“O-line, O-line, O-line, O-line”
March 27th, 2015
Longtime NFL offensive coordinator and former Chargers head coach Kevin Gilbride talks about the Bucs’ second pick in the draft
As Joe has written previously, there is mayhem and rioting at JoeBucsFan.com world headquarters.
One camp believes it is likely and wise for the Bucs to draft a defensive end after selecting Jameis Winston No. 1 overall. The other camp thinks Tampa Bay would be out of its skull to not draft an offensive lineman with its second pick.
Well, it seems the latter platoon has former Chargers head coach and longtime Oilers and Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride in its corner.
Gilbride was on Pro Football Talk on NBC Sports Network last night, where he did a fantastic film breakdown of Jameis Winston. (More on that this weekend) Asked what the Bucs should do in the draft after selecting Winston, here was Gilbride’s response:
“O-line, O-line, O-line, O-line,” Gilbride said. “It’ll help Jameis Winston. It’ll also help their running game. They’ve got some runners, but they’ve got to get somebody who can open the holes.”
It sure is hard to argue to argue with Gilbride. Once Winston is drafted, the Bucs’ priorities would change immediately.
March 27th, 2015 at 11:33 am
And WITHOUT huge improvement on the offensive line……..Jameis will be limping, the backup QB will be getting sacks and the Bucs will average 55 yards per game on the ground.
March 27th, 2015 at 11:34 am
Agreed. Unless something insane like Randy Gregory falling all the way to the Bucs second pick, it should be best O-line available.
March 27th, 2015 at 11:42 am
We’re in good hands, Lovie knows offense. He has been studying up all offseason.
March 27th, 2015 at 11:54 am
The sissy 49ers tackle was just released, the one who got in the hissy down in Miami with Richie Incognito. After 1 year the Niners kicked him to the curb.
March 27th, 2015 at 11:59 am
I’m no expert but it seems to me if you get a shiny new Cadillac you want to
Park it in the garage too protect it. Our D-line needs help, but not as much as Jameis and our running game. Re-build the o-line.
March 27th, 2015 at 12:03 pm
pro football focus ranked our offensive line 24th in 2014 under lovie, why is it the falcons dirk koetters offensive line was ranked like 30th last year and matt ryan still did just fine? neither team had a running game to speak of or a defense. offensive coordinator can adjust apparently because the falcons offense was still light years ahead of ours and no one talked about their line more then the entire defense. we simply need a quarterback because apparently being a 6’7 quarterback doesn’t help at all. Winston will get us more wins in his first 8 games than glenonn has his entire career too
March 27th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
EVERY Buc fan on the planet knows we need O-line help. Can’t see why some people keep repeating what poor Winston is going to have to go through if the line doesn’t get fixed.
WE know the line needs lots of work.
March 27th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
I agree with Rob. Unless we get a Sapp like miracle and Randy Gregory drops within reach I go with everybody. OL..OL..OL.
We really should research Gregory though. It it’s just weed like Sapp who came from a loving family and could easily straighten up, and not a chaotic family situation like Talib then we should really be checking this guy. Out. If he drops out of the top ten we should be ready with draft picks perhaps a player like MG8 or Martin to move up to the teens from 34th to nab Gregory.
The thought of Gregory teaming with our current DT’s and Smith on the other side is very exciting.
March 27th, 2015 at 12:11 pm
We need to find two starting offensive lineman quick… It will depend on who is available when we pick in the second and third rounds…
Don’t expect Lovie Smith to pass on a pass rusher if one with a high rating falls to us in the second round… We can still find a starting guard in round 3…
March 27th, 2015 at 12:13 pm
I honestly would still prefer O-line over Gregory. That’s how bad I want an all O-line draft lol. I also just don’t trust Gregory to not screw up again and miss significant time. Nothing against pot; but it’s a huge risk to take on given he failed 2 tests while in school; and failed at the combine KNOWING that was his primary red flag and only thing needed to avoid.
DE is top heavy in this draft – most the elite talents will go in the top 12-15; while there is a batch of guys projected to be immediate starting RTs/C/G in the 2nd & 3rd rounds. I’d rather go Winston/O-line/O-line/DE if we had to priortize. Take a project DE with good physical intangibles to coach up. Most rookie DE’s don’t contribute immediately anyway if not a high pick
March 27th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
all you have to do at the very least is draft one starting lineman preferably left tackle. if quarterback can be looked at as stop gaps until you find your guy or drafted starter develops then why assume it wont happen at the line, doesn’t take a whole season for someone to separate themselves from the pack. lol granted no one did that last year but under the circumstances I’m sure even the players wanted the season over with quickly
March 27th, 2015 at 12:27 pm
It all comes down to who’s available with the second pick. The Bucs need O-lineman in a bad way, but they shouldn’t take an inferior prospect if there’s a player available with a much higher rating. The draft looks top heavy with edge rushers, one of them might fall. On the other hand, one of the O-lineman could fall as well. Take the BPA that also fills a need.
March 27th, 2015 at 12:31 pm
Priority One….Draft a potential franchise QB
Priority Two….Protect him
Priorty Three..Protect him
Priority Four…Protect him
March 27th, 2015 at 12:38 pm
1. QB
2. LT
3. OG
4. DE
5. C
6. Returner
7. FB/Punter
March 27th, 2015 at 12:41 pm
Draft can’t fix everything, if you’re lucky you’ll get one good linemen, maybe two if you spend more draft picks on them. Right now the only respectable blockers are Dotson and Mankins (though Mankins effort was disgustingly questionable at times), and nobody is really “great”. The fact that the dust has settled since the free agency dinner bell rang weeks ago and the Bucs have come away with NO HELP on the O-line (not even a depth signing), that speaks volumes.
March 27th, 2015 at 12:48 pm
I like Yungry’s plan depending on who is available.
Based on draft boards it seems most guys are projected RTs in the 1st/2nd rounds with only a few being potential LTs eventually. I’d like to take the potential LT if available over anything else.. But if not I’d prefer a G/C in the 2nd since i think a physical guy like Pamphile has a decent chance of being a good RT for us.
March 27th, 2015 at 12:57 pm
we’ll get o line help when we trade the 1st pick. just hope jameis lies low enough to get some other teams interested.
thats the problem, others are not interested, stated by jimbo himself.
very telling
March 27th, 2015 at 1:00 pm
koetter will make the OL look a lot better though with some decent play calling.
March 27th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
Due to Randy Gregory failing a drug test he will fall but not past 1st rnd. That could cause Eli Harold to fall to the 2nd. We grab him with our 2nd trade back in and get OT Jake Fisher
March 27th, 2015 at 1:43 pm
Not sure that I understand the logic here.
Randy Gregory is good, very good. But he’s apparently got ‘issues’ … as in, he might end up missing a few games (or a season or two) if he doesn’t straighten out his ‘issues’.
So if 31 other teams pass on him because of his ‘issues’, the Bucs MUST be the ones to snatch him up with our 2nd round, 34th pick in the draft.
This despite the fact that our OLine stinks, and will continue to stink unless we get at least 2 new bodies in there (preferably via the draft).
I wonder if that type of logic is why we draft so poorly year after year after year. Also wonder if our 2-14 record might hold a clue as to the answer to that question.
March 27th, 2015 at 2:04 pm
The Gregory falling to the 2nd Round sounds like the Bowers situation all over again. All 32 teams passed and we nibbled on the bait and got caught with the hook.
March 27th, 2015 at 2:25 pm
DE is undeniably a need, nonetheless I cannot imagine how anyone in their right mind would think we should use our 2nd pick on one over OL.
We can survive on the DL with what we have now (if need be) we will not survive with our OL the way it is now, and we also risk ruining JW or MM by letting them be manhandled by defenders all year. no point in drafting a franchise QB if he is ruined forever after 1-2 years
March 27th, 2015 at 2:38 pm
You will not find a quality defensive end in the fourth round… Very, very, very unlikely… However, you may find a potentially good center/guard or perhaps a small but speedy slot receiver/kick returner…
Lots of solid receivers and lineman in this draft… There is not a whole lot of defensive end talent in this draft and zero left after round #2… A majority of teams are looking for so done to rush the passer… Finding one in round four will not happen…
March 27th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
Someone not some done…
March 27th, 2015 at 2:44 pm
Aside from QB which will be handled with the 1st pick – OLine is by far this team’s biggest weakness. Draft well, draft early and draft often for OLine over the next 2 years and the problem will resolve itself.
Cam Erving in round 2 and Tre Jackson in round 3 would be amazing and would provide some great continuity for Winston – but that’s probably a stretch to hope those 2 would still be available in those spots.
Gator fans would be up in arms about going with FSU players for 3 early picks – but that’s just a bonus – LOL
March 27th, 2015 at 3:29 pm
DE Golden from Missouri is projected in rounds 3-5 and only is ranked there because he is 6’2. If we can snag him in the 4th it would be a steal! However, O-line has to take priority unless you like watching Cousns, Gilkey and our new QB listed on the St. Joseph’s Hospital roster.
March 27th, 2015 at 3:38 pm
Golden is only put in rounds 3-5 because his body fits more of a 4-3 scheme DE and he ran a 3-4 scheme in college. They don’t know what he will do in a
4-3 scheme , but he is likely too do well. 6 ft 2 260 and he may have added more weight too his frame also. Most 4-3 DEs are 6 ft 3 270 I would say anyhow so he’s not that far off from being a possible steal in the 4th-5th rd. The big question with him is what kind of exp does he bring with him too the table from a 4-3 perspective. If he has none then might not even wanna take a risk on him.
March 27th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
As for the article about an O lineman being taken in round 2 after Winston , yes we absolutely should go this route . Simple because rookie DEs do not typically turn out too be anything special . At least not for tb. We are cursed from drafting DEs now a days. We took Adrian Clayborn he had problems staying healthy. Even before he got too tb he had that disease where one of his arms were partially paralyzed. Daquan bowers was gonna be a #1 pick before that knee injury . Then he had the Achilles tendon injury then he gained weight , then he played out his contract as an avg DT. Steven means was a 5th rd pick and had about as much success as bowers . We really just shouldn’t draft 4-3 DEs in TB anymore unless it’s an obvious and clear choice in the 1st round.
I have TBBUCS selecting Swing Tackle Jake Fisher from Oregon . He’s quick on his feet , big and strong . Comes from an excellent run game in Oregon so I’m sure he can run block . Rarely ever saw him go to the ground from anyone on defense. Lovie Smth like versatile O lineman that can play 2 or more positions on the line and that Jake Fisher can do. Jake fisher also was told by Oregon O line coach that he should be a better O lineman than pro bowl G Kyle Long .
March 27th, 2015 at 3:55 pm
Jonathan Martin was released from San Francisco today. I know he’s not a great player but he might be good to pick up on waivers with his low salary.
March 27th, 2015 at 4:02 pm
I would like too think Josh Allen backup center is gonna be good enough too start in the near future and possibly taking over completely for Evan Dietrich Smith . Making EDS start at RG or be a backup G/C . I would also like too think Kevin Pamphile has a very extreme chance at playing RT on this team for TB. Not because we have nobody else , but because he has potential . If anything would be a cheap young quality backup . Demar at LT or RT regardless fills the teams needs on 1/5th of the line . With better play calling and a more solid defense this team has potential too improve drastically.
March 27th, 2015 at 4:03 pm
Jonathan Martin was released because he isn’t good and he knows he isn’t good so he’s trying too she the league so he can get paid and retire from the NFL.
March 27th, 2015 at 4:05 pm
Matt,
Good stuff! Thanks for the info
March 27th, 2015 at 4:31 pm
Martin was “bullied” and quit the Dolphins. Somehow, I don’t think he has that tough and nasty attitude that the Bucs need on their OLine. Crybabies and whiners need not apply.
March 27th, 2015 at 5:44 pm
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
· 1h 1 hour ago
Panthers announced they claimed former 49ers and Dolphins OT Jonathan Martin on waivers.
March 27th, 2015 at 6:32 pm
I think they have to address DE and o-line. Both are in dire straights. They need to draft the best left tackle or DE end in round 2. R Gregory won’t fall out of the first (not even close) but I am guessing there will be a couple of stud DEs available and few if any quality LTs available. Round 3 they need to find the best RG out there as any left tackle that would still be on the board probably would be a project at best. Round 4 take a center or take a flyer on a DE. After that everything is a crap shoot and we just hope they get lucky with a player or two tat can contribute.
Btw, Landry was on 620 today and said Bucs will be lucky to get a 5th rounder for Glennon. He said if they get that much they should be happy. Hopefully they can work a trade because we need all the picks we can get.
March 27th, 2015 at 7:22 pm
Bucfan4life …fantastic, let Glennon go sit on some other teams bench.
March 27th, 2015 at 8:31 pm
BPA
March 28th, 2015 at 1:44 am
to argue i SAY to argue with a person with a tungs flappin and nothing acomin out is about as pointless as a white crayon.
March 28th, 2015 at 1:49 am
anybody ever thought the oline was just bad coaching
March 28th, 2015 at 2:33 am
As right as he may be, I agree more with yours and Deumig’s talk the other day:
– Draft is too deep on pass rashers not to get an impact guy at the top of the second rd/end of the first.
– Better quality of OL is in the middle rounds.
Whether right or not in the past, I hope Bucs stick with their draft board with best available.
March 28th, 2015 at 10:30 am
O-line is, by far, the biggest need for this team, even more so than QB. I agree though that this is the Bucs chance to get that franchise QB they have never had, so they have to make that pick, but if they don’t make at least a couple changes on the line, it’s going to be a long season for whoever the QB is. I just would hate to see Jameis turn into Derek Carr 2.0, spending his first couple seasons on his back. McClown took a $#!+ kicking last year and there was no run game to speak of and it made the Bucs a very predictable team. After the Baltimore Beatdown I couldn’t take it anymore. Plus I got tired of seeing McClown’s face squashed into his helmet.
April 3rd, 2015 at 12:56 pm
What is the point in drafting Winston w/o an OL to protect him? Some say that Dotson, Mankins and perhaps that over-rated C the Bucs got from the Pack are “serviceable”…. Serviceable is a nice way of saying mediocre at best, more likely below average starters who should be back ups and that is the best Tampa has in the offensive trenches….. So L&L to steal a quote from Tarantino’s Winston Wolf to a idiotically defiant Vince Vega: “Pretty please with sugar on it; draft some ****ing OL help with the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks after you nab Winston”…..