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March 9th, 2015
Scrub Rams QB Shaun Hill is being courted by the Bucs.
What little hopes Bucs fans had for the 2014 season seemed to be washed away in the gutter during Week 2, when the Rams came into the Den of Depression (soon to be re-named Raymond Jameis Stadium?) and punked the Bucs.
Yes, like any loss it was depressing. But what made the loss almost unbearable was watching professional neverbeen quarterback Austin Davis of the Rams come in and totally outplay Bucs journeyman starter, turnover-prone Josh McCown.
Apparently, Shaun Hill, the guy who lost a starting job to Davis for half of last year, is on the Bucs’ radar. Per Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Bucs are one of five teams wooing Hill to jump ship from the Rams.
Joe has no idea what this means. Does it mean once the Bucs sign Hill, that Mike Glennon is automatically on the market? Or does this mean Hill will backup Glennon and the Bucs — for the second straight year — will again pass on drafting a quarterback?
Lovie Smith’s history suggests he does not keep three quarterbacks.
Hill, 35, is a career backup entering his 14th season. He made eight starts last year, going 3-5, with eight touchdowns and seven interceptions, and completing 63.3 percent of his passes.
If the Bucs, UH-gen, pass on a quarterback, especially owning the first pick in the draft, the team will have effectively chased off an entire generation of fans. Such a move would simply be irresponsible and unconscionable.
March 9th, 2015 at 5:41 am
L.williams or trade down in play….best options 🙂
March 9th, 2015 at 5:55 am
I don’t know if jason and lovie are qualified to make personnel decisions. They are more important then coaching decisions
March 9th, 2015 at 6:07 am
Joe, please stop with the silly renaming of the stadium.
March 9th, 2015 at 6:09 am
The Minnesota Vikings showed this weekend much interest in acquiring Shaun King as a veteran sounding board for Teddy Bridgewater. Seems like this may be a hint that Glennon will soon be moved so that the Bucs will have a 35 year old journeyman as a mentor for Winston/Mariota. I can’t imagine the Bucs passing on either of the above mentioned draftees. However this is the Bucs we are talking about so…you never know.
March 9th, 2015 at 6:09 am
Freudian slip….I meant Shaun Hill…..lol
March 9th, 2015 at 6:11 am
you got shaun king on your mind?
March 9th, 2015 at 6:18 am
No problem, sir. Joe always appreciates.–Joe
March 9th, 2015 at 6:25 am
@Lurker
No that’s what I get for watching that TV program “King of the Hill” too much…lol!
March 9th, 2015 at 6:29 am
Nothing against Hill, but not the type of mentor I would keep for a young QB. He might be competing for starting gig with Winston or transition starter until Mariota is ready to go. But I love what he (HILL) has that Glennon doesn’t and is a gunslinger mindset. He is not afraid of throwing the ball downfield. Glennon is gone. Should be traded right before draft night.
March 9th, 2015 at 6:40 am
Hill will come cheaper than McCown and has a higher CMP%. Of course Glennon comes the cheapest but is not a veteran mentor.
March 9th, 2015 at 6:50 am
Hill must have played that game in a parallel universe because Austin Davis beat us in that game in this one. A big deal was being made about him the whole game about breaking Favre’s records at So.Miss.
March 9th, 2015 at 6:51 am
Yeah says a lot about Joe that he can’t even get right that Austin Davis carved the Bucs up last year. I mean it was 4 months ago, I know it’s asking a lot to remember that but…In fact Shaun Hill hasn’t played against the Bucs since 2007….
March 9th, 2015 at 7:03 am
Gotta love people that don’t actually read the article but comment anyways.
March 9th, 2015 at 7:10 am
@hotrod, I was thinking the same thing.
March 9th, 2015 at 7:18 am
Isn’t the biggest leap for a QB year 2 to 3? As P’cola stated Hill wouldn’t come any cheaper than $700,000 that Glennon’s contract will pay him.
March 9th, 2015 at 7:33 am
funny! has anybody even heard of the bucs shopping glennon? other teams are already making deals with other QBs. jets are looking at hoyer! sanchez signed to stay a eagle. there is not a lot of teams looking for QBs. like last couple years. and im sorry but I would rather have glennon as a back up than hill. that’s if glennon is not the starter? maybe he is the future ha ha ha . and I think he would be better under our new OC. LETS SEE WHAT ELSE THESE TWO L&L DO! BUCKLE UP AND HANG ON! HAHAHAHAHA.
March 9th, 2015 at 7:43 am
I believe we’ve had potential trading partners for Glennon for some time now…..this isn’t a surprise to me…..as a matter of fact…..St. Louis may be one of them.
March 9th, 2015 at 7:44 am
yes joe a rookie beat the bucs. not over the hill!
March 9th, 2015 at 8:00 am
anybody that would take hill and then trade glennon back to to that team is a moron. but it is L&L so who knows. the rams didn’t want hill and did not hear of any other teams wanting him. but the bucs do that’s a surprise! NOT.
March 9th, 2015 at 8:00 am
If we pass on a QB at #1, I’m done as a Bucs fan.
Can’t watch garbage football anymore.
March 9th, 2015 at 8:12 am
glennon needs a backup ya know…
March 9th, 2015 at 8:16 am
snook….I’m very close to that myself…if they pass on one of these guys. I’ll let it play out for a few years. If either QB goes onto shine and we still suck, then I am done.
March 9th, 2015 at 8:29 am
@ Robert 9 – I agree but if they take hill and trade glennon that makes no sense. hill is very average career stats 14 seasons. 49 td 30 ints. glennon is better imo.
March 9th, 2015 at 8:29 am
Forgive P’cola for his slip, he had probably just seen King at a Golden Corral buffet bar.
This sounds like another one of those “kick the hornets nest” stories Joe likes to post to stir up reader response and diatribes.
Glennon’s salary is so comfortable for the Bucs it’s like your favorite lounge chair in the den. Not only that, he has spent quality time on the field so he is battle tested.
Don’t expect the Bucs to do anything with Glennon for another year since he has two more years on his contract.
Of course that’s to boring and doesn’t create any hysteria on the boards.
March 9th, 2015 at 8:37 am
To acquire Hill and trade Glennon would be a complete Debacle.
March 9th, 2015 at 8:47 am
@hotrod & @mcbuc
At the time of my post Austin Davis’ name was NOWHERE in that blog, which is why 3 people, including myself, prior to your comments noted that. It seems as though an amendment was made to the article without acknowledging the mistake. It’s cool, you didn’t know. I will screenshot all future mistakes.
March 9th, 2015 at 8:57 am
@ddneast- I for one want glennon to stay and maybe get a real shot!
March 9th, 2015 at 9:01 am
but pinhead lovie wants to bring in old backups. with very average stats.
March 9th, 2015 at 9:02 am
and very average skills!
March 9th, 2015 at 9:09 am
I’m starting to have very little faith in the orginization, Licht especially. I think he’s in over his head. He has not made one solid decision since his arrival
March 9th, 2015 at 9:12 am
Good backup QB/insurance in case the Cannon misses any game time. Welcome to Tampa Leonard Williams…welcome to NY Jameis.
March 9th, 2015 at 9:18 am
snook Says:
March 9th, 2015 at 8:00 am
If we pass on a QB at #1, I’m done as a Bucs fan.
Can’t watch garbage football anymore.
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And if they draft a QB at #1 and he goes 2-14, 2-14, you’ll still be a fan? Conversely, if they pass on a QB and go 10-6, 11-5, you’ll still be done? The histrionics people are throwing out there is getting embarrassing.
March 9th, 2015 at 9:30 am
First…believe nothing. These are rumors only and most of hte time they are false.
Second, if true, I can tell you what it means, Joe.
We ALL knew a veteran would be brought in. Shaun Hill only had a passer rating below 80% once, and that was 79.6%. In 14 years.
If we’re to believe what we’ve been hearing here, Mike Glennon is already on the trading block, so that’s not news.
The true meaning behind this, if it’s true, is that Shaun Hill is a pocket passer…which would seem to point toward the pick being Winston, because the veteran isn’t going to be about actually being a backup…but rather, about being a mentor.
Then again…there is only one QB in the free agent market that might be considered mobile, and he has a shameful past.
March 9th, 2015 at 9:36 am
@snook and @bucrightoff
Let me just say this…I’ve already stopped attending games. Not because of the results of last season, but because I saw it coming a mile off and did not support the hiring of Frazier, Tedford or McCown in the first place. Also because they did not go after one of the better QBs or OL in the draft.
So I boycotted paying for tickets this last season. A LOT of tickets.
I still watch the games on TV and consider myself a fan, and it’s in my blood so that will never change. However, if they EVER want me buying tickets for the family, the kids clubs I normally buy for, or buying merchandise, they need to earn my trust back. That starts with NOT DRAFTING WINSTON.
I could handle drafting Mariota. I could handle a trade down if Licht (for the first time like ever) works a good trade…but I can not deal with telling little kids to admire Winston.
March 9th, 2015 at 9:47 am
So much for the Glennon Mob lol Glennon can’t beat out anyone even Freeman haha he sure won’t beat out this veteran. It’s what lovie lines apparently setting it up for either rookie we draft to sit and learn. Bye bye Glennon, tired of listening to nonsense about how good he is IF this or IF that, go live out the rest of your career on someone’s bench, the Leonard Johnson of quarterbacks…… Take him with you
March 9th, 2015 at 10:12 am
Bonzai
That’s tough to hear. I commend you though.
March 9th, 2015 at 10:14 am
In chess, if SH14 comes into play, then BP14 is removed from the picture. Very bizarre. Whose idea is this?
March 9th, 2015 at 10:49 am
Bonzai…how many little kids do you think know about Winston’s past?
March 9th, 2015 at 10:54 am
bucrightoff…fans have waited LONG enough for a franchise QB. Apparently you might be a new fan or something.
If the Bucs draft Winston or Mariota and they still go 2-14 next year. I’ll still be a fan, with hope for the future. I’m not expecting much from either rookie QB.
Say they go your scenario and get Williams or trade down. Then go 2-14 or 4-12 and STILL have no franchise QB in the history of the franchise. That’s going to piss off a lot of fans if Winston or Mariota goes onto shine in the NFL in a few years, not just me.
March 9th, 2015 at 11:04 am
Everyone who wants to blame Licht for everything, remember Dovie has the last say. Neither Winston or Mariota guanantees the Bucs anything. I would definitely consider trading down for the right deal & would have no problem with Glennon & Hill as the QB’s.
March 9th, 2015 at 11:15 am
You realize that if they draft Williams and go 4-12 or worse they’ll be in the top 5 again next year with another chance to draft a QB right 87? You’re acting like drafting a QB solves everything when realistically this team won’t win more than 6 games next year regardless of who they draft. Drafting a QB solves nothing really other than some incessant desire to draft one at #1 cause that’s a franchise QB (despite half the current top 10 QBs being drafted late first round or later)
March 9th, 2015 at 11:35 am
If you are ready to walk away as a Bucs fan if the team picks somebody you don’t approve of, that’s a fair weather fan. The Bucs have a lot of them.
March 9th, 2015 at 11:51 am
It’s a simple calculation bucrightoff.
1. QB is the most important position; by far; in the NFL.
2. The 2 QBs available are some of the highest rated QBs that have come out in the last 5 years. They are not being over-rated on big boards for being QBs. Scouts and experts legit have both of them as top 5 talents in the draft; not just at their position.
3. Considering all things equal; and considering that all positions have bust potential; and considering the potential upside of landing a franchise QB versus landing an elite DE; the decision is a no brainer.
Taking a QB is not over valuing the position in this draft. In this draft; those QBs literally may be the best players at their positions in the entire draft; according to the experts. If we hit on a franchise QB; we basically lock up 10-15 years of relevance; and will sell a ton more tickets and be a much more attractive place for free agents.
March 9th, 2015 at 12:10 pm
1. You’ve been sold a false bill of goods. QBs matter, they aren’t the most important players though. Browner and Revis meant more to the Pats Super Bowl than Brady. Not even close in fact. Without either, even with Tom Brady, they do not win the Super Bowl (or even the AFC for that matter). Probably go 9-7 without those two and with Tom Brady. Houston went 9-7 with just defense. Seattle survived one of the 5 worst QB performances in playoff history to win a game. So no, QBs are not as important as you think.
2. As far as red herrings go, this is pretty good. The fact there’s been a bunch of really bad QB prospects the last 5 years outside Luck doesn’t make these guys great QBs. Standard supply and demand: The demand for decent QBs is high, the supply is low, so good prospects become ” the best prospect since blah blah blah”. If there was still a rookie cap, no shot either Mariota or Winston are top 10 picks. No one is giving either $60 million guaranteed coming right out of college.
3. This is a horrible team. Even if they draft a QB, at least a 50% chance they are in the top 10 again next year, 33% back in the top 5. People want to bury their heads in the sand and act like drafting a QB makes them instantly relevant, but your asusmption with that is these QBs are elite, special prospects. If they were, why is Leonard Williams #1 on every draft board now? (Hint: Mock drafts are not draft boards, one is who people think is going where, the other is BPA.). Did you see anyone besides Luck at #1 in 2011? Its the desperation teams have for QBs and the rookie cap why either of these 2 guys is going top 10. They are both flawed prospects with a lot of work to do. Neither is a sure thing or anything close.
March 9th, 2015 at 1:17 pm
1. No one is selling me anything it’s just simple observation of a sport rooted in a ton of history & facts & consensus opinion lol.
I can’t believe you literally think Browner or Revis or them together even is more important to the Pats than Brady. That’s one of the most rediculous things I’ve ever heard. They were probably the biggest reasons BEYOND Tom Brady that they could win a SB; but to say they were responsible for more wins than Brady is insane dude. Brady’s worst seasons in the NFL have still been enough for them to consistenly win the division and compete in the playoffs. I think you might be one of the only people in the NFL community to make that argument. It’s rediculous.
Houston’s QB play wasn’t that bad last year. Do you realize Fitzpatrick had a QB rating in the mid 90s? Their D was just as talented the year Schaub played his worst season and it didn’t make up for terrible QB play – in fact – with a loaded roster of talent they ended up with the #1 pick in the draft. You’re spinning facts without any context here.
2. There’s no way to verify anything you are saying here because it’s just hypothetical arguments and conjecture. Sam Bradford was somewhat of a risk coming out due to the offense he ran and he got $50 million guarenteed before the new CBA. It’s not even close how important QBs are compared to other positions. I’ve read multiple times that Winston would have been the #1 PROSPECT in 2013 over Clowney / Mack / etc; before the off the field issues came up.. To say that they are being over rated is just ignorant if you’ve followed these players stock the last few years.
3. I just completely disagree. The NFL is incredibly competitive and even the worst players aren’t as bad as people make them out to be. Houston; a team you cited for being really well rounded and talent deep; had the worst record in the league a year ago because they had the worst QB play in the league.
The Bucs have an All Pro DT, an All Pro LB, solid CBs (1 a probowler), decent LBs. They have one of the best WR crews in the league; and solid RB depth and TE depth / potential. They are weak on O-line / DE but they have solid starters at a lot of positions.
Sure Leanord Williams is #1 on most draft boards. It’s the safest and easiest thing to say right now. There are still people (Walterfootball) that have Winston #1 on their entire board. Even if the QBs were ranked like #4 and #5 on the big boards that is easily enough to take them #1. There are no can’t miss prospects.
Clowney was supposed to be the safe pick last year and look how that turned out.
March 9th, 2015 at 1:25 pm
bucrightoff, Tom Brady IS the most important player on the Patriots.
All credibility goes out the window for you if you cannot admit that.
March 9th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
I don’t understand how people thinking trading down and drafting Williams is such a sure thing, he’s no more a slam dunk than MM or Winston just ask teams like Texans, cardinals or rams, teams with dominating defenses and no quarterback. What the hell is the point of drafting a defensive player first overall when offense is your biggest issue
March 10th, 2015 at 6:13 am
Hey Buccfan37….I’ve been a season ticket holder since 1996…but you can call me a fair weather fan if you wish.