Another Sign Bucs Pick A QB
March 15th, 2015
Mike Evans (above) and Vincent Jackson will give Jameis Winston a fine pair of targets to help the rookie ease into the NFL.
Put a gun to Joe’s head and Joe still couldn’t tell you who the Bucs will draft No. 1 overall.
Oh, sure, all signs point to Jameis Winston. Notice you can hear and read all sorts of people talkng about Marcus Mariota falling to the Redskins or the Jets, or even to the Eagles, but you never hear or read that about Winston.
Think about it.
And while Joe wouldn’t be shocked if the Bucs passed on Winston — hey, we are talking Lovie Smith here, and the guy is simply unpredictable with personnel — there is another sign, dug up by Joe Kania of Buccaneers.com, that suggests a quarterback is coming the night of April 30.
Kania dug through volumes from the numbers crowd and unearthed this item:
Vincent Jackson (+2.4) and Mike Evans (+10.2) were among four NFC South wide receivers to finish with positive ratings. Ten wide-outs in the division finished with negative ratings.
Unless you are the Rams, when you draft a quarterback No. 1 overall, you give him quality weapons to ease his transition to the NFL.
Look no further than what Winston will have: Jackson and Evans at wideouts, Austin Seferian-Jenkins (if he can stay out of the hot tub) at tight end, and one of the deepest stables of running backs in the NFL.
Offensive line? Yeah, that’s shaky. Still, the kickoff of the regular season is just under six months away. Lot of time to fill those holes.
March 15th, 2015 at 12:01 am
Since I strongly believe that NEITHER Winston or Mariota will develop into the franchise QB of everyone’s dream, then the best move is to spend the enormous draft capital of the 1st pick, not for a single player, but by trying to trade down to get as many picks as possible to fill as many of those holes as possible. This also has an added benefit of several players who will “mature” at approximately the same time in the future, and then adding a few select free agents to fill out the team.
tickrdr
March 15th, 2015 at 1:21 am
Tickrdr
The difference between all the playoff teams this past year and those who sat home was a franchise qb. Brady Manning ect. We may not find ourselves in this position again so we must draft a qb at 1 no matter how tempted we are to quote improve the whole team. Buffallo was a top 5 defense and sat at home for the playoffs.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:15 am
Just kicked the dog and my head hurts from banging it on the table as the first post in this thread is from a trade down guy!!!! Stop!!!! You don’t pass up at a shot at a franchise QB to get extra picks. The top pick is never traded! Ever! The Bucs certainly shouldn’t be the first to do this when they desperately need a QB. So tired of seeing these ridiculous posts.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:17 am
I highly doubt Koetter would have taken the job if he was not promised a QB with first pick. It’s not like Koetter didn’t have better opportunities elsewhere. I’m sure they had to bribe him.. money isn’t enough given Lovie’s history with OCs and it damn sure wasn’t the opportunity to work with that loser glennon. I don’t care if he likes 8 or not.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:18 am
I guess we can’t ban these guys from commenting until April 30th. You MUST pick a QB. Any other choice and Lovie should be fired on the spot.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:20 am
Since his handle is Bucfan4life his post must be gospel.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:21 am
To add on to the good post by Dan, if the Bucs don’t take advantage this year of their draft position and pick a franchise QB, they will end up like the Rams or Bills of this year, or even the Bucs of old when they drafted Free. They will finish each year with an ok, non-playoff, record and drafting in the middle of the first round taking a flyer on a Freeman or a TJ Manuel, HOPING they get lucky. Or trading for a Nick Foles or signing a recycled FA bc Manuel didn’t turn out as expected. No one at any position is a lock coming out of the draft, but stats show the higher the are picked the better chance they will succeed.
Yeah, there are extremes in getting lucky in Brady (6th rd), Wilson (3rd rd), and Romo (undrafted), but I have a better chance of winning the lottery than the Bucs do of finding a late round franchise QB.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:22 am
@Bucfan4life,
Ditto dude!
March 15th, 2015 at 10:24 am
No talk about Winston because nobody else wants him
March 15th, 2015 at 10:28 am
Sounds like Lovie will issue a changing of the guards…the NEW QB OF THE FUTURE >> Mariota…and MG assumes the position.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:29 am
Must be some good stuff you smoking Tampabaybucfan.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:30 am
Or would it not be bizarre Chip gives us Bradford & Murray & the kicker sink?
March 15th, 2015 at 10:31 am
kitchen*
March 15th, 2015 at 10:31 am
EVERYONE needs to understand that you can have weapons but if you do not have time to put AMMO into them, well, need we say more.
Jameis had the luxury of a really good offensive line with a superior running game and great talent around him at the college level.
You saw what happened when Oregon finally put pressure on him, he turned into Garo Yepremian……
That being said, with the Bucs offensive line, Jameis or whoever, will just be another guy getting beat up on Sundays and everyone who things Jameis is the answer will still be moaning…
March 15th, 2015 at 10:32 am
So which teams are talking about moving up for Mariota?
March 15th, 2015 at 10:32 am
Tampabaybucfan
You know better than that sir. The rest of the league just understands the bucs have no choice but to draft Jameis therfore they have moved on. They have accepted it, you will too soon. you’re to smart not to get it.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:34 am
No talk about Winston because everyone knows he will be gone when Bucs draft #1!
March 15th, 2015 at 10:34 am
Rome wasn’t built in a day. Draft the QB, have him take his lumps while you build that o-line. You don’t pass up this chance.
You just don’t.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:36 am
@Dan
Agreed. While trading down to accumulate picks for DE, OG, OT etc is nice in theory, it still leaves a glaring hole at the most crucial position. As Joe and others often stated last year, it’s hard to win with the worst quarterback in your own division. Yes, there is no Andrew Luck in this draft, but with our quarterback situation and possessing the number one pick, have to take a shot at landing a franchise quarterback.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:37 am
It’s jameis. THey have a mock draft with Charlie casserly I believe name is on their own Buccaneers.com. And Jameis is #1 pick. Why would they put that on there unless getting fans comfortable with Jameis based on his past charges/problems.
Otherwise. It is he best smoke and mirrors campaign in history of nfl. After all, bucs simply cut Michael Johnson with no smart back up plan for the right edge rusher which is key in Tampa 2. Sad to say but bucs need a draft better than sapp/brooks year to be relevant next year. Almost impossible to grab 4 starters in draft s 1st 4 rounds that become immediate good starters (Qb. De. Guard, tackle). Still think they could better themselves with taking joe barksdale as RT from Rams and guard Justin blalock from ATL who knows koetter system in free agency.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:42 am
Trading down is a coward’s move imo. Pick one of the two, take the chance damnit. Barring a trade down with Tennessee (highly unlikely) I don’t want to hear it.
Also, I’ve seen it posted a few times, the Bucs aren’t drafting at the top of the round every round. Our 4th, 5th, and 6th round picks are all from other teams, we traded away our originals. 4th and 6th are from the Rams, the two 5’s are from the Ravens and Pats.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:42 am
Couldn’t say it any better Tampabaybucfan!!
March 15th, 2015 at 10:44 am
Can anyone tell me which teams are trying to move up for Mariota?
March 15th, 2015 at 10:49 am
Many have posted here about how Lovie as a defensive guy must really be lusting for Leonard Williams. No doubt.
But Lovie has also lived through a career that has been limited by poor QB play dating back to the Bucs. When Rex Grossman is your best the bar is set pretty low.
Perhaps Lovie is simply tired of trying to cover up crappy QB play. I wouldn’t be shocked if Lovie is lusting for a QB as much as the posters here.
Remember a good QB would also make Lovie’s defense better by getting it off the field occasionally instead of the repeated 3 and outs we and Lovie have become accustomed to seeing.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:49 am
Funny, but I just read about 15 mock drafts this am (8 on nfl, 3 on cbs, etc) and EVERYONE OF THEM had the Bucs taking Winston. It’s not even a debate anymore. Get over it. Jameis will be in a Bucs uniform in 2015
March 15th, 2015 at 10:52 am
@87 I don’t think anyone will try to trade up for either guy at the 1 or 2 spot, too expensive and a QB carries too much risk. Lessons have likely been learned from the RGIII deal. Chip said it, “not going to mortgage the future”.
If either guy slips past Tennessee I think things will get interesting though.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:54 am
What would people think, would you accept this from the eagles, Bradford, Mathis and their 2nd this year and their 3rd next year for the top pick. I think I could accept it, but any thing less we sit tight.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:55 am
Harry …from what I’ve been told 27 out of 28 mocks have the Bucs taking Winsotn at 1.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:58 am
gracelivin Says:
March 15th, 2015 at 10:54 am
“What would people think, would you accept this from the eagles, Bradford, Mathis and their 2nd this year and their 3rd next year for the top pick. I think I could accept it, but any thing less we sit tight.”
Holy crap have you ever watched an NFL draft? It’s going to take a HELLUVA lot more than that to move up to number 1 from number 20.
So you’re saying the Eagles get to keep their first pick as well? And all we get is Bradford and Mathis and no first round pick?
March 15th, 2015 at 10:58 am
China Bradford can’t stay healthy. Mathis is on downside. Those are moves bad teams make so it’s well with in reason to think Lovie would do something stupid. There is not a trade scenario good enough period. Bucs must draft Winston
March 15th, 2015 at 11:00 am
Gotta have a quarterback. Period.
The trade down crows is insane. If we had a franchise quarterback, ghen trading down wohkd make all kinds if sense. But we don’t, and we need one.
Take the chance on Winston.
March 15th, 2015 at 11:04 am
Kelly would have to move up from 20 before any trade should or would even happen. The Bucs are NOT dropping all the way down to 20.
Anyways he said he’s not mortgaging the farm to move up and get Mariota and I believe him.
Still waiting on someone to tell me which teams are talking about moving up to get Mariota…seeing how no one wants to move up for Winston, because no one wants him.
March 15th, 2015 at 11:07 am
kaput…if we already had a “franchise qb” chances are we wouldn’t be picking number one in this years draft.
March 15th, 2015 at 11:10 am
It seems like the only people that want to draft “Winston” is Florida State Fans!! So answer this question if Jameis Winston played at Oregon and Marcus Mariota played at Florida State.
Would you still draft Jameis Winston? Take the offensive scheme out of it.
March 15th, 2015 at 11:14 am
@gracelivin hell no. Id think about they’re 1st’s 2nds and 3rds for the next 3 yrs and Sam Bradford along Kiko Alonso.
March 15th, 2015 at 11:42 am
MIKE EVAN AND VINCENT JACKSON WILL GIVE MARCUS MARITOA A FINE PAIR OF TARGETS TO HELP THE ROOKIE EASE INTO THE NFL AND RUNNING BACKS ARE DEEP THAT WILL HELP HIM ALSO AND DON’T FORGET OUR T/E JENKINS, MARITO WILL BE JUST FINE FOR THE BUC’S.
MARIOTA ALL THE WAY ……………………………
March 15th, 2015 at 11:45 am
What’s That on Your Chin Joe: quite possibly the dumbest post I’ve ever seen on this site and that’s saying something. Way to go!
March 15th, 2015 at 11:48 am
I have no ties with any Florida college and yes I would absolutely choose Winston over Mariota. I believe the learning curve for Mariota to transition to the NFL will prove to be greater than first thought. Apparently the professional who do Mock drafts feel that Winston will be drafted 1st overall. According to dcallprosportsreport the last 100 mock draft results are as follows
Winston: 94(%)
Mariota : 06(%)
March 15th, 2015 at 11:49 am
Couch Fan is a Gator fan and he wants Winston.
Where do these people come from?
March 15th, 2015 at 11:50 am
tmaxcon Says:
March 15th, 2015 at 10:17 am
I highly doubt Koetter would have taken the job if he was not promised a QB with first pick. It’s not like Koetter didn’t have better opportunities elsewhere. I’m sure they had to bribe him.. money isn’t enough given Lovie’s history with OCs and it damn sure wasn’t the opportunity to work with that loser glennon. I don’t care if he likes 8 or not.
I wouldn’t be so sure that Koetter does not like what he sees in Glennon. I think its pretty likely they will take a QB with the first overall pick, but I will not be shocked if they trade down. Mike Glennons worst game was better than McCowns best. Glennon is not a head case like Freeman was. He can make all of the throws but needs protection. He’s not only had a change in OC since he was drafted, but ALSO has never had an OC that previously had play calling experience. Koetter is the first proven play caller this team has had since firkin Gruden.
If a race car fails to win a race in three seasons and each of those three seasons had there different drivers who had NEVER raced before….but the car was still sound and ready to race, the race team is not going to dismantle the car and build a new one. They are going to find a better driver. QB is the car, the OC is the driver. How do you know Glennon cannot lead this team or any other to the playoffs. I really don’t want to see this team get rid of a QB, then have to face that QB and get they’re ass kicked. I believe with Koetter experience that if Glennon does start next season, it’s because he believes he is the better QB. Same goes if they draft one with the first pick. Either way wight he division the way it looks right now, I think Glennon should start even IF they do take a QB with the number 1. Let him sit and learn for a season. That will give Glennon the chance he deserves, and save Lovies Job for another year with the Glaziers knowing there is a young QB waiting in the wings if Glennon doesn’t pan out. But it would be foolish to not find out before we get rid of him. MG is better than any other Veteran QB available so why trade him anyway????
March 15th, 2015 at 11:50 am
Mariota all the way? All the way to where? The bench?
March 15th, 2015 at 11:57 am
JBuc, you must dumb one you didn’t answer the question!! Way to go!
March 15th, 2015 at 11:57 am
The second pick overall belongs to the Titans. The last 25 mock drafts reveals the following choice:
Williams: 15
Mariota : 07
Gregory: 03
(dcallprosportsreport.com)
March 15th, 2015 at 11:57 am
Not “The Kevin” THE ORIGINAL “KEVIN”….I’m actually rooting for Glennon, but he doesn’t have the same arm as Winston and he rarely hits WR’s in stride without them having to come back to the ball. That has nothing to do with the OC and everything to do with him.
There’s enough film on Glennon by now regardless of who the OC’s were they can make the determination just by the game film alone.
March 15th, 2015 at 12:03 pm
WHAT’S THAT ON YOUR CHIN JOE? Says: …he probably didn’t answer it because it makes no sense to begin with….
Who’s to say Mariota would have thrived at Florida State in that system to begin with?
Who’s to say Winston would have thrived at Oregon?
Hence dumb question.
BTW this site is crawling with non-FSU fans that want Winston. So you can hang that notion up.
March 15th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
What’s That on Your Chin Joe: how would someone possibly answer such a stupid question?
By the way, the reason you don’t hear about anyone wanting to trade up for Winston is that it is already assumed he will be the pick at #1. Any talk circulating about Marcus is due to the fact that it is assumed he will not be the pick at 1. And, the only team speculated thus far to want to trade for him is the Eagles which now appears to be a lost cause.
March 15th, 2015 at 12:05 pm
VJax & Evans are great outside receivers & Murphy is solid depth but the Bucs still need a reliable slot receiver that can separate on intermediate routes. Herron or ASJ could step up into that role but I wouldn’t hold my breath. I look at that as just another need (OL, DE, NCB) that’s not being addressed by L&L.
March 15th, 2015 at 12:31 pm
I don’t see how having quality weapons indicates they will draft a QB. That doesn’t make any sense. I’m not saying they won’t, but already having weapons isn’t an argument for anything besides the fact that it’s less likely they’ll draft a receiver in round 1. Joe likes to talk about logic. Seldom does he seem to know what it means.
March 15th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
I agree with the original Kevin take on Glennon. What MG might accomplish with a better O line just escapes the anti MGM crowd. Oh the horror, eek… the unspeakable.
March 15th, 2015 at 12:42 pm
Tom Edrington Says:
March 15th, 2015 at 10:31 am
“EVERYONE needs to understand that you can have weapons but if you do not have time to put AMMO into them, well, need we say more.
Jameis had the luxury of a really good offensive line with a superior running game and great talent around him at the college level.
You saw what happened when Oregon finally put pressure on him, he turned into Garo Yepremian……”
This is one of the more bizarre claims I hear about FSU… that they had a great OL. Any Nole fan would dispute this. They did start the year with 4 returning seniors and a junior, so it made perfect sense to expect the OL to be a strength. It wasn’t. The center was lost 4 games into the season (replaced with a freshman), and that worked out so well that the LT was moved to C a month later (replaced by another freshman at LT).
The running game was so strong it ranked 80th in yards and 69th in ypc.
I will say that through out this process Cam Erving stood out at both LT and C (too bad he couldn’t play both at the same time, lol). He was the lone bright spot on an otherwise disappointing OL.
March 15th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
Seeing Winston in that Manchester United jersey is another sign we are picking Winston.
March 15th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
@Bill
I take your point about the offensive line and IMO the truth lies somewhere in the middle. They may not have been world beaters but they didn’t suck either.
Agree with you about Erving as do NFL scouts. He’s projected late first or high second. How many college QB’s have any first round talent on their OL.
That “freshman” LT you mention might just be a truly generational lineman. Everything I’ve read about him indicates he might have been the best guy on the line including Erving…maybe a stretch but not a big one. So there are two true studs.
It’s freaking FSU! Jimbo only recruits the best.
But I hear you. That stat you could research and provide would be a comparison of the number of sacks and hurries Fameis had this year versus last year. That would tell me a lot more because a guy would go broke trying to low rent FSU talent.
BTW I’m neither a Nole or Gator. But at this point in time I’m totally sold on FSU’s talent level.
March 15th, 2015 at 1:23 pm
No talk of Winston because everyone assumes it is a done deal at #1. Now, how do we fill those OL holes: waiver wire and draft.
March 15th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
@St Pete,
The truth is most certainly in the middle. What I’m pointing out is that the pre-season expectation for FSU’s OL never materialized. No they didn’t suck, but to call it superior? LOL, nah.
Oregon had Fisher and Grasu, possible 1st and 2nd round picks.
As much as I love stats (and I do), I’m not sure where to find that data (college data is usually not as detailed). I’ll do a little digging…just for you.
March 15th, 2015 at 2:25 pm
Winston is the pick, I’ve embraced it. Everyone get on the wagon. Go Bucs!
March 15th, 2015 at 2:36 pm
Dan Says:
March 15th, 2015 at 1:21 am
Tickrdr
The difference between all the playoff teams this past year and those who sat home was a franchise qb. Brady Manning ect. We may not find ourselves in this position again so we must draft a qb at 1 no matter how tempted we are to quote improve the whole team. Buffallo was a top 5 defense and sat at home for the playoffs.
Dan there is nothing to reason with. You kill ignorance by ignoring it.
March 15th, 2015 at 2:55 pm
Im an fsu fan I hate chris rix, ponder, and ej manuel. Winston is the real deal. Mariota is soft . And he does not want to be here. He isnt even close to winston in any way shape or form. If we pick him mark my words we will be right back to 1st pick in a couple yrs
March 15th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
@P’cola, per what’s that o your chin joe, you can’t believe all of those mock drafts as 94% of them are conducted by FSU grads. All the experts on ESPN and NFL network, FSU grads as well. I am a UCF grad and grew up a Gators fan but I must have gone to FSU in a post life because I want Winston too.
March 15th, 2015 at 3:20 pm
Bill great point. You can have the best weapons but if no time yo reload and fire than they are useless. Which further suggest that glennon deserces the 2015 season assuming the line gets better.
I used to be on the mariota waggon but have changed my stance. If they do draft a qb it should be winston. But I would let glennon start regardless…Winston had a great line. He wont in tampa.
With that said our line should perform significantly better under koetter. What good is a long trip without a map. You cant expect anyone on offense to play efficiently when the man calling the plays has NEVER done it in his entire career. We need upgrades but I think with the way the south looks right now, the bucs best chance of a playoff birth in 2015 is Mike Glennon.
Draft Winston for insurance
March 15th, 2015 at 3:39 pm
I am pretty much at the point where I definitely want us to take Winston. And I have major questions about his character but he is just too good to pass up. But if some team wants to give us an RG3 type offer. Then I think we would be foolish to not listen and consider it…especially if we still have a shot at getting Mariota. But someone would need to offer us the moon.
March 15th, 2015 at 3:44 pm
Yes let’s start Glennon so we can watch more of VJax and Evans having to come back to the ball to catch it instead of in stride like Winston throws.
Give me a break. You guys have a short memory.
I’m not anti-Glennon by no means, but he ain’t no Jameis, and it’s not even close.
Perhaps when Lovie said Glennon was the future…he meant future draft pick.
March 15th, 2015 at 4:11 pm
Personally, I’d rather have Dante Fowler than Mariota, and I really don’t like the Gators. However, I do like good football players, regardless of where they went to college. Mariota seems like a great kid, and I wish him the best of luck. I’ve just seen what these spread option QB’s do in the NFL. Cam Newton is the pinnacle of their success, and Mariota is no Cam Newton.
March 15th, 2015 at 4:32 pm
The Bucs are the Bucs for a reason and the selection of Jameis Winston will be another move that will bust the franchise backwards for another five years. All of the homes exalt his dominance of the ACC – All Cupcake Conference – while at FSU but the NFL is different. Outside of the possibility that this guy will be in trouble before training camp once he gets his $$$ and the homeys descend on Tampa is that he is going be just another failed FSU QB. FSU’s last truly successful QB was Brad Johnson and Oregon’s was Dan Fouts.
TRADE THE PICK!!!!
March 15th, 2015 at 4:35 pm
Well….when your qb is being rushed and in the process of being knocked on his ass every time he throws I would see it being difficult to complete throws the way you intended them to hit theyre targets……do you think that if winston was being sacked 50 plus times a season some of his throws would not be under thrown?????
Not trying to argue for arguing sake….but its the truth. You gonna tell me if Mike Glennon had tony romos line last year with koetter as the oc we wouldnt have made the playoffs in the nfc south????
I think a lot of people would be pleasantly surprised with glennon under favorable circumstances
March 15th, 2015 at 4:37 pm
I don’t quite understand why Joe constantly brings up the unpredictability of Lovie Smith. Many people last year around draft time expected Lovie and Licht to go defense and they went all offense when it was needed. I thought that was a good thing right? Although It didn’t work out in year one it could be a blessing in disguise because now we have some weapons for Jameis to throw to. We obviously need an offense line and possibly more weapons on offense but Lovie and Licht have done more to help this team rebuild than have been done in 12 years. Just saying.
March 15th, 2015 at 4:48 pm
why would anyone want the thug Winston to be the face of out team.. Given money and women he will end up at strip clubs and in trouble again
March 15th, 2015 at 4:55 pm
ben..how many players on the Bucs go to strip clubs? Probably MANY.
Does that mean strip clubs are trouble?
Nonsense.
March 15th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
Dude… Glennon underthrows in PRACTICE!
Damn these excuses for this guy….go on and on. Not as bad as Freeman, but it’s getting to that point.
It’s when he DID have time to throw that the balls were underthrown not under pressure.
March 15th, 2015 at 5:01 pm
Btw that includes 2013 and 2014 that the balls were underthrown.
The tape don’t lie.
March 15th, 2015 at 6:35 pm
Im not saying Mike Glennon is the guy. Im saying he might be the guy and they need to find out. Draft Winston as insurance. Saying Mike Glennon has not played great, I would agree. But I also think hes been dealt a really crappy hand in his introduction to this league. The way the nfc south is looking the bucs best chance to take the division is to start the most experienced qb. Draft Winston start Glennon the re evaluate in 2016 and play the best guy. Saint lost grahmn and we got Koetter from ATL. Matt Ryan had his best three years clear as day under Koetter which is the main reason Id like to see Glennon start.
Before Koetter was calling plays in Atlanta Matt Ryan had comparable stats and rating as Glennon. After Koetter arrived, Matt Ryan has led a high powered offense the last three seasons and his rating rise dramatically. Again not saying hes the guy but he gives us the best chance to win this season. Let Winston sit mature and learn for a full season. It would only do good for him.
March 15th, 2015 at 6:49 pm
Now I’m absolutely positive a QB will be the pick, and the signs DO point to Jameis, but seriously this is Liar Smith we are talking about here. I will not be completely shocked if Glennon is our starting QB (although I will be one angry fan, especially if he is still the best QB on the roster). Now I’m more pro-Glennon than anti-Glennon, but I believe that both Mariota and Winston are far better prospects. Though I still want Glennon on the roster. The man can win games from the bench. Fact.
March 15th, 2015 at 7:29 pm
If they draft Winston and Glennon beats him out, so be it. The players compete, that’s how it works. Scripting the next year in an effort to make sure Glennon gets a shot is just silly. It’s the NFL, not the community Pee-Wee league (or whatever they call it these days).
March 15th, 2015 at 7:57 pm
Ha ha ha ha Winston as insurance in case Glennon doesn’t work out?
I hope they do keep Glennon, because I’m not anti-Glennon at all.
I’ll bet anything you want to bet if the Bucs draft Winston, Winston will be the starter on day 1.
March 15th, 2015 at 8:12 pm
Is there any position that has a higher “bust at #1” ratio than QB? How many #1 pick in the draft QB become a “franchise” QB like Manning or Brady? How many Heisman QB’s became stars?
Seems to me the biggest “difference maker” would be a beastly edge rusher, not a QB.
With all those offensive “tools” many could be effective QB’s.
I’m moving from a QB at #1 to either Williams or a gaggle of traded-down picks.
March 15th, 2015 at 8:22 pm
Man…this trade down thing is like a rash. The Bucs are not trading down nor should they. You have a frachise QB staring you in the face and you don’t have one on your roster. Glennon is a nice backup but that is all he is. He had his chance during a season where you just went 2-14, therefore he should be replaced. Its as simple as that.
March 15th, 2015 at 8:25 pm
By the way, Glennon will probably be traded for a bag of peanuts and a pack Ho Hos…really looking forward to the Ho Hos because I loved those things when I was a kid. I’ve been on the Glennon Mob Bandwagon and I’m ready to get off.
March 15th, 2015 at 8:38 pm
Did you say, draft Winston for insurance? You don’t draft a player #1 overall for insurance.
If a team draft Mariota to start year 1 and/or 2. They will ruin that kid. He need to go to a team he will have time to grow.
March 15th, 2015 at 8:52 pm
@Bill
“The players compete, that’s how it works.”
I would agree Bill that’s the way it should work…alas for various reasons it frequently doesn’t.
A first round draft pick will be viewed as the savior and ESPECIALLY if it’s Fameis. Read these posts. The people believe blindly that Fameis will lead us to the playoffs next year…deep the following year…SB by year three.
There will be sooo much pressure on Lovie and the Glazers that if MG8 doesn’t just embarrass Fameis Jaboo in comparison during the preseason Jaboo starts and MG8 rides the pines.
I’m sorry. I’m not one of the Lovie bashers here but I do believe he played his “boy” rather than the best QB last year. Coaches and teams get investments and choices that need to be justified which perverts the process.
I’d feel a lot more comfortable if I believed MG8 had any chance at all.
They’re getting this town so wound up for Fameis that the pressure on this kid will be ENORMOUS!!! And honestly because of his continuing immaturity or supreme confidence he’s not going to make it any easier for himself.
It could go well. Maybe we retool the line…the defense is great..and we’re able to carry a rookie QB. Remember even Peyton Manning sucked his rookie year and Luck didn’t set the world on fire.
I guess we’re all hoping that Fameis is the next coming of Russell Wilson and can provide immediate success. Because IF we draft either of these two and again especially Fameis, because the entire blogosphere says he should be the guy because he is READY, the pressure to play them will be enormous unless Glennon plays lights out in the preseason.
March 15th, 2015 at 8:55 pm
@Cobraboy,
There are many ways to try and answer your question. Here are all the QB’s taken #1 since 1980:
Elway
Vinny
Aikman
George
Bledsoe
P Manning
Couch
Vick
Carr
Palmer
E Manning
Smith
Russel
Stafford
Bradford
Newton
Luck
Now, how many are “busts”? Obviously Russel was, but what about Newton? or Palmer? or Bledsoe? Where do you draw the line between being a good or bad #1 pick? I don’t know.
March 15th, 2015 at 9:10 pm
“I’m moving from a QB at #1 to either Williams or a gaggle of traded-down picks.”
You can move from wherever you want to, it’s still not going to happen.
March 15th, 2015 at 9:14 pm
@StPete,
I don’t expect grand things from Winston next year, but I know some do. If we keep things in context, a good rookie year…..is a bad year, lol. I won’t be surprised at all if Glennon starts the year, and if he holds the job all season then I’ll be pleasantly surprised because it means we’re doing well.
Lovie made some strange decisions last year and I’m sure we’ve both heard all the theories about why that might have happened. I’ll point this out about last year, Lovie went with the experienced guy. That might happen again.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:00 pm
Most draft “experts” consider the Bucs drafting Winston a lock.
That’s why you don’t get much talk of anyone bundling up an RG III type trade to get him.
Tmaxcon, you and I agree on very little but I agree with your above statement about Koettee.
Also, I think Lovie has seen the error of his ways. As one person out here continullay states, Lovie has a .333 winning percentage against winning teams.
If there is one thing all winning teams have it’s usually a better QB. All Lovie has to do is look at his Super Bowl loss to realize his team was beaten by a team that had a much more superior QB than the one who was tossing for his team.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:15 pm
On your list George I would have to say George, Couch, Vick, Carr, Smith and Russell.
Many would include Vinny on that list but not me.
Poor Vinny had to struggle with Ray Perkins as a coach, no proven WR’s, an average offensive line and no running attack.
Talk about a recipe for disaster. When Vinny left town he was probably suffering from PTSD.
Despite all the above reasons, I still remember poor Vinny being the target of so much hate and vitriol from the fans it was like he was wearing a white hood and sheet in downtown Tel Aviv.
Another reason why I consider our fans to be among the most stupid and uninformed n the NFL.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:21 pm
With a decent oline and a real OC, Glennon’s gonna do great.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:27 pm
Vinnie suffered from overconfidence…..always thought he could “squeeze” on in…..Oops…..interception….
I agree….Vinnie didn’t have much of a team…..would love to see him with ME13 & VJax….
March 15th, 2015 at 10:49 pm
Where do these people come from with this trade down nonsense? Hello, we have the no. 1 pick among a fair amount of other picks in the draft. We need a qb, go get him. There is 2 available. Pick one and go from there. It’s like these people think there is some magical potion in having more pics to fill all these needs. Qb is a big need, you don’t get the chance to be in this position to pick an upper talented one out of college. I think it’s worth the risk. It’s not like there is no talent at the position. I just don’t get it.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:52 pm
Mike Glennon’s gonna do great. Haha…… that ship has sailed buddy. We’ve seen enough of that. Actually could’ve told you that 3 games in with that guy.
March 15th, 2015 at 10:54 pm
Glennon will be a career backup. Please people, stop it with the”Glennon being a hidden gem” crap. Even I drank the kool-aid about Glennon’s last start.
March 15th, 2015 at 11:11 pm
loggedontosay Says:
March 15th, 2015 at 2:36 pm
Dan Says:
March 15th, 2015 at 1:21 am
Tickrdr
The difference between all the playoff teams this past year and those who sat home was a franchise qb. Brady Manning ect. We may not find ourselves in this position again so we must draft a qb at 1 no matter how tempted we are to quote improve the whole team. Buffallo was a top 5 defense and sat at home for the playoffs.
Dan there is nothing to reason with. You kill ignorance by ignoring it.
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@ Dan and @ Loggedontosay
Another repost from earlier this year, please ignore.
“Look at the Final Four this year in the NFL–they all have Franchise QBs.”
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In their first 19 games in the NFL:
Luck: 26 TDs, 19 INTs
Rodgers: 32 TDs, 13 INTs (But this was his 4th year, 1st as starter)
Wilson: 32 TDs, 12 INTs ( or 30 TDs, 11 INTs: if you count the playoffs)
Brady: 31 TDs, 18 INTs
Everyone wants to predict how a college quarterback’s success, wins, comebacks, Heisman trophies, etc. will translate to success in the NFL.
Why not just look at how they have performed in the NFL.
A certain backup QB on a terrible team: 29 TDs, 15 INTs (18.5 games)
Hint: His first name is Mike, and he wears #8.
Please look up the performance of your favorite QB in the first 19 games of their career, and let us all know how they compare.
tickrdr
March 15th, 2015 at 11:45 pm
tickrdr…welp Glennon has Vjax to thank in 2013. He has Vjax and Evans to thank in 2014.
Stats…schmats. Did all those guys you mentioned have 2 stud WR’s to throw during their first 19 games?
March 16th, 2015 at 12:14 am
@Buc1987
Care to hazard a guess as to the Big JabooBoo’s rookie stats?
# TDs vs. INTs, QB rating? Any other folks want to guess?
tickrdr
March 16th, 2015 at 12:16 am
@Buc1987
Mr. McCown had those same receivers. How did that work out for him?
tickrdr
March 16th, 2015 at 12:17 am
“tickrdr…welp Glennon has Vjax to thank in 2013. He has Vjax and Evans to thank in 2014.”
Now, I said I was more pro-Glennon than anti-Glennon, and I still want one of the QB’s in this draft, but that was a very silly statement.
Glennon has one guy to thank for 2013? A crappy line, a crappy defense that blew a 21 point lead in Seattle, and hobbled RB’s and WR’s all over the place and Glennon looked okay because of VJax? A lot of people like to say that good QB’s elevate the play of others around them and make them look better. You like to say that Jameis made players that played with EJ Manuel look better. What about certain guys like Tiquan Underwood and Tim Wright? Glennon sure as hell made them look good, Underwood who is out of football I believe, and Wright who was traded and now backs up Gronkowski.
And 2014? Sure, the first pair of 1,000 yard Bucs receivers helped Glennon a lot, but those were the only two guys he had. An even worse line than 2013, even worse RB play, a slightly better defense that still couldn’t stop anybody, yet he came off the bench and took a team that just a game earlier lost 56-14 on primetime, and won with them IN Pittsburgh, then took the Aints to OT after that.
Look, I am NOT saying I think Glennon is the answer and I still think we need a QB, but there is no doubt that he was dealt a crap hand, got thrown to the wolves (TWICE) and still managed to not look like an absolute clown like the rest of his team and his coach. 1 good WR in his rookie year and 2 good ones in his sophomore year are great and all, but I wouldn’t exactly say Glennon was gifted.
March 16th, 2015 at 12:20 am
Oh and 87, if Jameis comes in and doesn’t have a good first 19 games, are you going to be the first one to say “well he had VJax and Mike Evans, 2 stud WR’s, maybe he isn’t ‘the guy’.”?
March 16th, 2015 at 12:31 am
MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank…that’s an easy answer.
If Glennon can put up those numbers…then Winston sure as hell will put up better ones with those 2 WR’s.
So I won’t ever have to say. “Maybe he isn’t the guy”.
March 16th, 2015 at 12:31 am
@Buc1987
The Colts had Reggie Wayne, who has had EIGHT 1000 yd+ seasons. Also Donnie Avery, the 2nd pick of the 2nd round, with 60 catches for 781 yards, and T.Y. Hilton, a rookie 3rd round pick with 50 catches for 861 yards, and Dwayne Allen, the 1st pick of the 3rd round, with 45 catches for 521 yards. Luck also had an OL with two first round tackles, and a 2nd round guard, and a 3rd round guard on his OL.
I’ll try to work on the others.
tickrdr
March 16th, 2015 at 12:32 am
BTW…I’m advocating for them to keep Glennon. I just don’t think they will.
March 16th, 2015 at 12:34 am
tickrdr…well knowing what they had to work with, certainly does help.
March 16th, 2015 at 12:38 am
@WalkDaPlank
Thanks for the help!
Posted earlier this year, please ignore.
But, but,……….but; Glennon didn’t make anyone around him any better. (sarc)
Tim Wright, UDFA from Rutgers in 2013 (Note: no Gronkowski double-teams that year):
In 8 starts: 54 receptions for 571 yards, 5 TDs, and BTW, no fumbles.
ASJ, 2nd round draft pick in 2014:
In 9 starts: 21 for 221 yards, and 2 TDs. I also seem to remember at least one stupid penalty, and at least one costly fumble.
Traded Tim Wright for Logan Mankins, AND a 4th round pick.
Sheep-skinned= FLEECED.
But can’t have any of those Schiano men on the team!
tickrdr
March 16th, 2015 at 12:39 am
You’re missing the point, it’s not just about having good WR’s. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or even Joe Montana could’ve been our QB last season and sucked. Sure maybe we would’ve won 1 or 2 more games, but the Bucs are trash. You need more than a couple receivers.
March 16th, 2015 at 12:47 am
Buc1987 Says:
March 16th, 2015 at 12:31 am
MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank…that’s an easy answer.
If Glennon can put up those numbers…then Winston sure as hell will put up better ones with those 2 WR’s.
So I won’t ever have to say. “Maybe he isn’t the guy”.
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Then just for the record, take a wild guess at the Big JabooBoo’s ROOKIE stats.
TDs vs. INTs, QB rating?
tickrdr
March 16th, 2015 at 12:51 am
@1987
Aaron Rodgers in 2008 played for the first time, but remember it was his 4th year in the league. That year he had Greg Jennings with 80 catches for 1292 yds, and Donald Driver with 74 catches for 1012 yds. He aksi had a RB named Ryan Grant who rushed for 1203 yds!
tickrdr
March 16th, 2015 at 1:02 am
@1987
Russell Wilson’s rookie year was in 2012.
While his receivers were a rather pedestrian Sidney Rice with 50 catches for 748 yds, and Golden “Tate with 45 catches for 688 yds, he did have the luxury of Marshawn Lynch gaining 1590 yds rushing, and AVERAGING 5.0 ypc! The Seattle defense for 4th that year in yds allowed, but !st in points allowed at 15.3 per game. Sounds like a pretty nice security blanket to have.
tickrdr
March 16th, 2015 at 1:22 am
@1987
Tom Brady played for the first time in 2001, but this was his 2nd season in the league. His receivers were Troy Brown with 101 catches for 1199 yds, and Daviod Patton with 51 catches for 749 yds. His RB was Antowain Smith who gained 1157 yds!
BTW, Brady started 14 games that year, and had 18 TDs and 12 INTs, with a QB rating of 86.5.
So, of the four QBs I listed, it appears that ALL of them have had an even better supporting cast than MG8 for their rookie campaigns.
Yet Mike Glennon played thirteen games as a rookie with 19 TDs and only 9 INTs, while losing his first and second string RBs, losing the 2nd wide-out, poor offensive line play, and played against the toughest schedule in the league that year, with a “terrible” head coach, and no first team reps in preseason etc, etc, etc. Yeah, we should just trade him for a 7th rounder and a roll of tape.
tickrdr
March 16th, 2015 at 12:21 pm
@tickrdr,
I’ll sum up my opinion on Glennon, he’s a great game manager. I’ve never seen him make an incredible play. He’s never shown me anything that makes me believe he will get much better.
Peyton Manning had a TD-INT ratio of 26-28 his rookie year. The difference between the performances of elite prospects like Manning and guys like Glennon is that the elite prospects are asked to do more. Coaches and teams know they need to make mistakes in order to learn from them. The elite prospects show that the ceiling is higher than were they currently stand. I don’t see that in Glennon, and he wasn’t asked to do much either.
He’s a game manager. Shiano knew it….that’s what he wanted. There’s nothing wrong with that if that’s the way you want to go. Most people seem to realize that even a strong defensive team needs more from a QB.
March 17th, 2015 at 12:16 am
@Bill
Thanks for a well-reasoned and stated response.
tickrdr