Mark Dominik: Pick Marcus Mariota
February 6th, 2015
Former Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik is driving the Marcus Mariota bus.
Former Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik has always been concerned with Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston’s off-field antics. Dominik never shrunk from that opinion, though he likes Winston’s talent.
During an appearance on the “SVP & Russillo Show” on BSPN Radio last manth, Dominik said he would have 2 1/2 months to convince himself that he could trust Winston.
Apparently, Dominik only needed not quite three weeks.
Dominik make it perfectly clear to Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times that if he were calling the shots of a team with this spring’s No. 1 pick, he wouldn’t blink: He’d pull the lever for Marcus Mariota.
“I think you take Mariota. That’s who I would take right now,” Dominik said. “To me, the talent level is not that different. Mariota has got a quick release, they’re both very smart, they both understand offenses, they both get the ball out, there’s a lot things that are very similar. But the thing that’s different is the fact that there’s an X factor in Winston right now. If you don’t feel comfortable saying he’s the face of the franchise, I don’t think the difference is enough to sit there and say you don’t take Mariota.”
The key there is if Winston can make the Bucs “feel comfortable.”
Naturally, the Bucs, like other teams who are looking for a quarterback, have boots on the ground in Tallahassee and in Bessmer, Ala., Winston’s home town, doing all sorts of homework and background work on the former Heisman Trophy winner.
What will be important for Winston is wowing the Bucs on the whiteboard and in interviews, both at the NFL Scouting Combine later this month, at Winston’s pro day, and at Winston’s official visit to One Buc Palace.
Like everyone else, Joe knows it is still a long way until April 30.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:38 am
Trade down TWICE…and stop fooling ourselves….lots of holes to fill…QB next year
February 6th, 2015 at 6:47 am
Winston is from Bessemer; that’s a suburb of Birmingham on the west side of town toward Tuscaloosa. Usually that is a Tide stronghold being less than 50 miles from Bryant Denny Stadium. I’d be curious to know how Jimbo landed Winston @ FSU as most kids from the I-20 corridor in Alabama end up with the Tide with a few going to War Eagle land in Auburn.
As far as Dominick liking Mariota; that in itself brings a nice red flag onto Mariota! To me getting the nod from Dominick is about as toxic to an athlete as a politician getting an endorsement from Hanoi Jane Fonda; that pic of her and Kerry at an anti-war rally together pretty much ensured a second term for Bush the second.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:59 am
Dom wants Mariota….Joe wants Winston….there should never be a more clear example of contrarian indicators, EVER! oh boy!
Williams or trade down.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:05 am
College QB field even worse next year. Perhaps Bucs go a little better at 6-10 then what? We might never get the higher chance for higher calibre QB for a long long time. That’s why I’m in the camp to get QB this draft.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:26 am
Winston also turned down Stanford…so he’s no dummy as many like to portray him to be…Also, Dominic endorsing Mariota is all the more reason to take Winston….And why are some people still saying lets pass on a QB and take one next year…if Winston or even Mariota decided to stay in school another year they’d be the top QBs in the 2016 class…this is why we’re the.worst team in league history we’re always waiting until next year to address the QB position, and next year never comes…
February 6th, 2015 at 7:31 am
P’cola, I understand. I get it. But winning teams are built from the “trenches” and out. I know our QB’s arent the best, but we did have two 1000+ yard receivers. Who was throwing to them? So the ball is getting there. We had the lead in the 4th quarter in many games, and our defense couldnt get any pressure on the QB and stop the other team from scoring to win. And yes, our Offense had trouble scoring to keep the lead, and the “trenches” had a lot to do with it. So did QB play…So did dropped passes!
Even if we do go QB #1, he’s gonna need time. So we’ll probably be back in the top 5 next year anyway. But if we work on the trenches this year, especially getting GMC some help in pass rush with a CANT MISS Leonard Williams, plus some O line for protecting the QB, then we’ll at least have a chance. Glennon might have a chance. And if it doesnt work, its not like we cant find a QB in the 1st or later round next year.
3rd and 6th rounders, your past two superbowl winners.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:40 am
Glad Dom is not the GM then. That would give me 100% confidence Mariotta would be injured a lot and a bust.
All the trade down post make me laugh, thanks guys.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:41 am
Dave:
Dameyune Craig was very influential in getting JW to come to FSU prior to him getting a job back at his Alma mater Auburn. He’s basically the reason FSU was able to sign JW. That story isn’t a secret. And although everyone likes to assume something shady about Winston in every aspect, you’re stretching it here.
Besides, every big time school in college football is involved in illegal recruitment tactics. Alabama and Auburn would be no different.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:42 am
Only Joe can turn a Mariota article into a Winston Watch.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:46 am
I just don’t know if I can cheer as much if Winston is the QB. I hope either Mariota shows how great he can be, or Winston stays out of trouble and proves that he matured.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:46 am
After reading this article yesterday afternoon it was pretty good. Dom also said when you talk to Winston you have to ask him why you can true him. What has he done in the past 3 months that makes you trust him. After an answer you follow up with give me another reason. Winston will be the most scrutinized prospect in years. He is going to get run through the wringer.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:48 am
Draft Mariota and don’t look back. Trade Gkennon yo move back up into the 1st and take an OT.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:48 am
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2014/01/04/q-a-auburns-craig-recruited-winston-to-fsu/4324459/
Educate yourself.
Even discusses JW in high school and his recruitment by Stanford.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:55 am
The word from the master of disaster should seal it.
Marcus has a shoulder injury, may not throw at combine. Knee injury last year.
Better consider that too.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:55 am
Trade down with Cleveland
for their 2-# 1’s
and their 2015 # 2
REBUILD
February 6th, 2015 at 7:59 am
If rock star say take Mariota then we have no choice but to take Winston. Rock star isn’t right to often.
February 6th, 2015 at 8:00 am
Dominik picking Mariota seals the deal for JW.
He busted on draft picks until Schiano came around. Long list of busts other than McCoy who he didn’t really have any other choice anyways at #3.
The pick is Winston.
February 6th, 2015 at 8:14 am
With the exception of McCoy, Rockstar missed on every 1st and 2nd round pick that he ever made.
February 6th, 2015 at 8:19 am
I am surprised Dom isn’t picking a QB with a torn up knee with the first over all pick. Yo know, “we can rehabilitate him” ….
Hopefully Dom lost the Glazers mobile #!
February 6th, 2015 at 8:30 am
Dom has spoken so the decision is easy now….take Winston! Dom struck out way to many times during his tenure as GM.
February 6th, 2015 at 8:33 am
I just don’t think Mariota is a franchise quarterback in the NFL and I just don’t trust Winston. The BUCS cannot afford another “Josh Freeman!” Tough decisions this year for Coach Smith. Dammed if you do and dammed if you don’t!!!
February 6th, 2015 at 8:46 am
I can’t really believe that he said “To me, the talent level is not that different.” And that sentence right there is why he was one of the worst GM’s Ever in the NFL.
February 6th, 2015 at 8:54 am
The main reason FSU landed Winston is because Jimbo allowed him to play baseball as well. Winston is the superior all around athlete… He would be Mariota in anything from QB play to ping pong. I’ll give Mariota the win in the 40 and 4 cone shuttle, lol!
Dom? The guy who said he would have taken Freeman with the 1st?
February 6th, 2015 at 8:56 am
That settles it let’s hire him back…
February 6th, 2015 at 9:05 am
This choice should not be about next season. It should be about the next ten seasons. Which QB will be the best leader for the next ten years?
February 6th, 2015 at 9:13 am
JSmalls Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 8:54 am
The main reason FSU landed Winston is because Jimbo allowed him to play baseball as well. Winston is the superior all around athlete… He would be Mariota in anything from QB play to ping pong. I’ll give Mariota the win in the 40 and 4 cone shuttle, lol!
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You mean like when Mariota beat him at the Rose Bowl.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:15 am
Ahhhh Dom. Back to the scene of the crime eh?
As in – Dom’s drafting was so bad it should have been illegal. Yea – McCoy turned out pretty good – but that’s like getting dealt a pair a kings in hold em poker. You are playing that hand and going in pre-flop no matter what. Lavonte David was a great 2nd round pick – but I’m going with the blind squirrel theory on that one. It was missing on at least 10 high draft picks with major whiffs like Barron, Freeman, Bowers, Price, Benn, Myron Lewis, 2 4ths for Stocker – not to mention the Revis trade fiasco – that dug this franchise into such a hole that it will take at least 2 more years for the Bucs to dig out of hell just enough to reach Purgatory. Thanks Dom!!!!
There is certainly some solid merit to the premise of – Find out What Would Dominik Do – then do the opposite.
Fair enough – Winston it shall be then….
February 6th, 2015 at 9:22 am
So when Dom comes out in a few months and says he would take Winston we know we are definitely taking Mariota, right? That is what the majority are saying. Do the opposite of Dom.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:22 am
Pickgrin,
You are a wordsmith, my friend. That was like reading poetry.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:26 am
Bucky Brooks says the Bucs could take Mariota as well.
Bucky Brooks 2/5/15 – Koetter’s experience working with a relatively young quarterback in Atlanta (Matt Ryan) could help him ease Mariota into the lineup. Moreover, Koetter spent considerable time working in the college ranks, including stints as the head coach at Boise State and Arizona State, meaning he’d likely be able to customize a playbook that accentuates Mariota’s strengths as a mobile threat on the perimeter. Considering Mariota’s intangibles, leadership skills and big-play ability, it’s easy to see the Buccaneers tabbing him to be their franchise quarterback.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:27 am
Wow…..this had to be a tough article for Joe…….a more avid Dominick supporter we’ve never seen…..coming out in favor of Mariota….Joe’s second choice for QB.
Now we really have a dilema……Dominick for Mariota….Shaun King for Winston….
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 11 or fewer points.”
February 6th, 2015 at 9:32 am
The thing is everyone comes on here telling us what THEY would do or what the Bucs SHOULD do. Now it’s Dom as well. I don’t know what the Bucs are going to do. Yet some of these people come on here saying that they are going to trade down or draft Williams and they say it with such certainty, when there’s nothing indicating that at all.
Yes mock drafts are useless this time of the year, but MOST of them are currently pointing towards Winston being a Buccaneer. Dismiss them all you want and dig in because you think that they will do what YOU want, but it doesn’t make it so.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:36 am
Skyline let me update Bucky Brooks for you.
Mock draft 1.0: Winston is right fit for Bucs. — Bucky Brooks
“Winston is the most NFL-ready quarterback in the draft. He is a nice fit in Dirk Koetter’s quick-rhythm passing game.” – Bucky Brooks
January 19th.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:38 am
Damn it I ain’t had my coffee yet…I’m still stuck in January.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:39 am
I rest my case.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:44 am
The again Bucky Brooks was naming about 5 teams(Bucs included) that could land Mariota. Yet his Mock Draft has the Bucs taking Winston. Like I said it’s too early for mocks.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:47 am
Bucky Brooks Mock Draft
1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State
Winston is the most NFL-ready quarterback in the draft. He is a nice fit in Dirk Koetter’s quick-rhythm passing game.
18. Kansas City Chiefs — Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon
Given Andy Reid’s reputation for developing quarterbacks, Kansas City would be the ideal spot for Mariota to grow into a franchise player.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:52 am
@87,
I know that isn’t your mock draft but, if Mariota were to start dropping that far,I am sure Chip Kelly would put together some kind of trade to snap him up.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:52 am
@ 87
So you think Brooks is right on with Mariota going #18?……wanna’ bet?
February 6th, 2015 at 9:53 am
I don’t see Mariota getting out of the top ten picks.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:55 am
Mock draft experts are like meteorologist, very rarely right.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:57 am
That’s not my mock…I’m just putting down what Brooks currently has.
No I don’t think that Mariota will drop that far. Further than the top 5 though. Then Kelly will pounce.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:58 am
If Brooks is right these teams would have to pass on Mariota and Philadelphia would not trade from 20 to 17 for him…
I think his mock can’t be trusted.
Titans, Jets, Bears, Rams, Browns, Texans
February 6th, 2015 at 10:00 am
Dave Pear…yes Dave but they very rarely get the top pick wrong. Like I said yesterday if the draft were 2 weeks away and 85% of all the mock drafts are saying Winston to Tampa. Then that’s who it’s going to be. Like it or not.
Same goes for Williams or Marcus.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:02 am
@87
Mine was from February 5th. So mine was more updated than your January article.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:02 am
Either Bucky is two faced or he has come around and changed his mind a little bit.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:04 am
@87,
I agree with that statement. Usually the first pick in a mock are correct.
Then after that pick, the mock drafts start to unravel.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:05 am
Skyline Crew Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 9:13 am
JSmalls Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 8:54 am
The main reason FSU landed Winston is because Jimbo allowed him to play baseball as well. Winston is the superior all around athlete… He would be Mariota in anything from QB play to ping pong. I’ll give Mariota the win in the 40 and 4 cone shuttle, lol!
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You mean like when Mariota beat him at the Rose Bowl.
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Mariota could never win the big game, could he?
Jameis could… On a last minute drive! Mariota has no clue what a last minute drive is or a close game. There’s kids in the Forest Hills pinto division more clutch than Mariota… And cry less too!
February 6th, 2015 at 10:07 am
Skyline Crew Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 10:02 am
“Either Bucky is two faced or he has come around and changed his mind a little bit.”
Yes but the post you posted. Brooks was ONLY naming one of 5 possible landing spots for Mariota and one of them was Tampa.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:07 am
If we are going off Mocks then we will be here awhile. Some mocks have Winston going #10 to the Rams. Do we really think he will fall that far? no. Also, Mariota won’t fall that far either.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:11 am
He also wrote about the Jets at 6…the Rams at 10…the Chiefs at 18 and the Eagles at 20.
He did a write up of each of those teams including the Bucs as possible FITS for Mariota. That’s no indication as to where he thinks he will be picked. So you have to go by his current Mock.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:15 am
Yes but if the consensus of Mocks are currently saying the pick is going to be Mariota at 1, if the draft was tomorrow. That’s who it would be.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:17 am
I wonder how Dom knows he can make all the throws if the offense he runs didn’t really call for it?
That and durability for the running QB is a big question mark. On field question mark.
Russell Wilson makes it work though, but that guy can make the throws too.
Jameis took a beating and kept on coming last year.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:21 am
I agree that these Mocks are highly speculative now….they usually are based on need vs BPA for each team.
We should have a good feeling for what will happen within 2 weeks of the draft, but not before. Even then, I suspect we won’t be certain.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:21 am
I’ve got no propensity saying it: if they draft Maritoa then they might as well fire Smith now. There is a reason his mock draft spot is sinking like a tone, Mcshay said it, when you start looking at the tape there is no caparisoned between Winston and Mariota—Winston is leaps and bounds ahead.
If the Bucs draft Mariota, you won’t see me at games this season…
February 6th, 2015 at 10:21 am
Hanging out with a bad crowd…
http://instagram.com/p/yurwKWBMUD/?modal=true
February 6th, 2015 at 10:22 am
Mark Dominik made so many horrible draft choices that he shouldn’t even get to say the word “draft”…
Has he been fired from ESPN yet?
February 6th, 2015 at 10:28 am
Problem not propensity—autocorrect you kiln mee 😉
February 6th, 2015 at 10:28 am
I am shocked Mark has the time to comment, rather than going to all the interviews for teams wanting his services……………
February 6th, 2015 at 10:28 am
@eric
Bunch of thugs. I don’t want THAT guy as the face of the franchise.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:42 am
87ForJameisNOMariota Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 10:15 am
Yes but if the consensus of Mocks are currently saying the pick is going to be Mariota at 1, if the draft was tomorrow. That’s who it would be.
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What if it comes down to a 60-40% on mariota/winston. Still going with that is how it rolls?
February 6th, 2015 at 10:43 am
I tried to look up Early Mock Drafts and google laughed at me.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:45 am
Jimmy53 Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 10:21 am
I’ve got no propensity saying it: if they draft Maritoa then they might as well fire Smith now. There is a reason his mock draft spot is sinking like a tone, Mcshay said it, when you start looking at the tape there is no caparisoned between Winston and Mariota—Winston is leaps and bounds ahead.
If the Bucs draft Mariota, you won’t see me at games this season…
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Bye.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:55 am
@gatrbuc17 LOL I believe it.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:57 am
I hope everybody realizes this is a team sport. You support the Team. Suggesting your abandoning them because you cant have your way makes you sound like a middle school-er. Its like selling a stock when its low.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:58 am
“Suggesting your abandoning them because you cant have your way makes you sound like a middle school-er.”
There’s at least one guy who said he will be a Dolphins fan if Winston is drafted.
February 6th, 2015 at 11:03 am
@everyone
I had a pretty cool idea but it was a little late last night and only a couple people saw it and liked it. What do you all think about the NFL hosting the draft each year in the city who has the #1 pick? It would generate a huge event for that team’s fans and a boost to the local economy to an extent. Imagine how cool it would be if the draft would be held in Tampa and all of us could mass together at a huge draft party. Then the pick err Winston, would not even have to get on a plane to address the local media. If everyone thinks that would be a cool idea, then we should petition the NFL to consider that?
February 6th, 2015 at 11:10 am
I think that is an awesome idea rayjay!!! I just don’t know about the logistics.
February 6th, 2015 at 11:11 am
I have faith in the process. It will all come out in the workouts. Winston is my pick by a mile anyway. I would like to have seen Mariota in the Senior Bowl to get a feel for him under center. If he can’t or won’t throw at the Combine, that is a red flag for me. I realize that guys don’t like to throw at the combine if they are at the top but I want the Bucs to pick a guy I know can get on the field this year not 2 years from now.
February 6th, 2015 at 11:12 am
@ rayjay1122
Great idea…..but probably a non-starter for the NFL…..NY easily accomodates everything necessary for the event….doen’t mean it is impossible…..one of the problems associated with it is timing……we don’t know the number one pick untl near the 1st of January and the draft is only 4 months later……perhaps not enough time….
February 6th, 2015 at 11:20 am
Rayjay
LIKE. Now put it on change.org and start a petition.
February 6th, 2015 at 11:27 am
That settles the debate, I’ll never root for any player mark Dominic has scouted. Is the beginning of February and he wouldn’t blink lol. No wonder this franchise began to free fall after he took over. Jason licht is already more accomplished the him and this was his first year as a gm on a 2-14 team. Atleast with Jason he’s been on teams that know what it’s like to win, I’m all on board this will be a great draft from top to bottom because of licht not lovie
February 6th, 2015 at 11:42 am
You Marsha Bradys crying for a mediocre QB in the 2015 draft
need to harden the f**k up. Trade down, build your lines and
stop blubbering about how you’ll end it all if the Bucs don’t reach
for a QB with the #1 pick.
Damn sissies.
February 6th, 2015 at 11:53 am
Sorry Dominik – but this is exactly why you’re an analyst now rather than a GM. To me, one of the biggest and most fruitless loads of BS over the last 5-7 years is all this nonsense of the Bucs only selecting seniors, captains, and players who could be true “Buccaneer Men” in the community while passing over greater talents who may have had “issues”. This spiel by Dominik is exactly the mind-set that has doomed them to being one of the worst teams in the NFL over the last 5-7 years. Where exactly have all these captains and Buccaneer Men gotten the Bucs: no playoff victories since January of 2003, 3 head coaches in 4 years, countless recent draft classes that have had zero impact and in some cases no players left on the current roster, and most recently… a 2-14 record. The icing on the cake? A dejected fan base and empty seats. So when Dominik says the talent level between Jameis and Mariota isn’t “that much different” – he’s clearly implying that Jameis is better. Let’s try a novel concept for a change and draft the player with the most talent and then maybe we can try the one thing that Dominik never seems to mention when discussing player evaluation… winning games.
February 6th, 2015 at 11:56 am
@ rayjay1122
The more I think about your idea….the more I am convinced that it is not logistically possible….4 months notice is not enough time for a major event like this….imagine some of the smaller markets trying to prepare with 4 months notice…..hotel rooms couldn’t be blocked in advance…etc….we are talking about an event with all 32 teams, executives, fans etc……
February 6th, 2015 at 11:56 am
You trade down people crack me up. There are so many teams sitting at home every year with great linemen. The teams in the playoffs every year are the teams with quarterbacks. Winston is not a reach at number 1. Mariota on the other hand is a reach and many scouts think he will and should drop.
February 6th, 2015 at 11:58 am
@Tony couldn’t have said it better. Way too many captains winning at Foot Locker Fantasy Football Leagues.
February 6th, 2015 at 11:59 am
@TBBF
Logistics would probably be a deal breaker. ..but it would be fun if it were possible.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:02 pm
I’m pretty sure Licht and Lovie aren’t taking advice from Dominik. Barring a huge trade package, the Bucs will probably stay put and draft a QB. I think Winston’s character issues will ultimately be the deciding factor and the Bucs will take Mariota. Things could change or they could throw everyone a huge curve ball and draft another position.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:12 pm
I am very anti-Winston, but still you kind of want to do the opposite of anything Dom says, lol
February 6th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
Early mocks mean nothing. At this time last year most mocks had Teddy Bridgewater as the #1 QB being taken early then he threw like crap at his pro day and dropped like a rock
February 6th, 2015 at 12:23 pm
Mariota will absolutely be our #1 draft and he will win the open QB competition in camp and be our starter from week 1. Everyone who thinks otherwise is out of touch with reality.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:59 pm
Draft the best QB. That is currently Mariota.
February 6th, 2015 at 1:12 pm
First Winston picked FSU over BAMA because Jimbo told him he would allow him to play baseball as well. This just solidify drafting Winston. Dominick has a horrible record at drafting players
February 6th, 2015 at 1:24 pm
@Joe you should have a draft party for JBF’s or reserve a section in the stadium for all of us guys to watch this go down together. I would love to see everyone in person because you guys all crack me up and I would love to see your reactions come that night.
February 6th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
We aint getting Winston
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/02/jameis-winston-nfl-draft-tampa-bay-first-pick-2015-florida-state
February 6th, 2015 at 2:26 pm
“Erik with CleanAthletics.com Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 12:23 pm
Mariota will absolutely be our #1 draft and he will win the open QB competition in camp and be our starter from week 1. Everyone who thinks otherwise is out of touch with reality.”
Erik loves him some Erik.
February 6th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
bucsfan4lyf …yet in the article it says they think the Bucs ARE going to draft Winston anyways. This article is nothing but a smear job. I’d pay it no mind. Then again some fans on here will consider it the Bible.
February 6th, 2015 at 2:50 pm
Why does Dom say the talent level is similar and pretty much every expert say its Winston with more talent undeniably! Joe the Rock Star is showing his true colors. If Dom likes Mariota then its an easy pick. Bring on Winston!!!!!
February 6th, 2015 at 3:34 pm
Mariota couldn’t win the big game? Lol, He beat Winston head-to-head! Then, put up 333 yards against a nasty Busckeye defense not to mention all his rushing success. In case u didn’t watch the game Oregon’s defense was the reason they lost! Stop making stuff up to fit your agenda… Winston did win the big game but ONLY with the help of 21 other starters they should be mentioned too its a team sport remember?
February 6th, 2015 at 3:48 pm
“If the Bucs draft Mariota, you won’t see me at games this season…”
i agree with skyline (finally,lol) bye *waving*
February 6th, 2015 at 3:55 pm
Why has Winston degressed in every statistical category from year 1 to 2? 3 interceptions in 1/2 game against Louisville. 18 totsl for the year imagine in the NFL it’ll easily be over 20 lol… Mariota had 3 all season
February 6th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
” Stop making stuff up to fit your agenda…”
where the heck do you think you are?
February 6th, 2015 at 4:13 pm
“If the Bucs draft Mariota, you won’t see me at games this season…”
Bye, you were never a real fan to begin with. I don’t want Winston but would never turn my back on the Bucs. I would support them to the end and if you switch teams because of personel descisions my friend you will be a man with no team sooner than later
February 6th, 2015 at 4:39 pm
the question is, how do these two stack up vs the scouting report and research that led to MD selecting Josh Freeman 17th overall 5 years ago
February 6th, 2015 at 5:00 pm
[…] former Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik reiterated he would take Marcus Mariota over Jameis Winston if he were still running the Bucs, of course it made waves. Lots of them. […]
February 6th, 2015 at 6:17 pm
You Monday morning GM’s are wrong, Mark Dominik learned a lesson. There are reasons a players has red flags. He ignored them with Freeman , like you armatures want to do now, and it cost jobs. A player with as many Red Flags as Jameis has you don’t ignore, you let someone else gamble and deal with them. If anyboby thinks Licht and Smith are putting their necks in a noose for Jameis, you’re nutts and are in complete denial. And I’m sure the Glazers have already decided against Winston with the first pick overall. IMO #TheCreepyCrab #IgnoreRedFlags #WhyDidWeIgnoreTheRedFlags
February 6th, 2015 at 6:40 pm
Just make sure the Bucs schedule Winston’s interview during visiting hours! lol
I’m telling you guys, you want a joke franchise, he’s your one-way ticket to Joey Gladstoneville for the next 3-5 years. Freeman set us back big time and I liked the guy but I can’t make an argument for his. His off-field whatever got in the way and cost him and us as fans several years of head scratching futility. Why. The. F. Anybody would pull the trigger on this kid with truckloads of baggage is ab-so-lute-ley IN SANE.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:48 pm
What looks worse on your imaginary resume?
“I drafted Marcus Mariota. He’s an incredible guy, great team mate and leader, just unbelievable work ethic and ambition. Absolutely incredible athlete and extremely intelligent and can read a defense effortlessly quick. I just can’t say enough what kind of person he is. He gave 110% for 3 years, but unfortunately didn’t succeed in the NFL.”
or
“I, knowing the overwhelmingly obvious red flags surrounding him, actively chose to ignore them and selected Jameis Winston. He had a great first year. He threw for 4500yds, we went 8-8. Then the first offseason, well, uh, he didn’t mean to I’m sure, but well… “INSERT HEADLINE HERE” happened and now he’s not gonna be playing football anymore…
There is no opinion, there IS a right and wrong answer here.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:46 pm
So far, Dom’s endorsement of MM is the best reason to avoid MM, that I’ve heard.
Wish the Bucs would hire him as a consultant; get his opinion on every pick, every round, then pick anyone else.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:03 pm
one hundreth
February 6th, 2015 at 11:57 pm
That’s it @joe, keep hope alive…
You can knock the Rockstar for a lot of things, draft analysis isn’t one.
I was wondering why @joe has never really compared each QB’s release? Amongst all the other on-field issues that I have with Fameis Jameis – that Byron Leftwich-y/Tim Tebow-y release – is THE most troublesome. All things factored, Fameis Jameis is NOT a better prospect, I don’t care how many athletes are trotted out to endorse this kid – more is wrong here – and it doesn’t pass the sniff test.
If I can spot this ENORMOUS problem, why aren’t the “experts” talking about it?
@joe, you’ve briefly mentioned the issue, but quickly dismissed/minimized the problems Winston has with mechanics. The windmill release became painfully problematic as Byron Leftwich’s career progressed. Tim Tebow spent the entire pre-draft period, and portions of his professional career trying to change his release…no one significantly changes their release and becomes successful NFL. No one, ever.
The long wind-up is a killer…
February 7th, 2015 at 2:26 am
@whitetiger
for such a poor release, winston throws into tighter windows and further downfield more accurately than mariota.
it is also not as bad as you make it out to be nor unimaginable considering he was a baseball pitcher too. not too hard to rectify.
here you go with a comparison to big ben’s throwing mechanics at the end. (your comparison’s were purposefully poor…tebow? please, that would be a mariota comparison.)
February 7th, 2015 at 10:55 am
@Snook
I don’t think Dave’s point about Jameis going to FSU instead of Alabama or Auburn had anything to do with charges of recruiting improprieties. And I agree with you that all schools cheat and Auburn has the shadiest rep of those three schools.
It’s not that FSU had to cheat to get Jameis, it’s that both Alabama and Auburn are the schools of choice in Jameis area and if either of these schools really, really wanted him they would have gotten him. The implication is that they were scared off by Jameis extracurricular behavior.
February 7th, 2015 at 7:18 pm
@lurker, I’m a Buckeye. I don’t care about your Seminole football wonder…nor do I care for Oregon’s new-found tradition of greatness…
Try putting homer-ism aside, If Fameis played for any other college team you wouldn’t be that impressed.
Honestly, as one who doesn’t have Florida school allegiance, solely looking at this from the outside, there isn’t much difference between FSU/Jameis fans and the Gator/Tebow fans a few years back…your perspectives a bit clouded. Understandable, just not very logical. You’ve heard things said about the guy you like that are cool and trendy, and you’re stuck on repeat…
No one. EVAH. corrects a giant wind-up. When the money was on the line for Leftwich, he couldn’t change it. When the money was on the line for Tebow, he couldn’t change. It’s COMPLETELY UNIMAGINABLE to think Fameis CAN change his release. In my opinion, no one should even try. Heck, Kenny “The (original) Snake” Stabler had a 3/4 sidearm delivery. LOTS of coaches told him he’d never be successful in the NFL, some even wasted time trying to get him to change his delivery – he wouldn’t and didn’t – the team that left him alone found a lot of success with him, once they put the right offense around him.
Couple things about that comparison though: 1) Less personal drama is tolerated in today’s NFL, and more importantly 2) LOTS of difference between a delivery/release point – than a release. NO ONE changes their release. You telling me it’s easy to change, only tells me you have no idea what you’re talking about – it’s like teaching a low-handicap golfer who’s been playing for years – to suddenly change his golf swing, or trying to teach a fastball pitcher to throw a knuckle ball – during the season…it’s just NOT going to happen, NFL teams don’t have the time. It would take as much time to correct Fameis’ release as it would to allow Marriota to run a spread-option while adding in WCO elements.
The release point is critical in the NFL for one reason – namely, the long wind-up gives the faster NFL defenses more time to A) get to the QB before he can deliver the ball, and B) allows the secondary to jump the routes of your receivers…
It’s critical. You want to participate in this discussion? Go to BSPN and watch the actual head-to-head games of the 2014 championship bowl series. Watch how much trouble Fameis had, BECAUSE his release was so long and slow, then watch Marriota against Ohio State and you’ll see the ball exploding off of Marriota’s hands for 20, 30 and 40 yarders.
My point is, FSU homers aren’t looking at the real picture. and while they put the correct amount of scrutiny on Marriota for his flaws (played in a shotgun, never took a direct snap, relied a LOT on his feet/speed) – you guys do NOT apply the same critical eye towards Fameis…
If you did, you’d see that these guys are going to take the SAME amount of time to develop – each has his own problems – but the part that causes doubt is, once you pour dolladollabilz on each of them, which one is going to be patient enough to take the coaching, which one thinks he’s already “there” and which one are you going to have to put an ankle bracelet on to make sure he isn’t spending too much time down at the Mons…
Once you divorce yourself of the homer-ism – logic helps you focus the way an owner (who those dolladollabilz belong to, and who will be doing the pouring of the dolladollabilz – and also be answerable to the community and Goodell) would focus…
…if you can do that, you may see why Marcus Marriota is becoming a clearer choice.
See, for those of us from the outside – it’s NOT a personal attack on FSU or the best QB you guys have ever had…it’s about the best pick for the future of the franchise you support.
February 7th, 2015 at 9:21 pm
and there you go whitetiger…making assuptions.
i have no skin in fsu or uf. i like winston way more than mediocremariota. i have seen both their games. so where is your expertise from since you say i have no idea what i’m talking about? and yet, i provided a link and video to someone else stating what i said. smh
my only “homerism” is for the bucs. nice to have you start of wrong with your poor assumptions. it just minimizes whatever else you are saying.
February 7th, 2015 at 9:21 pm
*assumptions
February 8th, 2015 at 3:46 am
Only a homer would shamelessly gloss over Fameis’ problems with character & mechanics while accurately exposing the weaknesses of Marriota system QB that needs time to adjust to the NFL game…
A windmill wind-up is not easily corrected.