Mike Mayock: Mariota “A Projection”
February 10th, 2015
Since the acid reflux-inducing 2014 season ended, Joe has been able to talk to several scouts and a few NFL front office types. Of course, Joe asked the question, in a roundabout way, the only question that matters to Bucs fans.
(No, not Rachel Watson or Tricia Cusmano.)
That would be Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota? The voices were consistent. The two quarterbacks are opposites. NFL folks love Winston’s talent and Mariota’s boy scout personality and have red flags about Winston’s personality and Mariota’s talent.
Since the NFL Scouting Combine is next week (already), Mike Mayock is getting warmed up. The NFL Network analyst Joe believes is the best at scouting college talent recently weighed in on the Winston-Mariota debate. He slapped Mariota with a label dreaded by any football fan. Mayock believes Mariota is a project, types Mike Huguenin of NFL.com.
Mayock said the type of offense Mariota ran at Oregon makes him “a projection” for every team except the Philadelphia Eagles. Mariota was recruited to Oregon by Chip Kelly, who now, of course, is the Eagles’ coach.
“From a physical trait perspective, he has everything you want,” Mayock said of Mariota. “He’s big, he’s athletic, he’s got great feet and he’s got a live arm. So on the surface, the individual components all work. The problem is he’s a projection coming to the next level because of the pocket awareness, the progressions and the reads.”
The reason why Mayock and other NFL folks aren’t believers (yet) in Mariota? Film. They haven’t seen Mariota run a pro style-offense. They haven’t seen Mariota throws guys open. They haven’t seen Mariota thread needles enough, getting passes through tight coverage.
So, given the fact Mariota won’t throw at the combine, general managers have to make a leap of faith that Mariota can convert from a spread guy to a pro style NFL offense, if he doesn’t throw in private workouts. Doesn’t mean Mariota cannot, the evidence just isn’t there that he can.
That’s a helluva gamble.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:10 pm
almost as big of a risk as drafting an alleged rapist..
February 10th, 2015 at 3:10 pm
When Winston heats up…..he’s like a surgeon.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:12 pm
I am not a 100% Winston Backer…but
So to all the Winston “haters”,
Do you take Winston if Mariota is not in the Picture?
Talent alone that is,
Do you think he is the Better “Pro QB”?
This is the best description of Mariota yet,
He is a “Project” to be developed in the NFL.
Talent alone,
Winston is the Choice.
BUT…
February 10th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
Where are even the rumors of any team wanting to trade up for the “annointed” Bucs pick…..the can’t miss….sure fire…..NFL ready….Pro style….”just a bit immature” but no problem with future character WINSTON?
Where are they?….send me the links!!!
February 10th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
Joe if you run into Jameis tell him about your site and Jameis Watch for us.
Please.
See if he can drop in for a chat or two before the draft.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:14 pm
Um, did Mayock forget that Jameis said a bad word that one time or something? Jameis is undraftable, period end of story.
If I want to hear naughty words I’ll go to a New Sync On The Block concert, thank you very much
February 10th, 2015 at 3:14 pm
No brad.. Not really. Drafting to Play football not shake your hand.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:14 pm
TBBF..is fired up now.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:16 pm
So, given the fact that Jameis is now on choir boy routine, much like JFF last season, general managers have to make a leap of faith that he can convert his tainted image of questionable character to a professional NFL QB. Doesn’t mean Jamesis cannot, the evidence just isn’t there that he can.
That’s a helluva gamble.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:17 pm
Any rumor of the Bucs taking Mariota would be a sheer smokescreen.
Seeing how MOST people(analysts and the like) think the Bucs are going with Winston.
No one is going to believe that come draft time.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:19 pm
The Bucs want Mariota…if you hear them words…wait to smell the smoke.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:23 pm
Tennessee must be getting all of the calls….since it’s a sure thing that we are drafting Winston…..as a matter of fact….it’s such a sure thing nobody will call us because it would be a waste of their time.
@87….Where is that link on the team wanting to move up for Winston?….I know if there is anyone who can send it….it’s you……
February 10th, 2015 at 3:23 pm
“What does Mike Mayock know?! It’s not like he watches fi.. oh, wait..”
Mariota fans, you can voice your displeasure. Just make sure it’s directed at Mark Helfrich.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:25 pm
I have little advice for Mayock…because he is the expert…..but, here goes….
Every rookie QB or any other player for that matter is a “projection” moving from NCAA to the NFL There are many “sure bets” that weren’t so sure.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:26 pm
http://www.hngn.com/articles/61318/20150117/nfl-rumors-jets-going-after-jameis-winston.htm
February 10th, 2015 at 3:28 pm
Smokescreen…with the #1 pick? So you’re telling me that you’re so sure the bucs are taking Winston yet there’s a smokescreen. The only reason for a smokescreen with #1 would be to trade the pick. Better make up your mind.
“analysts and the like” you mean the same people spreading those smokescreen rumors?
man people can twist it around here.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:30 pm
While the haters hate, Jameis is having fun, and soon to be a rich man.
http://www.yardbarker.com/college_football/articles/photos_jameis_winston_went_flying_a_jetpack_in_san_diego_over_the_weekend/18244586?linksrc=story_home_module_image_18244586
Go Jaboo.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:31 pm
Yes Posey…I’m THAT sure Winston is going to be taken by the Bucs.
Is that too twisty for you?
February 10th, 2015 at 3:34 pm
If the Bucs take Mariota I buy you a Mariota jersey.
If the Bucs take Winston you buy me a Winsotn jersey/
If they trade down or take someone else then we both lose, and the whole fan base loses.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:34 pm
LOL @ Winston haters. They have one quote. Blah blah blah, alleged rapist, blah blah blah. I’ll take Big Ben right now any day of the week b/c alleged doesn’t mean crap. Come up with a new argument already.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:35 pm
Everything is a smoke screen with lovie. Even with the #1 pick, he’ll make us wait until its time to announce our pick to find out who it is. This was one of the first things we find out about him. Very secretive
February 10th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
Why didn’t you post what he said about Jameis???? Why only write half an article and leave out the half he said about him being scared to death of Jameis’s off the field behavior?? Your one sidedness is disgusting to me. That’s why I go to BUCSNATION.COM more than I come here, at least there articles are fair.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:38 pm
@Nick
Thanks….but this rumor is mighty thin:
But if the Tampa Bay Buccaneers decide to go with Oregon’s Marcus Mariota at No. 1 overall, the Jets could have a shot at Winston. At No. 6, New York is in a prime spot to trade up with the Tennessee Titans, who may be looking to add more draft capital, and draft Winston at No. 2.
Not really saying Jets want to trade with Bucs for Winston….will take their chance on trading with Tenn or Winston dropping to 6,
February 10th, 2015 at 3:39 pm
The only “gamble” would be drafting a thug that will be in rehab/jail in less than a year.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:40 pm
If you’re not interested in trading there’s no reason for a smokescreen at #1, correct?
February 10th, 2015 at 3:41 pm
SuperSam….I’m breaking out the violin for you….
Tears on my pillow…pain in my heart.
Jameis Winston is going to be a Tampa Bay Buccaneer!
February 10th, 2015 at 3:41 pm
Every draft pick is a gamble. But usually the Buc’s pick is a safe bet to go down the crapper.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:41 pm
You know, that is a helluva point. Helfrich should have designed some NFL-like schemes to run on the Cals and Washington States they play to help Mariota showcase some skills for scouts.
Reminds Joe of how Urban Meyer ruined John Brantley who was a drop-back quarterback in high school (Brantley, to be fair, should have gone to a school like USC that would have done a better job developing his skillset).
February 10th, 2015 at 3:41 pm
As for Winston, Mayock said, “I really like everything I see about him on the field. … But off the field, I’m scared to death of him.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:42 pm
Posey…yup. Correct but they will still throw the Mariota rumor out there, seeing how Philly wants Mariota so bad.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:42 pm
Mariota is the prototypical future NFL QB….Jameis is ready for the NFL of today,but with be soon left behind
February 10th, 2015 at 3:43 pm
” But off the field, I’m scared to death of him,” Mayock said of Jameis Winston.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:44 pm
My mock goes like this so far.
1. Bucs – Winston
2. Titans – Mariota
3. Jags – Williams
February 10th, 2015 at 3:44 pm
But off the field, I’m scared to death of him,” Mayock said of Jameis Winston.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:45 pm
I rest my case
February 10th, 2015 at 3:45 pm
Marcus Mariota will be in the hot tub with Cam, Vick, and RGII.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:48 pm
Mariota fans, you can voice your displeasure. Just make sure it’s directed at Mark Helfrich.
What displeasure??? That he won the Heisman…..had a unbelievable college career…is in line to be a top draft pick?
How about lets throw Chip Kelly in there with Helfrich….he recruited Mariota….maybe lets blame his parents for their influence…..
Agan what displeasure are you talking about???
February 10th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
This post is absurd. If he had the arm strength and can throw accurately enough then that is enough. All this crap about learning progressions, dropping back yadda yadda. If the guy is an athlete and has a brain it’s more than doable.
Just because we’ve all come across so many damn dumb football players doesn’t mean they all are. It’s football not rocket science. Mariota can EASILY learn ALL of this stuff. What he can’t learn is arm strength. If he has the physical tools he will clearly be OK. That’s not so clear with Jameis the dunderhead. He’s been making mistakes for a long time and not just one..or two..or three..or four…
It’s a pattern.
I get that many of you Jameis lovers wish to look the other way. And if he can pull it off in the NFL more power to him. There are lots of freaking self centered egotistical athletes who are huge successes in the NFL. No reason Jameis can’t be added to that list.
This is just one reason why I prefer HOCKEY. The athletes are not all self absorbed egotistical jerks. In fact that is very rare in the NHL.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:53 pm
And Winston will be in a cell with Hardy and Rice. But don’t worry 87, I’m sure you can get conjugal visits
February 10th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
Your displeasure that the consensus is leaning towards Winston and not Mariota based in large part that Mariota’s game film is incredibly hard to translate to the next level.
If Mayock is concerned, you should be concerned.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:56 pm
TBBF…
The displeasure of Mariota not being ready for the NFL because he’s the product of Oregon’s offense. This is why he’s being labeled a project by more than a few whether you choose to believe it or not. If you stay up past midnight on the east coast you can catch Mariota playing. I did.
Then you can come back and say Winston’s a project too…but only one or 2 are saying that.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:56 pm
Mayock’s job is to evaluate on field Talent correct? Does he do any research into the evaluatees personal background? Because if not then he probably is scared to death of Winston because he’s heard the repeated spread of rumors and misinformation that is spewed as facts such as the ones that are spread here daily.
February 10th, 2015 at 3:56 pm
@StPeteBucsFan
“All this crap about learning progressions, dropping back yadda yadda. ”
So lets maybe step away from the quarterback conversation for a little bit..
Yikes.
February 10th, 2015 at 4:05 pm
and what happens when the teams call our bluff, knowing neither of these guys are worth the 1st pick.
no trading partner with a good enough offer.
well, we know 87’s head will explode, but what will the front office do?
cause God knows licht has proven incompetent at negotiating and they know lovie does not have time to groom a QB, or hopefully the morals to draft a winston.
it could happen
February 10th, 2015 at 4:07 pm
@ 87
I won’t be displeased until I hear the Bucs have moved on from Mariota due to his “non NFL readiness”…..
The displeasure I’m most concerned about is your’s when we draft Mariota….or trade down!!!
February 10th, 2015 at 4:11 pm
@87
When #TheCreepyCrab warns up, he won’t take No for an answer. #MoanMeansYes #ItsNotRapeItsSurpriseSex
February 10th, 2015 at 4:12 pm
87….what are Mariota’s “injury” hot tube issues ?….none I am aware of…certainly not a sprained shoulder…..that would be like saying Winston has injury issues do to his sprained ankle…SMH
February 10th, 2015 at 4:23 pm
@ JoeJoe’s
Yep, remember when that ankle was suppose to be the excuse for all of those interceptions?
February 10th, 2015 at 4:27 pm
Actually, every rookie QB is a project. Mariota just has so much talent though.
Also, I remember when Mayock said that Ryan Mallett would be the next Tom Brady, lol
February 10th, 2015 at 4:44 pm
St Pete –
I think you are not putting enough value into what it means for a QB to be able to go through progressions and quickly and accurately throw WRs open.
The best QBs in the NFL all have that trait moreso than arm strength or mobility. The best QBs are very accurate in tight windows and can read defenses and process that information quickly.
Peyton Manning has a weak arm and no mobility but he is one of the best QBs to ever play the game; because of his in game IQ and feel for reading defenses.
These aren’t things that Qbs can be taught. You either have that feel for the game or you don’t. You either have the eyes & mind to go through progressions quickly and see the entire feild and make calculated decisions or you don’t. You can’t teach someone to process that kind of information in the game in the second or less they are required to make decisions in. They may know pre-snap what they are supposed to do; but actually doing it is another thing; no matter how much they study or work.
It’s possible Mariota has it to some degree but we just don’t know because what he was doing is nothing like what he will do in the NFL outside of hiking and throwing the ball. Most all his decisions were made pre-snap and based off of a 1 read system. His mind / approach to the game will have to be completely re-tooled if he’s going to run a typical NFL offense
February 10th, 2015 at 4:47 pm
SuperSam Barry, Bonzi and Mr. Patrick — I would like to purchase each of you lap dances and being that I am now a sensitive political correct gentlemen you can even pick a transgender for your lap dance…. you people are living in world all to yourselves. It’s not a perfect world.
Jameis raped no one.
Like i’ve said many times before go follow a church league softball team if you want all choir boys.
an organization in today’s world needs to learn how to manage all types of employees / athletes from choir boys to dumb arses. Look how the Cowboys have handled Dez Bryant in contrast to Cleveland handling of Gordon.
If a coach can only coach or manage choir boys then the NFL is not a place for him. All you who think drafting Winston or signing hardy would drive away fans your crazy. that stadium would be packed every Sunday if Winston was throwing touchdowns and Hardy was going all Sapp on QB’s… People have short attention spans. win’s fix everything ask ray lewis.
wow you people are ridiculous with your perfect world BS… Especial you fools trying to defend a proven guilty Hardy versus a setup and never charged Winston in previous posts. please keep your agendas consistent. you will have more credibility.
February 10th, 2015 at 4:48 pm
I have been anti QB in this draft but I must admit Im starting to warm up to Mariota
February 10th, 2015 at 4:50 pm
Joe if you run into Jameis tell him about your site and Jameis Watch for us.
Please.
See if he can drop in for a chat or two before the draft.
……………………………………………………………………….
Dude, you are getting pathetic.
February 10th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
http://touch.orlandosentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-82760736/
Here’s a very smart man
February 10th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
In the same podcast, former Philadelphia Eagles front office executive Louis Riddick didn’t agree with Todd McShay, and even claimed that he showed a lot of pro-style attributes in his final game.
“If you watch the Ohio State game and you just watch the route tree they used in that game and you watched him execute it, it didn’t look quite the same as a lot of the routes that they were running and a lot of the schemes and the way they were trying to attack people during the regular season. It looked much more pro-oriented in that game.
“And I thought he was dynamite. As far as his mechanics, as far as where his eyes were taking him, as far as how he was delivering the ball on time, in stride, into places. Yes he hit some wide-open people, everyone hits wide-open people, people hit wide-open people in the NFL too, it’s not like everyone has someone blanketed on them at all times.
“I’m really warming up to Marcus [Mariota]’s prospects of being able to be someone who just doesn’t need the zone-read component, but someone who can actually succeed on third down, which is where as we all know people make their money. [..] Let’s put it this way: when Robert Griffin was coming out compared to Marcus [Mariota] and what I’ve seen of him, I think Marcus [Mariota] has much better prospects of being able to succeed on third down than Robert [Griffin III] ever did
February 10th, 2015 at 5:04 pm
BOOM.
February 10th, 2015 at 5:10 pm
Did you just “boom” yourself?
February 10th, 2015 at 5:15 pm
@tmaxcon
I’m a Mariota supporter and I actually agree with everything you just posted.
I think it is fruitless to argue the rape allegations on JBF….I think you do have to walk a fine line and deal with all types of players….I believe in second chances….I don’t subscribe to drafting all choirboys….I would allow swearing on the field.
I will be very happy if Winston is our QB….that will mean he stood up to a vigorous test….especially from Lovie & the Glazers….he will have passed what might be the most scrutinized background check for any NFL player. It will mean that his skills far outweigh the risk.
I also will be happy if the pick is Mariota….it will mean that he also has passed the necessary scrutiny…mostly with his on field skills.
I will be very…very unhappy if we trade the pick…..this is our chance…we must take a shot at one of these QBs….It may be a long time before we have this opportunity again.
February 10th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
Mariota at #1..Let’s go Bucs.
February 10th, 2015 at 5:31 pm
Mariota – Winston – DE – trade down. All of them are good choices, but this is NOT a valid discriminator:
“Um, did Mayock forget that Jameis said a bad word that one time or something? Jameis is undraftable, period end of story.
If I want to hear naughty words I’ll go to a New Sync On The Block concert, thank you very much.”
February 10th, 2015 at 5:36 pm
@StPete – sorry but your post above shows your lack of knowledge of football. “All this crap about learning progressions, dropping back yada yada yada!….all this stuff is easily learnable.” Do you understand that the majority of QBs drafted fail because that can’t excel in these areas. Almost every QB drafted in the NFL has the physical tools. It is precisely in these areas where the majority fail. Even something as simple as dropping back has to be very precise. If it’s not the timing for the receivers is off and the entire play breaks down. It is not nearly as simple and easy as it may sound. I don’t think I really have to explain the fact that going through progressions is critical and surely even you understand that is not easily mastered. Nobody is simply bashing Mariota when they say he is a project. That is what he is and no GM, coach, or owner knows at this point if he can make the transition. There is no way in hell Mariota will be taken with the first overall pick!
February 10th, 2015 at 5:38 pm
Winston all day. If Lovie wants a project then let him give Washington a 6th rd pick for that spread option qb with the live arm that they have and let him work with him for a few years while he learns how to anticipate routes and throw WR’s open in an nfl system but in the meantime draft Winston to do these things now while he learns to do them. Easy choice you draft the guy that can play you don’t draft a guy because he’s nice and you hope that he can play.
February 10th, 2015 at 5:41 pm
Jim Mora disagrees with Mayock…
“In my opinion he’s the best quarterback and the best player,” Mora said. “That’s my opinion based upon what I’ve seen, which is a lot of film of him. Anytime you start to go in depth in evaluating these players, you’re going to find holes. There is nobody that doesn’t have a weakness, a deficiency. But Marcus Mariota has such great character, he’s big, he’s fast, he’s strong, he can throw it. To me, he’s a sure thing.”
February 10th, 2015 at 5:43 pm
It’s the same ten people on here beating the drum for the hunting ground AKA JABOO THE RAPIST. We get it you don’t care if he rapes women. It bothers most people. yet to here one woman BUCS fan want this trash bag. I think that 80% of JABOO the rapist fans are FSU fan I get it you won a national title with an accused rapist. Most people would never want anything to do with an accused rapist even if he won 10 championships.
February 10th, 2015 at 5:48 pm
@Nybucsfan
That’s a lot of defamation in one post.
Joe:
Can you run the poll again?
February 10th, 2015 at 5:52 pm
@bucfan4life
“There is no way in hell Mariota will be taken with the first overall pick!”
Never say never…
I agree that progressions etc are vital…..but Jim Mora disagrees with Mayock…and you…and there are many others that believe strongly that Mariota has the skills.
“In my opinion he’s the best quarterback and the best player,” Mora said. “That’s my opinion based upon what I’ve seen, which is a lot of film of him. Anytime you start to go in depth in evaluating these players, you’re going to find holes. There is nobody that doesn’t have a weakness, a deficiency. But Marcus Mariota has such great character, he’s big, he’s fast, he’s strong, he can throw it. To me, he’s a sure thing.”
February 10th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
@87….hope you have your Dog Ears on 🙂
February 10th, 2015 at 5:58 pm
Joe “the ONLY question that matters to Bucs fans.”
You make it sound like drafting a QB solves the BUCS problems.
As a fan I have more.
February 10th, 2015 at 6:08 pm
Nybucsfan Says:
February 10th, 2015 at 5:43 pm
It’s the same ten people on here beating the drum for the hunting ground AKA JABOO THE RAPIST. We get it you don’t care if he rapes women. It bothers most people. yet to here one woman BUCS fan want this trash bag. I think that 80% of JABOO the rapist fans are FSU fan I get it you won a national title with an accused rapist. Most people would never want anything to do with an accused rapist even if he won 10 championships.
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You seem pretty confident that he’s a rapist, I’m interested to know what evidence you have that the court system didn’t have?
February 10th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
Mayock’s comments about both players tells me neither one is worth spending a #1 overall pick on. Overdrafting a player for need, especially a QB taken first overall, has trouble written all over it. At least the investment isn’t as big with the rookie wage scale. One prospect essentially has no game tape to go off of and the other is a complete wildcard off the field. Not such a great year to have the first pick.
February 10th, 2015 at 6:17 pm
“They haven’t seen Mariota run a pro style-offense.” – Joe
Just curious…how many snaps from under center, other than spikes and kneels, were there in the Superbowl?
Uh huh. I thought so.
February 10th, 2015 at 6:20 pm
I am a Mariota supporter but I think it is non-productive to continue to pound the rape allegation. There will be no more evidence presented than there already has and there wasn’t enough to produce a charge….we will likely go to our great beyond without knowing the truth.
For me, there are enough incidents that cause me to question Winston’s maturity at the very least….but I will leave it to the decision makers to discern that. I will also leave it to them to determine if Mariota is worthy regardless of his NFL readiness or not.
The rape allegations are simply that….ugly, disturbing, mystifying, puzzling…..but simply allegations. Please…..leave them be.
February 10th, 2015 at 6:20 pm
87ForJameisNOMariota Says
“When Winston heats up…..he’s like a surgeon.”
The problem is it takes three quarters for him to “heat up.”
February 10th, 2015 at 6:23 pm
Mariota can stand in the pocket, go through progressions, and read defenses. Draft Mariota and get on with having a successful franchise. Let’s start talking second round. DE or G?
February 10th, 2015 at 6:26 pm
@ Bonzai
87 mispelled “sturgeon”
February 10th, 2015 at 6:26 pm
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
February 10th, 2015 at 6:17 pm
“They haven’t seen Mariota run a pro style-offense.” – Joe
Just curious…how many snaps from under center, other than spikes and kneels, were there in the Superbowl?
Uh huh. I thought so.
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Lol Russell Wilson should’ve been taking a snap from under center instead of sitting in shotgun formation on the 1 line on that last play.
February 10th, 2015 at 6:28 pm
“Waterboy Says:
February 10th, 2015 at 6:08 pm
You seem pretty confident that he’s a rapist, I’m interested to know what evidence you have that the court system didn’t have?”
Evidence?
I’m surprised that knuckle dragging mouth breather, NYbucsfan, is able to even type out posts on here. He cares nothing about the truth. AND I CAN’T WAIT TO RUB IT IN HIS FACE ON DRAFT DAY.
Jameis to Tampa.
February 10th, 2015 at 6:35 pm
@ Skyline Crew
BRAVO!!! Couldn’t have said it better myself.
In the 2nd round, I am looking for a difference maker on defense, either a DE or MLB. Can get good offensive linemen after the 3rd round
#MariotaorBUST
February 10th, 2015 at 6:37 pm
87 will Qualify!!!
The Baker Act in Florida allows for involuntary examination (what some call emergency or involuntary commitment). It can be initiated by judges, law enforcement officials, physicians, Joe Buc Fan Posters or mental health professionals. There must be evidence that the person:
• possibly has a mental illness (as defined in the Baker Act).
• is a harm to self, harm to others, or self neglectful (defined in the Baker Act).
• Displays extreme disappointment after a Buc draft pick doesn’t go their way
February 10th, 2015 at 6:39 pm
LOL………..
February 10th, 2015 at 6:40 pm
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
February 10th, 2015 at 6:20 pm
87ForJameisNOMariota Says
“When Winston heats up…..he’s like a surgeon.”
“The problem is it takes three quarters for him to “heat up.”
FSU as a whole team was starting out slow THIS past season. Prior to that Winston and the Noles blew everyone out by halftime.
February 10th, 2015 at 6:45 pm
Lets investigate something more serious………”boxers or briefs”
February 10th, 2015 at 6:45 pm
Tight windows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKZ9KOwPx3
February 10th, 2015 at 6:46 pm
I surrender.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKZ9KOwPx3k
February 10th, 2015 at 6:56 pm
In fact, Mora said he would take Mariota with the No. 1 overall pick if he were in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers’ position.
“In my opinion he’s the best quarterback and the best player,” Mora said. “That’s my opinion based upon what I’ve seen, which is a lot of film of him. Anytime you start to go in depth in evaluating these players, you’re going to find holes. There is nobody that doesn’t have a weakness, a deficiency. But Marcus Mariota has such great character, he’s big, he’s fast, he’s strong, he can throw it. To me, he’s a sure thing.”
A man that knows more than Mayock.
February 10th, 2015 at 6:58 pm
Mora has been at UCLA since 2011…..front, center & rear view of Mariota….the man should know his competition……
February 10th, 2015 at 7:01 pm
I hope the Bucs trade down!!! We need so much more than a QB!!! You guys are acting like the one you’re pulling for is a future HOF’er. If you’re not aware, L&L will be in win now mode and guess what, neither of these two are going to be the answer for the win now formula. Trade down, stock pile picks, draft OL and DL. Glennon is not the answer either.
February 10th, 2015 at 7:04 pm
I agree I want defense in second, but would want oline in third then. We need an anchor on the line not just a turn table.
February 10th, 2015 at 7:09 pm
MLB in 2nd……Perryman!!!
February 10th, 2015 at 7:13 pm
Take Mariota all day baby and don’t look back.
MARIOTA FOR THE WIN!!!
February 10th, 2015 at 7:14 pm
Perryman has been shown going in the first is mos mocks. He may not be there. Would love to have him though.
February 10th, 2015 at 7:15 pm
A trade down with Cleveland would gets us Perryman and a WHOLE lot MORE
February 10th, 2015 at 7:19 pm
Trade up into first with extra Glennon pick….
February 10th, 2015 at 7:21 pm
THAT was Classic TBBF
February 10th, 2015 at 7:23 pm
Marcus Mariota is not only the best QB in the draft, he is the best player in the draft. Just ask Mora who has seen a lot of him and been beaten badly by him. Mariota will be a Superstar in the NFL and Hero in Tampa
February 10th, 2015 at 7:24 pm
Perryman is said to most resemble London Fletcher. I like that.
February 10th, 2015 at 7:36 pm
We need 6 new starters…..3 on offense, 3 on defense, 3 from the draft & 3 from FA
Draft QB,MLB, (Oline, DE,S, CB)
FA Oline & two from above (Oline S DE or CB)
New Starters….QB, T, G, DE, MLB, S or CB
We can do this!!!
February 10th, 2015 at 8:34 pm
SuperBuc Says:
February 10th, 2015 at 7:23 pm
Marcus Mariota is not only the best QB in the draft, he is the best player in the draft. Just ask Mora who has seen a lot of him and been beaten badly by him. Mariota will be a Superstar in the NFL and Hero in Tampa
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Lol if Mora has such an eye for talent ask him why he’s no longer coaching in the NFL. I actually agree with Mora that Mariota is a very good college athlete and I’d take him all day if I was a college coach and looking for a QB.
February 10th, 2015 at 8:48 pm
I am related to key people in organization there taking mariota told me so no need to take a guy that could be prison bound soon
February 10th, 2015 at 8:48 pm
Stpetebucsfan
Hahahahahahahahahahaha lol. You know what you get when you have an athlete playing QB that has bad foot wirk and cant move through his progressions?
Josh McCown. Lol Hahahahahaha
February 10th, 2015 at 8:50 pm
would we be having this conversation if someone worked all year long with Glennon. I think Not.
February 10th, 2015 at 8:55 pm
If the Browns offered up Joe Thomas and a 1 st round pick does anyone think the Bucs should make the trade?
February 10th, 2015 at 9:23 pm
ya joe and tell Winston 87 wants to go on a date.
February 10th, 2015 at 9:27 pm
I am very tentative to voice my opinion…. but it seems after a couple of years of reading JBF, I decided what the heck…. anyway…. I have followed the great campaign of Joe’s about the QBs with much interest. I agree that the Bucs absolutely MUST draft one of the two. Ordinarily, I side with Joe’s opinion – he has many more resources and he wears his “Bucs Heart” on his sleeve – which I respect. However, after reading this post and an article about UCLA coach – Jim Mora – I have decided to pitch my tent in the Mariota camp. I know that Joe just wants to generate interest and talk on the subject. And while I do respect Mike Mayock, I have to listen really hard to Mora (who I also respect). I think too much is being made of Mariota’s lack of experience in a “Pro-Style” offense.
#!: the kid had no choice in what kind of offense he operated
#2: He has a great, quick release (very important to me) – the best I’ve seen since Marino.
#3: his stats (TDs vs INTs) are off the chart
#4: his athleticism and “measurables” (physical stats) are perfect (I am sure he will gain some weight as he ages – I know I did !)
#5: while I do really like Jameis also, there is something about him makes me nervous about drafting him – and not limited to any maturity issues
Thanks, Joe, for all the work you do to bring us all Bucs info and issues and also for letting me get my thoughts organized and off of my chest.
February 10th, 2015 at 9:43 pm
he said she said! lovie is not taking either QB if so he does not want trouble making trash mouth. bozo#5
February 10th, 2015 at 9:47 pm
87 is an idiot.
I guarantee Mariota will be our #1 draft pick.
I’ll bet anything on it.
February 10th, 2015 at 9:47 pm
why risk it go with winston
February 10th, 2015 at 9:48 pm
wow I can tell 87 if your boy stinks in a game you will put blame everywhere else but your butt buddy! wow!!!!
February 10th, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Has Mariota ever heard the term ‘eight men in the box?’ Could you imagine the Bucs asking Mariota to run play action against an eight man box with his backed turned? Dude would turn around and just see colors flashing… He has no clue…. Boom!
February 10th, 2015 at 9:55 pm
jsmalls i agree. at least winston has done drops and done real playaction. mariota wont be about to just throw to his first option out of the gun, check down or run like he did in college. mariota is fast but every nfl defense is so much faster and more physica than college. a
February 10th, 2015 at 9:58 pm
Man. Both sides are really digging in.
February 10th, 2015 at 9:59 pm
Erik…Jersey’s then?
February 10th, 2015 at 10:00 pm
in all essence take either just get a qb with that pick give the fans something
February 10th, 2015 at 10:01 pm
Tight Windows!
February 10th, 2015 at 10:06 pm
@87
Is that the Winston jersey that comes with the stripes on it?
February 10th, 2015 at 10:08 pm
@ Sam
Very well said
February 10th, 2015 at 10:12 pm
@ ERIK I agree. I understand why 87 likes him he attended FSU. and that’s his god given right! but! wow!! weird! for sure. also him and these other bozo#5 lovers call us haters. why cuz we don’t agree with you. that’s our god given right!
February 10th, 2015 at 10:43 pm
mikeh..you understand nothing.
February 10th, 2015 at 10:51 pm
87, I will buy u a $140 Winston jersey if we pick him, if u’ll agree to buy me a Mariota jersey if he’s the pick…. Sorry for calling u an idiot. I honestly just get frustrated with the Winston propaganda…. My personal contact info it’s on my website, so u know I’m not bluffin.
February 10th, 2015 at 10:54 pm
I love how some of you guys take what Jim Mora had to say as important. What did he ever do well in the NFL other than ride his daddy’s coattails? The guy was a buffoon in the NFL and look how great he trained up Huntley who has all the talent but had no coaching so he sucks. Could all of you Marita lovers not see the panic in his eyes when he realized Ohio state took away the running game and he knew it was on him. From thst point on that game was over. HE IS NOT A LEADER AND CANNOT CARRY A TEAM. HE IS GOING TO BE AVERAGE AT BEST, PERIOD! !!!!!
February 10th, 2015 at 11:01 pm
I swear why do you people even watch the games if you don’t care of we even win our not? Drafting Marita would be like not having a fussy round pick at all, as he might turn out to be ok but damn I am sick of ok I want have a great player not a ok player. Hell Jameis might do something stupid but at least I don’t have to hope he can play as I know he can play. Plus Mariota was going 80 on a 45 mph zone is that not dangerous? I got kids man I don’t want some loose cannon driving around my city line that.
February 10th, 2015 at 11:13 pm
Mariota didn’t even have to read a single defense in college. The ball is snapped between 10 and 12 to 15 seconds after the play is blown dead (not 12 seconds off the play clock). How much scanning of the field can you possibly do in that amount of time?? So you’ll think he’s going to pick that up on the fly in the NFL where the speed of the game is twice as fast?? That’s what people mean by “Blame Helfrich”
February 10th, 2015 at 11:32 pm
Apparently a lot of people that claim that Mariota can’t do this and can’t do this have never really watched him play.
He reads defenses and coverages very well, he does throw into tight windows and throws recievers open, he looks off safeties, goes through his progressions very quickly, has great footwork and pocket presence, and audibles continually, all very well.
You can either listen to all of the so caller experts that just get paid to talk and just repeat what each other say, or you can watch replays of Oregon games and see for yourself
February 10th, 2015 at 11:50 pm
And something else that Mariota did very, very well was BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF FSU AND WINSTON
February 10th, 2015 at 11:55 pm
This doesn’t make Fameis LESS sketch-y, and it doesn’t make Marritoa MORE of a liability.
Neither of them are NFL ready – Marriota has less of a “coach-killa” factor.
Still Mariotta by a landslide.
February 11th, 2015 at 12:03 am
@Mr. Patrick….
Thank you.
February 11th, 2015 at 12:48 am
ndog Says:
February 10th, 2015 at 10:54 pm
I love how some of you guys take what Jim Mora had to say as important. What did he ever do well in the NFL other than ride his daddy’s coattails? The guy was a buffoon in the NFL and look how great he trained up Huntley who has all the talent but had no coaching so he sucks. Could all of you Marita lovers not see the panic in his eyes when he realized Ohio state took away the running game and he knew it was on him. From thst point on that game was over. HE IS NOT A LEADER AND CANNOT CARRY A TEAM. HE IS GOING TO BE AVERAGE AT BEST, PERIOD! !!!!!
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Exactly!! You have 90% of the analyst and scouts saying that Winston is the superior talent but Jim More says otherwise and all of a sudden it’s the gospel just because he coached against him in college.
February 11th, 2015 at 1:46 am
Sure thing Erik….so the bet is on.
February 11th, 2015 at 1:47 am
BTW I only want a creamsicle Winston jersey…not that ugly Burger King uniform jersey. You should start shopping now.
February 11th, 2015 at 3:12 am
win it’s in his name
#winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby
lemmon, it’s in mike glennon
February 11th, 2015 at 7:35 am
I’m not saying TD/INT ratio doesn’t matter, but if I remember correctly Josh Johnson (remember him?) had like a 40-1 ratio one year at San Diego (a testament to Jim Harbaugh’s greatness as a coach). So in college it really doesn’t mean much.
February 11th, 2015 at 7:47 am
So why is there a debate? The Bucs should have already signed Winston.
February 11th, 2015 at 8:58 am
@tmaxcon says,
SuperSam Barry, Bonzi and Mr. Patrick — I would like to purchase each of you lap dances and being that I am now a sensitive political correct gentlemen you can even pick a transgender for your lap dance…. you people are living in world all to yourselves. It’s not a perfect world.
@tmaxcon,
No think you on the lap dances. I wish you’d stop trying to push transgender lap dances on people. It’s just not my bag baby. Winston didn’t rape anyone? That’s not what a young woman is saying #FSUCoverup . Listen you may be ok with your daughter being raped but most men don’t. I beleive you may be of low moral standing. #OkToRape #tmaxconLovesTransgenderLapDances
February 11th, 2015 at 10:16 am
Some of us just read and chime in every so often,it blows me how people claim to be fesrful of another human beings off the feild poteential actions as if you have major stock somewhere invested in the organization that could somehow be affected in someway. Laughable.
February 11th, 2015 at 11:11 am
Sturgeon like crab legs…..Winston likes crab legs…Hmmmm
February 11th, 2015 at 11:37 am
Perryman is not the future MLB,Clemson’s Stephone Anthony is best fit in the draft. 6.2 245,4.5 40time and known as a consummate leader and voice on the field. Doyour homework,Perryman to small for this scheme. Urlachqur was 6.4 258. Do your homework.
February 11th, 2015 at 8:54 pm
Jameis and Fishers son….back in 2013 they were best buddies sidelines pregame etc….2014…never saw little Fisher boy….says alot to me
anyone but Winston