Smokescreens
March 23rd, 2015
Yes, Joe knows Lovie Smith floated the possibility from the NFL Owners Meetings in Phoenix this weekend that the Bucs could trade down and pass on Jameis Winston, which would make all the knuckledraggers happy and all but kill off Bucs fandom for a generation.
Heavy metal head-banging Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports isn’t buying this rhetoric. LaCanfora is “this close” to penciling in Winston to the Bucs with the draft now some five long weeks away.
And the more the draft comes into play and the more quarterback-needy teams study the available talent, the more I become convinced that Marcus Mariota is going second overall. I remain in the camp that says this isn’t a Tampa smokescreen – the Bucs brass is increasingly sold on Jameis Winston with the first-overall pick – and while Mariota’s Pro Day was far from convincing and several teams still harbor doubts about how pro-ready he is, the old rules of supply and demand will apply.
Yes, Lovie is known to speak half-truths (Darrelle Revis, blade-in-the-thigh Mike Williams and, oh yeah, Mike Glennon is the quarterback of the future yet he was benched twice for turnover-prone, never-been Josh McCown). But this still scares the hell out of Joe; the Bucs would pass on Winston.
Joe is convinced if Team Glazer signs off on such a move, then it proves what Joe has been saying for years: that in the age of rivers of TV revenue, ticket sales for NFL teams are no longer a primary concern.
Good luck selling any season tickets if the Bucs don’t draft a quarterback and trot out the SOS they have been for far too long.
Yes, the Bucs have many holes. None larger than quarterback. This is not the year to trade down under any circumstance.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:04 pm
SOS means Spit on a Shingle right??? I’m a Navy guy so you have to be specific. That term pretty much applies here.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:06 pm
Same old…
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:08 pm
it’s a navy term, it stands for save our ship.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:13 pm
Meat:
LOL Yes, the Bucs’ ship needs saving!
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:16 pm
“which would make all the knuckledraggers happy and all but kill off Bucs fandom for a generation.”
Don’t forget past generations too Joe. There’s a lot of us that will just throw in the towel. It might be temporary or might it be for good.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:18 pm
Sorry Joe, but you are way off on this one. The Bucs know that if they do draft Winston that they will lose a HUGE group of fans and season ticket holders. And lots of your “sources” have been acknowledging that. Kill off a generation of Buc fandom? Hardly. If Bucs don’t draft a QB, make other moves to strengthen their team and start winning then fans will be happy. If they draft one of these overrated QB’s, mainly Winston, and they don’t win or he continues his patterns of stupid behavior or mass interceptions then fans will be lost. Personally, I think at this point the Bucs should just take the fan’s opinions completely out of the equation and just do what they think is best for their team, whether it be draft a QB, draft somebody else or trade down for more picks and players. I know that’s hard to do with decreased ticket sales looking you in the face, but overall it will be best. However, it’s Lovie, Licht and the Bucs, so we know anything is possible and expect the unexpected
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:19 pm
@Joe
I’ve been searching, googling and cannot find out if the last CBA prevents the Bucs from signing their QB as soon as they’ve made their decision.
I realize in the old days teams did this routinely to insure they wouldn’t waste a pick on someone with whom they could not come to terms. I also realize that today’s bracketed rookie salaries have eliminated that need.
But if it’s still legal for a team to sign the #1 pick before the draft I simply cannot understand why the Bucs would not do that ASAP. Imagine the head start for training camp. The new QB would already know Koetter’s playbook.
The downside is pretty much a joke. As if somebody is going to offer RGIII like picks for our spot.
If it’s legal go ahead and get the kid in camp. Sell some season tickets. If it’s Fameis get the off field blowback behind us long before the season.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:19 pm
Joe continues to repeat this idea that this isn’t the year to trade down. What would Joe say if they traded down, got 2 additional #1s, were able to draft pro bowl level DE and OT, then drafted a QB like Bryce Petty or Brett Hundley? There are strategies that might accomplish more overall for building the talent level at crucial positions, and still satisfy the need for a QB. If they made such a move for Petty or Hundley, because Koetter and Bajakian thought they could be developed into above average NFL starters, would Joe spend eternity complaining that they didn’t draft Jameis?
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:21 pm
Talking food reference not flags or morris code…I know the difference
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:23 pm
First Joe has heard of that. Gotta link to someone with the Bucs stating this?
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:24 pm
If the Bucs were sold on either QB or knew exactly what they were going to do with that #1 pick, there would be no smokescreens plus those 2 QB’s would not be working out for other teams. Bucs haven’t decided yet, may not be sold on either QB and they are letting the other teams know that they are open for business
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:26 pm
Yeah, let us break the mold of Buccaneers past and now for something entirely different. I thought that pic was Kent St.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:27 pm
Again, Petty is one of those spread guys. Projection.
NFL folks are not near as high on Hundley as some fans are.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:28 pm
Bucs#1…welcome back Mr Patrick.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:30 pm
When are you boneheads going to realize Winston is the best prospect since Luck….been 40 years without franchise QB. Top Qbs win consistently… Brees, Manning, Brady, Rogers. Always in running end of year.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:33 pm
Yes, Lovie has been lying since he arrived here, starting with the declaration that he could go 8-8 with the defense he had in place…….
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:33 pm
As far as NFL “writers” go….
Jay Glazer >>>>>>>>>>>>>Schefter>>>>>>>Dog feces>>>>>>Cat urine>>>>La Canfora
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:34 pm
Bucs#1 Don’t know where you are getting that from.
Every poll I’ve ever seen has a very very small % of people wanting Bucs to trade down. I was just reading an article saying how the twitter hate / general online hate for Winston has really died down; and another NFL.com video has guys like Daniel Jeremiah and some other dude (forgot his name) saying how they think the perception of Winston has totally changed as teams have gotten to know him.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:34 pm
You know im tired of the Bucs being irrelevant on a national scale. Its like no one cares about the Bucs theres no interest. Hell BSPN talking heads dont even remember our superbowl team when talking about all time great defenses! So even winning dosent make peopls care about the Bucs, or more specificaly Tampa Bay. But hey if we can draft Jameis Winston then cool we’re kinda relevant this summer. Of he wins then yeah we can be kind of relevant and that will only build up the more we win with Jameis. But if we do trade down we will be an afterthought even if we’re winning. It sounds shallow but part of the reason I want us to draft Jameis is to be relevant. Im tired of TB being an afterthought that people laugh at. We beat the spit out of the Redskins last fall. Not only on the scoreboard but in the field our defense was out there hitting people all day. RG3 couldn’t get comfortable and at the end of the day, he got his as$ beat. But did we get praise? No. The bationsl heads just about laugh at the skins and its about how they lost instead of about how our defense dominated. Thats bull! And im sick of it!
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:35 pm
I will turn in my 5 season tickets that I have had since 2001 if they take Winston. I have 3 young boys ( 14 and under ) who go to the game. Maybe he did not rape that girl but he had 2 of his buddies in the room with him at the time he was screwing her. That tells me enough about his moral judgement. So take notice Glazers there is a lot more than me
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:41 pm
Pearl Harbor isn’t the best “smokescreen” reference :?/
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:44 pm
RJ Chris
That’s not correct. He had two teammates in the living room while they were in the bedroom. 1 roommate peaked in the room as he passed it on his way to the bathroom. This is what kids do, he peaked in saw her giving JW fellatio and started giggling as kids would do.
Before you make up your mind feel free to read the sworn statements then decide.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:44 pm
Luther
If I didn’t know any better I would swear that you’ve been eating my ex-wife’s cooking, lol
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:48 pm
RJ Chris
I would have to ask my daughter WTF is she thunking getting in a cab with 3 football player to go home alone with? Late at night, after the club without any of her friends.
And I would have to ask myself how do you force a women to give you fellatio without fear of biting. I need that for personal reference. Wifey has fallen off lately if you know what I mean. Lol
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:51 pm
@WS99 – You’re FACTS are wrong. Casher admitted to videotaping the encounter and then conveniently erased it and got rid of the phone. It was evidence that could’ve cleared Winston or damned him. Personally, anyone that cheats, lies, vandalizes, steals and possibly rapes is not someone I want as the face of our franchise.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:53 pm
RJ Chris
You and many, many thousands with you and the Bucs know it
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:55 pm
Time
I didn’t see that in any of the information I read. Would you happen to have a link or source? I’ll be happy to provide my source if you wish.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:56 pm
God has Jaboo’s back in Chicago and his mind is as ease!
https://instagram.com/p/0ijdoyBMXy/
The haters are not getting to him one little bit. Soon to be rich while the losers on here keep commenting from their mama’s laptop.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:58 pm
WS99 thank you, I completely understand not liking someone who is doing things very morally wrong, but ALL of the evidence is proving that Winston was just being a young dude. Daniel Jeremiah did a great job of digging through Winston’s past and all he could get out of it was a little bit of immaturity. Even when people say that Winston stood on the table and screamed F her right in the p, they are completely wrong! He was walking down stairs joking around with some peers and some dbag tweeted that Winston was standing on the table. RJChris, I’m sorry but if you refuse to redo your season tickets this year because of YOUR perception on Winston, then you my friend, are very ingorant and I feel bad that your kids have been raised by someone who would rather listen to the media (WHICH EVERYONE KNOWS FABRICATES STORIES AND IS BIASED) than do your f-ing job as a parent and try to find the truth for yourself.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:58 pm
@ WS99
” In his police interview, Casher admitted to recording video of the encounter. He said he later deleted it and no longer had the phone”
USA today – you don’t know very much about the case then. You’ve probably been reading FSU propaganda. That’s what it sounds like to me. Come back when you actually know about the case not what you’re FSU buddies tell you.
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:59 pm
@ St. Pete
The Bucs (since they have the first overall pick) are permitted to sign their pick before the draft….so there is nothing to prohibit this other than the timing….I’m not sure the Bucs gain much with the extra time…..and it would make things sort of anticlimatic.
I’m in the “old-school” I want to see my first pick on the stage with Goddell getting his hat & #1 Buc jersey….
At this point, I’m wore out…just pick one of them.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:01 pm
Joe
Wow, I’m surprised that you missed all of that(cough cough). I even posted a link about it and you very quickly took it down. Ira Kaughman, Roy Cummings, and even your boy Dom have all acknowledged it recently that Bucs may be trying to prepare fans for their drafting of Winston who they know will be a very unpopular pick with the majority of Bucs fans. Go look up their recent twitter and TBO postings yourself as I have already posted a link once.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:01 pm
“I completely understand not liking someone who is doing things very morally wrong, but ALL of the evidence is proving that Winston was just being a young dude.”
Cheating on the love of your life(and future wife) isn’t morally wrong?
Sure…ok…right pal
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:02 pm
We have the #1 pick. No reason to do smoke screens.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:02 pm
I think the Bucs wouod be wise to pass on Winston and draft Mariota. Winston is a Neanderthal QB compared to Mariota. The knuckledraggers’ choice is to either draft Winston or trade down.
Don’t get it twisted, Joe. SMH
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:06 pm
We all did stupid crap growing up and I am not standing on a pedestal but this guy smells trouble. Per the NFL Network this guy is one of the most hated sports figures in all of sports. Is that who the bucs want to lead this team ?
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:06 pm
Lovie hasn’t told any lies.
There is room for a great corner in the tampa two. Just not that corner at that price.
Glennon was the QB of the future until Lovie saw him play.
Coaches make statements like that all the time. “we feel real good about so and so” then so and so is cut. Happens on every NFL team all the time.
Go Lovie.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:11 pm
Time
Well I was planning on engaging with you but after your last comment I can see its a waste of time.
There is more than info available for everyone to make their own decisions.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:12 pm
Although i believe it is permitted, i can’t think of one instance when it has actually happened. I believe that GMs are too safe in this situation to actually pull a move like this. Almost like a “gotta wait till the last possible minute to see if we get any trade offers”.
Even with Luck, when everyone and their grandfather knew that the Colts were taking him, I think I remember the Colts waiting until their time was almost up to actually announce the pick.
I agree with you, though. If it is still permissable, they should just get it out the way and get him in the building.
Andrew Luck visited with the Redskins as well…
Per SB Nation
What’s your argument now?
Maybe you should worry about YOU being the positive influence in your childrens lives vs. a 21 year old college athlete.
I’m so tired of the “oh, how can my kids look up to a guy like that”.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:12 pm
RJ chris
Muhammad Ali was hated also probably more so.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:12 pm
For example Greg Schiano declared that “Josh Freeman is our quarterback”.
The fact that did not hold up does not make him a liar.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:15 pm
@ WS99
No need to engage me. If you were actually well versed about the case you would’ve known that detail. TPD did a horrific job on following up on leads and it has caused both parties problems. Anyone who thinks justice was served is truly ignorant.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:18 pm
@Underdog haha…glad my wife can actually cook very well.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:20 pm
Any “fans” lost will be negligible. When Winston helps turn the offense around and the wins start happening in frequency, new fans will be gained, and most of the ones lost will get back on the filling band wagon. No big deal.
The people on here who complain about Winston are the same ones who complained in January, just with different screen names.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:20 pm
Time- who cares about his gf?! It’s a college gf who is a big time athlete at another school! And obviously if they are still together she forgave him. Look I don’t get in to other people relationships. That’s none of my business. All I’m saying is people need to do their own HW on the subject and not just make irrational decisions based on media. If something surfaced that we had proof that Winston did anything non consensual then I would be the first person to hate him because I know people personally that have victims of sexual assault. But to trash this kids reputation and life because the news told us he’s a bad person is so so so wrong. Hitler was on the cover of Time magazine for man of the year…
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:22 pm
Just listened to the casher interview again and there was no mention of video taping but if you say so then I guess we should just burn Winston on the cross and be done with it. Eyes so ignant I dah dah dumb. Thank you kind sir fo educating us po folks. Thanks you sir. Thanks you kindly sir. Yes sir thanks youz very much.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:22 pm
My family has season tickets since ’76, my father was on the committee petitioning the NFL for a franchise. I was about 12 when Vinny was drafted and he was in the news for domestic violence against his girlfriend. She was the aerobics instructor at my Mother’s spa/gym (mademoiselle)and I heard her telling my father about seeing her with a bruised face. I was confused and hurt because I loved the Bucs and was excited to see Vinny and the Bucs succeed. My Father sat me down and used it as a teaching opportunity. He explained that like everyone else star athletes they aren’t perfect and that it is never alright to hit a woman etc..
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:25 pm
@ Indy
She’s not just some college GF. They are highschool sweethearts and she is his future wife. He lied to her. He cheated on her. He’s a thief. He’s a scumbag. I guess I see a very troubled person. A person I do not want on my team. I couldn’t cheer for a terrible person like that.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:26 pm
Stanglass
NO! A 19 year old kid MUST be held accountable! Doesn’t matter the circumstances. OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:26 pm
Time- how do you know she hasn’t cheated?
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:29 pm
@ WS99
Google is your friend. Does that change your opinion of Winston and he two buddies? I bet that wasn’t the first time either. How about the 2nd girl that needed counseling after an encounter with Winston? Did you know about the 2nd girl? I don’t think you know half of what you though you did. Winston is not a good person…at all.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:30 pm
We have plenty players that are the face of the franchise for the Bucs. Winston will just be in the background. Have your kids look up to Evans or Jackson or players on the defense. Nothing to see here. Still got my fingers crossed for Mariota though. However, if Glennon still here I would venture to say Winston is probably the pick. Wouldn’t make since to have Glennon and Mariota. Glennon would be a poor backup in a scheme suited for Mariota. Glennon is more of a Winston scheme type.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:31 pm
And if you think he’s a thief go ahead and read what actually happened with the crab legs, don’t know if you know this, but he did steal soda from Burger King. He used the ketchup cups to drink free (stolen) soda. Horrible horrible horrible person he is!! I hope you have never eaten a grape from the grocery store without paying for it!
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:31 pm
“Time Says:
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:58 pm
@ WS99
” In his police interview, Casher admitted to recording video of the encounter. He said he later deleted it and no longer had the phone”
If you read the actual State Attorneys Report, Casher admitted recording a portion of the incident. PORTION.
The lock on the door was broken and both Casher and Darby admitted walking in at different times. But, neither were there for the entire event. But, both did see Kinsman engaging in consensual sex, including her performing oral sex (as evidenced by her red knees in the hospital report), and riding him.
I know it’s way easier to read a USA today article (READING IS HARD), but, the SAO report actually gives the facts.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:31 pm
Point taken WS99. But MA was political and I think there’s no comparison. I played Minor League baseball for 4 years and played with Gary Sheffield he gave the Brewers so much sh*t that the next year they drafted his cousin somewhere around the 50th round just to try to calm him down it didnt work and they traded him to San Diego. This is so eerily similar to me .
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:32 pm
Joe
Thanks for calling us knuckledraggers, sticks and stones bro.
Will Winston be a winning QB day 1?
Can we say with Winston, playoffs are a done deal and it’s just a matter if we win the superbowl?
OK, so with Winston you are asking for a 2 year wait and see.
What happens if Winston isn’t the savor you hoping for? We won’t know till 3rd year, Jamarcus Russell got 3 so will Winston.
So if he’s a flop, 4 years from now we’ll be starting over hoping that in 2 – 3 years the next guy will work out.
Kill off Bucs fandom? You are betting 5 – 7 years of competitive play on Winston. to borrow a Joe’ism, is he the 4th best QB in the division? 4th best QB gets you a 4th best team.
Picking Winston isn’t splitting Aces, it’s mortgaging the house. Getting back to winning day 1 is how you get the people to buy tickets in Sept again, not a 2 – 3 year bet on a kid.
Winning is the best medicine, just ask Cleveland how betting on a college QB to turn things around works.
But that’s us knuckledraggers, those that have been waiting around for a winning season since Sleepy Freeman.
How about that, about 5 – 6 years ago…. just about the same amount of time a Winston Flop would result in.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:32 pm
RJ Chris says:
“he had 2 of his buddies in the room with him at the time he was screwing her. That tells me enough about his moral judgement. ”
Maybe if you actually took the time to educate yourself about the incident in question – you could provide a reasonable response and viewpoint. Winston’s buddies were the creeps. They were spying on Winston and Erica through the cracked bedroom door which was broken and wouldn’t close properly. Even took some video with a phone without permission from the subjects of their filming and then erased it so they wouldn’t get in trouble for filming without permission. Then one of them came into the room (hoping to get in on the sex) and was told to get out. Winston was just doing what all 19 year olds want to do. Have sex with a semi-attractive blond. He didn’t know she was gonna go all psycho on him and make up the rape accusation after the fact.
Your internet threats of turning in season tickets if they draft Winston aren’t going to influence anyone’s decision – and if you refuse to support the team because you assume the worst of a young man based on ignorance of facts – then you are not the kind of “fan” this team needs anyway.
Winston will bring wins and wins will bring fans to the stadium. He’s not a bad person and your assumption that he is a bad person without even looking into the facts makes your “threat” to withhold your children from the games sound pretty sad.
“Daddy – how come we don’t go to see the Bucs games anymore?”
“Because the Bucs drafted a QB that daddy thinks did bad things to a woman.”
“Did he really do those things Daddy? If he did bad things to a woman – wouldn’t they put him in jail?”
“Um – well its complicated honey. She said he did but he said he didn’t – and the police and courts said there was no evidence to prove that he did – so that’s why he’s not in jail.”
“Daddy – We learned in school that in America – people accused of a crime are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Why do you think the Bucs QB did something bad to that woman if the police and courts say he didn’t?”
“um – well- er- uh…”
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:36 pm
@TBBF
“.I’m not sure the Bucs gain much with the extra time…”
1.) Familiarity with Koetter’s playbook
2.) An extra month to work with Bajakian on any mechanical improvements and tutoring in how to read NFL defenses
3.) Under the guidance of OUR strength and fitness guys who could monitor the workouts at OBP
4.) If it’s Fameis…let the firestorm of the backlash wash over us in April and be long over by August.
5.) Fameis could certainly find a spot to toss some passes with ASJ..VJAX and Evans as well as perhaps Sims. At least two of these guys had abbreviated seasons and could probably benefit as much as Fameis.
6.) Put all the bickering about Fameis versus MM to rest.
The ONLY downside is we give up any chance to trade down. As you pointed out TBBF if we do not take a QB then we should trade down. There is no clear #1 talent in this draft outside of the QB position. No generational DE’s or LT’s.
Does anybody here still believe somebody is going to cough up multiple #1’s and later round picks? Really? Which team has those kinds of picks to squander and also has a desperate need to reach #1. The closest was Kelly and he’s made his QB move. Plus he put the kabosh on that early on.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:37 pm
“Time Says:
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:29 pm
@ WS99
How about the 2nd girl that needed counseling after an encounter with Winston? Did you know about the 2nd girl? I don’t think you know half of what you though you did. Winston is not a good person…at all.”
You mean the one that clearly said it was consensual? MEANING NO CRIME HAD OCCURRED.
If every girl who got buyers remorse after giving it away the night before was considered a sexual assault victim, we would run out of college aged females.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:37 pm
If Bucs were all in on The Creep, then we would’ve already known it. It wouldn’t even be a discussion.
But there’s Trouble in Whoville (OBP); How The Creepy Crab stole a Franchise. “I like green eggs and ham, If she’s passed out and drunk I don’t give a dam. When’s she’s lying there moaning I find it amused until she awoke and then I’m accused”. -TheCreepyCrab
#DP #HGH #PEDs #BrainDeadRetard
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:39 pm
Winston should be tried, arrested and convicted (if there was any evidence of wrong doing) this is an injustice and I will no longer stand for it!!!!!
He should burn at the stake!!
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:40 pm
What about the fact that SHE belonged to the FSUcleatchasers? But when this Winston crap happened, she all of a sudden dropped out. Hmmmmmm You’re in a group known for sleeping with FSU athletes, people took pictures of them making out on the dance floor, and then boom rape! I mean there’s no way that this girl could’ve fabricated this story because 1 she had a BF at the time, and 2 there was no way to know that Winston was going to the nfl… To me it smells like she wanted a payday.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:41 pm
Bucs#1 Says:
March 23rd, 2015 at 1:18 pm
Sorry Joe, but you are way off on this one. The Bucs know that if they do draft Winston that they will lose a HUGE group of fans and season ticket holders.
Anecdotal. A few people on twitter and FB. Hardly “huge”.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:43 pm
“INDYbucsfan Says:
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:40 pm
What about the fact that SHE belonged to the FSUcleatchasers? But when this Winston crap happened, she all of a sudden dropped out.”
Not only did she drop out, but she deleted all her social media connections to it. Nothing strange about that….
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:46 pm
@ warrick lover
FSU fan? I bet you are – the SAO also was critical of TPD for doing a terrible job on the investigation. Jameis is a POS. Human garbage. I don’t have to like him. He has terrible upbringing and there’s a reason why 70% of America agrees. Dude is a criminal in training.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:48 pm
Indy
NO! He raped her! The rappin rapist did it! I just want to know how you force a chick to sick yo duck? That’s a pretty good trick. You would figure she would have tried to bite it off but nope. Maybe he hypnotized her or she passed out for 3 minutes while she slurped and woke up when casher opened the door just so she could yell “get out” and then she immediately passed out again. It’s very common in these types of cases. It’s called intermittent black outs. Very serious condition that should not be taken lightly.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:50 pm
LOL…don;t worry – Jameis has a new cleat chasing gold digger now. The chick is staying with him after he cheated on her. What does that makes Breion? A gold digging cleat chaser hoping to get PAID!!!!
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:52 pm
Pickgrin…. I am the kind of fan the Bucs need…spent around 9k for season tickets, I have not missed a game on TV in probably 20 years ( I live in charlotte county ) and I have enough merchandise to open a store of my own.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:54 pm
Wow, look at these scumbags wanting more scumbags. Awesome. I didn’t realize the amount of human filth we had here in Tampa.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:55 pm
RJ
I must admit having money does make you a better fan.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:56 pm
“Time Says:
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:46 pm
@ warrick lover
FSU fan? I bet you are – the SAO also was critical of TPD for doing a terrible job on the investigation. Jameis is a POS. Human garbage. I don’t have to like him. He has terrible upbringing and there’s a reason why 70% of America agrees. Dude is a criminal in training.”
LOL. Hyperbole much?
So, what name did you used to post under?
Eh, doesn’t matter. Start searching for your new team!
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:56 pm
Alas, another misguided Winston Worshipper, who happens to have his own web site, and was semi-respected in the community…..
The truth, is that the Bucs should be doing everything in their power to acquire as many draft picks as could possibly be mustered this year and for 2016 in order to re-build. Drafting Winston or Mariota, (who may, or may not be a bust) is such a huge gamble for the Bucs, and we all know how our previous four First Round Picks on quarterbacks have all worked out don’t we? (See Vinnie Testerverde, Trent Dilfer and Josh Freeman)
Why JoeBuc can’t see the forest for the trees is beyond me…..
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:58 pm
as Time said I dont have to like this Cat he is garbage. Way to much baggage, trade down or take Marcus. There are probably 2k kids to choose from.
March 23rd, 2015 at 3:02 pm
Not having money WS99, but spending it on there product. I am not rich but I can decide where to spend my money and I spend a lot of my excess on the Bucs.
March 23rd, 2015 at 3:09 pm
RJ
Respect, no issues.
March 23rd, 2015 at 3:20 pm
I can’t believe the complete ignorance of people like Time. Barry is one thing, because he just says stuff for reaction, but this guy Time actually believes what he is saying, when he has NO IDEA who Jameis is!
Stop acting like you know Jameis and how HIS relationships work. Anyone who actually knows Jameis or has met Jameis says he is a great person, who is nice to everyone around him and always has a smile on his face. From his teammates (football and baseball) to his class mates, to the equipment guy. everyone says he is a wonderful person.
Then idiots like you watch the 10 oclock news, get false information, then spread it around like wildfire, presumably to make your shi**y life feel better. Douche.
March 23rd, 2015 at 3:31 pm
We should start tracking the names of people on here who think Jameis is not the answer so when his glory days are here you can’t jump on his bandwagon. Hopefully you ignorant fans just leave the Bucs for good when we draft him number 1 overall. We don’t need you people to pull this franchise in the wrong direction.
March 23rd, 2015 at 3:33 pm
Told Cha I was Fameis…..lol
We doin’ it big in Tampa. Doin’ big!
March 23rd, 2015 at 3:35 pm
I won’t lie, I’m an unbiased Noles fan…
March 23rd, 2015 at 3:41 pm
I am far from ignorant…lol. Weird. Just so I get this right…Erica is a gold digging cleat chaser but his current GF isn’t. She’s been embarrassed, lied to and cheated on but she’s with Jameis for his? Oh yeah…his brain.
Because REAL RECOGNIZE REAL!!! YO FO SURE MY HOMMIES!!!
LOL!
March 23rd, 2015 at 3:53 pm
@Time
Who do you think you are? For all you know they could have an open relationship. And even if he did cheat on his girlfriend (not even his wife keep in mind) then this means the guy shouldn’t be able to play football anymore?
You’re a freakin wacko.
And apparently a racist.
“REAL RECOGNIZE REAL!!! YO FO SURE MY HOMMIES!!!”
For someone who is apparently a saint, you make fun of people who talk differently than you because they had a different upbringing?
March 23rd, 2015 at 4:03 pm
Just how many athletes, make that, guys cheat on their girlfriends, especially the ones who live in other cities, in college?
It’s not ok, but, it’s also reality. But, let’s just go ahead and string him from a rope…..
March 23rd, 2015 at 4:05 pm
Time sounds like maybe The Patrick, Funkxy Munkey or White Tiger. Definitely a prior poster with a new name.
March 23rd, 2015 at 4:20 pm
Yes sir Father Time that’s so right you sho ain’t no ignant fella youz smart bery smart indeed sir. Eyes like to say thank you to youz sir fo teaching me the truth sir. That no good rapist should be hung from a tree. Yes sir that’s right. Would you like meez to do that fo ya sir? Anything youz order would be my pleasure Mister Father Time master sir.
Weez going huntin tonight boyz, yee-haw!!!
March 23rd, 2015 at 4:30 pm
“See Vinnie Testerverde, Trent Dilfer and Josh Freeman”
Keith
Ironically your post actually give me hope. The law of averages is certainly on our side. Even the blind squirrel finds the occasional acorn.
March 23rd, 2015 at 4:35 pm
It’s like a verbal sword fight in here tonight. This shiz is amazing
March 23rd, 2015 at 4:51 pm
If the Bucs could trade down and still grab Mariota that would be the best move by far. The ceiling and floor on Jameis are both too low for the #1 overall pick.
March 23rd, 2015 at 4:53 pm
@Sim
The ceiling and floor are too low? Says who, besides you?
March 23rd, 2015 at 5:26 pm
Sim Says:
March 23rd, 2015 at 4:51 pm
“The ceiling and floor on Jameis are both too low for the #1 overall pick.”
What a stupid thing to say.
Best QB prospect in the last 3 years. Graded higher by many (including the Bucs according to reports) than Stafford, Bradford and Newton – all #1 overall picks in the last 7 years. Winston is the 2nd best QB prospect behind only Luck in the last 10 years – but he’s not good enough to be picked 1st in this year’s draft? 97% of all draft “experts” are saying Winston will be the #1 pick. But you somehow know more than anyone else?? SMH
March 23rd, 2015 at 5:54 pm
@adown
How many excuses are you going to make for Winston? So, he steals, he lies, he cheats on his future wife, he vandalizes, he is accused of rape…this guys has more red flags than anyone I went to college with.
At what point does he become a bad seed? You have to see it live here in Tampa right before your very eyes?
So, what will it finally take? Murder? Another girl?
March 23rd, 2015 at 6:07 pm
“Time” – How awesome that you are so without error that you can cast stones at a young man you have never met.
Or should I be addressing you as Mr. Patrick? Sounds about right.
March 23rd, 2015 at 6:22 pm
Time…yep murder….
March 23rd, 2015 at 6:38 pm
Sir master time sir should I hunt down pickgrin n 87 two sir. Eyes happy youz my master sir. Eyes do anytime for master time.
March 23rd, 2015 at 7:13 pm
@WS99
That’s pretty funny. Not sure where you get this race thing. Why is it usually the racists that play that card?
March 23rd, 2015 at 7:53 pm
Eyez sorry master time please don’t whoop me sir please no. Eyez do better eyez promis. Eyez just an ignant ol fool please sir eyez don’t no no better.
March 23rd, 2015 at 7:56 pm
Soooo if we do pass on Winston and Mariota and do something else can I get a refund on my season ticket ?
March 23rd, 2015 at 8:11 pm
@WS99
I bet you’ll just keep going and going until I take the hook out of your mouth. You’re too stupid to realize what you are doing.
March 23rd, 2015 at 8:59 pm
@Time,
I think it’s TIME for your racist A$$ to take a giant sip of STFU!
March 23rd, 2015 at 9:03 pm
Winston is the number 1 pick. I think it is all smoke to get other teams to reveal their strategies.
March 23rd, 2015 at 9:50 pm
Come on time you know that’s really what you want. Put the rapist in his place along with all his “ignorant” supporters.
March 23rd, 2015 at 10:38 pm
They have the first overall pick go fishing with it see what you can get for it you never know it won’t hurt you
March 24th, 2015 at 3:52 am
So Joe, how exactly are 3 blatant lies half-truths?
March 24th, 2015 at 12:03 pm
Draft Jameis and sign Tebow, put them both in the backfield a the same time and then play who’s got the pill? A FSU an UF QB plying at te same time. I think that would be hilarious!