“System, System, System”
March 11th, 2015
Cerebral ex-quarterback Boomer Esiason issued a firm stance on University of Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
Esiason isn’t sold on Mariota and says his NFL obstacles will be immense.
Esiason gives a passionate one-minute take in this CBS Sports video below.
He says Mariota is a “system, system, system” guy and outlined what he’ll have to overcome. He also says Mariota will need a lot of Tom Brady in him to succeed.
March 11th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
He’s right.
He needs to learn to take a snap from under center, read a defense from under center, better pocket awareness, audible out of a bad play, call a play in the huddle, and go thru his progressions.
Can the Bucs and Lovie survive a Mariota experiemtn or will the next coach be drafting a QB?
March 11th, 2015 at 12:02 pm
Come on, Joe!!! Boomer says “they all have to have some Tom Brady in them”
not just Mariota….
& Winston is a “system, system, system” guy himself….he needs to the immature behavior out of his system before he recieves a multi-million dollar contract!!!
March 11th, 2015 at 12:03 pm
They really pay Boomer for this? Tell me something I don’t know Boom!
March 11th, 2015 at 12:03 pm
if all you know is this guy was great in a system how could you argue that he isn’t a system guy, he’s gotta do it in a traditional offense before anyone can say definitively he can or can’t. I have to admit that im rooting for him and Winston to be stars in this league since my hope is we draft one of them
March 11th, 2015 at 12:06 pm
Disagree. I don’t think Mariota will have a problem whatsoever. Nor do a lot of other people.
March 11th, 2015 at 12:12 pm
every bit the passer as crab legs…quicker release and quicker decisions on the field…they all have learning curves…take my chances on the “system” guy over the guy who could infect this team beyond repair!
March 11th, 2015 at 12:21 pm
The biggest issue Mariota is going to face is injuries and no one is talking about that. I don’t care how fast or good you are if you are not on the field you are useless. His style can be modified but not changed. he will be killed in nfl. winston will be much more durable. Mariota will succeed but not in the time frame lovie requires. Lovie needs jameis.
March 11th, 2015 at 12:21 pm
So if not Marcus, who do we draft at QB? Winston only played two years of college ball against basketball schools and was an INT machine in the “pro-style” offense. He was exceptionally bad against the rush.
When it hit “nut cutting” time on the field against Oregon, he not only played poorly but started ranting and raving to the point that Jimbo almost benched him.
For the record, neither FSU or Florida fans opinion matter regarding Winston. You’re all jaded.
Whoever we pick may be the wrong guy.
March 11th, 2015 at 12:28 pm
Derek Carr was a system Qb as well, he is doing fine as his quick release is paying dividends. Fsu offense was also the spread it gave Winston time to throw, he did line up behind center to hand off and throws with three step drops were high until fourth quarter when they went back to spread and his throws were on target. They both will have learning curves, my opinion with Mariotas quick release and quick feet he will do better behind a very very bad line. If the Bucs are crazy enough to throw a rookie out there. I don’t think they are.
Boomer is an ass. Typical Jet, who would love to see Mariota in that uniform. Oh Mariota is horrible until Jets pick, then he’s the next Rodgers.
March 11th, 2015 at 12:28 pm
I’M TIERD OF YOU SAYING HOW GOOD WINSTON IS AND HOW BAD MARITOA IS STINKING UP THE FIELD AND CAN’T DO THIS OR THAT BETTER THEN WINSTON , YOUR JUST EAT UP WITH WINSTON, CAN’T YOU SAY ANY THING GOOD ABOUT MARIOTA LIKE YOU DO WINSTON ALL THE TIME, WELL I HOPE THE BUC’S TAKES WINSTON AND HE BECOMES A WASH LIKE FREEMAN AND MARIOTA BECOMES THE BEST QUARTER BACK IN THE NFL
March 11th, 2015 at 12:28 pm
Skyline Crew Says:
March 11th, 2015 at 12:06 pm
“Disagree. I don’t think Mariota will have a problem whatsoever. Nor do a lot of other people.”
A LOT of other people?
March 11th, 2015 at 12:29 pm
Can’t Fix It…blame Boomer.
March 11th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
Isn’t every QB a product of the system they are in? This whole “traditional” offense thing is old and tired. Innovation and system are the only ways to succeed in the NFL. Brady and Manning are under center less and less nowadays so that under center jargon is a joke. I can’t be one of these people posting who is arrogant enough to believe I have a better knowledge base when it comes to NFL personnel decisions so I will not make a claim about who is better. All I can hope for is some success for the Bucs going forward.
March 11th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
@tmax – Just because he is mobile doesn’t mean he will be running all over or trying to truck linebackers. Jameis could get hurt just as easily, they’re essentially the same size and both have some injury history. Mariota probably has a bigger frame anyway since he only weighed around 10 lbs less than Winston at the combine and you know his body fat is lower.
QBs get hurt regardless of play-style…just ask Carson Palmer or Bradford or Brady or Peyton.
March 11th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
CAN’T FIX IT Says:
March 11th, 2015 at 12:28 pm
Recommendations:
1) Turn off caps-lock
2) Attempt to make sense
March 11th, 2015 at 12:47 pm
Boomer along with Merrill Hodge thought Brian Braum would be better than Aaron Rodgers so……….Mel Kiper said that Brady Quinn was a “Cant Miss”
“experts” get paid to talk.
March 11th, 2015 at 12:48 pm
At one point the single wing was the “traditional” offense. Doubt we’ll see a lot of that soon.
So what is the ‘traditional” offense these days? Do we want a throwback offense or a state of the art offense with all the new wrinkles that are coming into the game.
Concussions and a desire for offense have led the NFL to change the rules dramatically in favor of the offense. I see almost as many “spead” plays as I see pocket QB’s these days. Which way is the league headed?
“His style can be modified but not changed.”
Tmax luv ya dude but that’s just silly. Of course he can change. Does he have the talent to change is the question? He’s already changed his style once when he went from a pocket passer to Oregon’s spread. He can just as easily change back and his performance at the combine showed he has NO trouble mastering the various drops from center and still reading.
Boomer Esiasen went to school on an athletic scholarship. He’s not the brightest bulb in the chandelier.
As for making the “reads”…Mariota has done that for three years now while on the run. He’s clearly demonstrated his decision making prowess.
Like Fameis, Marcus is a gamble. Neither of these QB’s is a great NFL QB yet. BOTH show enormous potential. But that is ALL that it is for EITHER player.
Neither of them have thrown the first pass in the NFL. Both will be a gamble.
But all top draft picks are gambles and so I’m certainly fine with rolling the dice.
March 11th, 2015 at 12:53 pm
SNYPES ARE REAL I TELL YOU!
March 11th, 2015 at 12:55 pm
And stop being so damned rational SPBF
March 11th, 2015 at 12:55 pm
Love how every mariota supporter points out the 1 bust these experts picked to become good qbs in any attempt to discredit their criticism of marcus..speaks volumes..marcus may have character, his fans dont..and whats up with chip choosing bradford over marcus??? Curiouser and curiouser
March 11th, 2015 at 12:58 pm
tmaxcon Says:
March 11th, 2015 at 12:21 pm
The biggest issue Mariota is going to face is injuries and no one is talking about that.
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How often is Kap and Wilson not playing on the field?
March 11th, 2015 at 12:58 pm
I’ll bet the “left nut” of the stuttering-stammering-showhost-who-basically-broadcasts-newspaperarticles/twitter-feeds to his audience and calls it a “show,” that the Buc’s will NOT choose Winston.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:00 pm
Funny that the character of “Mariota fans” is brought up. I am not aware of more than two or three “Mariota Fans” on this site. Now, Character and Winston Fans is most definitely a rarity. There are some I grant. Those are the ones I like to talk to.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:01 pm
Schlomie…how do you know he has any?
March 11th, 2015 at 1:02 pm
All I can say is that the Moment that the braintrust decides they want Either QB I think we should pull an INDY type move and go ahead and get the kid in here. No use in waiting til the draft
March 11th, 2015 at 1:03 pm
bucgatr 71…I’m a character.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:04 pm
So what I initially read on the Eagles trade was wrong… The Eagles did not go up to #10 in the draft. They actually just swapped some mid picks (actually giviing the Rams MORE picks -wtf!) to get Bradford.
At this point I’d have to assume that Kelly just likes Bradford if he’s willing to take that salary on. And if Kelly would prefer a guy like Bradford over trying to maneuver for Mariota; that’s a bit telling. He’s supposed to be the most insane Mariota supporter in the draft.
OR Kelly just knows Mariota is going 1 or 2 and has accepted the reality that it’s too much to get to those picks. I really have no idea with that guy lol
March 11th, 2015 at 1:04 pm
Wintson also comes from a system; #TheFloridaStatePenalSystem
March 11th, 2015 at 1:06 pm
It does kind of look like Chip Kelly isn’t as enamored with Marcus as previously thought.
Sanchez/Bradford > Mariota?
wow. The one guy who would trade up for him.
Not.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:10 pm
“He’s not the offensive coordinator,” Gruden said. “It’s not his fault. What they do at Oregon is very unique. That type of football is on its way to the NFL. You’re seeing more and more no-huddle offenses. You see a lot of intermediate passes from 10 yards and in, which is a big part of Oregon.
“When you watch Philadelphia [which is coached by former Oregon coach Chip Kelly] play offense, you see the Oregon Ducks. The No. 1 offense in football the last two years is Philadelphia. So the system works. Mariota can play in that system. Somebody is going to see a (6-foot-4) quarterback with 4.5 speed. This guy is quick, he’s smart, he’s the most humble, hard-working guy maybe in this draft. I want him on my team. I’ll put my system in around him. I think personally Marcus Mariota can play in any system.”
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“Marcus can run any system and any offense at any level,” Helfrich said. “Our system is our system. There’s always that label, ‘He’s a system guy.’ Everybody is a system guy.
“Our system has elements of a bunch, whether it’s the West Coast offense, run-and-shoot, triple option, and our pro-style passing game. He can do all that stuff. So much of that is the ability to make great decisions, in rhythm, on time and be accurate with the ball and be tough. He’s all those things.”
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NFL.com – But one NFL quarterbacks coach told Breer he isn’t so quick to blame the spread for the pro quarterbacking woes of Griffin and others.
“I’m not sure that the spread’s been the problem with those guys,” the coach said of Robert Griffin III and San Francisco’s Colin Kaepernick. “I mean, go back to Drew Brees, he played in a spread offense in college. That was the spread then, they threw it 83 times in one game. And I don’t think that guy’s struggling because of the spread.”
March 11th, 2015 at 1:12 pm
“I have seen Marcus get mad and punt a football at practice, which got everyone’s attention,” said Oregon quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator Scott Frost. “And last year, the week of the Wyoming game, we had a few really competitive practices, and at one point we had to stop practice and break up a huge fight, and guess who was in the middle of it? Marcus. I yelled at him for putting our whole season in jeopardy. But deep down, I got it. The leader of the team should be in the middle of a moment like that. People think he’s too nice—I would just say this: There is not one player on our team who wouldn’t walk through traffic for him.”
March 11th, 2015 at 1:13 pm
At Oregon, he had the freedom to change plays at the line—and did so three or four times a game, on average, according to Frost. He changed the protections on the Oregon front maybe one out of every seven plays.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
There’s one part where it does stray into new territory: when talking about Mariota’s experience changing plays. Scott Frost, his offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach, doesn’t like the suggestion that he’s never done that.
“To say he can’t do the things an NFL quarterback can do—I laugh when I hear people say that, and I am keeping track of all the experts who’ve said it. He changes protections, he slides protections, he shifts protections, he makes reads, he changes calls at the line. Watch our games. We have every protection at Oregon that they have in the NFL. He changed protections at the line seven or eight times a game. He completely changed the play two or three times a game.”
March 11th, 2015 at 1:16 pm
Russell Wilson ran the ball 7.4 times per game last year. Mariota ran 9.1 times per game last season at Oregon. In the biggest win of his Oregon career, the national championship semifinal trouncing of Florida State, Mariota stayed in the pocket on 23 of his 36 passes. When he left the pocket, at least five times that day he had his head up looking for receivers and intending to throw. If you want to fault Mariota for not making many anticipation throws—throwing to a spot and trusting his receiver will be where he’s supposed to be at a precise moment—or looking to his third or fourth option on a play enough, that’s fine. But if he’s supposed to play fast and throw to the first open man in his progression, and he does that most of the time, and he completes 68 percent of his throws, what exactly is the problem?
March 11th, 2015 at 1:16 pm
“Isn’t every QB a product of the system they are in? This whole “traditional” offense thing is old and tired. Innovation and system are the only ways to succeed in the NFL. Brady and Manning are under center less and less nowadays so that under center jargon is a joke.”
Agreed, not to mention how often when they drop back from under center and hand the ball off.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:16 pm
Mariota worked with Kevin O’Connell, who since has been hired by the Browns as their quarterbacks coach, for five weeks this winter in San Diego. O’Connell, you may recall, is a former Patriots third-round pick who also had cups of coffee with five other NFL teams. O’Connell taught Mariota about voice inflection, about staring linemen in the eye, about urgency, about convincing his teammates that what he was calling was the best option. More than that, each night O’Connell gave Mariota a play sheet with eight to 10 NFL play calls on it, and he told Mariota to go to his room and practice each play call multiple times—so that when they reconvened the next day at 7 a.m., Mariota would be able to rattle off the 15- to 18-word plays with conviction, with the formation, any motion involved, any shifts involved. Mariota practiced as though he was looking at Jason Peters or Maurkice Pouncey in the huddle, and he barked out the calls with conviction. No one knows if that will be enough.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:17 pm
MMQB – As a passer, the angular Mariota doesn’t have an exaggerated motion. It is compact and fast. He has an above-average fastball; not Cutler or Stafford, but every bit the velocity of Rivers or Romo. Frost has been on him about gaining weight because he doesn’t want him to be subject to early-career injuries. He will run, often, but as with Russell Wilson, he most often leaves the pocket to give receivers time to shake free.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:18 pm
OK…..I will place Skyline Firmly in the “Mariota Camp”
March 11th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
All we need to know about Marcus as a teammate showed up in that loss to OSU.
When he was pile driven into the ground Oregon OL were quick to take on the tackler and they got a penalty for their effort. It’s pretty clear what Mariota’s OL thinks of him.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
Look, Mariota is a special athlete and there hasn’t been one like him in a decade or so. I acknowledge that Winston very well could be coming to Tampa. However, there is hope left in me that we get Mariota just because of his skill set and the way the kid plays. We would be contenders for a long time. I think of the Seattle/GB/49ers/NO/Eagles offense and I just think of what could be.
Then I remember Lovie is our coach and I sit back down.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
@bucgatr
You can place me squarely in the Mariota camp as well. But I’m not a Fameis hater and if we draft him I’m OK. He’s just my second choice.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:22 pm
I have Eagle fans here at my office and they are pissed off with the Bradford trade.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:24 pm
For all those who say Winston is smart and cite his academic prowess at Florida State thank you for giving me the laugh of the century. “real recognizes real. no what I’m sayin”
March 11th, 2015 at 1:25 pm
As you probably know SPBF I am one of the founding members of the “Trade Down” crew. I have come to realize that the lack of rumors for teams wanting to trade up with us that we will most likely take a QB.
With that in mind (IF I could get all the annoying Winstonites out of my mind) I just want what is best for my team. I get paid to build stuff. The guys in that office at OBP get paid to make decisions. If it is Winston or Mariota, I will support either fully
March 11th, 2015 at 1:33 pm
@Skyline Crew
strangest trade ever…they gave up a 2nd rounder too, for a guy with injury history…makes no sense…a part of me thinks Bradford is in the plan to get Mariota in some way
March 11th, 2015 at 1:33 pm
So, I’m supposed to take the opinion of a QB (who didn’t have any success other than that “SYSTEM” he was in under Sam Wyche) about a so-called “system” QB seriously?
Pardon me for thinking for myself, but aren’t all QBs a product of their system? Bart Starr in the Lombardi system, Roger Staubach in the Landry system, Joe Montana in the Walsh system, John Elway in the Reeves/Shanahan system?
You know, I’d almost compare Marcus Mariota to John Elway in the mid to late 80s! Don’t agree? Watch Elway’s victories against Cleveland in the Playoffs…see how he moves around and runs…and tell me Mariota doesn’t look like that. I’d take that as a franchise QB any day. Sometimes I think that Boomer forgets where he came from and is full of himself…else he has some bad script writers. smh
March 11th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
Non-Crab-legs-stealing, Non-BB-gun-shooting, Non-obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, the pride of Hawaii and Oregon University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Mariota Watch, celebrating the best quarterback ever to wear No. 8 in the state of Florida.
The above is what we will be seeing after Draft day.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
You’ll post anything to support your fat boy rapist. Keep posting this garbage from a has been…..I’m sure I can find another article from another has been that’s pro Mariota.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:38 pm
It would be hard for me up here in VA if the Skins draft Mariota. Since the wife is a Skins fan I might have to get a Mariota jersey anyways just to support her you see. haha
March 11th, 2015 at 1:38 pm
And then we would have Mariota v. Winston again. Will it be the same results?
March 11th, 2015 at 1:43 pm
These Winston haters/racists/bigots are so boring.
Cute that they actually believe the decision has not been made.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:45 pm
These Mariota haters/racists/bigots are boring as well, but hey. It’s football right.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:48 pm
Boomer Esiason wamts have Tom Brady inside of him.
I haven’t cared about Boomer Esiason since he revealed his disdain for the Buccaneers organization, along with Phil Sims.
March 11th, 2015 at 1:50 pm
IF a decision has been made as SO many internet genius’ think then WHY have we not already called the kid in and given him a playbook. The NFL allows the first round pick to sign before the draft. But HEY if the decision is already made then lets waste our time having other guys in and lets not get him familiar with the offense for another two months. smh
March 11th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
@Bucgatr
I’m in complete agreement with you. Originally I too wanted to trade down and follow the Bobby Beathard logic of always multiplying your chances for success in the draft by multiplying your picks.
But the nothing ventured nothing gained crowd has convinced me we should probably go ahead and take one of the QB’s.
Mariota is my first choice and Fameis is my second, not because of off field stuff but on the field. I just believe Mariota has more upside and is more of the prototype for the NFL offenses of the future. But I’m OK with Jameis if the Buc braintrust does all their due diligence and decides…he da man!!!
March 11th, 2015 at 2:03 pm
All this arguing about Winston and Mariota when history strong suggests the best QB in this class will be taken after the first 10 picks. Most of the best QBs in the NFL were taken after the top 10 picks (save Luck and Manning). It’ll be hilarious if both sides turn out to be wrong.
March 11th, 2015 at 2:11 pm
@StPeteBucsFan
Exactly how I feel…although I do enjoy getting the Winstonites gander up 🙂
March 11th, 2015 at 2:16 pm
@Bonzai
Shame shame.
Watch it. You may bet banned. lol
March 11th, 2015 at 2:17 pm
I am getting so freaking sick and tired of people saying we should sign Jameis now.
First of all, I am firmly in the draft Jameis camp and even I think this is the dumbest thing we could do. What if he gets attacked by a rabid pack of Kimono Dragons during a trip to the Galapagos and can never play football again? What if ANYTHING happens. It’s so absurd it’s painful.
Second, I don’t think teams are allowed to do that anymore because of the new CBA. I may be wrong about whether or not it’s allowed but I know for certain that no team has done it since the rookie salary cap has been in place.
March 11th, 2015 at 2:17 pm
Bucrightoff,
I would like you to provide the proof of this. After all…”history” should support it.
Certainly worked out for Josh Freeman.
I’d also like to know where the most ELITE quarterbacks are picked. By today’s standards.
March 11th, 2015 at 2:22 pm
Cream, It is still allowed. The first pick is the only exception to the rules. IF the front office were Sold on him then there is ZERO reason to wait two more months. Think of the grasp he can have of the playbook by the time the draft rolls around and the rest of the rookies don’t even know what team they are going to
March 11th, 2015 at 2:28 pm
Mariota does have alot to learn and I’m sure it will take him all of the offseason, training camp, & preseason to learn it all… By Week 1 he should be ready to go.
March 11th, 2015 at 2:28 pm
As long as we are talking about a bunch of stupid stuff, I think the NFL should have given us picks #1 and #2, because we sucked so superlatively last year, then we could take both QB’s and have them fight it out. I don’t know who will turn out better and Esiason doesn’t either. I’m not sure the “system” argument holds water, as everyone plays in a system and there is nothing to say either can or can’t adopt to the “system” the Bucs will run. Maybe Winston has a head start, but he still may not win the race. I’ll root for either one.
March 11th, 2015 at 2:35 pm
What history do you need? Look at the guys considered top 10 right now
Brady
Rodgers
Brees
Wilson
Romo
Roethlesberger
Flacco (most do even if I personally don’t)
All from outside the top 10. Look at the top 10 guys recently besides Luck
RGIII
Bortles
Cam
Gabbert
Locker
Bradford
Tannehill
All mediocre at best (and one is retired). It does show you the draft is a crap shoot, but of late top 10 QBs have mostly not been great. Finding a great QB it seems happens more often out of the top 10 than in it. Bottom of the first round/early second seems to be the best spot (Rodgers, Brees, and Flacco)
March 11th, 2015 at 2:56 pm
How pointless. Most QB’s that thrive do so in very ideal. Scenarios. If Tom Brady was drafted by say the Bills and never teams up with Belicheck does he win four superbowls and make all pro every other year. Not likely. If Aaron Rodgers got drafted by say the Browns and never gets to sit and learn from Favre and Mccarthy for three years would he still be the bad man we know today. I doubt it. He probably gets labeled a bust early on and never recovers. If Blake Bortles got picked by Houston instead of Jville he would probably progress better given the defense, running game and weapon the Texans have.
So in theory a QB could be a HOFer on one team and a bust on another team under different circumstances in a different system. Would Mariota be a good fit in Tampa as opposed to Winston? It’s impossible to know. If someone did know for sure that person would be very rich lol. Unless said player is Jamarcus Russell who had no work ethic and wanted elite QB status handed to him while he sips on purple lemonade. That waste would be a bust on any NFL team. But I dont think either prospect is a lazy self entitled drug user like Jamarc. So let the debates continue!
March 11th, 2015 at 3:07 pm
SMFH
March 11th, 2015 at 3:10 pm
@Largobuc
Agree….I am happy that we have Koetter to design the offense for whichever QB we choose….I am encouraged that he choose the position and I think it bodes well for our future…..
March 11th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
Wow he really emphasized that system part. Repeating yourself doesn’t make your argument any more convincing.
March 11th, 2015 at 4:23 pm
Bucgatr
Again we’re in agreement!
“IF the front office were Sold on him then there is ZERO reason to wait two more months. Think of the grasp he can have of the playbook by the time the draft rolls around and the rest of the rookies don’t even know what team they are going to”
Exactly! I understand Creamsickle’s concerns about the CBA and limits on OTA’s but those are “ORGANIZED” events. I don’t believe there is any way to police Fameis Jaboo or Marcus from showing up at One Buc to work out with weights and the strength coaches on their own. And who is to stop them from wandering down the hall to chat with Koetter and look at film. From learning Koetter’s playbook. From getting together with receivers to work on timing.
What is impermissable is for the Bucs to “organize’ or “demand” such behavior.
Any truly competitive athlete would be chomping at the bit to get this head start. And that is one area where I think both Fameis and Marcus are identical. They are both fiercely competitive and show great work ethic and both are lauded as great teammates.
Sign one of them and let him get to work.
March 11th, 2015 at 4:27 pm
@largobuc
“So in theory a QB could be a HOFer on one team and a bust on another team under different circumstances in a different system.”
As you point out there is no way to truly know but I think your theory is very close to simple reality.
I’m sure plenty of posters here can chronicle stories of talented QB’s who were ruined by going to the wrong team.
John Elway and Eli Manning forced that issue in fact.
March 11th, 2015 at 5:02 pm
Eric Says:
March 11th, 2015 at 1:43 pm
“These Winston haters/racists/bigots are so boring.
Cute that they actually believe the decision has not been made.”
Cute. Ha ha ha I was thinking the same thing earlier today. Some of them are still holding out hope for Marcus or someone else. For some it’s denial. For some they just don’t know what to expect from Lovie. For some they say they just won’t be fans anymore. They’ll come to grips with this sooner than later Eric. It’s just around the corner…
March 11th, 2015 at 5:02 pm
Steve Young could be an example. We let him go and look how he did. Look at Cassel in NE. Great year, but hasn’t done anything since.
March 11th, 2015 at 5:12 pm
Bucrightoff,
You’re missing:
Manning
Manning
Rivers
Ryan
Stafford
Palmer
Smith
Luck (I’m not sure why he should be excluded)
We can debate how good any particular QB might be, but lets not intentionally ignore the instances that oppose your opinion.
March 11th, 2015 at 6:12 pm
Hey more system QB have made it in the NFL than Jimbo fisher quarterbacks.
March 11th, 2015 at 7:08 pm
System.
There I’ll add a 4th system for Boomer for him.
March 11th, 2015 at 10:50 pm
Yes I much prefer a traditional QB, especially one that is as mobile as Josh Freeman, but not quite as fast as Eli Manning…one that struggles with weight issues….I ESPECIALLY love those types of COLLEGE QB’s…
…ESPECIALLY when they don’t have an offensive line!
Yes, I’m sipping some Woodford Reserve and I’m begging to see what you Kid Fameis clowns see…I’m SO egggsCITED!!
March 11th, 2015 at 10:53 pm
Anyone choosing the word “cerebral” to describe the former BENGAL QB named “Boomer” …isn’t, and shouldn’t.
Mariota’s the best QB in this draft.
March 11th, 2015 at 10:55 pm
And since I AM cerebral (in my own mind…) I can say that, sincerely.
March 11th, 2015 at 11:01 pm
@IStillBleedOrange:
Great Point – YES! Boomer was in a system that the other teams in the NFL could NOT shut down – so the league stepped in a regulated it out of existence…but not until AFTER Sam and “Boomer” took their road show to the Super Bowl.
Sam got his “System” banned just before coming to Tampa…
Boomer…not only NOT cerebral…he’s a hypocrite.