Strange Adam Schein Stance
February 26th, 2015
Popular radio and TV personality Adam Schein is turned off by Jameis Winston’s off-field antics, but is a proponent of sleazy Titans QB Zack Mettenberger
Look, before Joe gets going here, let it be crystal clear: Joe LOVES popular sports radio and TV personality Adam Schein. His SiriusXM Radio show, featured on “Mad Dog Radio” weekday mornings, is dynamite. Joe loves his passion, guests and nearly all his takes. It’s quality radio.
Monday, Schein threw Joe a massive curveball.
In his opening monologue, Schien raved about the combine performances of Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota, the two top quarterbacks in the draft.
Schein was especially impressed with Winston’s throwing ability.
Then the subject turned to the draft.
“If I am Tampa Bay, as I continue to investigate — that Jameis Winston dares you to investigate — I will tell you this right now: You are going to find some stuff that you don’t like,” Schein said. “You are going to ignore it probably because you are the Bucs. And you are clueless. And you are desperate. So you are probably going to end up taking Jameis Winston. That’s going to be a mistake. …
“I was always — and you know this — a big Zach Mettenberger fan. Thought he could play in the NFL. He did last year. Thought he was solid. You could make the case he was the third-best rookie quarterback this past season. You could easily make that case.”
Huh? Schien’s biggest gripe about Winston is his off-field nonsense. Joe gets that. Totally understands that. But talk about situational ethics.
Mettenberger plead guilty in college to sexual assault. Plead guilty!
So Schein gives Mettenberger a pass? Yet Winston, who Schien is a massive critic of because of his off-field stunts, was cleared three times for an accusation of sexual assault. Cleared three times!
How is it a guy smells rotten who has never been arrested for such an offense, never been charged, yet Schein is OK with a guy who confessed to being too handsy with women in front of a judge?
Joe loves Schien but, man, talk about a double-standard.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:06 am
I guess the same reason Big Ben avoids it.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:09 am
Geeesh….Joes…folks have been trying to point that…eerrr pull your head out of the sand as long as you have been touting Jameis…..NO DOUBTS about his abilities and accomploishments on the gridiron…..it is ALL ABOUT his decisions and character which goes to decisions…..off field and Jamesi will have much more time in the NFL off field than ON…..hence the fear of using the 1st overall pick on him
February 26th, 2015 at 9:15 am
no lol it has nothing to do with skin color at all….everyone that hates Winston will either overlook the post and say nothing or ignore it and still be down on the guy ACCUSED of rape. it just proves it doesn’t matter that Winston is a better quarterback, better prospect than mettenberger because he is too dark to get a pass like mettenberger, big ben, manning and others have. maybe if Winston was a defensive end no one would care
February 26th, 2015 at 9:15 am
This just makes me sick. Winston just gets crapped on over and over again. This kid will be great. Lovie is a perfect coach for him.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:17 am
some people don’t buy the cover up, especially since he simply lawyered up and destroyed evidence, and then went so far as to boast on top of a table….which is pretty disgusting.
they just don’t buy it.
the difference is guys who have admitted their guilt, whether that mean plead guilty or paid the accuser off, have essentially owned up to it.
thats why I don’t see it as them getting a pass, rather them being man enough to hold themselves accountable, and then move on…..rather than act like nothing happened.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:20 am
everyone has gotten into trouble as teenagers for doing dumb or crazy things, if you didn’t your a bigger nobody than you realize. accused and exonerated of rape is miles apart from pleading guilty in college to sexual assault. the big talents always get more chances but mettenberger is a nobody as a quarterback compared to Winston but everyday someone mentions the accusation of rape on tv and other places but I sure don’t remember anyone talking about pleading guilty to sexual assault when this guy was drafted. Coincidence? I think not
February 26th, 2015 at 9:21 am
So with all that every one already knows, what are they going to find? There’s more to the story of Jameis?
February 26th, 2015 at 9:23 am
Well I have Sirius radio for Stern and listen to the local stations for sports talk. I will make sure I never listen to this guy because he sounds like a complete moron. It also sounds like he likes to make outrageous statements just to get a reaction. Is he truly that uninformed that he doesn’t know about his boys transgressions and the fact that he actually confessed to it. I am sure he knows how ridiculous his take on Winston when he professes a love of Mettenburger. What a douche!
February 26th, 2015 at 9:24 am
@Robert 9
the more you post the more I wish you would change your name so I don’t have to see your idiotic posts. dude stole crab legs but your saying he could afford to cover up a big story like this? what cover up your stupid dude a college kid went all Secret Service and covered up a scandal like he was the president of the united states?
your dumb as hell if you think owning up to sexual assault is better than being accused. damn your an idiot
February 26th, 2015 at 9:26 am
Prerach on Robert 9
and shame of bucs4lyfe for continuing to throw out the race card…shame !
February 26th, 2015 at 9:26 am
i swear this dude is getting paid by mariota people or winston slept with his sister or something. every article ive read from him about winston has been the most biased crap. its like hes taking it personal that winston may have acted up in college and now his going to be the 1 pick. relax schein talk about football skill
February 26th, 2015 at 9:33 am
lol bucfan
I’ll let others splain it for me, you are not worth the effort. it’s just pointless. some people just don’t get it.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:34 am
Winston can play, and his antics are acts of immaturity.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:36 am
bucs4lyfe,
Unfortunately this is a very effective tactic. It works best in politics. All some one has to do is ACCUSE some one of something. Even if they are proven innocent, the other parties media will, for the rest of time, refer to them as “accused of X, Mr. so and so.” After a while people stop hearing the word accused and start hearing the word convicted.
My thing with Mettenburger though, I think it all comes down to Ray Rice. The league has changed dramatically in only one year because of that incident. Now its the first thing people think of. I think if Mettenburger were coming out this year, it would be a much bigger deal. And might have even made him undraftable.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:43 am
@Robert 9
the difference is guys who have admitted their guilt, whether that mean plead guilty or paid the accuser off, have essentially owned up to it.
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It’s called a Civil lawsuit whoever she is she’s going to get paid obviously she cant do that until he has money and she has 12 years to file this lawsuit. learn something dude because by your standards once she gets paid then your saying he owned it and you’ll have no more issue with Winston. who was it donte stallworth the receiver that killed a guy late one night on the way home driving drunk, pleaded guilty to DUI manslaughter and spent 30 days in jail. the reason is simple it had all to do with the amount of money he paid in damages to the family. your pathetic for piling on a guy for an accusation as if you have all the facts….oh yea you would know if there was a cover up…damn do you even leave near florida state?
February 26th, 2015 at 9:45 am
This has NOTHING to do with race at all. I will say this…Adam Schein is giving Winston a bum deal here. It’s a double standard.
I’m curious if Adam Schein said anything about Zack (against him) before he was drafted?
I am not giving Zach Mettenberger a pass at all, however, his actions were nowhere near as bad as what Winston was accused of. The sexual battery counts were the result of Mettenberger grabbing the breasts and touching the buttocks of a woman at a bar in Remerton, Ga.
There was no rape at all, and no accusation of rape.
HUGE DIFFERENCE.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:45 am
I listen to schein religiously and enjoy his show but he loses all credibility on this one. It’s typical hypocrisy in today’s climate. With picking sides and not being objective or open-minded to ALL the facts not just the ones that serves the agenda of the day. Not quit as dumb as the losers that compared hardy by saying it was Domestic Violence not Rape… That was Just stupid.
By time Winston is drafted by the bucs it will be nearly a year since his last “incident of immaturity”… Let it go people… Trying to make him out to be Satan or Manson is ignorant.
I’d like to see more of the critics acknowledge that Winston has kept his nose clean for months and is deserving of a second chance and back off a bit. Let this fine young man live his life. Whether or not they acknoledge that maybe he has had a wake up call and is growing up a bit. We all have learned some of life’s lessons the hard way. All of you should want the same, if you are so confident he will screw up and destroy the Bay area single handidly then sit back and watch it unfold then drop the “I told you so” bomb. Wouldn’t that be more enjoyable than posting made up crap and lashing out at a fine young man with vile hatred daily. I find especially ironic that these moral police continue to pile on a fine young man that they NEVER HAVE MET!
I don’t care how perfect any of you holier than thou hypocrites on this site think you are but NONE of you could stand up to the same day to day scrutiny this young man has. Oh and not to mention he only lost 1 game during all the drama. That says a lot about his ability to compartmentalize.
Go Jaboo
Draft Winston and Send Lovie to the Basement…
February 26th, 2015 at 9:46 am
And robert 9 is right on this one. Zach took responsibility for his actions.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:46 am
I had bb gun fights.
…….when I was 12 in a field or woods. big difference from his age and in the area he was in.
I stole. when I was like 8, and my mom took me to the store to return the items, and i never did it again. again, big difference from his age.
I banged everything that walked from 18-24, but never had any allegations of rape. and no, he was not a known qb, when she said this. he was a nobody, just like the rest of us.
acts of immaturity? acts of a 10 year old, combined with the potential for much, much worse. sorry, aint bying the immature angle.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:46 am
Chef Paul Says:
February 26th, 2015 at 9:36 am
bucs4lyfe,
Unfortunately this is a very effective tactic. It works best in politics. All some one has to do is ACCUSE some one of something. Even if they are proven innocent, the other parties media will, for the rest of time, refer to them as “accused of X, Mr. so and so.” After a while people stop hearing the word accused and start hearing the word convicted.
that’s people’s weakness not winstons and if they guy wasn’t a public figure and he was your best friend or in your circle you wouldn’t be saying what your saying because you’d actually hear the word accused. now we’re making excuses for society? guilty until proven innocent works for me but lol he was proven innocent if he isn’t proven to be innocent……this isn’t an OJ did it type case and still comes down to haters and I hope the bucs draft him just to piss all of you off
February 26th, 2015 at 9:48 am
Winston isn’t coming here, people. Get over it. Why would we not take Mariota when he showed that he can throw the ball just as good as Winston and he has elite athleticism and character?!? This is a no-brainer to me. #Winstonwouldbesuchastupidpick
February 26th, 2015 at 9:48 am
@bucs4lyfe
Losing or settling a civil suit IS NOT owning up to it. Zach plead guilty and got 2 years probation.
Even setting aside the rape charges, what has Winston EVER owned that he did wrong?
February 26th, 2015 at 9:49 am
bucfan. this is a blog. it aint personal. lol chill
February 26th, 2015 at 9:49 am
Wow, you nailed it Joe.
This is some hypocritical horsespit.
Schein doesn’t not know what he’s talking about…because THEY WON’T find more stuff that they don’t like. It’s all in the open…this kid can’t yell a curse word on campus without the whole world hearing about it! Schein loses all credibility for popping off this nonsense.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:52 am
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
February 26th, 2015 at 9:48 am
@bucs4lyfe
Losing or settling a civil suit IS NOT owning up to it. Zach plead guilty and got 2 years probation.
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PLEASE TELL ROBERT 9 THAT HE NEEDS HELP
February 26th, 2015 at 9:53 am
oj was innocent
clinton got away with it
politicians walk every day on crimes
as do athletes and rich people
but they are far from innocent
February 26th, 2015 at 9:53 am
Joe nailed it…until you actually look up the charges against Zach Mettenberger.
HE TOUCHED BOOBS AND A BUTT.
He did not rape anyone.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:55 am
Read this, people. Know the truth.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5159601
February 26th, 2015 at 9:57 am
Look, Im not bashing Winston. He was never found guilty but being “a little too ‘handsy'” was not what Winston was accused of. “Handsy is what Mettenberger was guilty of.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:59 am
I don’t care whether we draft mariotta or Winston honestly because I am a buc fan not a florida state fan or a Oregon fan and I could care less about their players, I root for the bucs team so I am for the players we draft until they proven they suck like glennon. so I’m defending the idea of biased opinions on a guy none of you know more than I am defending the person. if we don’t draft Winston I wont think twice about him unless we don’t pick mariotta…..my only point is compared to mettenberger Winston is a saint. I cant stand people who think it’s impossible Winston said he’s innocent and actually is. so only the poor are innocent? because he’s famous and about to be filthy rich he’s guilty. it’s impossible that a female didn’t see opportunity? because they are all intelligent and don’t need a man’s money right? there are no dumb women or airheads in the world who need to marry a successful guy? they are both guilty of something no one in that situation is innocent and she didn’t get alone with this guy because she was innocent. RAY LEWIS no one believes he had no part in his situation but even right before retirement people were brining it up because he was successful. it’s your weakness not winston
February 26th, 2015 at 10:00 am
What Joe attempting to do is minimize the situation when he is actually perpetuating it.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:02 am
bucs4lyfe Says
“my only point is compared to mettenberger Winston is a saint.”
OMG, I was with you up until that statement.
HOW THE HECK IS TOUCHING BOOBS AND A BUTT WORSE THAN RAPE?????????!
I swear, either a lot of fans here are plain stupid, or are the most immoral people I have ever seen.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:02 am
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
“Even setting aside the rape charges, what has Winston EVER owned that he did wrong?”
The crab legs, and BB gun incident.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:03 am
@Robert9
“he simply lawyered up and destroyed evidence, and then went so far as to boast on top of a table….which is pretty disgusting.”
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Is this really what you think happened!?!? If so, it really shows how little you know, and makes me feel better that I don’t have to take you seriously. Stood on top of a table to boast?? WTH are you even talking about? Lawyered up!? Getting a lawyer is what every human being in the US would have done, as he was being accused of a serious act, that he believes to be untrue. I’m SURE Mettenberger had a lawyer too…
February 26th, 2015 at 10:04 am
And, fyi, the hate on Winston has NOTHING to do with color or wealth. HE WAS NOT PROVEN INNOCENT.
Get a clue, man.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:04 am
Buc4lyfe,
Ugh… Nevermind. I refer to this post:
Robert 9 Says:
February 26th, 2015 at 9:33 am
lol bucfan
I’ll let others splain it for me, you are not worth the effort. it’s just pointless. some people just don’t get it.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:04 am
Anyone hear Gruden’s comments about Mariota on Mike & Mike this morning?
I know the Joes will try to ignore this, but…
Gruden on Mariota: ‘He’s the hardest working guy in the draft. I would want him on my team.’
I bet some people are going to try to discredit Gruden now…. SMH. #WinstonWhackos
February 26th, 2015 at 10:06 am
@Joe. you are blinded by the light. At this point I doubt if you are able to evaluate without emotion. This whole process boils down to logic 101. Strict math logic. Whet can you get if you trade down? Can you shore up the defense and build the Offensive line. Can you provide help to the defensive backfield. How long will it take for that to mature and how many wins can you anticipate over the next 3 years. Then evaluate how many more wins with the current QB crop over Glennon, considering that Glennon is now playing with an improved O and D. Since we can never compare the 2 side by side in reality, it only works if you remove the emotion in the equation. What would the QB situation become without shoring up the rest of the team. What is the possibility of injury or worse, “the Freeman syndrome” Glennon can be very serviceable with better protection and less time on the field. I conclude that it is my opinion that more wins result with trading down.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:06 am
bucs4lyfe…the whole thing has gone on so long, that if somehow all of a sudden they were actually able to try him in court and he was found not guilty, that STILL wouldn’t matter.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:07 am
The funny thing is, if touching boobs and butt are sexual assault, I would wager most of you are guilty of it (if any of you have pull, which, now that I think about it, is unlikely).
How about confronting your own hypocrisy.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:08 am
@87ForWinstonNOMariota
Actually, that would not be the case for me. If the victim were to fess up and admit she lied, it would completely change my view of Winston (in regard to character concerns).
I would still want Mariota, but I would be conflicted.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:09 am
Bonzai…ask yourself that. If it did go to trial and he was found not guilty, would you believe it?
Same for the rest of you. Casey Anthony and OJ are guilty in most people’s minds.
If Winston was found NOT GUILTY would you believe it?
February 26th, 2015 at 10:11 am
“He did not rape anyone.”
neither did jameis winston, according to multiple sets of people whose job it is to get to the bottom of these things.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:12 am
yah know proving innocence is pretty simple if you wanted too. i once set a girl up that was hitting on me by having my GF on the other line to hear it.
a simple recorded call to her would be more than enough to clear him if he had nothing to hide. crazy women are crazy women, but they are not usually that bright and can be put in their place fairly quickly when they are in the wrong.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:13 am
Erik with FreeJersey’s.com Says :
“Gruden on Mariota: ‘He’s the hardest working guy in the draft. I would want him on my team.’”
That’s an easy one Erik…Said the same ting about Josh Freeman. Almost the EXACT same thing.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:18 am
I chuckle at Winston saying he wants to win the SB next season.
Especially since I’m the one that said that Winston will win a SB within 3 years of being drafted. No matter what team drafts him. Yes, yes I did say it. I’m probably wrong like usual, but I’m standing by it.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:18 am
Mettenberger was a 6th round draft pick who admitted to some grab assing, but Winston is a potential 1st round, 1st pick, who was accused of rape. Big difference. Quit trying to compare him to others. Rape is evil and being accused of it is disconcerting in itself and should not be taken lightly. Just because he was exonerated for a lack of evidence does not mean he didn’t do it.
Was OJ Simpson guilty of murder? He wasn’t convicted. If you took your blinders off and read the entire report, it was plain, that the campus cops botched the investigation, and swept it under the rug. Remember, the woman had a rape kit performed on her at the hospital that now has been confirmed she had been raped that same night.
Schein is absolutely right when he said “You are going to find some stuff that you don’t like,” Wait till the new documentary ‘The Hunting Ground’ is released. If the Buc’s do the right thing they will ask Winston to take a polygraph, and then put pressure on his roommate for his story. This is what I would do if I were the Glazers. There is no way I make Winston the face of my franchise unless I’m completely satisfied these allegations are false and they weren’t just dropped on a lack of evidence because of campus police’s incompetence or possible cover-up.
Take a lie detector Winston. Prove you’ve been wrongly accused.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:18 am
These are bizarre comments. It’s almost like he knows something that we don’t.
I never gave any weight to the rape allegations because of lack of evidence, but I do remember reading a statement from either the DA or one of the investigators that went something like “There isn’t enough evidence to bring charges but something bad happened that night”
February 26th, 2015 at 10:19 am
*or rather, after looking very hard, nobody has been able to reasonably assert that he did. but for many here, the fact that he was never even at a level of potential guilt that merits a charge doesn’t stop the assumption of ultimate guilt. it’s okay, i’ll just assume all of you who can’t accept the rulings of multiple investigative bodies are all just rapists anyways. sorry…ALLEGED rapists. but probably totally guilty alleged rapists. based on the facts. as i see them in my head.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:21 am
Truth is Winston was not found guilty and mettenberger was….from my standpoint if you’ll grab boobs and a girls but you still have no respect for her and the fact that she pressed charges means you were not on that level with her, he knew it and did it anyway so what I see if she hadn’t pressed charges he could have been likely to go even further the next time with a different woman. Winston was not proved to be guilty and was not charged so from that standpoint he did nothing wrong and being accused and being charged are completely different. if you want to think he is guilty if he was charged that’s on you but that’s not reality and not the way justice system works…..sorry unless your a damn ghost and you were there in the room at the time watching you have no idea what happened. lol Mike Tyson was convicted and jailed, came out we find he was innocent and that was his wife….come on people get a clue
February 26th, 2015 at 10:22 am
robert 9, i believe what you are suggesting (eavesdropping\wiretapping) is illegal and inadmissable as evidence. although i’m sure if he did as you recommended and got in trouble for that, his doing what you are criticizing him for not doing….would then be the latest thing you criticize him for doing
February 26th, 2015 at 10:24 am
bravo SAMCRO
polygraph would be the only way to go!
February 26th, 2015 at 10:27 am
Can anyone answer the question I posed?
If there was a rape trial and Winston was found not guilty would you believe it?
Yes or no.
I mean put yourself out there.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:28 am
Joe,
Are NFL teams allowed to use lie detector tests in the draft venting process?
February 26th, 2015 at 10:28 am
incorrect pick6.
I wish he would have gone on the offensive and shown her to be wrongly accusing him, whether that be wire tapping, polygraph or whatever.
the guy has talent, I would love nothing more than to be able to be able to support a franchise QB.
but just the opposite has happened. he clammed up, let FSU handle it and has no comment. I just can’t support that.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:29 am
Taking the best college QB is going to be a “mistake”? He said that with such conviction. The Bucs have a lot of mature, upstanding men in that locker room. But ignore that, we are the desperate Bucs…..
February 26th, 2015 at 10:30 am
” Robert 9 Says:
February 26th, 2015 at 9:53 am
oj was innocent
clinton got away with it
politicians walk every day on crimes
as do athletes and rich people
but they are far from innocent”
Duke Lacrosse players had their names forever tarnished by a lying women crying rape.
Brian Banks spent 5 years in State Prison over a women also lying about rape.
The UVA fraternity sham also included more lying about rape.
The people I feel worst for are the real rape victims. Women lying about such a horrible thing sets back the real victims of sexual assault.
In three separate proceedings, there wasn’t even enough evidence to charge Winston much less to convict. But, those three instances, plus her latest interviews do show proof of her changing her story many, many times while her own witnesses maintained the same story which contradicts her versions. Are her witnesses lying?
Additionally, Florida is an all party consent state for recording conversations. That would be illegal, and I have zero doubt you people would call him a criminal for doing so.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:34 am
@BuccaneerBonzai
Good for Zach…but if Jameis didn’t do anything wrong what the hell would he be taking responsibility for?? and he has already taken responsibility for the other things.
So you prefer Jameis to come out and take responsibility for something he believes he did nothing wrong in versus him being innocent and standing his ground and not giving into the buyout and all the other BS the girls attorney is saying.. great logic.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:35 am
LOLOL
You guys have fallen into Joe’s “click” trap!!
February 26th, 2015 at 10:35 am
I wish I could support jameis, he is one hell of a talent on the field.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:38 am
I will take additional bets that Mariota will win a Superbowl before Winston does….. Any suckers, I mean takers? Also, where are the additional bets on us drafting Mariota instead of Winston…. Cmon, guys, stone up. I already have a jersey coming from 87, but I’ll take $140 cash against a Winston jersey (that will probably be worthless in 3 yrs lol)
February 26th, 2015 at 10:40 am
@87ForWinstonNOMariota
Great question.. but won’t change a thing… They don’t hate Winston because of the allegation, they hate him for a multitude other things..i.e. he played for the Noles, He’s a little cocky, he’s a black QB, etc… The allegation allows them to hide behind their true hate for this kid. The racist don’t have to come out and say they don’t want a black QB, they can’t just keep quoting NY times and ESPN…
February 26th, 2015 at 10:41 am
87ForWinstonNOMariota Says:
February 26th, 2015 at 10:27 am
Can anyone answer the question I posed?
If there was a rape trial and Winston was found not guilty would you believe it?
Yes or no.
For me, it would depend on the evidence….sometimes reasonable doubt is not enough to proove “innocence”….there is a difference between “not guilty” and “innocent”….
February 26th, 2015 at 10:41 am
“SAMCRO Says:
February 26th, 2015 at 10:18 am
Remember, the woman had a rape kit performed on her at the hospital that now has been confirmed she had been raped that same night.”
You couldn’t be more wrong.
Do I really need to post the hospital report that DID NOT show any proof of rape?
She also had redness on her knees. But, she claimed she didn’t perform oral sex. All 3 witnesses claim she did. The coloration of the bruises could not medically have been newer than multiple days to a week old, not hours old.
She said she got hit on the head at a party. Guess what, her head showed no signs of trauma and there was no party.
She said she was drugged. Her detox was tested at both the FDLE and U of FL chem labs and showed ZERO drugs. Nor was she substantially intoxicated.
Her own boyfriend would not cooperate in his girlfriends rape investigation. Would you cooperate if you believed your gf was raped?
The discrepancies go on and on, hence they can’t even validate her claim.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:48 am
@Erik with CleanAthletics.com
theres help out there for your severe gambling addiction if you think that is so slam dunk you either from the future or broke. who says either of these guys go to the suberbowl and win? they are being predicted to go in the top of the draft and bad teams are always there. they may be top talent but your basically betting that the teams they are drafted by surrounds them with superbowl talent lol not giving you a hard time im just sayin
February 26th, 2015 at 10:49 am
If there was a rape trial and Winston was found not guilty would you believe it?
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Yes, as long as they hold the trial in some minuscule place like Idaho. A place that can be completely away from a potentially tainted jury box full of FSU fans.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:55 am
@SAMCRO
Has a FSU fan i would also want a jury trial out of state…Because i wouldn’t want a jury box full of UF fans the can’t stand him just because he’s a nole..
And by the way there are way more UF fans in Florida than there are Nole fans.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:58 am
lol tainted jury box? hahaha you guys are insane and you watch too much tv. wow to think a 21 year old kid that’s nothing more than a quarterback in the nfl has that much power hahaha absolutely draft him tampa bay, if we can make it to the playoffs he’s sooo powerful he can make the teams best player on defense disappear and when he’s found floating in a river the city will investigate in the city and none will be the wiser to Winston’s underworld influence…..lol wow seriously you watch too much tv, I hate reality tv but I suggest you start reading books and never watch tv again your mind is warped by it
February 26th, 2015 at 10:59 am
@Tampabaybucfan
In a jury trial all defendants are found Guilty or Not Guilty…It’s all about the burden of proof.. that is all. Which is exactly why the SAO didn’t bring this case to trial.. there was zero burden of proof…Same as if this went to trial and was found Not Guilty.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:04 am
Seems interesting Joe that you think the rape allegation was the only off field issue with Winston.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:05 am
Winston was not CLEARED three times. The prosecutors decided there was insufficient evidence to obtain a conviction. BIG difference.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:05 am
Bucs4lyfe,
Fair comment. I guess what I’m predicting is that the Bucs will draft Mariota and we will win a Superbowl with him before whatever team drafts Winston. I just like to throw out the bet thing bcuz everyone seems so confident in Winston that I think they should be willing to put money on it. I’m definitely confident enough in Mariota to do so, but I understand if Winston wouldn’t inspire the same level of confidence…..
February 26th, 2015 at 11:09 am
Here is another article where he suggests either the Bucs keep Glennon or draft Mariota, but don’t take the risk on Winston.
“OK, enough beating around the bush — let’s address the elephant in this war room: Jameis Winston. I just don’t think the Florida State product is right for Tampa Bay. The Bucs can’t take a chance on a quarterback who lacks maturity. Remember first-round pick Josh Freeman? Yeah, the Buccaneers grew tired of his act … as did the rest of the NFL, apparently — Freeman’s been out of the league since being cut by the New York Giants last May. Banking on another mercurial talent at quarterback could set the two-win Bucs back even more.
Please understand, I acknowledge the sheer brilliance that Winston displayed on the field in the clutch at Florida State. He won a lot of close games and made huge throws when it mattered. Winston’s game translates to the NFL. His act does not.
Winston was accused of sexual assault by a Florida State student on Dec. 7, 2012. A year later, it was announced that no charges would be filed. This past December, he was cleared of potentially violating Florida State’s student conduct code. Last April, the New York Times published an investigative piece claiming flaws by both law enforcement and FSU officials in the handling of the case.
The entire situation, though no charges were filed, remains unsettling. And while this was definitely the most concerning incident of Winston’s college career, it wasn’t the only time the quarterback found himself in the limelight for the wrong reasons.
Last April, Winston was cited for shoplifting crab legs, which resulted in a brief suspension from the FSU baseball team. In September, he was suspended for a football game after shouting obscenities on campus.
Is this the kind of behavior you want to see from a potential No. 1 overall pick? Can you hand him the keys to your franchise?
I don’t believe so.
Tampa isn’t right for Winston. Winston isn’t right for Tampa.
This franchise has experienced enough detrimental zaniness in the past few years. By selecting Jameis, the Bucs would risk adding more fuel to the fire.”
February 26th, 2015 at 11:19 am
Winston was accused of sexual assault by a Florida State student on Dec. 7, 2012. A year later, it was announced that no charges would be filed. This past December, he was cleared of potentially violating Florida State’s student conduct code. Last April, the New York Times published an investigative piece claiming flaws by both law enforcement and FSU officials in the handling of the case.
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ACCUSED IN 2012—you do realize it’s 2015 and he has yet to be charged with anything. the fact that they investigated it for that long and still didn’t find anything says more about the accuser than anything else. laws are set up for women when it comes to sexual assault, he they were confident in her testimony as an accuser then I promise you it wouldn’t have taken this long to get down to the truth
February 26th, 2015 at 11:20 am
“Last April, Winston was cited for shoplifting crab legs, which resulted in a brief suspension from the FSU baseball team. In September, he was suspended for a football game after shouting obscenities on campus.”
“Is this the kind of behavior you want to see from a potential No. 1 overall pick? Can you hand him the keys to your franchise?”
YES because they are very minor offenses.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:22 am
Also Mettenberger pleaded guilty to sexual battery for touching breasts and butt. He didn’t rape anyone. I’m surprised that you guys continue to equate raping someone to touching a boob. It is amazing. Another thing that makes this apple to oranges is that Mettenberger did this at Georgia where he was kicked out and transferred to LSU. He didn’t get in trouble again after that. Same for Manning, happened 2 years before he was drafted. Winston on the other hand got in trouble and continued to get in trouble after he was pointed out as the alleged rapist. These other guys didn’t rape anyone. If you want to compare Winston to somebody compare him to Big Ben or Sanchez. However, at least Sanchez was arrested after police found out. Down there around FSU the police don’t care they just go on about their ways and do nothing.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:23 am
Nice post, Skyline Crew…. I agree with that position 100%. Why take such a risk when there’s a complete prospect available like Mariota?!???? #Winstonwouldbesuchastupidpick
February 26th, 2015 at 11:25 am
And you think Bryan Glazer’s interested in this?
Bleacher Report:
INDIANAPOLIS — Jameis Winston’s legal worries are not over. Not yet. Not by a long shot.
No, Winston will not go to jail. But the civil lawsuit filed last month against Florida State by the woman who accused Winston of raping her may still be in play well into Winston’s rookie season—and possibly beyond.
No, it will not prevent Winston from being taken first overall in the draft. But it’s not a trivial concern.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:25 am
I wouldn’t say Winston would be a complete stupid pick, but is a big risk in this new NFL.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:30 am
Erik with Freejersies.com Says :
“complete prospect available like Mariota?!???”
A complete prospect? Says you and Skyline.
He needs a lot of work and is a project. Says NFL scouts.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:33 am
Bryan Glazer, Here’s your #FaceOfFranchise :
When will #TheCreepyCrab strike next?
From FoxSports;
v. 25, 2012: A woman calls 911 to report that there are two men on a bike path on the Florida State University campus with what appears to be a black, long-barreled pistol. Police respond and draw their guns as they approach Jameis Winston and his roommate and teammate, Chris Casher, and ultimately handcuff them. The two tell the officer they were shooting at squirrels with a pellet gun, and they are released without charges being filed.
Nov. 25, 2012: A few hours after the incident on the bike path, Winston, Casher and two other Florida State players, Mario Edwards and Kenneth “P.J.” Williams, allegedly engage in a BB- and pellet-gun battle at their apartment house, inflicting an estimated $4,000 in damage. Management at the apartment house declines to press criminal charges after an FSU athletic official vows that the players will pay for the damage.
Dec. 7, 2012: Winston is accused of raping a woman at his off-campus apartment. The woman reports the assault to police that day and five weeks later calls a detective and identifies Winston as her attacker after seeing him in a class. Tallahassee police drop the investigation, contending the woman has refused to cooperate, then revive it nine months later and sent it to State Attorney Willie Meggs. Meggs conducts a new investigation but concludes that there is not enough evidence to file criminal charges. Winston’s lawyer contends the sexual encounter was consensual. The U.S. Department of Education later launches a federal investigation of the school’s handling of the incident after questions arise about whether Florida State followed the provisions of Title IX, and in August 2014 the school launches an investigation of Winston under the student code of conduct.
July 21, 2013: Winston is accused of entering a Burger King in Tallahassee and helping himself to soda from the fountain machine without paying for it. A restaurant employee later tells police she gave Winston a cup of water but that he poured the water out and helped himself to several cups of soda despite her objections. No charges are filed.
April 29, 2014: Winston is accused of stealing $32.72 worth of crab legs from a Tallahassee supermarket. He is given a civil citation that allows him to perform community service and is suspended from the FSU baseball team until he completes that work. Winston tells police he “forgot” to pay for the crab legs and publicly apologizes.
May 20, 2014: Winston is expected at a code-of-conduct hearing for Chris Casher and Ronald Darby, two FSU teammates who alleged the witnessed a portion of the sexual encounter involving the quarterback and the woman who accused him of rape. They are both accused of violating school rules. Winston does not show up for the hearing, and his lawyer contends that no one from the school ever asked him to be there – something that is disputed by attorneys involved in the process. However, FSU officials later acknowledge that they have no way to force a witness to attend a code-of-conduct hearing.
Sept. 16, 2014: Winston is seen by several students jumping up on a table on campus and screaming a sexually charged expletive-laced phrase that was made popular on the internet. FSU head football coach Jimbo Fisher suspends Winston for the first half of the team’s upcoming game with Clemson, and school officials vow that he will be subject to “internal discipline” – most likely under the school’s code of conduct. Winston apologizes.
UPDATE FROM FOX SPORTS:
Oct. 13, 2014: ESPN reports that FSU’s compliance department is investigating whether Winston accepted money in exchange for autographs. The university’s athletic director issues a statement on Oct. 17, explaining that the compliance staff looking into whether Jameis Winston accepted unauthorized benefits for his autograph has “no information indicating that he accepted payment for items reported to bear his signature, thereby compromising his athletics eligibility.”
February 26th, 2015 at 11:49 am
@ Barry ..Thanks for telling the Glazers and all of us everything we already know about his past.
Please come back tomorrow and re-post it for us to read it again. No one had no idea he’s done all these things….
#Barrywheresmycar
February 26th, 2015 at 11:50 am
@adamschein
February 26th, 2015 at 11:51 am
Bang the monkey!!
February 26th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
@87
He doesn’t need that much work. Probably as much as Winston. Combine proved that they are really at the same level. On is athletic and the other is elite athletic. I take the elite athletic. I’m not worried about being able to take a snap from under center. Not a big concern.
February 26th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
87, you’re right. Mariota needs work and is a project, but he’ll just as ready as Winston is by week 1 of the regular season; after a full training camp and OTA’s when he’s working his arse off to be the best. Those same scouts already said that it looks like Mariota’s been working under center for years after they saw him at the combine. Guaranteed Mariota will be the better NFL QB in the long and short-term.
If Mariota wasn’t available, I’d be all for taking the gamble on Winston…
February 26th, 2015 at 12:09 pm
How many downs of football has this little bitch played in his entire little Yiddish life?
His opinion means less then zero to me!!!
He says that there are all kinds of “bad things” about Winston… Everyone already knows about the off field issues… If there is more then we already know then have the BALLS to tell the world what else we don’t know… But since you don’t Mr. Shoe Schein Boy… STFU!!!
And yes our Bucs are clueless… But f@#k you anyways…
February 26th, 2015 at 12:11 pm
@87ForWinstonNOMariota
#PatternOfCriminalBehavior Bryan Glazer wants no part of #TheCreepyCrab
February 26th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
This is shaping up to be a repeat of the Peyton Manning, Ryan Leaf “competition”…except it seems to be playing out a bit differently.
..certainly looks like the guy with the reputation for being an indulged diva athlete is about to be picked 1st overall…
February 26th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
#barryisacartheif #barryisalsoagoatflocker
February 26th, 2015 at 12:22 pm
Lev in Philly Says:
This just makes me sick. Winston just gets crapped on over and over again. This kid will be great. Lovie is a perfect coach for him.
@Lev in Philly Says:
This poor kid brought it all on himself. #DontDoTheCrimeIfYouCantDoTheTime
February 26th, 2015 at 12:23 pm
Don’t worry, White Tiger, I believe in my heart that logic will prevail in the end and we will be drafting Mariota. Not doing so would be absolutely ridiculous.
February 26th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
@Barry
He dumped water out of a cup and put soda in it? I have never heard of any college student ever doing that.
And I was always under the impression the crab legs only cost $32. Now that I know it was $32.72. That changes everything.
February 26th, 2015 at 12:28 pm
#BarryParkMyCar
February 26th, 2015 at 12:28 pm
The Bucs drafting Winston #1 will go down as on-par dumb as bumbling the Bo Jackson pick.
This is going to be a huge mistake. Even you Winston guys gotta know it deep down. There are so many red flags, it’s so evident. All the signs are there.
Look, if after the whole process, you don’t feel Mariota can be the guy, fine. THEN I would trade down, or hell, trade for next year or whatever but don’t reach for JaMarcus Young Winston. Picking him only follows the Bucs trend over the past… long time of being pathetic and hopeless and making the dumbest decision(s) possible.
We wanted Chip Kelly to begin with and he backed out (reportedly, to some extent anyway) because of our QB and his whatever issues, whatever exactly they were. Now’s our chance to right the ship, or sink this sucker down the f-ing tube for another 5-10 years of hopeless, POINTLESS, futility.
February 26th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
Jameis Winston is a poisonous band-aid on a deep flesh wound. It may at first appear to be helping the situation, but then…
February 26th, 2015 at 12:34 pm
Schein shouldn’t have used Mettenberg’s past indiscretion as comparison to Winston’s. First of all the situations are not at all similar. Secondly the difference between needing to plead guilty and being cleared of all charges are not having any witnesses, an unreliable victim and/or testimony, and circumstantial evidence.
February 26th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
Joe I love your site and longtime Bucs fan. First time poster on this site so I want to say I am in no ones camp be it Winston-Mariota-Glennon. All three have a long list of pros and cons. An will be happy with anyone of them. If it’s Glennon them give him a fair shot. Or let Mariota sit and learn. Winston could probably start from day one. But not sure that makes us a better team. We need a lot of help. One player won’t make this team better. The one issue I have with Winston is his off field stuff. And Joe you said it above “He was cleared three times”. Just saying isn’t that 3 too many times if you are going to be the face of a franchise.
February 26th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
Seriously people. Holy crap are Barry and Robert9 the same people? Yes, let’s throw the burden of proof on the (by all accounts and three rounds of investigation) innocent person. Polygraphs all around! Oh forget that they are unreliable at best, but we need to sleep better at night knowing that even though everything in the investigations and multiple witness accounts paint a pretty clear picture of what happened that night, we just need more proof!
A few highlights from the investigations:
There was no evidence that a sexual assault had occurred, and there would not be much more even if the Tallahassee Police Department had acted as they should have. We would have determined the exact way that Winston, Ronald Darby, Chris Casher and the accuser left Potbelly’s that night by managing to get videotape from the bar, but that might just about be it. Winston was done a disservice by their blunders, not aided by them. The rest of the case contradicts the accuser’s story (which has changed multiple times), and whether that’s a result of her mistakes or her lawyer’s is not something we can determine.
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But in reviewing the near 200 pages of reports from TPD and the SAO, it’s easy to see that the strongest and most important pieces of evidence — the physical evidence, including the rape kit (results could have been from consensual sex or assault), the toxicology (no drugs in system) and blood alcohol (0.04) tests and physical examinations (no note of any head trauma) — were not botched in any way, and in fact were done in a very timely manner. It’s very important to note that this evidence is often unfortunately not available in sexual assault investigations.
There has never been any question as to the physical evidence, and that evidence is some of the strongest backing Winston’s account of the encounter.
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The evidence must show that it is more probable than not that you are responsible for the charged violations. After a thorough review, the evidence before me does not satisfy this threshold and, therefore, you are not responsible for the aforementioned charged violations. — Justice Harding, December 21 ruling in Code of Conduct Hearing.
February 26th, 2015 at 12:42 pm
@Walter
You were doing so good with your post until you made the JaMarcus Young Winston comment. Didn’t even read the rest.
February 26th, 2015 at 12:45 pm
I am deeply, deeply, hurt by that. And shocked, and offended. And hurt.
February 26th, 2015 at 1:09 pm
@ White Tiger
I’m on your side of the debate…except you lose your high-ground when you start making comparisons with failed QBs…..
I think it’s very rational to have questions about Winston…..everyone except Joe & 87 do….but, I respect their arguments because I know we have the desire to win in common.
I hope you will keep up the fight and accept my comments in good spirit. As you have probably seen…I practice what I preach.
February 26th, 2015 at 1:13 pm
When I get a cup for water I don’t steal soda
February 26th, 2015 at 1:17 pm
When a cop says stop I also stop doing it as told
February 26th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
@Barry
Actually, thanks for posting all of that about Winston. I admit I had tended to ignore most of the anti-Winston rants, mostly because I chose not to look too closely at what the allegations were against him. Oh sure, I saw some minor pieces on tv, but really didn’t pay too much attention to details, you know? I assumed (I know, the old ass-u-me argument) what I was seeing was the only thing that mattered. And really, how much of this anti-Winston drivel on this site am I supposed to believe?
I confess, all of those together are eye opening, and to understate a little, rather troubling. In light of the new NFL, I can’t see how a team with the 1st overall pick would take that risk. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bucs didn’t pick him 1st, that he might do his best Brady Quinn impersonation and free fall in the draft. Of course, I’m no expert, nor am I paid to opinionate about Sports. I’m just a fan, and regardless of who gets picked, will still love this team to the bitter end. I mean, we had Gary Huff as our QB, a ‘Nole, who threw 4 TDs and 16 INTs for us. The world didn’t end…it just shuddered a bit!
February 26th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
Almost forgot:
On the bubble: noun; also see Pear
Meaning
On the threshold; finely balanced between success and failure
February 26th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
When at publix I pay at the register
February 26th, 2015 at 1:26 pm
If I was gonnA a rape someone though I would find a skank and have friends there to discredit her
February 26th, 2015 at 1:26 pm
Yeah you Says:
“When at publix I pay at the register”
I guess you were never a star football player at Florida in Gainesville on Steak Thursdays!!!
February 26th, 2015 at 1:33 pm
I think the biggest thing that scares some Bucs fans away from Winston is the rape allegations. Then yelling a profanity laced term in the school cafeteria. And the overtly cocky attitude for someone facing these issues. It rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
Then there is the pending civil suit may result in a lengthy suspension from the NFL. Which let’s face it is going to be resolved right after Winston signs any kind of contract.
If the BB gun and crab legs were the only questionable issues he would be a slam dunk pick for most GM’s.
February 26th, 2015 at 1:37 pm
Yeah and looting ain’t stealing either
February 26th, 2015 at 1:38 pm
yep robert9, there’s nothing the public loves more than to see an individual, a university, and the media go on the offensive against a rape accuser. that would’ve been a phenomenal PR strategy for Winston and Florida State. unfortunately for those who might be falsely accused, the indivdual has few options other than to keep his mouth shut and let the process play out – especially when the fact that intercourse took place is not in dispute
February 26th, 2015 at 1:40 pm
MTM Says:
February 26th, 2015 at 1:33 pm
“the pending civil suit may result in a lengthy suspension from the NFL.”
The sheer stupidity of some posters just absolutely amazes me sometimes.
February 26th, 2015 at 1:44 pm
lol it’s just sad reading a quote like this
“some people don’t buy the cover up, especially since he simply lawyered up and destroyed evidence, and then went so far as to boast on top of a table….which is pretty disgusting.”
And what’s more sad is there are a TON of people out there who think like this.
And wtf evidence did Winston destroy? Casher erased his cell phone video because that would have gotten him in trouble regardless of it proving innocence or guilt. The accusor was proven to have deleted text messages from her own phone which were key to the case timeline.
The only evidence that was missing due to the untimely investigation was the potbellies video and taxi cab video; which if anything would have furthur corroborated Winston’s story considering all witnesses including her own friend said she left willingingly with Winston/friends and wasn’t drunk.
It’s just insane to me people out there choose to be so one-sided and completely sold on a narrative that is not supported by any evidence.
February 26th, 2015 at 1:45 pm
If this was a white QB and black girl Jesse I would have him on trial and every nfl player and analyst would trash him
February 26th, 2015 at 1:45 pm
Also; it’s an INSANE leap to say that Winston is boasting about raping someone because he shouted a popular internet Meme.
Do you REALLY f***ing believe that was his motivation? To brag publicly about raping a girl and getting away with it? You honestly can sit there with yourself and believe that narrative with a straight face? That’s INSANE.
February 26th, 2015 at 1:52 pm
So basically all the videos are gone lol
February 26th, 2015 at 1:54 pm
Apparently after #BarryStoleMyCar he went to the library and printed off definitions.
February 26th, 2015 at 1:56 pm
Oh and another INSANE thing.
“Winston wasn’t proven innocent!!”
“He didn’t get charged to prove he was innocent!!”
Do you realize that him not being charged means legally he is more likely innocent than if he was charged and then determined innocent? They come to that conclusion in the same way – based upon evidence. The fact that there wasn’t enough evidence to charge him means there was no sort of case against him worth going to trial. They essentially are saying that he will easily be proven innocent in a court and it’s a waste of time.
February 26th, 2015 at 1:56 pm
lord cornelius, jameis was pulling strings all over the tallahasse law enforcement system before taking a single snap as a football player. then he totally raped a girl (because she said so, the internet said so, and i said so…who need reports from judges and stuff?) and got away with it. of course he’s going to jump on a table and brag about it. wait til the press gets a hold of the congratulatory text his buddy kim jong un sent him. he’ll probably slide all the way to the Jets at #6 after that.
February 26th, 2015 at 2:05 pm
well this went downhill quick
February 26th, 2015 at 2:17 pm
@ Skyline
I haven’t seen anyone equate rape to touching boobs / butt. They simply are saying one guy was proven guilty while another wasn’t charged. Legally Mettenberger actually did something while Winston did nothing.
I would hope no Winston supporter believes he raped the girl and wants to let it go. I would hope the Winston haters don’t believe that WInston supporters are that f***ing crazy because I haven’t seen a single supporter justify rape in any way.
February 26th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
He is an alleged rapist and a 100% thief! The FSU bandit was on tape and confessed. Also, feels entitled to free soda at Burger King. Shoots squirrels for giggles and nudges/pushes refs. JW yells at coaches and screams profanity around campus. Other than that, he is a model citizen!
February 26th, 2015 at 2:28 pm
There is one consistency in these arguments the last few months I’ve seen here or anywhere online:
I have yet to find a single person who has read all of the evidence and came away thinking Winston raped the girl and/or that there was some huge coverup. There are a few who have claimed they have; but then they post something that is factually incorrect; thereby proving there is no way they read all of the evidence.
February 26th, 2015 at 2:28 pm
i think a lot of his supporters ease their minds by saying she was asking for it by going to his room and therefor give her zero chance of actually saying NO.
it’s not stealing if you win games yungry lol it’s steak thursdays and soda wednesdays and crableg tuesdays and bb gun mondays and shout obscenities friday and **** saturdays etc…
February 26th, 2015 at 2:36 pm
Lol Robert. Not a single person in this comment section has made that argument or point but feel free to stay delusional and read everyone’s mind on the Internet
February 26th, 2015 at 2:41 pm
The Bucs will draft Winston, which I would not, and he will proceed to fail. Not because he is a serial bad guy, which he may or may not be, but because when playing good defenses he is an interception machine. There will be excuses, he is young, he is learning, he is bla, bla, bla. The Bucs are in the hands of well-intentioned people who have demonstrated that they have no idea how to run an offense or chose a QB. And as fans we are doomed to years more pre-draft excitement as the Bucs draft at the top again and again………..
February 26th, 2015 at 2:43 pm
maybe not this thread, but I’ve read no less than a dozen comments about how you don’t go up to a mans room and not want it etc…
February 26th, 2015 at 2:50 pm
I hope Winston yells at Lovie so we can have some excitement this year! Last year I saw McClown crying so this would be added value for viewers. Plus, he could shoot up Glennon’s car with a BB gun that Barry stole…
February 26th, 2015 at 2:51 pm
We all know about the Creeps character in college , but do you know anything about his character issues in Junior High? High school? #SeekAndYeShallFind
Also do you know anyone who has a 65 Chevy Impala Super Sport? #JustAsking
I may be mistaken, but didn’t Pear win “Mr. Irrelevant”?
February 26th, 2015 at 2:57 pm
@Barry
Did you steal ANOTHER car?? When am I getting mine back?
February 26th, 2015 at 2:59 pm
“robert 9 Says:
February 26th, 2015 at 2:43 pm
maybe not this thread, but I’ve read no less than a dozen comments about how you don’t go up to a mans room and not want it etc…”
And this is why the missing video at potbellies and the taxi do not matter. Even if they corroborated Winston’s story, the people who don’t like Winston would just say it doesn’t matter because she still (allegedly) said no.
So, I don’t know why people use the police not getting those as proof of a coverup.
Every single speck of evidence supports Winston. Yet, if a chick says she said no, all the evidence is ignored.
February 26th, 2015 at 3:01 pm
Here is the problem Winston (Bucs) have with the rape allegation. Because of the incomplete (some say botched) investigation, we will likely never know the absolute truth. Unless the “victim” recants…it will permanently be a stain on Winston’s reputation. He can’t prove it didn’t happen and for many, they expect him to do that (impossible).
Going forward, the Bucs have a huge PR problem on their hands with the NFL fans in general and their own fans primarily. Much of the fan base is female, some Christians….many with children…..and that also includes future potential fans.
Sure, winning and Winston staying squeaky clean will help….but it will never be enough. If he is innocent he will suffer from loss of endorsements and extreme over-scrutiny.
I have been of the opinion (as good as anyone’s) that the Glazers will pass on him in the end. Mariota is an alternative that is a safe choice and if the Bucs miss on him it will be because Mariota, himself doesn’t eventually perform at a high level.
That is a much safer risk to take with an already battered fan base. I also think they have given Lovie assurance that he has the time to develop his Rookie QB whichever one he chooses. They can send strong messages that the hurdles to picking Winston are high….
February 26th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
I know for sure who can be the CEO in the Real World & who it is in the AllFun&Games World. Yes this is turning out to be Leaf/Manning debate.
February 26th, 2015 at 3:48 pm
I concur.
February 26th, 2015 at 3:56 pm
Google Erica Kinsman click images and let me know if the pics of them together hanging out change your mind at all. The pics gave me a new perspective on things.
February 26th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
a passed polygraph and I am all in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 26th, 2015 at 4:06 pm
99
THAT IS NOT HER IN THAT PICTURE!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/21/jameis-winston-photo-victim-not-me-rape/
February 26th, 2015 at 4:14 pm
There is Smoke here right now and it is currently coming frome 1 of the 2 QBs. Simplified.
February 26th, 2015 at 4:15 pm
Schein on twitter says Joe made a major leap with the quote.
#mediaLOL
February 26th, 2015 at 4:24 pm
Probably a liberal Democrat.
February 26th, 2015 at 4:57 pm
Robert 9
There so much out there. Check this out:
http://fabwags.com/erica-kinsman-jameis-winstons-alleged-abuse-accuser-photos
“The only thing he is guilty of is sleeping with a crazy a** cleat chaser who got mad, because he wouldn’t leave his girlfriend for her. They hooked up that night (as they had other nights) only this time, Jameis Winston’s girlfriend was coming into town. So he couldn’t stay. Things got heated, and she started basically beating the crap out of him. So naturally, he tried tried to restrain her.”
February 26th, 2015 at 5:00 pm
This clown is all about self promotion,and making his name known.in oth words, he’s all about being a “celebrity
February 26th, 2015 at 5:02 pm
You might as well ask a Kareashian for an informed balanced opinion as this clown. Why do you even post want this moron says. He has no credibility.
February 26th, 2015 at 5:04 pm
Meant to write Kardashian.
February 26th, 2015 at 5:10 pm
Robert 9, you use the,kind of logic that would make FIXED News proud. Winston did get up on table and boast about the incident. Where you ever got that information or caused you to write or believe it really leaves,serious doubt about how your brain interprets data.
February 26th, 2015 at 5:12 pm
robert 9 Says:
February 26th, 2015 at 4:06 pm
99
THAT IS NOT HER IN THAT PICTURE!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wow – REALLY Robert? Do you trust what her lawyer said to TMZ – or do you trust your own eyes?
Google ‘Erica Kinsman and Jameis Winston pictures’ – then click on the images. Do you not see the picture right at the top of her posing with Jameis? – facing the camera, smiling – He has his arm around her and she has both arms around him. Now look at the other surrounding pictures of just her. You gonna try and tell me that is not the same girl???? SMH.
Then compare that to the picture of them dancing. same clothes. same dyed blond hair with brown roots and undertones. C’mon man. If you dispute that those pictures are not her – then there’s nothing else to say to you.
February 26th, 2015 at 6:05 pm
Great post Pickgrin. As I have said before, I favor neither of these two QB’s, but I do prefer a person be treated fairly no matter what their station is in life.
After looking at those pictures and seeing what was said about thier past relationship, I have no doubt this girl smells money and will probably get some.
This is the kind of woman the NFL has rookie symposiums for. That and the horribly traumatized woman who was allegedly beaten by Greg Hardy who is apparently going through therapy to relieve the angst on the mountains of Vail, Colorado and the shopping district of New York City.
When are these idiotic football players going to learn though.j
February 26th, 2015 at 6:15 pm
Robert9 is a moron.
And Barry raped my car.
February 26th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
Love and Warrick Dunn
Her lawyer,
Patricia Carroll pointed to the victim’s lack of recollection of specific events of the night as evidence that she was possibly drugged, but while toxicology reports were conducted for alcohol and other drugs, no tests were done to detect date-rape drugs.
http://thinkprogress.org/sports/2013/12/13/3061621/accusers-attorney-slams-jamies-winston-sexual-assault-investigation-complete-failure/
Where are you getting your info?
February 26th, 2015 at 6:28 pm
@Samcro
http://espn.go.com/pdf/2013/1206/winston-inv1.pdf
The state attorneys report, page 15. Negative for 172 drugs or drug metabolites.
Test twice at both the FDLE and U of Florida Chem lab.
Are you saying the FDLE would not test for date rape drugs in a rape investigation but 172 other drugs?
Not FSU.
The FDLE.
February 26th, 2015 at 6:31 pm
Thank you to whoever replied to SAMCRO. It’s almost as if ppl like him WANT a rape to have happened so their narrative is justified. Nothing I posted was inaccurate. This comment section is rediculous lol. The funniest thing to me is the #creepycrab hashtags for some reason haha
February 26th, 2015 at 6:47 pm
@ Samcro. Your quote is the only one I’ve ever seen alluding to that and it comes from the most biased source possible. The same attorney who at some point said that the accusor “doesn’t date black boys” and was later fired. The same attorney who allegedly made a sloppy extortion attempt over the phone. There is now news comming out about her also wanting some sort of insurance policy for Winston’s health so that they could eventually get the $$ they wanted to settle for via his pro career.
This is from the actual case file:
“On 11/15/13, XX’s toxicology kit was submitted to Dr. Bruce Goldberger of the University of Florida Pathology Laboratories for a second evaluation. Dr. Golberger tested for other possible drugs that may have been in XX’s system causing her to black out and have a spotty memory. All
tests were negative for 172 different drugs or drug metabolites.”
And at that point in time; the lawyer you quoted was already fired I believe. Come on man lol.
February 26th, 2015 at 7:54 pm
Please show us your source SAMCRO.
I’ve never read any of this and I thought I read just about everything public on this subject. If they didn’t test for date rape drugs to find out what was allegedly put into her drink then what did they test for? This sounds like somebody’s farfetched version.
February 26th, 2015 at 8:27 pm
First off, Schein knows very little about football and secondly, there’s a very good chance he has no clue of Mettenberger. Finally, who the eff cares what he thinks?
February 26th, 2015 at 8:30 pm
Love and Warrick Dunn
ddneast
There are no “like” buttons on here… so…. thumbs up?
February 26th, 2015 at 8:55 pm
This article speaks to the greater problem of favoritism that these athletes receive, beginning in middle school. They learn at an early age that their athletic ability affords them the right to live above the law and rules. The world is truly their oyster and nothing is off-limits to (probably the vast majority of) them.
I love football as much as all posters here but, when do we stop cheering for heinous criminals?
February 26th, 2015 at 10:48 pm
Ever look at the crimes of senators?
Ever look at the crimes of congress?
They make players look like saints.
#parasitic hypocrites!!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicans_convicted_of_crimes
February 26th, 2015 at 10:48 pm
Whoops. Wrong thread lol
February 27th, 2015 at 2:18 am
@TampaBayBucsFan
I do get your side, and that we’re on the same side, but I vacillate on whether both would be good for the Bucs. I really do think that the comparison with Leaf (and some other QB’s with troubling issues prior to the draft. I also feel that a lot of the positive spin on Kid Fameis is coming from FSU fans, as is the outright defense of someone these folks don’t really know well enough to defend – except that this guy played QB for their favorite team.
I honestly don’t understand what Kid Fameis supporters/fans think the rest of us have to gain by spreading or indulging in rumors? It’s not as if any posters on this site is actually going to sway the opinion of the only 4 opinions that matter…?
The Glazers, Licht, and Lovie are privy to actual investigative information, nothing said here is going to sway THAT opinion, nor the resulting decision.
It might sway those who are currently siding with the ‘draft Fameis” crowd – but NOT necessarily committed Kid Fameis/FSU fans…but, so what, they’re not really Mariota fans either…?
It only matters what the Glazers/Licht/Lovie feel about what they KNOW…does anyone think this stuff is getting to them?
Perhaps the angst from the FSU/Kid Fameis fans – is due to their concern that perhaps it’s not quite so ironclad as they thought?
…nah, I’m sure it’s just to rock your world, there’s no proof…