Jameis Watch: Shameful Hate!
February 20th, 2015
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
Joe has had it. Enough is enough. It’s time to start waging war on the haters for the sake of innocents across this football-loving nation and free land known as ‘Merica.
Having a keyboard does not give one the right to traffic in character assassination. And that is just what a certain Gannett columnist is doing in her best effort to kill the professional career of one quarterback, Jameis Winston.
Joe gets it if you think Winston’s picks disqualify him as an NFL quarterback. That’s fair. Joe gets it if you think Winston will be a bust because every Jimbo Fisher-tutored quarterback before him has sucked eggs in the NFL. Again, fair if not honest critique. But to suggest Winston is a child-beater or a woman-beater without a shred of evidence is out of hand and Joe will call your arse out for such granstanding and empty moralism.
Yes, Winston got accused of getting too handsy with a woman, an allegation that has been disproved three times. THREE! Joe can accuse anyone of anything; that is a far cry from fact.
This emotional national columnist — Joe doesn’t want to give said stenographer the honor of typing her name much less linking to her work — she doesn’t deserve it — claims Winston needs to meet with NFL warden commissioner Roger Goodell to confess his sins.
For what!? He has maintained his innocence and the allegation has never been proven accurate. Notice Winston has never been charged for his alleged rowdiness with a woman?. NEH-ver! Been cleared by a retired state Supreme Court justice, in fact.
This dame — hey, she deserves the moniker — even linked Winston with Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson and Greg Hardy. Good God, the unmitigated gall of this chick. Why stop there? Why not group Winston with Rae Carruth while you are at it?
What a female dog!
It is sickening for Joe to even recount her drivel. Joe spoke with a well-known national columnist this week in frozen Indianapolis who also works for a prominent TV network who thinks Winston has become a pinãta for weak and lazy writers. This broad who went after Winston just proves that theory.
Look, Joe gets it if someone doesn’t like Winston for his play on the field, his picks, his childish stunts at Publix and Burger King or his brash personality. All fair points. But to tar and feather the kid and give him a scarlet letter for an alleged crime he was cleared of three times, or as Bucs coach Lovie Smith said this week, he has been “exonerated” for, is beyond the pale.
Where was/is the same outrage for Mark Sanchez and Zach Mettenberger, who in college were cleared and plead guilty in sexual assault investigations, respectively? Why is Winston so special for this diatribe?
And Joe will see to it those lazy frauds get called out for their feces.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:04 am
Joe….many can see Jameis for what he IS…..
February 20th, 2015 at 10:08 am
better jump on CNN then
because the civil case is front page news this morning!
February 20th, 2015 at 10:10 am
Way old news. smh
February 20th, 2015 at 10:11 am
Do you honestly think its gonna get better? I just don’t feel sorry for him because it is all his own doing. He created Every adjective in front of his “intro” that Joe types every day. Can he Mature? Maybe. I just haven’t seen it happen much.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:12 am
Joe,
Brace yourself, this story is only gonna get much much worse.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:15 am
@joe did the Florida state attorney say that some college say FSU and the police didn’t do there job with the initial investigation? I believe he did so don’t act like this was treated fairly cause that’s a lie. You yourself can say he 100% he didn’t do it no one can. There will always be hate for him look all the dumb things he has done. I personally can’t stand to look at him
February 20th, 2015 at 10:15 am
The Tampabaybucfan is a documented Mariota supporter that has cosistently called posters out when they accuse Winston of rape. There wasn’t enough evidence (not no evidence) to charge him….so he gets the benefit of the doubt…..absolutely.
I will say that Joe’s categorizing like this:
“Yes, Winston got accused of getting too handsy with a woman, an allegation that has been disproved three times” is misstating the allegation by a longshot…..
In Joe’s attempt to minimize the accusation and omit proven “evidence” of something other than “handsy”….(semen)….Joe fires up the haters and polarizes the fanbase. (probably unintended)
Supporters of Winston….and I may end up being one if he is selected….better develop some thick skin because this is just the beginning.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:15 am
No way the Glazers allow Jameis…no way…
February 20th, 2015 at 10:17 am
I’m sure Joe would welcome the young man into his home and even allow him to date his daughter (if he has one). As a father of two daughters, I wouldn’t let this kid in my driveway. Please bring the cries of racism, yes, I’m a white man, but I’ve been happily married to an African-American woman for 30 years, so that argument won’t hold water. The old adage of “Where there’s smoke there’s fire” is an old adage for a reason…
February 20th, 2015 at 10:19 am
wow, USA today sports as well.
get used to it, it is only beginning.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:20 am
Why are you surprised Joe, seriously? He is getting more heat b/c he is black. Racism is still here, that’s why people only compare him to other “black” quarterbacks. NOBODY will say it but I will, the other is that people are just stupid. Don’t you read your comments? There just beyond stupid.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:21 am
It will never be old news for the alleged victim
February 20th, 2015 at 10:21 am
Being a season ticket holder since 1977, I have seen a large sampling of poor QB play. I do not prefer a ‘boom or bust’ QB. Teams can win with a good QB but can not win with a ‘bust’. As we all know, the Bucs won a SB with Brad Johnson – a good QB.
Go with the safest pick. The Bucs can not afford to gamble with this pick.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:22 am
Joe you have become a joke. I am a daily reader giving up.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:23 am
The people spewing the venom are just going to be that much more pissed off on April 30.
I will be here to rub it in. You know who you are.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:24 am
If the Bucs take Winston ( not a gimme by any stretch ) they had better be prepared for all the baggage and extracurricular stuff that comes with him! I’m not passing judgement on the guy, but the fact is that these issues will continue to hang around him for a while and may prove to be a distraction. People have a right to their opinions, Joe…..whether you agree with them or not!
February 20th, 2015 at 10:24 am
Joe, just call her a racist. I mean it “might” be true. Why else would she single Winston except that hes black?? You could say she’s a racist and how she should have to meet with the NFL PR office to convince them she isn’t before having her press creds returned.
Is it true? Who knows, but having questionable character opinions posted about her will allow her to walk in Winston’s shoes for a moment.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:25 am
Required reading for the HATERS
http://www.realclearsports.com/articles/2015/02/17/new_york_times_and_jameis_winston_98148.html#.VOdDWC7kpAM
February 20th, 2015 at 10:26 am
Stop throwing out the race card….toally unfounded ! It is Jameis character issues…throwing issues….weight issues…..no 21 year old athlete without eating/emotional issues has 20lbs weight flucuations in a 6 week period,especially gearing up for the biggest 3 career months in his life.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:27 am
Jim…your last name begin with an A ?
February 20th, 2015 at 10:28 am
some of are un aware of the other cases or have not read the information. as we are bucs fans we look into what is bucs related, which is winston. having read the rothelsburger info, he is equally as disgusting.
at least his victim got a settlement. this alleged victim has had her life destroyed, and it does not look like she is backing down….not by a long shot. which is what someone who is not lying would be doing.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:29 am
“Yes, Winston got accused of getting too handsy with a woman…” – Joe
“Handsy?” Wow. Way to downplay rape.
“He has maintained his innocence and the allegation has never been proven accurate.” – Joe
It has never been disproven as accurate either.
Personally, I am not holding those allegations against him, though I do believe his troubles over them are not over. I fully expect a huge civil suit.
What I hold against his is mostly his play, and the pattern of failing to learn from his moral mistakes. A repeated issue with discipline.
As Chris Landry pointed out, as well, his 2 game streak of 7 interceptions should have been 14 picks, because the defense dropped the ball 7 other times. Imagine that. Potentially 14 picks in two games, and he would have blamed his teammates, just as he did in the Rose Bowl.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:29 am
7 picks in 2 games would get him benched and cut in the NFL. ’nuff said.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:30 am
@Robert 9
Stop it. I hate having to agree with you two days in a row.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:30 am
I have been saying all along that drafting Winston will be a PR nightmare….in this day of 24/7/365 cable/Internet…..commentators have to fill the time….and they will fill it on an accusation if they need to.
It is very unfortunate for the alleged victim and Winston that the investigation is under question because it may have totally exonerated him.
The PR nighmare is the primary reason why I have believed the Glazers would not permit the drafting of Winston…..distractions of any kind with a top player, much less a QB & #1 pick “face of the franchise” are usually avoided by teams.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:30 am
One word. Feminazi!!!!
February 20th, 2015 at 10:31 am
Yes
February 20th, 2015 at 10:32 am
Just a thought Joe …
Starting off each of your articles on James Winston with the words “Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering …” MAY influence how some of your readers perceive Winston.
And you’re right. “Having a keyboard does not give one the right to traffic in character assassination.”
Just a thought …
February 20th, 2015 at 10:32 am
Frankly, the fact that Joe wants Winston should make the pick clear. It will be Mariota or a trade, because Joe is NEVER right on that first pick, lol.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:32 am
If it looks like a #TheCreepyCrab, and walks like a #TheCreepyCrab, and quacks like #TheCreepyCrab then it’s #TheCreepyCrab.
We’re talking about the most important position in Sports, the position of NFL QB.
Other positions you may be able to look past indiscretions, but you can’t at the QB position. Bad character is bad character, period. Red flags mean something Joe. I’ll tell you something, Joe wouldn’t hire someone with the same Red Flags Winston has to be President of his magazine. And that’s a fact.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:34 am
people know squat about Jameis Winston. myself included. what i and most others have become acquainted with is a total caricature of a human being. this is made worse by the fact that his handlers and FSU probably did not want him speaking out on the most sinister accusation while the accuser and her attorney were on a full offensive. JW has been defined by the media more than any other player in college football this season. we know the incidents and the incidents bear scrutiny (the proven ones), but this is to the level of people who reflexively believe obama is the antichrist or that wealthy people have no soul. Personally, i look forward to actually seeing jameis winston the human being, and forming an opinion based on seeing the guy walk, talk, and tell us what he’s about instead of what pandering journalists on both sides of the winston divide write to incite debate and emotional reaction
February 20th, 2015 at 10:35 am
The media circus is the main reason I don’t want Winston/prefer Mariota. I think they’re both capable on the field and just don’t want to deal with this crap for the next few years. We’ve seen what distractions can do to a team, especially at the QB position.
Whether the kid did anything wrong or not, he’s this year’s social media whipping boy. And until ALL of the court cases are gone, he will continue to be in a negative spotlight, deservedly so or not. That’s just how sh!t is now in the public eye unfortunately. He can kiss babies and say the right thing but ‘Merica loves negative press and a lot of people won’t let it go.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:35 am
BTW did any of you see that Brandon Scherff only did reps on the bench press yesterday. That is Sad!!!!! When I was I could hit 225 20 times and I only weighed 180lbs. Sorry but a dude who is 6’6″ 320 should do alot more than that
February 20th, 2015 at 10:35 am
*”this is made worse by the fact that his handlers and FSU probably did not want him speaking out on the most sinister accusation while the accuser and her attorney were on a full offensive FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR IT HAS BEEN ONGOING”
February 20th, 2015 at 10:36 am
Joe has me gagged here….but from the St Pete Times board and afterwards I posted as a clue….Jamacian sterotype
February 20th, 2015 at 10:36 am
Joe leading the call for Winston almost assures Buc fans that the pick will be Mariota!
Mariota will be a better QB over the long haul, he may have a steeper learning curve, but his intelligence and work ethic SHOULD lead objective observers with an overall felling that he will be able to grasp an NFL offense and do quite well at it.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:37 am
@Tampabaybucfan….great post! Winston was accused of RAPE. I’m not saying it was rape, but that is a lot more serious than “getting handsy” with someone….Like creepy Uncle Joe Biden! Joe is trying to minimize the seriousness of the crime, instead of standing up for (what he feels is) the innocence of the accused. My fear is that we draft this guy, pay him big money, and then more allegations suddenly surface now that he is a wealthy guy. Is this guy worth the circus that will follow him?
February 20th, 2015 at 10:39 am
“Having a keyboard does not give one the right to traffic in character assassination.” – Joe
“…weak and lazy writers. This broad who went after Winston just proves that theory.” – Joe
“Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering…” – Joe
Interesting…
February 20th, 2015 at 10:40 am
Amen, Joe.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:41 am
Landry named about ten guys with similar character concerns, and none of them worked out. He could have added plenty more to the list.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:42 am
[Fortunate you are long-time commenter. Anyone else would have been launched for good for what you typed. Might want to be careful in the future, though. — Joe]
February 20th, 2015 at 10:42 am
got to agree with Tampabaybucsfan 100%
+ not only is Winstons “face of franchise”-potetial in question
also his onfield skills are in question, since most fans know about what “experts” are SAYING but not what they are actually THNIKING, which could be misleading..
As for “journallist” (who don´t deserve that term, because they are just writers, looking to the get paid, and therefore, they need to deliver what the boss wants >> which means sth. that will get clicks/sells – and doesn´t have to be the truth >>> just like the women writer Joe is reffering)
And then, when you “scout” winston, you can see he has some very same traits like Freeman and makes throws, that defenders are able to read more or less easily >>> which lets his INT number growing; and he should have been picked off quite more often.
+ winston is a video-study kind of guy, but still makes those dumb throws?
>> not exactly in his favor of “great football IQ”…
>>> it´s media hype when saying “winston is the clearly better/pro ready QB on tape”
>>> he has an better arm than Mariotta, does that make him the better QB? . No. gotta look at the whole package..
>>>> IMhumbleO Mariotta is or may not be the better QB; but as a coach and if i would be leader of a franchise, i certainly would prefer him by a long shot… but thats pure subjetiviity
February 20th, 2015 at 10:43 am
Like I’ve been saying –TRADE DOWN FOR A BOAT LOAD OF PICKS…
February 20th, 2015 at 10:44 am
I’ve been saying trade down TWICE in the first round and announce
WE ARE REBUILDING !
February 20th, 2015 at 10:44 am
Winston is not a good person to put it extremely nice terms. Anyone that knows anything about the program knows this. What I don’t understand is why radio and sites push this guy like he is a savior. He is not and closet to even explaining what Winston is was Greg Gabriel and he was being too nice.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:47 am
@JOE
You’ve said this while on with the Big Dog and it was wrong then and it’s still INCORRECT!
an allegation that has been disproved three times.
That is simply wrong. There was never a trial! NOTHING was proven for or against Fameis. He wasn’t cleared due to a lack of evidence. He was charged due to a lack of evidence. This is still very much a he said she said deal. In ‘merica as you suggest Fameis gets the “presumption” not the “proof” of innocence.
Then you add this gratuitous line…
without a shred of evidence
Excuse me but Fameis and his buds admitted to sex. The only question is whether or not it was consensual.
There is also evidence that the Tallahassee PD scrwd the pooch on the investigation.
Here is how you Winstonites SHOULD be handling this. S T F U about rape allegations! END OF SENTENCE! When they arise simply point out Fameis has put that episode behind him MOVE ON! The more you try to make smll of it the worse you look! The MORE the women’s groups are going to get peoed.
Stop trying to prove him innocent. Just stop period and it MIGHT eventually go away. But as long as you Winstonites keep painting hiim as St. Jameis the worse you make it.
Just sayin’
February 20th, 2015 at 10:50 am
90% of Bucs fans are with you Joe. Only about 10% of the Winston supporters are on here being vocal about it bc its such a dumb debate. The Glaziers already said they are on board, L&L are both ready, and all the fans are ready too. Jameis will bring winning back to Ray Jay. Notice how the Mariota supporters are more anti-Winston than pro-Mariota.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:50 am
@lions
How do you know that Jameis is not a good person? Find me one article of someone who actually knows him that says this and i’ll show you 20 that say the opposite. You are making an opinion out of not liking the guy, but you really know nothing, and have obviously done zero research on the real Jameis.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:51 am
Is Joe ever gonna post or quote the podcast that his friend Stephen White put out yesterday?
https://soundcloud.com/passingonthegame/my-first-podcast?fb_action_ids=10152662779356629&fb_action_types=soundcloud%3Apublish&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B557713194331726%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22soundcloud%3Apublish%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
Probably too Anti-Winston for Joe to tolerate.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:56 am
SPBF, not having enough evidence IS BEING CLEARED.
If you were to accuse me of breaking into your house last night and watching you sleep, there would not be enough evidence to prove it (because I’m pretty good at covering my tracks) then I would be cleared.
Furthermore, the TPD did not screw the pooch, the accuser stopped talking with the police for 11 months.
Ya know what….I just can’t do this anymore. Please just read this and educate yoruself:
http://www.realclearsports.com/articles/2015/02/17/new_york_times_and_jameis_winston_98148.html#.VOdDWC7kpAM
February 20th, 2015 at 10:58 am
@Joe: Read that article. It is quite toxic in intentions, but poorly disguised as good advice.
NFLPA will be one of the dumbest, most useless unions if Winston’s case does net him a strike 1 from Goodell based on NFL’s personal conduct policy.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:59 am
Yada yada yada…draft Winston and win football games. The rest of this nonsense becomes background noise at worst.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:59 am
I don’t like Jamies he is a fool. Why miss the interview yesterday why get overweight this is the most important time of his life and he is just Blah it frustrates me I don’t think he is mature enough I believe he will just throw as many picks as TDs.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:01 am
Not having enough evidence is being cleared…..ABSOLUTELY FALSE….he can be arrested and charged over the same incident anytime for now until the statute of limitations runs out….depending on the crime/charges being filed get you head out of Jameis’s hammock
February 20th, 2015 at 11:02 am
StPete- how does one get “charged due to a lack of evidence”?
February 20th, 2015 at 11:04 am
@ Lovethepewter
“The Glaziers already said they are on board”
Not an established fact…..rank speculation….based on an article from Charlie Campbell (likely a guess)……this has not been confirmed since by any other writer and, trust me, they are all working on it.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:04 am
Thankfully Lovie Smith has made it very clear that the bucs will not be influenced by this nonsense.
Good for Lovie.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:05 am
the only thing the real sports article does is show that she did not change her story. it was someone else, not her who said to the police she was hit in the head.
this is all he said, she said. where little can be proved. it’s the actions of the person that speak louder to the point.
she has come at him with fury, while he has acted like a dumb$hit and even been so bold to say that being accused than being raped. their actions are what lead to my opinion.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:16 am
So glad none of these clowns work in our front office. Winston will and should be the pick based on talent. All this PR stuff is just reporters trying to make a story to get readers. Maybe Mariota ends up being a good QB but as of right now, I haven’t seen what I think the Bucs need on tape.
If you don’t like Winston as the Buc’s pick, you are welcome to jump ship. I’ve been a fan since ’76 and I’m tired of us not having a decent QB of our own.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:16 am
@adown88 Yes we all do have opinions mine come from being not close but close enough to base my opinions on that. If I was a journalist I would have to maybe state my sources I’m not, so I’ll go with Greg Gabriel and say he is def. on the right track and obviously is more credible than anon me behind a keyboard. What I don’t understand really it’s not that hard to find out and anyone with a few ties knows this. The good articles you have read in my opinion are pushed by Fsu because of issues with Winston. I will say in my opinion that he would have liked to stay in school but he was giving Fsu …boosters too much of a problem. Was a deal made for him to exit school early and the misconduct hearing? I’m not the journo. My point is he should not be a number one pick and def not saddle this town let’s say with terrible life choices that so far have always hurt others and never been accountable.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:18 am
Yeah right there was a deal with the Supreme Court Justice to throw the conduct hearing.
SMH.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:20 am
Brennan and folks like her , cough (tom jones) cough, are terrible writers, whiners, and losers. the only thing they do is try to tear people down and hold them to standard no one could live up to.
funny that Brennan doesn’t mention that the accuser was/is a member of the group that called themselves the cleat chasers. their group mentality was to have sex with athletes and the more famous the athlete, the bigger the stakes were for the cleat chasers. this is total shakedown by the accuser, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
the only thing to fault Jameis for is that he was foolish to fall for her seduction. He will continue to have gold digging women throw themselves at him in hopes of a big pay day or settlement.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:21 am
Prepare for baggage you say,really. Ben won a superbowl and I havent heard a peep about his prior issues since. All this none since gose away the minute he arrives in the bay and imediately start wimning games. Case close all the detractors will soon “concur”.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:22 am
“Robert 9 Says:
February 20th, 2015 at 11:05 am
the only thing the real sports article does is show that she did not change her story.”
No, she changed it at least 5 times.
“it was someone else, not her who said to the police she was hit in the head.”
So, now her own witnesses are lying?
Winston, his witnesses, and her witnesses have maintained the same story this entire time. She is the only one who has changed her story multiple times. Spin it all you want, but, that’s what has occurred.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:26 am
I read that article Joe and I shook my head repeatedly. Especially the “confess his sins” to Goodell part. Utterly ridiculous. Not nearly as ridiculous as some of your commenters on here though. The same people that might have to root for him should that be our pick. For the writer can just walk away from it at any time.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:29 am
CreamsicleBananaHammock , The whole truth never matters to the self righteous . When you read the last Judges’s findings there are even more examples , like the girlfriends statements. Paints a much different picture.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:29 am
@ Luther
Were you excited like I was to get Spurrier as QB…..only to be bitterly disappointed?
February 20th, 2015 at 11:35 am
The truth is if Charlie Manson could throw for 6000 yards and 40 TDs some of you would look past some of his current and past transgressions. You would be rallying support and clamoring for the Bucs to draft him while other would be concerned about his character issues.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:36 am
It won’t work joe. Let it go. Acting as if Jamie is some kind of victim. He’s not. He brought all of this on himself. As Mayocck said this morning. With all of his off- field problems, you’d think that Jamies would have made himself available to the press by now. This will be an issue for a lot of GMs. “
February 20th, 2015 at 11:37 am
“Barry Says:
February 20th, 2015 at 11:35 am
The truth is if Charlie Manson could throw for 6000 yards and 40 TDs some of you would look past some of his current and past transgressions. You would be rallying support and clamoring for the Bucs to draft him while other would be concerned about his character issues.”
Like you’ve ever cared about the truth.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:37 am
I just think that 2-14 doesn’t buy Lovie the normal autonomy HCs recieve from the Glazers…
Most of the Mock Drafts have us choosing Winston because they believe Lovie needs to “win now” and Winston provides a better opportunity for that….
I look at it exactly the opposite way……Lovie wants Mariota and convinces the Glazers that he will be worth the time developing him…but that may take a while….and in the meantime….it buys Lovie time.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:40 am
“Thankfully Lovie Smith has made it very clear that the bucs will not be influenced by this nonsense.
Good for Lovie.”
____________________________________________________________
Yup…because Lovie ALWAYS tells the truth! HAHAHA…don’t get conned!
February 20th, 2015 at 11:44 am
I’m not a Winston fan for many reasons:
* Slow release, stares down receivers throws picks like beads at Mardi Gras.
* Comes across extremely cocking around teammates. Has a me first attitude.
* Makes poor decisions off the field.
* Then there’s the rape accusations/pending civil suit. That is not going away anytime soon.
I’m sure few NFL owners would want to see the face of their franchise in court facing sexual allegations out of the gate.
All the people crying about these allegations that are being brought up is based on race are full of it. It’s a tired ploy to pull the race card every time somebody says anything negative about a player of color. The majority of the NFL is black and are very good people. Nobody cares what color you are as long as you can play.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:47 am
MTM….Jameis is very cocky. He’s not a me-first type of person though.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:48 am
@JFF that’s a pretty good podcast. White makes a lot of good points about the current NFL and why the BS about Mariota not being “pro-ready” is overblown. Doesn’t slam Winston really, just gives an objective view about some of his problems that people seem to overlook.
Pretty clear he loves him some Leonard Williams tho.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:54 am
Lovethepewter Says:
February 20th, 2015 at 10:50 am
“Notice how the Mariota supporters are more anti-Winston than pro-Mariota.”
I have definitely noticed that.
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87ForWinstonNOMariota Says:
February 20th, 2015 at 11:26 am
“I read that article Joe… Utterly ridiculous. Not nearly as ridiculous as some of your commenters on here though.”
That’s exactly what I was thinking reading Joe’s article ’87. Joe is speaking out against this journalist woman “hater” for what basically is character assassination – and yet Winston “haters” who are definitely in the minority (as proven by Joe’s latest poll) seem to or at least attempt to dominate the majority of JBF comments threads with anti-Winston rhetoric that is often times much worse than the things this “journalist” is saying. It is really starting to get old and negatively effects the experience that the average person has when they visit Joe’s website.
Joe should be directing his ‘enough is enough’ outrage firstly at a # of his own readers who literally slander Winston dozens of times a day on JBF comments threads – day in and day out. Publicly calling someone who has never been arrested or charged a “rapist” is flat out slander and is against the law. It should not be tolerated and Joe should be making that clear to his readers and moderating or banning as needed to keep it from happening on his website.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:58 am
Winston (the accused) has now become the victim. These hacks that report their agendas versus facts are a joke. I have been posting for months Jameis did not deserve the death sentence. This falsely accused young man is going to lose millions of dollars because a lying self proclaimed “Cleat Chaser” changed her story more than her underwear. People who file false claims or commit perjury (changing stories) need to be held accountable along with the losers who are making a living filing false law suits. The ambulance chasers that promote such behavior are scum too. She is a criminal people. She lied…. More than once under oath.
Someone please post the definition of perjury in case “The Kevin” comes back around
Barry get that Winston jersey. You know that you will!
Draft Winston! Fire Lovie!
February 20th, 2015 at 12:31 pm
Joe after reading this comments I’ve come to some conclusions. You either have the most “Did nothing wrong ever” followers or the worlds “greatest hypocrites”. You named two QBs that went through the same and they were NEVER bashed in this way for it. Hell I remeber some of your followers asking for Sanchez in FA. NOw who’s to say they knew this info? I personally didn’t remeber until you typed it. Here is my take on Jameis, people hate him because he is a Nole, and they hide this hatred behind the allegations. Or his confidence on the field rubs them the wrong way. These people can attempt to fill the Bucs roster with CHOIR BOYS and we will struggle to be relevant as a team. But the Patriots don’t mind having character problemed players including murders, and they have a DYNASTY of a franchise. MAKE YOUR CHOICE SO-CALLED BUCS FANS!
February 20th, 2015 at 12:32 pm
HC AZ Cardinals. If I’m not mistaken dude went 11-2 with a third string QB.
“So many times, you’re evaluating a quarterback who has never called a play in the huddle, never used a snap count. They hold up a card on the sideline, he kicks his foot and throws the ball,” Arians said Thursday at the NFL Scouting Combine. “That ain’t playing quarterback. There’s no leadership involved there. There might be leadership on the bench, but when you get them and they have to use verbiage and they have to spit the verbiage out and change the snap count, they are light years behind.”
February 20th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
All the arguments are about who’s better or who’s worse. The QB pick will be made over who’s the best fit for the future offense we haven’t seen yet. Despite the Heisman curse, both are likely to be successful on the right team.
February 20th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
“at least his victim got a settlement. this alleged victim has had her life destroyed, and it does not look like she is backing down….not by a long shot. which is what someone who is not lying would be doing.”
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So let me get this straight, because she isn’t backing down, she’s not lying? So liars give up easily? You don’t think her end goal could possibly be to get money, which could happen when he makes it to the pros? Give me a freaking break. Like so many others, your mind has been made up about Winston long ago. Probably even before you heard about the incident. I wasn’t there, but from all that I’ve read, it sure as hell seems like her story is fragile at best. How many times has she changed it now – three, four times? If it’s the truth, why continue to change your story? To me, that doesn’t sound like something someone who is telling the truth would do, now does it?
I have a daughter. I have zero tolerance for sexual abuse. However, I’ve also seen a friend of mine get falsely accused of rape by a sneaker chaser. It does happen, even though you don’t want to believe it because it goes against your agenda.
February 20th, 2015 at 12:38 pm
Hawaii
What’s up buddy how have you been? I agree with your last post it does happen. There’s a guy now working for the NFL who spent years in jail after being falsely accused of rape. Hell hath no fury ….
February 20th, 2015 at 12:45 pm
and Jameis isn’t backing down either. Only difference is, he’s never changed his story
February 20th, 2015 at 12:53 pm
It will all stop whenever she gets a subpoena for a deposition. She continues to posture for settlement. She will never show up to be deposed. All her lies will be fair game.
February 20th, 2015 at 1:05 pm
@ hawaiian
so, obviously you have your bias based on knowing someone who was falsely accused.
I have my bias as well having been raped by a college QB.
February 20th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
@Robert 9,
You were raped by a college QB? Damn bro, that sucks.
I’m not biased. In fact, if you check the archives, I was initially against us drafting Winston, mainly because of this incident. However, I started to read up a lot about the incident. I read the facts. Her story has changed several times. How do you explain that? She said she had no idea who he was, and never had met him before, only to have pictures surface of her with Winston. Hmmmmmm, that doesn’t sound questionable to you? I’m not being biased, I’m being unbiased. I changed my stance due to the evidence I read. I admit I wasn’t there and maybe he is guilty, but I don’t understand how any reasonable person could come to that conclusion with the evidence we have been given.
I want to want Mariota. He’s a Hawaii boy!!! He’s literally the Michael Jordan of Hawaii. By all accounts, he’s an outstanding kid. I’ve been wanting a Hawaii kid to play for the Bucs, and Mariota is the dream scenario (still pissed Chucky cut Chad Owens, who’s consistently a MVP candidate in Canada). But in my uneducated opinion, Winston is the better NFL QB. I’m going to let the professionals judge his character and his past transgressions.
February 20th, 2015 at 1:31 pm
There is a word for women like her and it begins with C
February 20th, 2015 at 1:39 pm
I have to agree with Mike Mayock and Chris Landry who both said that Winston has brought all of this on himself by his own actions
February 20th, 2015 at 2:22 pm
This has nothing to do with racism. He’s the highest profile player in this draft class, with or without the accusations. Last year people were calling Clowney lazy, and stating he had a poor work ethic and took his last year at SC off. If Winston is drafted by the Bucs, has no further issues, stays humble (unlike Manzel), and plays well this will be a dead subject by the end of training camp.
Look at Big Ben in Pittsburgh, not a peep about his past discretions.
February 20th, 2015 at 2:37 pm
@ hawaiian.
from what I read those pictures online were not of her and winston. unless she’s the 6’2 girl dancing with him
you sure about that?
February 20th, 2015 at 2:38 pm
Might explain why Winston didn’t do media interviews yesterday. His medicals took longer because it appears he is experiencing weakness in his throwing shoulder and they are trying to figure out why.
February 20th, 2015 at 2:43 pm
This is just the beginning. With “The Hunting Ground” being nationally released next week and then CNN showing it in prime time just before the draft the bad publicity and bad press will be coming out of the woodwork
February 20th, 2015 at 3:03 pm
Keep all squirrels and women off the streets if selected and be home by 9pm. The criminal is on the loose armed with a bb gun and considered dangerous with the 5-finger discounts. Beware Publix and Burger King!
February 20th, 2015 at 3:10 pm
@StPeteBucsFan Says & All of the Gators fans that can only hate
She said she was at a party, where she was hit in the head, knocked out and raped.
The truth: She and her friends met Jameis and his friends at Potbelly’s, a local club. She went back to Jameis’s apartment with him. There were witnesses.
She said accused was 5’11 – 6’1 black man.
Jameis is 6’4.
She said she was drugged (rufies?) and drunk.
Toxicology reports show no drugs, and minimal alcohol.
She said she was raped.
Rape kit says otherwise.
She said she had sex with no one else that day.
The truth: Two semen samples were found on her panties.
She asked her friend to say that the panties were hers (hers, being her friend’s)
She said she did not have a boyfriend.
The truth: She did; another athlete in another town. The second semen sample belonged to him.
Her aunt/attorney said that Erica would never willingly sleep with Jameis because she doesn’t date “black boys.”
The truth: Erica’s boyfriend was black.
There were two witnesses to the consensual sex. Jameis’s roommates. They walked in on Jameis and her. She was on top (hardly a position of submission) and yelled: “Get the fuck out!”
She waited TWENTY months to file a title IX complaint.
She and her friends posted photos themselves and Jameis on Instagram using the tag #cleatchasers.
Here are photos of her and her unknown rapist: http://viewsonnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/erica-Kinsman-Jameis-Winston-accuser.jpg
And Here: http://viewsonnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/erica-kinsman.png
And people wonder why Tally PD or the State DA or the FSU Board of Review didn’t think this was worth their time
Unplug the phone and DRAFT WINSTON.
February 20th, 2015 at 3:27 pm
@robert 9,
Yes, I am absolutely sure. Theres a picture of the two of them in a club. I’ve seen that picture, and I’ve seen a picture of her. Same girl, unless she has an identical twin.
February 20th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
Much respect Joe!!
February 20th, 2015 at 3:47 pm
thats not her hawaiian, her and her lawyers have confirmed that.
that photo was proven fake long ago
February 20th, 2015 at 4:33 pm
@ Robert 9
Lying – those photo’s have been published by Huffington Post, DeadSpin, Daily Mail and others – they are from her Instagram website which she tried to hide and delete
IN FACT Google search = No results found for jameis winston erica kinsman “fake photo”.
February 20th, 2015 at 5:38 pm
Tmz has confirmed they are fake……look at the picture too. That girl is way taller than her