to be truly competitive. We will coach up what we have to work with to the best of our ability and do everything we can to find better and more talented players at key positions as quickly as possible. We know it is hard for fans to have patience – but it is what it is. We will get this team turned around and back to “relevance” ASAP – but realistically it might take some time.”
If the Bucs had been honest with themselves and honest with the fans by saying something similar to that – then the attitude towards this regime would be very different all last year and right now as well.
But instead they did the opposite. “We expect to win now.” was the clear message from the Bucs and it raised expectations far beyond what was realistic. And once real games started, and it became obvious to all that the team was not good and in for a loooong season in 2014 – the feeling of dashed expectations and having been misled by those in charge at OBP created a serious breach of trust that will only be won back by sustained success.
So back to my point. I believe this win now message was dictated by ownership so as to sell more season tickets last year – and coach and GM reluctantly parroted that message to the media and fans because that’s what they were told to do by the owners. That is my assumption and I could be wrong – but as a loyal Buccaneers fan for over 30 years – it would be nice to know who was actually responsible for that “Win Now” message being spread so far and wide last off season. Either way – it was not good because the Bucs were either delusional about what they had to work with and thus bad talent evaluators – or they lied to the fans about what to expect so as to sell more season tickets. So the big question in my mind on this issue is – who was actually responsible for that breach of trust with the fans?
This was the perfect opportunity to bring that up and ask Joel Glazer point blank whether the Win Now mantra we heard so often last off season was the owner’s decision to be so public with that message – or whether the coach and GM did that on their own?
You may not have gotten a straight answer Joe – but the question should have been asked anyway because it is an important issue and goes to the heart of how “patient” the fanbase are willing to be at this point and how they feel about the 2nd year HC and GM in general.
Dude, you’re taking a lot of leaps here. In this post, Joe provided one question and relayed one answer. There is more to come from Glazer. And every team want to win now. –Joe
March 25th, 2015 at 2:44 pm
Yes Joe agreed. It is a bit of a “leap” or assumption to think owners were dictating the unwise decision to be so vocal with the “We expect to win now” message that was so prevalent last off season.
Perhaps I’m way off base and L&L did that all on their own and it was a big fat mistake in believing they had the players and talent to “Win Now” – when the reality was so painfully and obviously the opposite once bullets started flying for real in September. But again – if that was the case – then it makes me lose a lot of faith in L&L’s talent evaluation abilities if it was an honest mistake and the team was simply way worse than L&L thought they were.
Maybe Tedford being lost before the season started was 80% of the reason the Bucs went 2-14 last year and the talent they had could have won 6, 7, 8 or 9 games last year with a real OC. Somehow I doubt that – but as a hard core Bucs fan – I hope its the case.
This is a key question in my mind (and probably many others as well) as far as trusting the current regime moving forward which is why I am bringing it up. I want to trust L&L – but it’s hard to do after they took over a bad team and seemingly made it worse – even after turning over 40% of the roster.
On the bright side. At least we are getting Jameis Winston. If L&L screw that one up – I don’t think I would EVER be able to forgive them unless they pick Mariota and he does turn out to be the better of the 2 top QBs which seems very unlikely on both counts IMO.
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