Drafting Jameis Is “The American Way”
March 25th, 2015
There are a lot of angry Bucs fans who believe their players should be altar boys, helping old ladies cross the street, selling lemonade and cookies on street corners and raking leaves of neighbors’ lawns.
If these same players can play football, OK.
But perhaps, this mentality is what doomed the Bucs in recent years because the organization seemed equally if not more focused on how the players were away from One Buc Palace than what they did on the field at the Den of Depression.
And woe to the young player who does dumb kid things when they were kids — or worse! — is falsely accused of a despicable act.
In his own Q&A with Bucs co-chairman Joel Glazer from the NFL Owners Meetings in Phoenix, the “Custodian of Canton,” eye-RAH! Kaufman of the Tampa Tribune, in a veiled question about prospective future Bucs quarterback Jameis Winston, asked Glazer about acquiring players whose reputations — fairly or unfairly — have been soiled.
Q: You have consistently said character is important to the organization. Is it even more important in light of the NFL’s emphasis on personal conduct?
A: Character has always been important for us, and last year character became a very big discussion point in the NFL. But each case and each situation is different. It’s not easy to paint it with one brush. You have to understand the circumstances for each person. We do believe in second chances. That is the American Way, but every situation is different.
This is why the preachers in the audience better get used to Winston. The young man made a few dumb choices hanging out with less desirables. This shouldn’t mean the young man has to become a street person.
We live in a land of opportunity. America loves second chances. We love reclamation projects. More than anything else, real Americans admire good football, winning football, something that hasn’t been on display locally for far too long.
With all due apologies to David Garrard, Jameis Winston is America’s Quarterback. A new leader of the land of the free and home of liberty. Jameis Winston is America.
God bless America!
March 25th, 2015 at 10:06 am
This is the first time I haven’t been annoyed after clicking “read more.”
March 25th, 2015 at 10:07 am
Yes… God bless america and joe for that picture
March 25th, 2015 at 10:09 am
LOL Joe…you’re out of control now. You want this thread and it’s posters to blow up at you….like poking a stick at a Pit Bull. Too funny!
March 25th, 2015 at 10:09 am
That was beautiful. I stood up, took off my hat, and put my hand on my heart reading this article.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:10 am
When a product can’t sell on merit just advertise some T&A
March 25th, 2015 at 10:11 am
WOW – I stood up and said the pledge of allegiance to the rack. Nice Pic Joe! Lolipop ummmm good!
March 25th, 2015 at 10:12 am
Jesus… Kate Upton is ridiculous. I think we can all agree on that, at least.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:13 am
“The young man made a few dumb choices hanging out with less desirables. This shouldn’t mean the young man has to become a street person.” I can’t imagine a more disgusting and at the same time false statement. His actions were a result of choices he made, that were more than dumb, but had a significantly deviant criminal element involved. None of which was attributable to him hanging out with less desirables. Gross.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:14 am
Saving this Post for when the BUCS Draft Mariota…
Who am I Kidding?
I am saving it for the Rocket Pop Picture
March 25th, 2015 at 10:16 am
🙂
March 25th, 2015 at 10:16 am
From Kent Somers:
While waiting for my flight home from Indianapolis I saw Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston walk by.
I wanted to ask him a question, but before I started, Winston noticed an elderly man pushing his own wheelchair.
“Where do you need to go?” Winston asked.
“Baggage,” the man said.
“We’ll get you there,” Winston said.
So Winston pushed the wheelchair until an airport worker took over.
Winston looked sharp in drills on the combine on Saturday. What he did at the airport later was more impressive.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:18 am
Sha-wing! I wish i were that Popsicle. I remember watching Jameis Winston as a freshman with FSU and thinking to myself, what a miracle it would be if he ended up a Buc. I had no idea year one under Lovie would make that fantasy a possibility. Winston is what the Buccaneers need. The Messiah.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:18 am
..so he almost literally helps old people cross the street.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:18 am
[No, you are not going to accuse someone of breaking the law for something not only was he not charged of, but never accused of. At the end of the day, Joe is responsible for what is on this site. You can rip a player all you want. This is crossing the line. That’s twice in two days Joe has had to edit one of your comments. Might want to start behaving. Joe has better things to do than babysit your comments. — Joe]
March 25th, 2015 at 10:19 am
Nick:
Thank you for posting that. Joe read that on Twitter when Jameis was leaving the combine. Forgot to save it and never went back to find it.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:19 am
While I appreciate the Kate Upton photo, I think Joe has jumped the shark here! Last year at this time Johhny Football “was America”….If that was true, then I guess America, like Johnny, is now in rehab.
Joe, if you want to help young Mr.Winston, tone it down a bit. The expectations for him are already incredibly high…and not to put too fine a point on it… but your recent QBFF’s haven’t exactly lit the league on fire lately! I think everyone in the northern hemisphere (at least those who visit this site) know that you want Jameis to be the Bucs new QB! We get it! But IF he is the choice (still not a given as far as I’m concerned) let the kid learn and grow without being cast as the “messiah”of Tampa Bay. Most BUCS fans will support him if he’s the guy…as long as he keeps his nose clean off the field….but HE WILL STRUGGLE early in his career…EVERY young QB does! Let him ( or Mariota ) do it without feeling they have the weight of the world on their shoulders! Unless you think Winston is enough to make this team an instant playoff contender? I sure don’t!
March 25th, 2015 at 10:20 am
Wow!!! Joe pulling out all the ammo…..America!!!
I’m sold…..
If Winston is the choice, I will hitch my wagon to all the others that have been already circled in his defense.
I hope you are prepared for the unmerciful pounding he will take from our competitors…..it won’t be pretty.
I can only hope it will serve as extra motivation for Winston and the Bucs to win and win convincingly….often.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:21 am
I like Winston, and sure America loves second chances and a comeback story, but in the old Bible Belt, classic American dream mentality Mariota is the poster child. The kind of kid that you want your daughter to date, a guy that will get stuff done, walk the dog, mow the lawn and take out the trash (aka Saints, Falcons, and Panthers). Of course this has little to do with football. 🙂
I’m fine with giving Jameis a chance, kinda have to if you’re a Bucs fan, and kids do stupid things. But Joe, you and countless others made the same old excuse for Johnny, and he ended up in rehab. I don’t think the same will happen to Jameis. He doesn’t overparty, he just gets in trouble with the law. So instead of rehab, it will be the state penetentiary if he screws up. 😉
March 25th, 2015 at 10:22 am
Joe- don’t expect us to read your articles for content when you gratuitously splash Kate and her gorgeous fun bags on the page!
March 25th, 2015 at 10:22 am
Disgusting.
That you would stoop so low…I just shake my head at it. It would be hilarious if Mariota is the #1 pick. Oh, the joy some of us would have immediately after and throughout the coming year.
I can hear it now though…”Joe repeatedly said he would welcome either quarterback…”.
Anything to avoid admitting one is wrong.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:22 am
This website is starting to look like a MySpace page circa 2003.
The only thing missing some 50 Cent automatically playing when I open the page
March 25th, 2015 at 10:23 am
Sim says, “significantly deviant criminal element.” Winston made some mistakes but you sound like you’re talking about Ted Bundy not a kid who got some free food and said a potty word at college. Pump the breaks buddy, this isn’t Law and Order
March 25th, 2015 at 10:23 am
P.S Justin Verlander is one of the luckiest guys on the freakin’ planet!
March 25th, 2015 at 10:23 am
The ignorant fan is only going to focus on what was written in bold, ignore the rest of the statement and then claim that its obvious support for Mariota.
Raymond Jameis Stadium
March 25th, 2015 at 10:25 am
God Bless America indeed and the due process afforded by the Constitution.
Perhaps the greatest document produced by human civilization.
Where a man can shoot a bb gun and repeat a profane YouTube video and still become rich and fameis.
Fameis Jameis that is.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:26 am
JoeTrollFan.com
March 25th, 2015 at 10:28 am
@Eric
Yup, that same America where a girl can accuse a man of rape and then that man spend 5 years in jail, 5 years probation and a spot on the registered sex offenders list just so the woman can then say that she made it up.
You know, years that said man will never get back…No amount of money can bring that back.
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God Bless America indeed
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March 25th, 2015 at 10:29 am
alter boys, helping old ladies cross the street, sell lemonade and cookies on street corners and rake the leaves <<<< I am not looking for that in our next QB but who really wants a QB with bad decision making abilities that throws lots of INTs….only you Joe…. not America.
If the Bucs do draft a QB, you will find him on the bench with clip board. NEITHER of these guys are NFL ready….to say that one is just makes you the fool. Go talk to the players if they think either of these guys are "ready"…they will laugh you out of the room. Get ready for MG#8 2015 Baby!!! He will be your opening day starter…..
~~~~Its time to make the joeNUTS~~~~
March 25th, 2015 at 10:30 am
I disagree slightly. He’s not america’s QB. He’s the Bucs future QB!
Welcome to Tampa, Jameis.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:31 am
some things don’t deserve second chances………
murder
rape
cheating
child predators etc…..
March 25th, 2015 at 10:31 am
Anytime, Joe. Even if he was just doing it for the optics, which i don’t believe, he’s still aware of the optics which means he is image conscious. Or, even better, he likes helping those less fortunate.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:32 am
@ Celly
It’s not just ignorant fans who ignore half of the quotes…..
Can you guess who else does that?
March 25th, 2015 at 10:32 am
Stupid comments dont disserve second chances either…
March 25th, 2015 at 10:33 am
I’ll take her with the first pick overall and in the second round I’ll take Charlotte Mckinney
March 25th, 2015 at 10:35 am
@robert
And which of those things is Winston guilty of?
March 25th, 2015 at 10:36 am
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo appreciates the “American Way”….Pablo also appreciates beautiful women…but Pablo would have appreciated a Jennifer Lopez picure instead….and Pablo would have appreciated the “North American Way” more…..Pablo has done his best to support his Bucs even though the Bucs don’t have any of Pablo’s hombres.
Pablo want’s Joe to show some sensitivity and some PC.”
March 25th, 2015 at 10:37 am
Couch Fan Says:
March 25th, 2015 at 10:32 am
Stupid comments dont DISSERVE second chances either…
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Lol irony.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:37 am
Celly Says:
March 25th, 2015 at 10:35 am
“@robert
And which of those things is Winston guilty of?”
None of them…but that doesn’t matter.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:38 am
Quote from Bo Jackson
“Jameis Winston needs to make some changes in his life,” Jackson said on the show Tuesday. “Because it’s affecting him now, and it’s definitely going to affect him down the road.”
I know people like Winston. He is one of those tricky people. You know, the type to push an old mans wheelchair when he knows everyone is watching.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:39 am
@TBBF
I’m not sure if that was rhetorical or not, lol….
The truth is, every group always spins what they see into their own agenda, when the truth of the matter is that the only people that have any clue as to what is going to happen on draft day are the Glazers, Lovie, Licht and maybe Koetter.
On another note, i would love to know what Barry did (this time) that warranted such a long response from Joe.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:40 am
@robert9 and @barry
seriously, guys.. I just got this new Hyundai Sonata last month and already y’all are casing it. STOP STEALING CARS!!!!
March 25th, 2015 at 10:41 am
@Buc1987
What are you talking about? Winston assassinated Kennedy, Lincoln, and Archduke Ferdinand. Didn’t you hear?
March 25th, 2015 at 10:42 am
Oh We got the grammar nazi’s now…
By the way, a misspelled word doesn’t make a stupid comment. An actual stupid comment does. Oh the irony!
March 25th, 2015 at 10:46 am
@Couch
Welcome to English class, you fail! 🙂
March 25th, 2015 at 10:47 am
The best part of JBF, if you agree with him, there’s not a better wrighter in the USA. But if you disagree with him, he’ll make you pull your hair out while cursing his existance!!
Thankfully, lately I’ve been in agreement.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:48 am
I never was good at ingles. It’s pablos fault.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:51 am
Couch Fan Says:
March 25th, 2015 at 10:42 am
Oh We got the grammar nazi’s now…
By the way, a misspelled word doesn’t make a stupid comment. An actual stupid comment does. Oh the irony!
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Nazi is supposed to be capitalized. Come on now…
March 25th, 2015 at 10:56 am
Oh, the irony!
No, Jameis has not been found ‘guilty’ of any crime and for the sake of status quo, perhaps he deserves a little leeway.
What’s interesting is the fervor with which fans wanted Greg Hardy, the convicted assaultist.
No we don’t want choir boys for players! But how about the other 98% of players already in the NFL that aren’t criminals?! There’s a difference between a player with ‘dawg’ and a criminal. That excuse is getting overused here of late.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:57 am
Oh Kate!!! That just made my day!
March 25th, 2015 at 10:58 am
When you have nothing entellignt or kunstructive to say you can always sit back and try to make your self look more entellignt by fixing other peoples grommor. To cute.. Go head and fix moore of my grommr. Lol, never thought rightoff was a troll, but apparently his hatred for Winston has driven him over the edge.
there i made lots of grammar mistakes for you to correct. That’ll keep you busy, you grommor nazeee
March 25th, 2015 at 11:02 am
Hey at last we’ve finally reached consensus!
That was one HOT pick at the start of this thread. Or as Pablo might say…”Muy Caliente”.
And so I say let’s select Kate Upton with that #1 draft pick and put her out in front of the Buc’s cheerleaders. We may still suck as a team but if we get to watch her suck on that popsickle all day do we really care?
March 25th, 2015 at 11:04 am
@CouchFan
You are correct. Pointing out grammatical mistakes and spelling errors is considered the lowest form of trolling.
Most people are typing these things on the fly. There is no review or edit window and some are doing it on handheld devices. Spelling and grammar are irrelevant if somebody makes a good point.
March 25th, 2015 at 11:04 am
The only thing better than Kate’s bobbies is Winston highlight reel.
March 25th, 2015 at 11:06 am
Hatred for Winston? I have no such thing. I really don’t care who they pick, unlike Winston fans I’m not throwing a fit and quitting support of the Bucs if they draft someone else. The only thing I want, and I suspect everyone here knows it by now, is Lovie gone. Beyond that, don’t really care.
But it’s the internet, when you call people dumb and have grammar errors while doing so, expect it to come back on you. That doesn’t make you dumb, it just makes for fun troll fodder. But this is JoeTrollFan, so what do you expect? Serious analysis died from this site a while ago.
March 25th, 2015 at 11:10 am
WS99
I thought 87 had Winstonitis butThe only thing better than Kate’s bobbies is Winston highlight reel.
Sorry we gotta split there. 😉
March 25th, 2015 at 11:10 am
Chef Paul … well said and so true.
Plus JBF is where all the cool kids hang out. Have you ever been to other Buc comment threads on different sites?…ZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZ. It’s a sleeper.
Joe created this site and the animals filled it up. Joe is like our Noah.
March 25th, 2015 at 11:11 am
Actually I never called anyone dumb. Slow down and read. I said stupid comments. But if you got offended, you must of felt some guilt.
And btw, dont deny your hatred. We all know it. Your constant trolling is proof of that. Now im done with your stupidity.
@St. Pete
I agree. I have that same issue. I post to quickly before thinking about proof reading myself. I guess expecting people to act mature is to much.
March 25th, 2015 at 11:13 am
Me too. I’m a damn fast typist. I see people that get annoyed with my constant posting so many things. Then I think to myself, I just need to type it and sit there for a few minutes to let the board catch up.
March 25th, 2015 at 11:15 am
WS99
I disagree with that last statement whole-heartedly, no disrespect to Jameis. Lol
March 25th, 2015 at 11:27 am
Couch Fan Says:
March 25th, 2015 at 11:11 am
Actually I never called anyone dumb. Slow down and read. I said stupid comments. But if you got offended, you must of felt some guilt.
And btw, dont deny your hatred. We all know it. Your constant trolling is proof of that. Now im done with your stupidity.
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By the way, find proof. I betcha you cannot find a single time I go after Jameis. Saying he’s immature? Not going after him, that’s pretty much agreed upon. Saying he’s a flawed prospect? Not going after him, he is flawed. Saying Lovie’s gonna take Mariota or Williams? Not going after him, I’m actually going after Lovie there. Otherwise? I bet you can’t find one single instance. Thanks for playing though.
March 25th, 2015 at 11:28 am
Winston fans?
You can’t be serious with that statement, right? You don’t really even believe that yourself…
March 25th, 2015 at 11:39 am
“The young man made a few dumb choices hanging out with less desirables.”
Sounds like a leader to me!!!
March 25th, 2015 at 11:47 am
bucrightoff Says:
March 25th, 2015 at 11:06 am
“I really don’t care who they pick, unlike Winston fans I’m not throwing a fit and quitting support of the Bucs if they draft someone else.”
Preposterous!
Is this your first time on JBF?
Have you not seen how many people that come on here daily and say if Winston IS the pick they won’t be Buc fans anymore?
March 25th, 2015 at 11:50 am
@ Celly
I was speking of JBF……
And…I have absolutely no idea of what is going on with Barry & Joe….obviously Barry pushes things to the limit and needs constant supervision/moderation….
March 25th, 2015 at 11:51 am
I agree it goes both ways 87. Regardless, all these fans saying they’ll quit if they don’t draft a QB or a certain QB, it’s an empty threat that is just laughable. If they draft a QB and go 3-13, 5-11, they’ll still be fans just cause they drafted a QB at #1? But they’ll be gone if they pass on a QB and go 10-6 11-5?
No, they’ll quit if this team keeps sucking. I said it before, I’ll say it again: Fans packed the stadium for Shaun King, Brad Johnson, Jeff Garcia, and Chris Simms. They were barren for Josh Freeman. Drafting a QB is temporary excitement to a fanbase, but no one is quitting the fanbase over a pick. It’s just histrionics.
March 25th, 2015 at 11:54 am
By the way, find proof. I betcha you cannot find a single time I go after Jameis. Saying he’s immature? Not going after him, that’s pretty much agreed upon. Saying he’s a flawed prospect? Not going after him, he is flawed. Saying Lovie’s gonna take Mariota or Williams? Not going after him, I’m actually going after Lovie there. Otherwise? I bet you can’t find one single instance. Thanks for playing though.
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Allow me to help you out here… I said :
“And btw, dont deny your hatred. We all know it. Your constant trolling is proof of that.”
Would you like me to find posts of you trolling? I wont have to look any further than this post, or any Winston post yesterday, or the day before… or the day before, etc.. etc…
I’m not sure if you said anything negative about Winston on these threads but you’ve made it CRYSTAL clear you do not like him and you jump on anyone that does by trolling… You can try to squirm your way out of the hatred to make yourself look better, but as you can see its not working and apparently I’m not the only one who can see it.
To bad though, We usually agree on mostly everything. Lovie, Freeman. But never seen you stoop to trolling before. Bonzai is one of the biggest Winston haters there are and he doesn’t even stoop to trolling.
March 25th, 2015 at 11:55 am
Character has always been important for us, and last year character became a very big discussion point in the NFL. But each case and each situation is different. It’s not easy to paint it with one brush. You have to understand the circumstances for each person. We do believe in second chances. That is the American Way, but every situation is different.
The ignorant fan is only going to focus on what was written in bold, ignore the rest of the statement…ignore the victims…and focus on their own selfish desires.
March 25th, 2015 at 11:58 am
Yes it is the American way and most of us have signed off on the Fameis selection.
For future reference. It would be constructive if we simply dropped all the lunacy like “thug” “criminal” etc.
It would be just as constructive if supporters stuck to facts as well.
Here are the facts that concerned many of us.
Fameis has been suspended from two different athletic teams in two years. The second time he seriously jeopardized his team’s Conference title hopes.
That’s the simple reality. The rest is all he said she said and you did stuff just as bad when you were in college. Just a load of crap really from both sides.
Reality check: Fameis has two suspensions from two different teams. That prompts justifiable concern. The suspensions did not come over NOTHING.
Most here including me are willing to give him that third chance. We can all move on now.
March 25th, 2015 at 12:03 pm
Joe, Dude you might as well just start making things up. You hear what you want. You are going way overboard.
March 25th, 2015 at 12:09 pm
Couch Fan Says:
March 25th, 2015 at 11:54 am
By the way, find proof. I betcha you cannot find a single time I go after Jameis. Saying he’s immature? Not going after him, that’s pretty much agreed upon. Saying he’s a flawed prospect? Not going after him, he is flawed. Saying Lovie’s gonna take Mariota or Williams? Not going after him, I’m actually going after Lovie there. Otherwise? I bet you can’t find one single instance. Thanks for playing though.
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Allow me to help you out here… I said :
“And btw, dont deny your hatred. We all know it. Your constant trolling is proof of that.”
Would you like me to find posts of you trolling? I wont have to look any further than this post, or any Winston post yesterday, or the day before… or the day before, etc.. etc…
I’m not sure if you said anything negative about Winston on these threads but you’ve made it CRYSTAL clear you do not like him and you jump on anyone that does by trolling… You can try to squirm your way out of the hatred to make yourself look better, but as you can see its not working and apparently I’m not the only one who can see it.
To bad though, We usually agree on mostly everything. Lovie, Freeman. But never seen you stoop to trolling before. Bonzai is one of the biggest Winston haters there are and he doesn’t even stoop to trolling.
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For real? Jameis means nothing to me. I don’t hate him, I’m just not enamoured with him like he’s going to be a superstar. Same with Mariota.
What’s more bizarre? Me not having any strong feeling towards him, or you and others acting like drafting him means the Bucs dynasty is born? Sorry, but I’m sick of winning the offseason. Until these guys prove it on the field, my feeling on them is nothing.
As to trolling, I’m sorry but that’s this site now. It was once a good place for Bucs discussion and debate, but the Manziel/Winston stuff has just changed it into bait posts designed to push total comments and not quality comments. I troll because it’s all this site is anymore. Probably why I visit a lot less than I used to.
March 25th, 2015 at 12:12 pm
It is a sad thing when people of moral value are attacked for those morals.
The morally unfit often hide behind accusations of personal attacks, trying to direct their guilt back upon their accuser. This has often shown itself in the form of blaming the victims of crimes, but of late it has become the popular thing to personally attack the moral values of others with accusations of judgement and such.
The simple truth is this…no one but Winston and the victim know if there was a rape. And because that is the case, there will always be the suspicion. There is no way to avoid that.
Perhaps if the investigation had led to an immediate dismissal of charges, people would be more inclined to give Winston the benefit of the doubt. However, the subject of his guilt has been reviewed 4 or more times by various authorities. One could argue that if he were truly innocent, there would be no need to review such accusations so many times.
And because of that, there is reasonable doubt, both to his guilt…and to his innocence.
It is something that will hang over him for the rest of his life.
I’ve heard it said that the money of being the first pick would not corrupt him, because his family has money. Well, if that is the case, could not his family use that money to influence the investigations in some way? Perhaps by paying off key witnesses or such? That sort of thing does happen. Often.
But, of course, while the immoral lay a powerful claim to the rights of their beliefs, they wish to take away those of others who do not agree.
March 25th, 2015 at 12:34 pm
@StPeteBucsFan
Well, that’s not the only things. Even if we set aside the rape accusations, there is the shoplifting charge. Of course, Winstonites try to justify it.
And then there is the whole standing on a table yelling obscenities at women thing. Again…ignored by Winstonites.
But let’s look at the other things that are often ignored as well.
Release Time. Watch any three NFL games, and count the seconds a quarterback has to throw the ball. Then watch any three Winston games and count the seconds he takes to throw the ball. The NFL defenses are going to have a field day with him, because he already took risks in college when he got rattled. He’ll be more rattled in the NFL. My prediction is that he will throw close to double in picks what he throws in touchdowns…and he will be sacked a lot, leading to multiple fumbles.
In fact, I may post an over under on certain stats come the start of the season if we draft him.
Immobility. Now we hear certain individuals talk around here, and claim he has command of the pocket…that he can be mobile. It’s total bull. Byron Leftwich, at his heaviest, was more mobile than Winston.
Ball Placement. I’ve watched 18 of his games with this as one of the things I focused on. I have rewound plays and watched over and over. I have looked at the reasons for throws, the pass rush involved, the coverages on other areas of the field, and where he throws the ball to. What is the cardinal sin when passing the ball? NEVER throw it behind and to the inside. And yet…this is where nearly all of his passes go. NFL secondaries will have a field day with that. You can bet our division rivals want us to take him because of it.
Leadership. It is claimed that because he gets excited, because he is “fired up”, he is a good leader. It is said that he has led his FSU teams back from behind, which has indeed happened. However, no one asks why they were behind, and investigates the reasons with tape review. I did. I also refuse to ignore his “leadership” example at the Rose Bowl, something that certain youtube play reviewers choose to ignore…along with most of the people here. Combined, these things raise a red flag.
His weight. Trimming up for the draft is a smart thing, but upon review of 18 games, I have seen it is something that he has indeed struggled with…like Byron Leftwich or Shawn King, for example.
WHAT CAN WINSTON DO TO CONVINCE ME?
Stay clean. I’m not talking about before the draft…that’s obvious. I’m talking about IF the Bucs draft him, can he stay out of trouble?
Don’t lose it under pressure. Whether the pass rush, picks or the pressure of losing, I want to see true leadership skills, not yelling at players like they are children and pointing fingers like you are. That doesn’t mean he cannot hold them accountable. It means handle it as a mature adult, like a Brady or Manning would.
Improve Ball Release Time. Speed it up, because that’s the future of the NFL.
Improve Ball Placement. Fix the issues I mentioned above.
Improve Pocket Mobility and speed.
March 25th, 2015 at 12:53 pm
OJ was not guilty of murder either…and Casey Anthony didn’t kill her baby…
March 25th, 2015 at 1:00 pm
@BucBonazai
I agree with the on field questions you raise. Time will tell.
Same for the off field stuff. Two suspensions in two years IS a red flag.
If he gets suspended in the NFL…then we’ll all have egg on our face and poor ’87 Eric and Tmax will need a long time to get the dooty off their shoes from stepping in it.
I’m hoping there is no strike three.
March 25th, 2015 at 1:02 pm
🙂
March 25th, 2015 at 1:11 pm
@ bo
Thought there was evidence to indict and charge OJ and Casey Anthony.
Didn’t think that was the case with Winston, but maybe I missed something.
March 25th, 2015 at 1:22 pm
For his 21st Birthday Jameis was at home with family. On my 21st b-day, I was serving my country and playing with bookers in the Philippines. He’s a good kid.
March 25th, 2015 at 1:27 pm
America the Beautiful should be our national anthem. It is just a better song than The Star-Spangled Banner. Just one Americans opinion.
March 25th, 2015 at 1:42 pm
Jamies is a liar, a cheat, a thief, a vandal and an alleged rapist.
Sign me up!
March 25th, 2015 at 2:27 pm
Best thread ever on JBF.
You can’t excuse the shoplifting, but he did pay his debt to society as required by the legal system. What more do you want?
ALLEDGED rape accusations….. I’d argue Hunting Ground hurt Kinsman more. Yet another version never heard before. She’d be more credible if she were consistent in her recollection. And the fact is she tested negative for drugs in her system.
Nothing wrong with being moralistic. It’s when you want to use them as a sword and shield you show how much of a hypocrite you are.
#barryisabraindeadcarthief
March 25th, 2015 at 2:54 pm
“However, no one asks why they were behind, and investigates the reasons with tape review.”
I take it that you missed the 2014 National Championship game against the SEC Champion Auburn Tigers?
Down bigtime against the SEC Champ, on the biggest stage there is.
March 25th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
Over hype and over pay….. that’s The American Way!
March 25th, 2015 at 3:05 pm
Whoever said that Brady doesn’t yell at his teammates please please please google “Brady yelling” and watch the videos of him cussing out his OC, Oline, receivers, refs, Gisselle. Ok maybe not gisselle.
Here’s the thing if you not yelling you don’t have the passion needed to win. Passion=purpose.
March 25th, 2015 at 3:40 pm
Can we get a new photo of Kate on every new post???
She never gets old. 🙂
Lick Lick…
March 25th, 2015 at 4:33 pm
I’d have a grand idea…Number the Offense 1-11 with the QB being 1. And, I’d believe the Bucs Offense Coordinator will view every play as a Hail Mary and Wide Receivers and Running Backs will trapeze the defense and its Touchdown, Anybody. And, if the Bucs do Monday Night Football this year, bring Kate Upton to the booth.
March 25th, 2015 at 4:39 pm
If you fly in from Birmingham you’ll get the last
If you blew in from Boston no you sure won’t have to wait
And I’m learning, a little more every day
About the power of the dollar,
And the people with white collars
And the good old American way – Hank Williams Jr.
March 25th, 2015 at 4:42 pm
Analyst have already broke down Winston’s long wind up. Some have even said he’s corrected it and it showed at the combine. Some have also said it really doesn’t matter because he compensates for it with the rifle release, and puts the ball where it’s supposed to be.
I believe them.
March 25th, 2015 at 6:51 pm
First, either of these QBs will help our team. Second, yes, Coach Smith believes in second chances. Third, Coach Smith will surround whomever they choose with mature players and coaches.
March 25th, 2015 at 10:30 pm
Wow, didn’t know Don King was writing for JoeBucs! “Only in America” Agree kids are going to do stupid kid things and I’m ok with that. Problem I have is the hanging with the “less desirables.” Usually people, especially athletes, don’t tend to change their posse when they strike it rich. Hope he does and gets his act together or this franchise will continue to be….well….this franchise!
March 26th, 2015 at 6:23 am
Joe, so now it’s un-American to have a negative opinion of a person that has an undoubtedly poor off-the-field track record, and by all accounts, needs to have a babysitter to monitor his behavior? Seriously??? And I think we all agree, the Bucs’ fan base is clearly SPLIT on Winston, and this attempt to guilt “the haters” (I prefer “the news readers”) into accepting this jerk is lame.
March 26th, 2015 at 8:39 am
sickening