Report: Mariota Has “Sponsors” At One Buc
February 27th, 2015
Joe’s a big admirer of NFL Network’s 1a draft guru Daniel Jeremiah, the former Ravens, Browns and Eagles scout, and an ex-college quarterback.
Jeremiah does loads of homework and has all kinds of sources, from his former scouting colleagues to the access he gets as a league employee.
So Joe really took note when Jeremiah, a huge proponent of Jameis Winston, claimed there are clashing opinions on the great quarterback debate inside the walls of One Buc Palace.
In an NFL.com podcast following the NFL Scouting Combine, Jeremiah discussed how his sources told him there’s a vocal Marcus Mariota lobby in the Bucs’ draft room.
“In the draft meeting, it’s almost like, you’ve seen the The Hunger Games, right? So you talk about how you need sponsors; Woody Harrelson’s character talks about sponsors when you’re in the Hunger Games. When you’re a player in a draft, you need sponsors in the draft room,” Jeremiah explained. “You gotta have somebody that’s fighting for you. And I’ve just been told there’s people inside Tampa’s draft room, be it coaches, personnel guys, Marcus Mariota has some sponsors in there.
“He has some people that are Team Mariota. Put it that way. So I think there’s definitely some Jameis Winston support at the high levels. But I think there’s some love there for Marcus Mariota. So I don’t think that’s as done as everybody thinks it is.”
So who are the “sponsors” of Mariota? That speculation is limitless. Heck, Mariota could have more support than Winston.
None of this is surprising. And Joe suspects there won’t be total personnel consensus at One Buc Palace when the first-round decision is made.
There doesn’t have to be. Joe sure hopes Dirk Koetter has a very loud voice in the process. Jeff Tedford, Joe strongly assumes, wasn’t the guy who chose Josh McCown versus drafting a QB last year.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:05 am
“Some people want Winston, some people want Mariota”
– Sources say
February 27th, 2015 at 10:07 am
Of course there are supporters of each prospect…..no different than here…..there may not be a consensus at draft time….each QB presents their own unique positives and negatives.
JBF posters who completely dismiss one of them are unrealistic. The real question is “who”….it’s one thing for a couple of scouts to like a player…It’s another thing if it’s Lovie or Licht….even Koetter would be a strong voice requiring respect.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:09 am
This just in,
Mariota’s sponsor is MG8, Only because Glennon gets to play the next 2 years!!!
February 27th, 2015 at 10:11 am
As we can all tell from the “Jameis Watch”, Joe is Winston’s sponsor outside the walls of One Buc Place……
February 27th, 2015 at 10:13 am
mariota will be the pick if they do not trade back, but Glennon will start.
it’s the safe choice and also buys lovie more time
JW is a much higher risk/reward, but L & L cn’t afford the risk. JW seems more like a rex ryan guy anyway.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:14 am
@ Realist
I think it’s the “Rock Star”……oh wait, that’s right he’s gone!!!
February 27th, 2015 at 10:22 am
Come on Realist you really believe Lovie Smith would plan on starting Winston day 1? Obviously if the Bucs draft either Mariota or Winston with the #1 pick the pressure from the fanbase to play them ASAP will be huge, but I’m sold that the Bucs would want to take a similar approach as every other team that drafted a rookie QB last season did (sit them for awhile unless the starting vet’s play drops off). I get that a lot of people here think Winston is a guy who is pro ready right out of the gate, but I’m not buying that any rookie QB is ready for the level of talent they will be facing on opposing defenses.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:24 am
Glennon can’t run the type of offense that Mariota would need to be successful. So no he won’t be here, they’ll trade him during the draft.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:28 am
@ Robert 9
I’m with you on (barring injury) Glennon will almost asuredly be the starter for the Bucs this year. Obviously for how long is the question (depends on his play as well as if they add another QB in the draft/FA and how quickly that player can pick up things). That’s not a homer MGM thing, it just makes the most sense to start the guy with the NFL experience under his belt until you have a better option.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:30 am
The Bucs will likely keep Glennon depending on the designed offense for Winston…If it’s Mariota…..they may draft a late round backup (interviewed 2 already at combine)
It is also possible that they will keep Glennon & design an offense that both could play……with some spread elements added later.
I agree that it is unlikely the rookie will start right away.
FA may tell us something also…
February 27th, 2015 at 10:30 am
@ Bannor
I’m pretty confident Glennon can throw plenty of screen passes with an occasional down the field throw if the Bucs select Mariota and choose to give him time to develop and adjust to the NFL speed
February 27th, 2015 at 10:32 am
The only voice that matters is Bryan Glazers. Who owns the first pick. I’assume from his track record with QBs, Lovie Smith’s opinion doesn’t hold much weight. IMO Dirk holds the most water with Bryan Glazer.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:32 am
They’ve still got 30 hours to spend with each QB. There’s plenty of time. No need to rush a decision.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:35 am
Given all the talk of the Eagles moving up over the past few days, is it likely that this is an attempt to increase leverage?
February 27th, 2015 at 10:36 am
Let’s face it….as bad as our offense was last year….you give us a couple of Olinemen….a solid OC & Glennon, Mariota or Winston as QB….it will be much better.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:38 am
“He’s not the offensive coordinator,” Gruden said. “It’s not his fault. What they do at Oregon is very unique. That type of football is on its way to the NFL. You’re seeing more and more no-huddle offenses. You see a lot of intermediate passes from 10 yards and in, which is a big part of Oregon.
“When you watch Philadelphia [which is coached by former Oregon coach Chip Kelly] play offense, you see the Oregon Ducks. The No. 1 offense in football the last two years is Philadelphia. So the system works. Mariota can play in that system. Somebody is going to see a (6-foot-4) quarterback with 4.5 speed. This guy is quick, he’s smart, he’s the most humble, hard-working guy maybe in this draft. I want him on my team. I’ll put my system in around him. I think personally Marcus Mariota can play in any system.” – Jon Gruden
February 27th, 2015 at 10:38 am
IIRC, Licht said that if there was a strong disagreement between two players, they would choose a third player instead.
So, here is the latest scenario of the first 10 minutes on Day-One of the draft.
Lovie argues for Winston/Mariota (the opposite of whichever one Licht wants), hoping to compromise with Williams. The problem is that Lovie is not good with ‘clock management’ and runs over their ten minutes, leaving the Bucs with NO pick in the first round. ;^)
February 27th, 2015 at 10:39 am
Mariota has such a unique skill set, I can see how members of the Bucs front office or coaching staff are enamoured with him. I would guess that our new OC Dirk Koetter will have a major say when it comes to the QB position, and he does have some ties to Oregon. Until and unless the BUCS offensive line woes are corrected, a fast, agile and mobile QB like Mariota makes a lot of sense!
February 27th, 2015 at 10:39 am
“If you don’t like Marcus Mariota, you don’t like human beings.”- Jon Gruden
February 27th, 2015 at 10:43 am
Guys do you really think Koetter took this job w/o having major input on which QB he gets.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:44 am
Just read an interesting article on future power rankings, with Mariota bucs rank 6th. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25082792/future-nfl-power-rankings-packers-colts-will-rule-nfl-in-2017
February 27th, 2015 at 10:48 am
Will Jon Gruden be doing his QB Camp this year with Mariota and Winston? Would love to see that.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:58 am
Let me guess: Lovie is team Mariota just like he was all for McCown, Johnson, Collins, EDS, the oline in general, and cutting/trading all the vet competition to make way for his new guys. Yep…you know that strong evaluator of talent who has total control written into his contract is the one making the next personel disaster decision. LovieDovie is team Mariota. Count on it and count on Mariota being the pick.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:59 am
I envy the bucs in this situation……last year the pick had to be clowney because there was no situation like this, bucs are split between two quarterbacks after not picking anyone last year what great year to be a buc fan. im glad the pick isn’t in because it means that these two guys could be great quarterbacks in the nfl, best case scenario these two quarterbacks are battling with the best qb’s in the league for the next decade. don’t care who you pick just don’t want the organization split on who the pick should be when it’s time to walk it to the podium
February 27th, 2015 at 11:02 am
@ TampaBayBucFan:
Wait just a minute, you’re telling us they are going to have a rookie starter and a rookie backup?
I’m trying to think of any NFL team that has EVER done that…..
February 27th, 2015 at 11:03 am
God vs Mariota in a golf match…who wins?
Trick question…Mariota is God!
February 27th, 2015 at 11:07 am
@ Tom Edrington
Redskins with Cousins & RG3…..
We could pick up a FA vet as backup also…..
Why would the Bucs interview late round spread QBs or late round QBs at all?
We certainly could carry 3 QBs….
February 27th, 2015 at 11:10 am
At this point the Bucs want to keep everybody guessing.
February 27th, 2015 at 11:12 am
By the time this whole draft process shakes out, Mariota will be our new QB. Take that to the bank.
Mariota is an elite prospect and the Bucs will also want to distance themselves from the bad PR surrounding Winston. This ‘rape’ incident isn’t going to be some event from Winston’s past that the Bucs can overlook and move on from; it looks like it’s going to be a current pop culture topic again again. Uh oh, Winston supporters. Your fantasy is pretty much over.
February 27th, 2015 at 11:19 am
@ Supersam,
Great link. That’s the exact future that I’ve been envisioning…. May we all hope the prophecy is fulfilled!!!
February 27th, 2015 at 11:20 am
@ Tom Edrington
The Skins did have Grossman on the roster…..The Panthers drafted Claussen & Pike but had Moore on the roster…
I’m not saying that if the Bucs drafted a rookie backup to Mariota that the first year he would be the sole backup….just laying out possibilities.
February 27th, 2015 at 11:22 am
The Real Malloy Says:
February 27th, 2015 at 11:03 am
God vs Mariota in a golf match…who wins?
Trick question…Mariota is God!—————————————————————————————————————————————–
Stay here long enough you’ll always find a post that makes you question how long before we destroy earth. whatever anyway ignoring that, winning wont cure all, people still talk about spygate and now deflate gate and how the patriots cheat, it has a lot to do with hating winners and looking for any excuse as to why they win so much but you have to respect them in the respect that you know you’ll have to deal with them in the playoffs, that talk fuels the patriots and if Winston has the toughness he seems to have no matter what team he goes to it will fuel him like going in the 5th round fuels brady
February 27th, 2015 at 11:22 am
@ Erik I know right! I cant wait till we call Mariota’s name on draft night!!
February 27th, 2015 at 11:25 am
So everyone with the Theory on them drafting Mariota and going with Glennon this year. How short is the leash when it comes to W and L.
February 27th, 2015 at 11:25 am
@ Erik with CleanAthletics.com
You and I have been on the same page with this from the beginning…..The Glazers aren’t going to sign up for PR nightmares with their #1 pick for the forseeable future.
This is not just a temporary one-time event……this allegation has some legs because of the apparent willingness of the accuser to go public and persue this indefinately.
This is a nightmare….it’s unfortunate…but those are the facts.
I appreciate Winston supporters arguments about innocent until proven guilty…but that is reserved for the courts…..not the court of public opinion.
February 27th, 2015 at 11:28 am
Josh P.
Have no idea on the leash on the QB (Glennon or FA)….don’t think the rookie will start. The leash will likely be shorter if Winston is the pick.
Now….I am a strong believer that the leash on Lovie & Licht is not short…..the Glazers know they have to stick this out with them….they will be here for some time….win or lose.
February 27th, 2015 at 11:32 am
Tom Edrington Says:
February 27th, 2015 at 11:02 am
@ TampaBayBucFan:
Wait just a minute, you’re telling us they are going to have a rookie starter and a rookie backup?
I’m trying to think of any NFL team that has EVER done that…..
___________
Redskins and Colts drafted two QBs in the same draft. RG3 and Kirk Cousins / Luck and Harnish. Cousins was the backup to RG3, but Luck’s backup wasn’t Harnish.
February 27th, 2015 at 11:32 am
@ Josh P.
I would love to see what Glennon could do with Koetter and an improved line…..I would really love to have the problem of Glennon lighting it up with our new rookie (either one) on the bench…….would make Glennon high trade value and would buy time for the rookie.
February 27th, 2015 at 11:35 am
I disagree about L&L. The Glazers are about MONEY. if L&L have another crap season.. there is a very good chance you see them gone.. The attendance can get worse. And i do believe JW give them the best chance to win this season, If they go with MM he will be starting with in the first 4 games. L&L aren’t going down with the ship without their guy.IMO
February 27th, 2015 at 11:37 am
The Buccaneers, as an organization, cannot, under any circumstances, make a mistake with the number one pick this year. Another Josh Freeman would destroy this franchise. I believe both quarterbacks are equally talented on the field, the primary differences are that Winston has a questionable history for off-field problems and Mariota is “squeaky clean”. Peyton Manning, Drew Breese, Tom Brady and others play in a spread formation and are obviously successful. Build with known class and ability and do not gamble on the unknown. We are talking about the “Face of the Franchise” with the number one pick!!!
February 27th, 2015 at 11:42 am
We take Mariota. Start him day 1 in his offence. That Duck offence can hide a crappy O-line. Broken play offence. Heck something new will do. How many screen passes have the Bucs thrown in the last 10 years…..3
February 27th, 2015 at 11:56 am
Something I’ve pondered if we do draft a QB at #1 (because I’m still not convinced a defense wins championships guy like Lovie will be able to bring himself to passing up a talent like Leonard Williams)…Like it or hate it Glennon will most likely be penciled in as the starting QB for the Bucs this season. For sake of arguement let’s say the Bucs go into the bye at or near .500 and they decide to put in Mariota/Winston. Let’s say they lose their first few starts and look clearly not ready yet (ahem…Johnny Football). The Bucs would likely go back to Glennon right? Dunno if Winston is mature enough to handle something like that…which is quite possible a scenario. Winston has talent, but history says neither of these QB’s are NFL ready to be successful right out of the gate.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Of course there are people within OBP that want Mariota. There is always going to be a split. It will just have to come down to who can convince the person making the call who the best choice really is.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:02 pm
The most important sponsorship will come from the Glazers, Licht, Koetter and the QB coach. Lovie shouldn’t have any input on the offensive side of the ball. He’s proven to be unqualified.
The Glazers probably prefer one QB over the other but they will value the input of their GM, coaching staff and scouts. I doubt the Glazers will go against the preference of their hired staff. Although, the staff is likely divided and that can turn out to be a bad thing. It could spell dysfunction.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:10 pm
When do the draft prospect visits start at OBP? I am assuming it would be after the Free Agent Frenzy?
February 27th, 2015 at 12:16 pm
Remember when the Duke Lacrosse guys were accused, convicted by mass hysteria, indicted by the idiot DA and then quietly CLEARED after having their lives and reputations crushed, cremated and tossed to wind – well the accusation of Winston is being supported by even more feeble evidence, which is solely the testimony of a “victim” who lied and lied and lied and lied and lied to police every step of the way.
Winston haters including Duemig should be ashamed of themselves, I excuse Gator fans because sociopathy is a recognized mental disease.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
Erik is in complete LA LA land.
“Your fantasy is pretty much over.”
Now I’m convinced America has a drug problem…
February 27th, 2015 at 12:28 pm
The Bucs will have to get an offer they can’t refuse to let Glennon go to another team. It depends on how much another team sees Glennon fitting in as an upgrade to their current QB situation. I’m not convinced he will be a Buc this coming season, but I sure hope he stays.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:37 pm
Odd how I’ve not heard 1 person claim this is a smoke screen. Lol. I guess that only works against Winston articles.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:40 pm
It is used against Mariota articles as well. But not sure how a divide in opinion is a smoke screen.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
[…] fact, NFL Media’s Daniel Jeremiah said after the combine, via JoeBucsFan.com, that there is support for Mariota at One Buc […]
February 27th, 2015 at 1:01 pm
Taking Mariota over Winston would be insanely dumb. I can’t say it any better than that.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:02 pm
@Tampabaybucfan
I hear what you’re saying…What “if” the Bucs start the season 1-5 with Glennon… Now what?? Now L&L have pissed away another season.. L&L going to throw the Rookie in as a potential lame duck QB..
All hypotheticals… its all going to be a gamble no mattter which direction the go in…
If this was L&L’s first season i would put money on them taking MM.
And for the TRADE DOWN KREWE if the Bucs were to trade down to the middle of the top 10 and still grab Winston and pick up and extra pick would you be OK with that?
February 27th, 2015 at 1:16 pm
Taking Winston over Mariota would be insanely dumb. I can’t say it any better than that.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
@poorglennon
Can’t just throw in MM Oregon’s Off. You have to have the right pieces at the other positions for it all to work…Oregon’s WR’s weren’t getting wide open because of Mariota… That teams was loaded with speed speed and more speed..We don’t have that personnelwise with the Bucs. If MM is the guy he is going to need learn Koetter’s system…and if that’s your concern about MM then maybe he isn’t the guy…
February 27th, 2015 at 1:23 pm
Marcus Mariota will be the Buc’s pick.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
Glazers will pull the trigger on drafting Mariota. If Mariota struggles under Lovie in the next 2 years. The Glazers will go after Kelly for head coach and he’ll have his QB in Mariota. It’s a no brainer.
The Glazers wanted this offense already when they went after Kelly.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:39 pm
Luther, comments like that make it seem like you might be insanely dumb.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:40 pm
Letting Rich McKay leave was be insanely dumb. I can’t say it any better than that.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:42 pm
@MTM
you got it all figured out..Maybe the Glazers can pull off one of their trades that set the franchise back 10 years and we can give the Eagles 2 1st and 2 2nd’s for Kelly right now…why wait.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:49 pm
@ Josh P.
Did I mention trades? Where the hell did you get trades from?
February 27th, 2015 at 1:56 pm
@MTM
Didn’t say you did.. But your theory was so ridiculous as if that’s the Glazers mindset.
Nothing like drafting a player that will be good for the next coach you hope to hire.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:03 pm
Josh P. Said:
“And for the TRADE DOWN KREWE if the Bucs were to trade down to the middle of the top 10 and still grab Winston and pick up and extra pick would you be OK with that?”
I would be OK with that scenario. I still believe that NEITHER QB is worthy of THE #1 pick. I would like to see the Bucs trade down to 4-6 and still be able to grab either one of them.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:10 pm
I’m calling it now. Bucs Draft Mariota, Lovie is fired at end of the season. 87, copy this to your list so I can remind everybody at the end of the season.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:12 pm
@ Hawk
The only trade down for me would be to Tenn…that would guarantee one of the QBs…..we would be taking a gamble to trade down to 6…..
Likely that either the Bucs are committed to one of them or not….if they are, they will pull the trigger.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:13 pm
@Tampabaybucfan
No matter who they draft JW or MM.. i hope you’re right and they do let Lovie try and build this team back to the way it was before Gruden and Allen destroyed it.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:14 pm
@ Couch
We will know if you have a chance of being right in 2 months….
February 27th, 2015 at 2:28 pm
gruden and allen destroyed it??? LOL
consistent winning seasons and a SB trophy. and don’t forget the picks we gave up to get Gruden. he did more with cast off than any coach has done since him.
lovie did more damage in one year than their entire tenure. lol
February 27th, 2015 at 2:31 pm
Koetter’s opinion should hold more weight than everyonr except Bryan Glazer. Koetter will be the one working with the QB every Sunday.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:31 pm
Taking Winston over Mariota would be insanely dumb. I can’t say it any better than that.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:54 pm
I agree that Koetter will have a great deal of input and very well might break a tie if there is one between Lovie & Licht.
He is a very good hire…..had other options for sure….and probably was told he would have input on the QB during the hiring process.
I will absolutely trust the one he chooses…..I trust him more than any of the other decision makers.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:57 pm
I’m with you on the trade down Hawk. I still think a trade with Oakland (#4) plus their first and third round in 2016 would be a win-win for both teams. Much as I like what I’ve seen out of Leonard William’s play if he wants to be a Raider and they are building a defense (Mack last year, Williams this year??!…wow) we could still probably get a top rated QB or DE at 4 this year plus picks
February 27th, 2015 at 3:01 pm
Tampabaybucfan Said:
“The only trade down for me would be to Tenn…that would guarantee one of the QBs…..we would be taking a gamble to trade down to 6…..”
I can think of no (good) reason for Tennessee to trade up. They are already in position to take (at least) one of the QBs, IF they want one.
“Likely that either the Bucs are committed to one of them or not….if they are, they will pull the trigger.”
Absolutely. *IF* the Bucs are committed (on draft day) to ANY player, there will be no talk of trades.
And if the Bucs do not believe that ANY player is ‘worth’ the top pick, OR multiple picks will give them more options, they may be willing to take the chance on ‘Best Available’ at wherever they pick.
*IF* the Bucs trade down, *I* would hope that two things transpire.
#1. The Bucs immediately start the building process of a good, young, O-line.
#2. The Bucs get (in the trade down) AT LEAST a first round pick in next years’ draft. If they still want/need a QB, there will be several good options, and the Bucs will have the ammunition to move up.
February 27th, 2015 at 3:02 pm
So maybe there is a divide between lovie and licht. If the Glazers want one or the other then there is no debate it’s already been decided. Besides licht, lovie and the Glazers no one else has that kind of say especially koetter, bucs worked hard for the number 1 pick while he was losing in Atlanta, I think this pick is already in
February 27th, 2015 at 3:17 pm
@robert 9
Clearly you’ve been a bucs fan for all of about 5 seasons.. Gruden and Allen continuously bombed on draft picks..2002 to 2008 was 7 years of crappy draft picks.
2002
Marquise Walker WR Michigan
4 Travis Stephens RB Tennessee
5 Jermaine Phillips S Georgia
6 John Stamper DE South Carolina
7 Tim Wansley CB Georgia
7 Tracey Wistrom TE Nebraska
7 Aaron Lockett WR Kansas State
7 Zack Quaccia C Stanford
2003
2 Dewayne White DE Louisville
3 Chris Simms QB Texas
4 Lance Nimmo T West Virginia
4 Austin King C Northwestern
5 Sean Mahan G Notre Dame
6 Torrie Cox CB Pittsburgh
2004
1 Michael Clayton WR LSU
3 Marquise Cooper LB Washington
4 Will Allen S Ohio State
5 Jeb Terry G North Carolina
6 Nate Lawrie TE Yale
7 Mark Jones WR Tennessee
7 Casey Cramer FB Dartmouth
7 Lenny Williams CB Southern
2005
1 Carnell Williams RB Auburn
2 Barrett Ruud LB Nebraska
3 Alex Smith TE Stanford
3 Chris Colmer T N.C. State
4 Dan Buenning G Wisconsin
5 Donte Nicholson S Oklahoma
5 Larry Brackins WR P.R.C.C.
6 Anthony Bryant DT Alabama
7 Rick Razzano FB Mississippi
7 Paris Warren WR Utah
7 Hamza Abdullah S Wash. St.
7 J.R. Russell WR Louisville
2006
ROUND NAME POSITION COLLEGE TRADE NOTES
1 Davin Joseph G Oklahoma
2 Jeremy Trueblood T BC
3 Maurice Stovall WR N. Dame
4 Alan Zemaitis CB Penn State
5 Julian Jenkins DE Stanford
6 Bruce Gradkowski QB Tol.
6 T.J. Williams TE NC State
7 Justin Phinisee CB Oregon
7 Charles Bennett DE Clemson
7 Tim Massaquoi TE Michigan
2007
1 Gaines Adams DE Clemson
2 Arron Sears G Tennessee
2 Sabby Piscitelli S Oregon State
3 Quincy Black LB New Mexico
4 Tanard Jackson S Syracuse
5 Greg Peterson DT North Carolina Central
1 Adam Hayward LB Portland State
7 Chris Henman T Fresno State
7 Marcus Hamilton CB Virginia
7 Kenneth Darby RB Alabama
2008
1 Aqib Talib CB Kansas
2 Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian State
3 Jeremy Zuttah G Rutgers
4 Dre Moore DT Maryland
5 Josh Johnson QB San Diego
6 Geno Hayes LB Florida State
7 Cory Boyd RB South Carolina
February 27th, 2015 at 3:18 pm
To say Koetter has no say is a little out there. You don’t believe he was hired knowing he was getting a say in which QB was running his Offense? I wouldn’t take that job.
February 27th, 2015 at 3:19 pm
So Winston isn’t a lock anymore? Lol. Let the we’re stupid if we take Mariota comments begin again! Lol
February 27th, 2015 at 3:26 pm
@robert9
PS Allen didn’t win a Super Bowl with us. Rich McKay was still the GM. Allen’s first season was in 2004…
February 27th, 2015 at 3:34 pm
Skyline Crew Says:
February 27th, 2015 at 3:18 pm
To say Koetter has no say is a little out there. You don’t believe he was hired knowing he was getting a say in which QB was running his Offense? I wouldn’t take that job.
———————————————————————————————–JUST got here and if your getting a new quarterback but he needs a specific quarterback of the top 2 in order to be effective then he sucks as a cooridinator. this is almost a complete comparison of Andrew luck and RG3. everyone says koetter worked with Oregon type quarterbacks and pro style qb’s so why would he have an issue with either of the top 2 quarterbacks. of course he has a voice but on the level of lovie, licht or the glazers? he’s been here 2 months and his value is in his diversity, he’ll give his input then get out of the way
February 27th, 2015 at 3:38 pm
@ Hawk
Didn’t say I thought Tenn would trade up….just that is the only trade down I would take….but there are two reasons for Tenn to trade up a spot..
I. If they specifically one of the QBs
2. If they are willing after the trade up, to trade with another team, Jets or Phil if Mariota is still there.
Sure….unlikely, but not impossible.
February 27th, 2015 at 3:43 pm
@Robert9
“consistent winning seasons”
57-55 overall record never went to the playoffs in back to back seasons and only had 10+ wins twice in 7 years. Dungy went 54-42 4 playoff apperances in 6 seasons and only had 1 losing season during his time in tampa.
I think you’re confusing Gruden for Dungy when it comes to “consistent winning seasons”
February 27th, 2015 at 3:48 pm
@bucs4lyfe
I’m hoping Lovie has no say in what QB we are using since he doesn’t run the Offense. I’m hoping it is Koetter and Licht. It is Koetter’s offense and he needs to come up with an offense for the Bucs as well. He will have to build his offense around whomever we draft.
February 27th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
“Trick question…Mariota is God”
yes because they both fool people…
mariota fools people into thinking he is a good qb and god that he exists…
February 27th, 2015 at 3:56 pm
Lurker,
Which team are you going to after we draft Mariota?
February 27th, 2015 at 3:58 pm
lol I can agree with that…..I want lovie on vacation when we start talking about offensive lineman and quarterbacks, he needs to realize his limitations and stand aside but you sound like a mariotta guy. Winston can be plugged into any system but mariotta he is the only one where people keep saying an offense needs to be built around him. Your not a number 1 overall pick if an offense has to be tailored for you, plays here and there yes but an offense specifically for your skills nah it means your not gonna be good. the ideal situation is for koetter to be able to use every trick in his book not tailor an offense for mariotta
February 27th, 2015 at 3:58 pm
87, you think I’m on drugs? Bcuz I operate on logic? That is just silly….
February 27th, 2015 at 3:59 pm
skyline,
which team are you going to after we draft mr. winston?
February 27th, 2015 at 4:00 pm
I fully disagree that Winston can play in any system. No way he can play in the Seahawks or Eagles system. I also don’t agree that Mariota needs a system tailored to him. I believe that an offense should use a QB’s strengths, but not tailored. Not RG3 tailored anyways. That is what I mean by build an offense around that QB based off of strengths.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:01 pm
You didn’t answer my question Lurker. I’ll still be a Bucs fan, but you have so much hate for Mariota I think you will leave.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:05 pm
i have no hate for mariota…that is silly.
i have been a bucs fan and will continue to be.
winston can run philly’s offense but mariota cannot run a traditional pro-style offense.
mariota would suck just like kaepernick when they tried to fit him into a more traditional offense.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:06 pm
your assumptions of me and mariota are just wrong, skyline.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:06 pm
That is your opinion and I disagree with it all the way.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:06 pm
lol seahawks or eagles system? lol 29 teams are running real offenses, ill even give you the 49 niners but come on man eagles run it because the want to, everyone else runs those offenses because they have to basically because of the quarterback they have. and yes it was clear to scouts even at the combine that mariotta doesn’t yet know about timing throws so yea he has to learn how to work in a traditional offense
February 27th, 2015 at 4:16 pm
The Seahawks and Eagles are both TOP 10 offenses! Obviously, the system works! Mariota #1
February 27th, 2015 at 4:18 pm
Mariota will be fine. Both QBs have things to learn. To think that Winston can just step in from day 1 without learning anything is ridiculous. Both QBs have things to learn and I fully believe that as smart as Mariota is he will have no problem doing it. I wouldn’t want Winston running the ball on my team as slow as he is. Some of you are worried about Glennon even getting a 1st down because he ran out of bounds. I don’t think Winston can even get to the 1st down because the linemen run faster than he does.
Having a dual threat QB provides you the opportunity to open your playbook and be more creative. Seahawks have done it and it has worked out just fine for them. Eagles do it because of Chip Kelly not the QB. Having a one dimensional QB is ok I guess, but it doesn’t provide creativity for the offense. No one is going to be worried that Winston is going to run the ball. They can just sit back and watch him as he goes to throw. A dual threat QB provides the offense with some creativity. The defense can’t just play back all the time because there is that chance that you could run the ball for a 1st. The NFL is a lot faster than college is. We all saw how Winston and FSU did when they played Oregon. Oregon was fast and the NFL is just as fast if not faster at those positions. We saw how Winston handled that. He freaked out. Then what happened? He started getting sloppy with his throws because of the pressure. He is going to be seeing that every Sunday.
If we draft Winston fine that is what the Bucs want. I would rather have Mariota, but I don’t get to make the decisions at OBP so my opinion really doesn’t matter.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:20 pm
and wilson couldn’t make the throw to win the superbowl. winston would have, mariota wouldn’t, just like the spread qb, wilson.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
ps did the eagles make the playoffs?
February 27th, 2015 at 4:24 pm
The Eagles didn’t make the playoffs because their secondary and defense was horrible! When you have a TOP 10 offense and don’t make the playoffs that is usually why…Winston and Mariota cannot control whatever happens on that side of the ball. And, to think a TOP 10 offense with Mark Sanchez! OMG, we would kill it with Marcus
February 27th, 2015 at 4:25 pm
marcus fumblotta should not run because he gets hurt when popped. even lovie said spread qb’s get hurt too often.
winston is a passer. it is natural. mariota throws flat passes. just because he is smart does not mean he will suddenly be able to play from the pocket. he has no pocket awareness. again, see kaepernick when he was forced to a more standard, pocket offense.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:26 pm
ahhhh so you are an eagles fan, yungry.
ok, so trick offenses do not get you to the playoffs.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:32 pm
I am not an Eagles fan and never said that I was. I only mentioned the Eagles because you brought them up first. Now, people with common sense understand the offense cannot do it all! At some point the defense must step up and make plays too.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:36 pm
@Skyline,
I’m genuinely confused when people cite the Oregon loss as a negative for Winston. %66 completion and 350 yards is a good game for anybody, no? Only 1 TD was disappointing, but it’s hard to score when receivers don’t hold on to the ball. I thought both QB’s played well in that game.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:40 pm
@Yungry,
There’s an additional wrinkle to the Eagles issue, they don’t hold the ball long enough. Maybe this is an issue with a solution, but I don’t think they’ve found it yet.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:41 pm
lol ok if you missed the point I was trying to make is that is 2 offenses out of 32 teams…..the bucs have lovie smith as a head coach and as generic boring and plain as he is what on earth makes you think he would let anyone run an offense like that in tampa even if it would get you the top 10 offense in the league? and seattles offense is marshawn lynch….to think otherwise is wreckless, the only reason whatever it is you think they do on offense is successful is because of beast mode….you know the guy that they don’t want to pay
February 27th, 2015 at 4:54 pm
Both Mariota and Winston have an outstanding skill set. The difference between the two is the mind set and personality. Winston has it, Mariota does not. Simple as that. If you remove the off-field problems from the equation, Winston is the hands down choice. Who the Bucs choose is beyond me, however I will be happy with either one.
February 27th, 2015 at 5:06 pm
Tampabaybucfan Said:
“Didn’t say I thought Tenn would trade up….”
Sorry if I implied that you said that. That was not my intention or my understanding of your post. No one, of course, knows if ANY team wants to move up/down. Even some of the teams will change their position, on this subject, between now and draft day.
“…just that is the only trade down I would take….”
Understood. We seem agree that we are not against a trade down, just the depth.
“…but there are two reasons for Tenn to trade up a spot..
I. If they specifically one of the QBs”
Fair enough, but, as you point out, unlikely. But you can never say ‘never’.
“2. If they are willing after the trade up, to trade with another team, Jets or Phil if Mariota is still there.”
This would become real tricky for a couple of reasons.
#1. Teams are given only ten minutes for each pick, therefore, Tenn would have to make the trade ‘pre’ draft, so that they would have time to entertain offers.
#2. They would have to get more compensation than they gave up to get the #1, in the first place, which leads us to…
#3. Any team wanting the #1 pick would deal with the Bucs directly. Tenn, picking at #2 would be offering the very least for the move.
I will still cheer for the Bucs regardless of what they do, but I can still have my ‘druthers’. :^)
February 27th, 2015 at 5:13 pm
Yea, because I’m sure they just accidentally gave Marcus Mariota a Heisman trophy. That doesn’t mean he is going to have success in the pros, but to think he is a mediocre QB is just asinine.
February 27th, 2015 at 5:19 pm
“and wilson couldn’t make the throw to win the superbowl”
Are you fcking kidding me? Not his fault his coach is a complete moron and didn’t run it. Secondly that was a damn fine play by Butler, not a poor throw by Russell Wilson. If you think Wilson is a bad QB you are an idiot, he is better than almost any QB the Bucs have ever had.
February 27th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
Damn I’m not even an FSU fan and defending Winston is exhausting, I’m too the point that any success he has people will say it’s because he’s a rapist. I think mariotta is more athletic with a higher ceiling just not pro ready which is what Tampa needs but since I’m not in the bucs office it’s easier to sit on the sidelines until draft day
February 27th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
@yungry
skyline brought up the eagles
February 27th, 2015 at 5:27 pm
i watched mariota play plenty. i have always thought it was the oregon system that won. mariota needs a specialized offense to win. he is mediocre without it. hell, i watched him get sacked a ton or pressured out of his scheme. all that “athleticism” and nowhere to go.
February 27th, 2015 at 5:28 pm
@Lurker
So did you at 4:05pm before I even commented. I think you were talking to Skyline around that time.
February 27th, 2015 at 5:32 pm
sorry you don’t like my opinions, so just keep calling names…lmao
silly, ol’ man.
you and others post made-up, silly comments all the time.
hmmmm, his coach put it in the qb’s hands and he blew it. the coach didn’t throw the ball. i want koetter and lovie to have confidence in the qb…that is winston. mariota probably would have been sacked or on the sidelines injured already.
February 27th, 2015 at 5:33 pm
@ yungry, that is what i meant.
skyline brought it up in the conversation and i responded to him. anyways…this stuff gets really silly and hard to follow with multiple threads, etc.
February 27th, 2015 at 5:44 pm
One seems to already made it to the top of the mountain. But loves the thrill of danger that he precariously tests the cliff’s edge, saying to himself, what can go wrong? And the other one still continuing his upward climb keeps going with resolve, one step at a time, upward, with Purpose, knowing he will make it to the apex. Immaturity versus Maturity
February 27th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
Explain to me how that is a made-up post? Who in the hell passes the ball on the 1-yard line with a RB like Marshawn Lynch? Again, did you even see the play with your own two eyes? The throw was not bad, the DB made an incredible play, and has been applauded for it probably a million times. Russell Wilson is a great QB. He can make any throw, has good communication with his recievers and running back, is a smart runner, and hell, he even blocks for his running back if he can (which some people praised Winston for doing).
You don’t have to check the numbers (which are great by the way), just watch him play. Oh yeah, and doesn’t he run a SPREAD OFFENSE? Hmmmm…
February 27th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
great vs good, but needs a specialized offense
y’all can like the second-best qb prospect, i’ll take winston #1 overall.
win, it’s in his name.
#winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby
February 27th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
@ Hawk
All good points…..we could get a real surprise with Mariota picked #1 then traded at some point, then a Winston pick or something else….again not likely.
Bucs could trade with Phil….then use some of the picks to trade back up to # 2, 3 or 4 to get Winston if they don’t think Tenn wants him….
I don’t think either QB will drop below 6 (Jets)
February 27th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
hmmmmmmm so the defense read him but he didn’t read the defense then. they also explained why it was a pass. an incomplete pass would have stopped the clock and saved the timeout, a stuffed run would not have. did you watch the game? with your own 2 eyes? silly stuff that.
hey props to seattle seahawks. 2 superbowl appearances with one win. i wanted the cheatin patriots to lose.
February 27th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
ps wilson accepted the blame
pps i think he is a great qb.
February 27th, 2015 at 6:18 pm
I apologize, I didn’t realize I was arguing with a child. It was 2nd and goal at the one. There was plenty of time to run a run play, and if it got stuffed they could’ve ran another play on the hurry up and if THAT didn’t work they could burn a timeout and go for it on 4th at the end of the game. The play was one of the worst calls in the last century. It was do or die, you don’t conserve timeouts.
And they were at the 1, the defense was bunched up, a QB doesn’t have time to go through all his progressions. He saw his man open on the slant route and thought he could fight for the pass. Butler saw it and bolted forward and made a great play. That’s it. Ever since drafting Wilson and naming him the starter over a big-name FA at the time, they’ve had 3 straight playoff berths, 2 straight Super Bowl appearances, and a Suoer Bowl win. You don’t get that with a mediocre QB.
Argue Winston v. Mariota all you want, but if you’re going to try and trash Mariota by using that play and a comparison to Wilson, you need to stop getting punch drunk on the Winston kool-aid. Mariota is not a bad QB, and Wilson is a proven GREAT QB.
February 27th, 2015 at 6:22 pm
“pps i think he is a great qb.”
Then what the hell was the point of bringing up the Super Bowl play? You think he couldn’t make the throw because he was a spread QB? And that Mariota couldn’t just because he falls under that same category???
February 27th, 2015 at 7:00 pm
While we can debate all day long which QB is better, I think given all the recent negative headlines in the NFL with regards to player’s character, abuse etc, I think Mariota is the only way to go. Look at the cloud hanging over Dallas right now with this allegation involving Bryant. Is it really worth the risk to take a chance on Winston who has a history of bad decisions?
I’ll be happy with either but I think Lovie picks Mariota – its the logical choice and the one I’d make.
February 27th, 2015 at 7:16 pm
see, that’s the problem, plank. you are arguing.
there are people that say silly things. so i said some silly things. it is just opinion.
and yes.
you jump into a convo already going on. i was stating silly things in retort to other people saying silly things. if you want to jump in to argue, go ahead. but i do not need to pay you any mind. you can get worked up if you want, but i am not.
y’all can like the second-best qb prospect in the draft, i will take winston #1.
win, it’s in his name
#winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby
just say no to marcus mediocre
February 27th, 2015 at 7:22 pm
Fair enough, lurker, if that is your opinion.
February 27th, 2015 at 7:32 pm
Sup fellers, missed me? The real question is who’s sponsoring manziel? Boom pow! I’m out!
February 27th, 2015 at 7:37 pm
Manziel’s sponser is Jack Daniels…
February 27th, 2015 at 9:20 pm
Bengals, Dolphins, Seahawks, Niners, Eagles, Panthers, Skins, Colts all run zone read plays, and I’m probably missing a couple. It’s becoming a trend to use it as a weapon. And Mariota has mastered it.
The Landry interview on 620 today was a good listen, Big Dog just stayed quiet and Landry talked about some good inside the interview room stuff. Of course he’s probably “an idiot” because he had nice things to say about Mariota.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:36 pm
great. so mariota has mastered 2-3 plays a game sweet.
winston has mastered the real offense, not trick plays.
you can like the second-best qb prospect in the draft, but i’ll take mr. winston #1 overall.
win, it’s in his name
@winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby
February 27th, 2015 at 11:37 pm
Q: Is Spread Offense the New “Pro-Style”?
A: There’s nothing “simplistic” about the Read/Option – it’s a highly sophisticated offense. Most NFL GM’s, HC’s, and OC’s have 30, 40, or 50 years invested in the Pro Set. They’re not ABOUT to change. As the new blood comes in to the NFL, the “Old Man Offense” playbooks will go where they belong… on a shelf in a museum… next to the leather helmets.
http://www.footballbyfootball.com/column/is-spread-offense-the-new-pro-style
February 27th, 2015 at 11:52 pm
“Cookie” Koetter will make it happen. Trust me. New Pro-Style….coming soon!!!!!
February 28th, 2015 at 1:05 am
so he says to take the best quarterback, which most experts agree is winston. keep trying pat. winston all day and all night.
dont need a gimmicky offense that just one guy says is the new way…lmao some plays does not make on offense. this has been tried before.
run and shoot with the houston oilers. some parts got absorbed.
michael vick was going to change the qb position with athleticism/speed. …a few plays. wildcat. some plays got absorbed. the spread offense will have some aspects absorbed. smh i gots history on my side.
you can still like the second-best qb prospect in the draft, i will take mr. winston #1.
February 28th, 2015 at 2:21 am
The Eagles and the Seahawks have run it verry successfully for two years now. And so you still wanna tell me it doesn’t work? C’mon man! Points are points no matter how you score them.
February 28th, 2015 at 2:29 am
Not sure gimmicky is a good word to use for spread offense…maybe call it clean-cut & simple?…
“Simple can be harder than complex. You have to work hard to get your thinking clean to make it simple. But it’s worth it in the end because once you get there, you can move mountains.” — Steve Jobs
Finally, the Glazers get their own Chip Kelly reincarnated right here. Once Koetter installs ‘simple’ here, it’s going to make you smile. 🙂
http://fishduck.com/2014/03/timing-rhythm-and-deception-the-oregon-passing-game-in-the-nfl/
February 28th, 2015 at 2:33 am
silly pat always scrounging the interwebs for quotes since you cannot think for yourself 🙁
February 28th, 2015 at 2:34 am
the oilers ran the run and shoot well too. look at your history fellas. come on now.
February 28th, 2015 at 2:56 am
Well, I remember playing Tecmo Bowl, and my favorite team was the Oilers with that Run & Shoot. But we’re NOT running the run & shoot. What’s your point?
The “Spread Offense” emerged in the US in the mid to late 80s with coaches trying to get the benefits of the Run & Shoot (spreading out defenses and dictating defensive personnel with a 4 receiver set) without having to rely as much on QBs, receivers, and running backs making the correct reads on every play. The Spread allows coaches to be more involved in each play rather than the Run & Shoot which helps protect teams from bad decision making.
February 28th, 2015 at 8:38 am
Still on the draft, but off topic, I was thinking FSU TE Nick O’Leary would make a good late round full/halfback. He can lead block, has great hands, and weighs in at just over what Alstott weighed.
He’s not a fast mover, but with training he might be able to score TDs or get first downs when we need a couple yards.
February 28th, 2015 at 8:39 am
Oh, and btw, isn’t it interesting that Mariota posts get more comments now than Winston posts?
Just an interesting thing.
February 28th, 2015 at 8:41 am
@Pat
For every ONE article in denial, I can show you two that say the spread is becoming established in the NFL.
Heck, there are several teams that are successfully running it already…teams that have gone to the Superbowl with it. That alone proves it.
February 28th, 2015 at 9:48 am
“If you don’t like Marcus Mariota, you don’t like human beings.”- Jon Gruden
We all know Gruden’s evals suck but this is an important quote. Mariota is the best human being in the draft and that is being overlooked too much considering how talented he is.
You can’t compare selfish idiots like Manziel or RG3 to Mariota. Mariota has the physical/mental skillset to adapt to different contexts. It’s not a “projection” to put your faith in this kid because his foundation will ensure success.
February 28th, 2015 at 9:58 am
Sorry for the confusion. Should have made a glossary here it is.
New Pro style = Simple = Shotgun = Spread offense
Old Pro style = 3 sec. Dropback = No time = Sacked
I think Cotter will install Simple.
February 28th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
The ‘old school’ experts cannot translate ‘new’ pro style. Just harping on the Old One.
February 28th, 2015 at 12:37 pm
silly pat
you can’t think for yourself, you need big pictures…lmao
i pointed out ways that were supposed to change the nfl offense. they didn’t. some aspects just became a part of the regular offense.
February 28th, 2015 at 2:01 pm
Don’t worry, you will see the ‘Out with the OLD an in with the NEW, very shortly. Do you know there’s a Billy Joel concert tonite? I might go to it:
What’s the matter with the car I’m driving?
“Can’t you tell that it’s out of style?”
Should I get a set of white wall tires?
“Are you gonna cruise the miracle mile?
Nowadays you can’t be too sentimental
Your best bet’s a true baby blue Continental.”
Hot funk, cool punk, even if it’s old junk
It’s still rock and roll to me
February 28th, 2015 at 2:25 pm
The spread is more like the WCO…although there are couple of variations of that – you can run it with a power-man line (as Gruden did with Brad Johnson), or you can run it with a zone blocking scheme and a mobile QB (as Gruden did with Rich Gannon and Jeff Garcia). One isn’t better than the other, just takes different talent, specifically the type of o-line is a big contributor…
Same with the spread…except, some of those systems are only running behind a ZBS…not much training on basic technique, etc.
Seattle, San Fran, Carolina, and Philly do more than “run read-option plays a few plays a game” the base offense is built around them. Then “pro-style” (WCO/play-action) and running plays (featuring a one-cut RB) are added that can be adapted to the zone blocking scheme. That’s phase one…and Kid Fameis CAN’T run those – they’d take his head off…because he’s as “fast” as Napoleon Dynamite and his long wind up makes him a David Garrard/Byron Leftwhich clone…I wonder if Koetter is drooling over the chance to get his hands on another tandem like David Garrard and Byron Leftwhich…like he had when he coached Jacksonville’s offense to mediocrity.
Also looks like another month of trying to figure out if our Bucs go with Mariota and something NEW…? …or will they draft Kid Faemis and go “back, to the future”?l it be
February 28th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
Mariotta proved at the combine he has the foot work to drop back in 3, 5, and 7 step drops. He made all the throws. He also happens to be a guy who is first in and last out. He is a workout warrior. And is a true leader of men. He has the total package. Shameis on the other hand has half of it. Too bad in todays sports, what you do off the field is almost as important to what you do on the field. Mariotta or Williams. Shameis will disgrace Tampa just like he did to FSU. Just wait til our title from last season is taken away in a few years all because of that trash.
March 2nd, 2015 at 7:35 pm
marcus mariota, perhaps the highest-character, hardest working QB prospect since Tim Tebow.