Jameis Watch: “Scared To Death”
February 16th, 2015
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
Fear of drafting Jameis Winston has gripped the top draft guru of this generation, Mike Mayock of NFL Network.
Mayock is trembling along with the anti-Winston crowd, except Mayock is pro-Winston and believes Winston is the surest draft prospect among this year’s quarterback class.
Mayock checked in with Bucs-uniform-frowning, Allie-LaForce-smitten, Big-Ten-Network-hating, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball-box-score-reading, NPR-listening, filthy-hotel-staying, fight-instigating, barista-training Peter King, of Sports Illustrated and NBC Sports fame, for his weekly must-read column today.
Mayock: “It’s not a good quarterback class. I’m scared to death of Jameis Winston off the field, and I’m scared to death of how many interceptions he throws. He threw seven interceptions against Louisville and Florida, and could have been 12 or 13 if the other teams could catch the ball. But most quarterbacks come out of the spread now, and they’re projections, like Marcus Mariota. I love so much about Mariota, but he is a projection. I’m much more comfortable projecting Winston, even with the interceptions, because he was a pocket guy at Florida State. And his ability to win games in the second half is mind-boggling.”
Joe understands the Jameis fear, but “scared to death” is a bit much.
Regardless, the state of mind of Team Glazer likely is all that really matters. And Joe suspects Team Glazer is fearless now as they investigate their potential No. 1 overall pick.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:12 am
“…his ability to win games in the second half is mind-boggling.”
Simple as that!
February 16th, 2015 at 9:18 am
His ability to blow games until the second half is mind-boggling.
The things he got away with in college will not fly in the NFL. And I’m talking about on field things.
He has no ability to throw WRs open, he projects his throws AND gives enough time for offenses to adjust (which is why his picks were high) and he has a windup.
Mayock is wrong on this one. It happens. Marcus Mariota is the best choice, even if it takes a year or so to get him rolling.
Looking for quick fixes is a sure fire way to doom a team. Look at the Jags and Browns.
The Raiders made the same mistake time after time. They finally wizened up and took Carr, who is a project as well. Look how well he is adjusting, and how quickly.
I would LOVE to sit down with Mayock to watch the tape, and point out what I see. I bet I could change his mind.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:26 am
Jim Mora about Mayock’s comments regarding Mariota:
“I don’t agree with that. And I would venture to say I’ve seen more of Marcus Mariota than Mike Mayock. And I respect Mike. If there is one voice out there that I’d listen to, it would be Mike because he does the work, he doesn’t poach off of other people’s information. He looks at the film, he’s active in calling coaches. But I don’t think that he’s a project. I think the guy is special, that’s just based upon playing him and evaluating and studying him for two years now.”
“In my opinion he’s the best quarterback and the best player,” Mora said. “That’s my opinion based upon what I’ve seen, which is a lot of film of him. Anytime you start to go in depth in evaluating these players, you’re going to find holes. There is nobody that doesn’t have a weakness, a deficiency. But Marcus Mariota has such great character, he’s big, he’s fast, he’s strong, he can throw it. To me, he’s a sure thing.”
February 16th, 2015 at 9:30 am
Mayock also had Blaine Gabbert as his number one ranked QB in 2011.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:31 am
see :
https://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=131786#comments
February 16th, 2015 at 9:31 am
Leonard Williams is the safest best. Then Brandon Scherff as a Guard.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:32 am
turnover battle mean anything?
February 16th, 2015 at 9:41 am
Yep, Winston threw all those balls at himself when he couldn’t run his correct route. Or his line didn’t break down forcing him to throw early. I’m not saying take all picks away, but don’t blame the freakin kid for everything. This isn’t golf, think or at least I heard, there is more then 1 player on the field.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:49 am
You poeple act like he had terrible wideouts and he doesn’t have a top five TE. Lol he just said he could have had 12 or 13 more if defenses could catch. And I know Benjamin couldnt have inflated his # last year. Nope the hunting ground has no one to throw to. Only the most represented team at combine.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:50 am
He and Mariota working out together, Mariota has put on some size and he has slimmed down: https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/mariota-and-winston-prepare-for-combine-by-working-out-with-each-other-162319933.html
February 16th, 2015 at 9:52 am
I think Mayock just hates spread QB’ period. Rated Blaine Gabbert over Newton and thought Newton would be a hall of famer. Also had Manziel as his #1 QB last year and his red flags were greater then Winston’s in some aspects in my opinion, so I dunno if I really just his overall judgement.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:57 am
@milenko – Excuses… I don’t mind the idea of drafting Winston but his hardcore supporters are too quick to dismiss any negative comments about the guy, on or off the field.
Conversely, any positive comments made about Mariota are simply turned back to the system Oregon runs. Nevermind the facts that the guy looks off safeties very well, keeps his eyes down-field when he is scrambling, has a good arm, makes all the plays he is supposed to make. He didn’t run a “pro style” offense so he can’t possibly be better than Winston…even though he beat Winston head to head. But that wasn’t Winston’s fault of course, Winston was the reason for all of FSU’s wins last year, nothing to do with the loss.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:58 am
Winston
Wind up – It’s not an illusion. He isn’t quite as bad as Leftwich or Tebow, but he’s alarmingly close. Given his baseball background, I believe this is the contributing factor. I also have my doubts that it can be de-programed since he has it in both sports.
Posture – He places his weight improperly while passing the ball.
Pocket Presence & Release Speed – Winston holds onto the ball too long because he is very slow going through progressions. Watch him closely. He does not do it by instinct, and he rarely reacts quickly. His progressions are almost forced. Expect a lot of sacks and fumbles. He’s a statue in the pocket as well. Bad instincts for moving around.
Stares Down Targets – Winston consistently stared down his targets. Even as he goes through his progressions (which take far too long) he is constantly looking back at his intended target, making it clear who he is passing to. I can predict his target on nearly every play, so I know the defense can.
Accuracy – Winston has to be accurate, because he projects his throws so badly that WRs are almost always covered. But he isn’t nearly so accurate as people claim.
The Comebacks – While everyone talks about how he has so many comebacks, few look at the reasons for the need to comeback. He consistently plays poorly in the first half of games. In the NFL, if he throws 2-3 picks in the first half, there will be no coming back nearly as often, because the teams will run up the score. Especially when they realize is weakness.
Leadership – His dislike of losing is admirable, but as a result of having such a record, he really has not had the opportunity to prove his leadership ability…except in the Rose Bowl, when he blamed everything on his teammates and took no accountability for himself. He even got in the face of his coach. That is not good leadership. Sorry. I saw his team quit on him in the Rose Bowl, and its no wonder.
The Offense – Not as NFL style as people claim. There were often 4 WRs on the line. We rarely, if ever, see that in the NFL. I suspect this is because of his weakness in the pocket and scrambling. He cannot buy time, so they have to give him as many options as possible.
Off Field Behavior – Like it or not, it is a factor. Even if he is innocent of the rape charges, he has done other things, and worse of all, he has shown the inability to learn from his mistakes. This simple fact that fans who want Tampa to draft him talk about how he could be “mentored” by Brooks or Lovie or whomever, in order to control his off field behavior, raises the biggest red flag. If he is the right pick, why does he need to be babysat? It’s not what you want in the face of your franchise. You might pull it off with WR or RB, or even CB, but not with Quarterback. He would alienate the fans inside of a year. Try as the people who want him picked might, there is no avoiding this. If he needs help in that area, he is a very bad investment. Think back to any successful Quarterback in history, and show me more than two that had such off field behavior issues and still found success. The odds are against it. and that is the main red flag.
Thought Processes – Winston seems to process things at a slow pace, which is alarming. The NFL game is faster, as we hear rookies point out every year. His slow progressions and slow adjustments make him a bad risk. Contrary to Mariota, Winston has a hard time with letting bad plays go, and will often blame others for his own mistakes. He loses self control often. To be honest, I wonder if he has the same illness that Brandon Marshal has. It would explain a lot. But it would also be a major red flag, as I would not want Marshal within a mile of our team). Winston would often go off on his teammates, and 5-10 minutes later come back to them and try to talk their anger at him down. That is VERY Marshal like. He will stomp around on the sidelines, yelling and screaming when things are going wrong.
Mariota
Under Center – Obviously, we don’t know how he will handle this aspect of his game…but I DO know two things. First, EDS is the wrong center for him. EDS blew 2-3 games last year all by himself because of bad snaps. Second, most of the playoff teams avoided taking snaps from under center over 75% of the time. It’s overrated, but I think Mariota can do it 25% of the time, like the best teams.
Pocket Presence & Release – There is a myth that Mariota is not a pocket passer, likely attributed to him by an overall opinion of pocket quarterbacks. Does he scramble? Yes. But he always…ALWAYS…looks to throw first unless a running play is called. He manages the pocket very well, knowing where to move. Teams that expect him to be a scramble first QB are in for a surprise. His release is very quick. No windup. If you look at the best NFL offenses, they are fast paced. Winston, I believe, is not capable of this, Mariota is.
Progressions – Mariota detractors claim he does not go through his progressions. This is not what I witnessed (I have watched nearly 28 games of his). I saw him instinctively go through them very, very quickly. More than that, I saw him reading the defense before the ball went in motion, and making adjustments.
Accuracy – He plants his feet properly and he throws. there were a couple floaters that could have been picked off by a pro, but for the most part he was very accurate. What detractors pointed to as inaccurate was mostly ball placement to reduce risk of interceptions, and it worked. He laid the ball right where it needed to be, consistently. At the same time, there were 2-3 passes a game that he probably wished he could take back. I look at it like this…3 passes out of 30 passes is pretty darn good.
Scrambling & Throwing on the Run – Scrambling to the right and throwing on the run Mariota was deadly accurate…even across the field, even though that’s not a wise throw in the NFL. He did pull it off in college though. Scrambling to his left, I didn’t see very often in 18 games, but he did well at least 60% of the time on such plays, which seems consistent with NFL Quarterbacks when they move left.
When he is forced to scramble, he keeps his eyes moving about, looking for someone to pass it to, until he crosses the line of scrimmage and then he commits.
Thought Processes – Marcus Mariota processes things very quickly. More than that, he makes decisions very quickly. There are times when this might become an issue in the NFL, because he might miss something in the defense, but for the most part it is what you want from today’s NFL Quarterbacks. He is a very smart, fast learner. He doesn’t let bad plays get to him, and instead makes an effort to overcome obstacles as much with his mind as with his talent. He learns and adapts. He treats his teammates with respect, doesn’t pout. He doesn’t blame others for his bad plays. In fact, I have witnessed him taking players aside and encouraging them. He studies the playbook while on the sideline as well, looking for ways to overcome challenges, refreshing his mind.
Go Mariota
None of this evaluation can be disproven, because it is spot on. Anyone that says otherwise is in denial.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:58 am
Finished the article and already knew what the posters would say. We will have five to ten guys say something about the off the field stuff and what a monster Winston is. A couple of morons will point out Mariota’s low int numbers and ignore that he throws passes at the line of scrimmage or runs the ball while ignoring the fact that Mayock hit the nail on the head! Mariota is a project. If you want a QB taken number one overall you need to get on the Jameis band wagon cuz Mariota ain’t going first overall! Ever!
February 16th, 2015 at 9:59 am
@ Joes
Anyone in their right mind would be scared to death of drafting Winston…. Off-the-field, you can’t depend on him to stay squeaky clean (unless you’re a moron) and on-the-field, he has some serious flaws with his mechanics and decision making. He is absolutely not #1 draft pick material.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:02 am
Every time you see Winston, he’s squinting when he looks to the sidelines…..
Bet he needs glasses……maybe that’s something no one has spoken about…
February 16th, 2015 at 10:04 am
Unplug the phone and draft Winston
February 16th, 2015 at 10:06 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYDbAO1F8nY
February 16th, 2015 at 10:10 am
Bucfan4life, you are obviously a moron. I guarantee that Mariota will be our #1 draft pick. The Glazers will NEVER draft Winston. You obviously have never owned a business.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:12 am
@BuccaneerBonzai You say Oregon had 4 receivers on the field and that doesn’t tend to happen in the NFL, Dirk Koetter runs the 4 verticals remember?
February 16th, 2015 at 10:13 am
@Bucfan4life
Do you really believe Winston won’t be a project as well? ALL DRAFT PICKS ARE.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:14 am
Yes.. NFL is a multi Billion $$ business and teams do not have any idea if a player is near sighted. You nailed the problem of scouting and why teams miss on draft picks!!! All hail the genius!!!
February 16th, 2015 at 10:16 am
@armchair, cool article there from Yahoo! didn’t know they were training together. Hopefully the Bucs have a good contact at Prolific Athletes to see how that competition is playing out.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:18 am
I said Florida did.
I also said WRs. Dirk didn’t do it with WRs.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:18 am
Not JUST WRs I mean.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:19 am
Freeman. Talib. Williams. MRSA. ETC.
I don’t think the Glazers will let Winston be the pick.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:23 am
So Erik would you hire an employee that has not shown the ability to do what their asked to do at their job going forward? Apparently so as that is exactly what you be doing if you draft Mariota. He has never ran a traditional offense, has always had the benefit of confused defenses due to the Oregon speed, and has not displayed consistent accuracy. But other than that he would be great right? If draft Winston will you just go away with your nonsense.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:24 am
Jameis Winston is the best thing to ever drive clicks to this blog.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:24 am
There is no Andrew Luck in this year’s draft
Put on your Jesse James-style mask, and trade down!
February 16th, 2015 at 10:25 am
“I would LOVE to sit down with Mayock to watch the tape, and point out what I see. I bet I could change his mind.”
Bonzai…..welp…you’ll have to sit down with about 20 other an analysts as well. Show of your mad tape skills.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:26 am
BuccaneerBonzai, spot on evaluations. Thank you for the sanity… I think you should repost that same comment everyday in Joes’ idiotic Jameis Watch article to shut these whackos up.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:27 am
Okay excuse the typos…only had 3 sips of coffee.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:28 am
In the last Youtube video I sent the local guy seems to think either way one or the other will have to sit at least a few games like Bortles did last year.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:29 am
@BoltIsle – You might be right there lol… Manziel last year was a gold mine though, it’s gonna be close by the time the draft get here.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:30 am
@jfat yea I love the article, adds some intrigue to the draft with both guys pushing each other and competing already. Interesting to me is what he predicts for both guys 40x and how each guy is working to rid themselves of the negatives the critics have of them.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:31 am
Mayock..also has Winston going to #10…the Rams.
If Winston falls that far….that kid is going to have a MONSTER chip on his shoulder. Heaven help the Bucs if they ever have to play against him.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:32 am
Mariota isn’t only the safer pick…if the Bucs go QB at #1…..he’s the smarter pick too. He has a much quicker release, is better throwing on the run, and his speed will force opposing teams to “spy” him with a LB to make sure that if he breaks containment, he doesn’t take off on those 30yard scrambles he did routinely at Oregon. This will give our WRs an edge over the middle of the field. We all know the Bucs O-line is a mess, and if a young QB is going to be successful on this team, it will need to be one who can move and scramble…and get rid of the ball quickly! That’s why Mariota is the better choice.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:32 am
@armchairGM – Yeah, I think both would be best served to spend at least the first 4-6 games holding a clipboard. Unless either one pulls a Russell Wilson in camp and blows the coach away to take the job from the jump.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:33 am
Nybucsfan Says:
February 16th, 2015 at 9:49 am
You poeple act like he had terrible wideouts and he doesn’t have a top five TE. Lol he just said he could have had 12 or 13 more if defenses could catch. And I know Benjamin couldnt have inflated his # last year. Nope the hunting ground has no one to throw to. Only the most represented team at combine.
You are not informed.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:35 am
Yep armchair, that is great news for us really. Both guys are taking this seriously and want to be the best. If Jameis can get a few life lessons from Mariota and Mariota can get a few tips on running a standard offense, even better. Iron sharpens iron.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:35 am
Jameis Winston will knock the snot out of Glennon in TC and be the starter on day 1.
Erik’s buying me a creamsicle Winston jersey too!
February 16th, 2015 at 10:38 am
Nybucsfan….he had O-Leary and Greene. That was it. His O-line was not nearly as good as the previous season too. Like some try to suggest.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:41 am
Like always Erik has no response for the valid questions that are sent his way.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:44 am
@Jeagan1999 that’s exactly why I prefer him, yea it will take some time, but he has the opportunity to make the offense explosive and fun to watch.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:46 am
@buc1987 I dunno I think once they moved Erving over to center their line was pretty good. Erving is the top center coming out in the draft and they have two guards slated to go within the first three rounds. Their tackles I’m not to sure about but the rest of their line are all great NFL prospects.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:52 am
armchair…some people have Irving rated in the top 5. Not the best, but yeah he is up there. There was a big difference in the time Winston had to throw than he did in 2013. Atleast from all the games I watched, which was all of them.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:52 am
Yep terrible o-line at FSU with 3 guys projected to go in the first 3 rounds. And, he “only” had O-Leary and Greene…Who were all those stud receivers Mariota was throwing to again?
February 16th, 2015 at 10:53 am
NFL ready vs the direction the NFL is headed
It is as plain as Winston flab gut hanging over his pants….the NFL is doing everything in its power to encourage wizzbang pinball scoring…speed kills
Mariota is THe Future NFL prototype QB
Winston is the last model before a model change
February 16th, 2015 at 10:54 am
Like always, Erik posts a comment and then resumes working. I don’t avoid valid questions…. Business Life Lesson #1: Always take the moral, strong-character guy over the guy over who has repeatedly shown to be a poor decision-maker and also lacks strong moral fiber; as long as you believe the strong-character guy is intelligent and driven enough to learn the position and excel in time.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:56 am
@ Bonzai
I see exactly the same things that you do. Every time I watch Mariota in Oregon games, He does all of the things very well that the “experts” say he doesn’t do at all. You wonder if they even watch him or just repeat what they’ve already heard
I’m still a Leonard Williams or trade down guy, but if the Bucs do insist on taking a QB I hope it’s Mariota because he will be the next Russell Wilson only more dynamic and exciting
February 16th, 2015 at 10:56 am
Typo, my bad…
And 87, you’re the one buying me a jersey!!!
February 16th, 2015 at 10:57 am
@BuccaneerBonzai
I cant wait to buy My Mariota Jersey and watch all these Jameis fans cry 🙂
The future in bright in Tampa, Glennon will start as Mariota learns the ropes and who better to teach him than a humble kid that is hungry like him.
Now we have to fix the offensive line because if we don’t, any QB tsrating will get killed. I was at the Ravens vs Bucs game, its a miracle Glennon came out alive from that game.
L&L, its not a hard choice. get Mariota, get fans excited again and get a face of the Franchise.
GO BUCS!!!
#MariotaorBUST
February 16th, 2015 at 11:01 am
“Erik with CleanAthletics.com Says:
February 16th, 2015 at 10:54 am
Business Life Lesson #1: Always take the moral, strong-character guy over the guy over who has repeatedly shown to be a poor decision-maker and also lacks strong moral fiber; as long as you believe the strong-character guy is intelligent and driven enough to learn the position and excel in time.”
You act like he committed aggravated assault or something.
February 16th, 2015 at 11:03 am
So many people are extremely narrow minded. Just because Mariota has not been asked to do certain aspects of the pro style QB, does not mean that he can’t. Winston is probably closer to his ceiling since he has been doing those things.
February 16th, 2015 at 11:05 am
Winston played behind an incredible NFL-star offensive line and threw 18 interceptions in less than half a year(suspension). Imagine with the Bucs’ offensive line against REAL NFL defensive talent! #Nightmare at least, 20+ picks/year easy…
February 16th, 2015 at 11:16 am
#TheCreepyCrab say day ain’t nutta sexier den a drunk ho passed out on the floor, and she be like moaning.
February 16th, 2015 at 11:18 am
Folk, please don’t think even for a second that ALL FSU people are Pro-Winston. I am a Nole and my son now goes there also and we are both Pro-Mariota. A very large number of my FSU friends feel exactly the same way. We all know the things that have happened up there and do happen still and we can’t wait for Winston to move on and be somebody else’ problem and nightmare. Everybody up there knows he’s dirty but has to keep the company/school line. Bucs will hopefully stay very far away
February 16th, 2015 at 11:23 am
With all do respect to the Winston Na-Sayers, but the interceptions this year came from the fact that FSU went from Junior and Senior Receivers to pure Freshmen who didn’t know their routes fully yet.
I believe it was from fear of this years class freaking out current freshmen. So yes this year Winston did stare down his receivers since they were not always on the same page. Yes he wasn’t accurate since they didn’t always run the routes deep enough or at the right angles. All of that changes the way the QB delivers the ball as well. This was usually part the problem in the first half as well as poor protection when the starting center went out. Again causing his launching point to constantly change.
As for his off the field decisions, the rape accusation was in his red shirt freshman year, and the girl someone who was known to do this sort of thing with players. She thought he was a big baseball player at the time. (Known from the DA) The other instances were all from college kids and not all of him. Publix in the area was known to help out students and this was an internal investigation with them. Why else would the security guard follow him to his apartment. They were building a case to bust someone in the store. I have worked with Publix on situations just like this. We need to stop killing these kids before they get a chance to do anything.
February 16th, 2015 at 11:30 am
Hey Erik read what i said. Mariota isn’t going first or anywhere near it! Nobody is taking a project with the first pick! you don’t like Winston fine, but if they don’t take Winston then the Bucs will not be drafting a QB with that pick. Do you really think that Bucs management would be dumb enough to use the top overall pick on a guy who has never shown that he can’t play in a pro style offense. It really is that simple!
February 16th, 2015 at 11:31 am
Can
February 16th, 2015 at 11:34 am
I believe winston is tge best qb in this draft bar none. If we pick nariora we will be sitting here 3 years later watching winston in the playoffs. Be careful what u guys wish for. Ive watched mariota and winston. And if u believe hes better than winston ur nuts
February 16th, 2015 at 11:40 am
Ive said it before and Ill say it again. INTs are not a big deal. Every QB turns the ball over. Difference is not every QB can overcome those INTs and still continue to win. Winston has and can. You people are silly if you think Mariota will never turn the ball over. He will. Difference is we have no idea if he can will his team to victory despite them. 2-3 in games decided by 7 points or less. Winston is 7-0. Bring Famous Jameis to Tampa and Fire The Cannons!!!
February 16th, 2015 at 11:45 am
I would rather draft a QB that would sit for a year to develope and learn then be a star for me for the next 10 years than to draft a QB that in a year would show me that I made a major mistake that set my franchise back 3-5 years
February 16th, 2015 at 11:47 am
Hey Joe, where is the story about cheese burger, double fries and a biggie coke Winston the Fattie story that surfaced this weekend?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/14/jameis-winstons-qb-tutor-says-hes-not-fat-photo-aside/related/
He could be a Shaun King in the making……
February 16th, 2015 at 11:50 am
Couch Fan, there is a HUGE difference in trying to make those comebacks in the NFL than there is in a very weak ACC. If Winston threw that many Interceptions in the ACC, you can imagine how many he will throw in the NFL and how many games he will cost his team? He’s going to really struggle
February 16th, 2015 at 11:52 am
Of course, Matt Ryan — as a senior, also playing in the ACC — had more picks than Winston. Imagine how badly Ryan would struggle on the NFL level?
Uh, oh.
February 16th, 2015 at 11:58 am
Wombat, or the next Jamarcus Russell or Jared Lorenzen
February 16th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
I love how all the Winston haters somehow think they are smarter than guys who are paid big bucks to evaluate players. Use your head a little bit, eh?
February 16th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Oh stop with the ACC garbage. Show me one college QB that played nothing but tough defenses every game. There isn’t one because ALL teams play cupcake schedules in college. Just stop with the excuses. Thats just how it is. Even in the SEC half of there games are against nobodies and never will be’s.
February 16th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Jameis could potentially start really soon wheras if we draft Mariota we would likely have to endure Glennon for a year or more. I expect Lovie to pick Winston for the instant gratification although im sure either QB will struggle when thrown in the fire week one.
February 16th, 2015 at 12:02 pm
yes even your boy Mariota. Oregon plays cupcakes to.
February 16th, 2015 at 12:05 pm
The amazing Matt Ryan with his 9 TDs to 7 ints in the playoffs to go along with his 1-4 record. Sign me up for that.
February 16th, 2015 at 12:13 pm
Joe
Yes, the same Matt Ryan that has thrown 45 interceptions in the last 3 years while his team is 23-25 during that time
uh-oh
February 16th, 2015 at 12:16 pm
Amazing how that fan scouting report pointed out every negative of Winston and all the positives of Mariota. A lot of the points being made were not even valid. It amazes me how people spin things to support their agenda. Winston is the better QB and most REAL scouts think the same. If Winston is not the first pick, it will only be because they found something they could not live with.
February 16th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
Winston has played the last two years on a totally stacked team, so the “he can overcome INTs” argument is nullified when he comes here because the awful Bucs defense is there to be exploited. Horrible ACC teams who can’t move the ball don’t exist in the NFL at the same rate. In terms of what a multiple turnover game from Winston would look like in the NFL, think the Oregon game (except the Bucs would be even worse than the FSU team Jameis played)
He has major concerns as a passer. Lots of those INTs were from some very basic disguised defenses. Most NFL defenses are at least 3 times as complex as college defenses. He’s not a plug and play starter like many think. He’s got work to do to become a good QB.
February 16th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
So now Matt Ryan isn’t a good QB? LMAO. These people will say anything to imply how bad Winston will be. Go head and get all that pent up hate out now. Hopefully you’ll have it all out by the time the Bucs select Winston on April 30th.
February 16th, 2015 at 12:19 pm
A lot of you are going to be extremely upset when Winston is selected by the Bucs. I find it very comical some of these posters confidence that it will definitely be Mariota with the first pick. Your setting yourself up for utter disappointment. I find it very hard to believe lovie will tie his future up with a project QB. if they’re comfortable with Jameis, he’s undoubtedly the number one pick. For those saying he won’t be because he’s a thug blah blah blah then your in for a devastating reality check. What happens when he’s not who you thought or hoped he was.
February 16th, 2015 at 12:19 pm
I rather have the next Russell Wilson over the next Cutler, Eli, Matt Ryan, whatever you wanna call him.
#MariotaorBUST
February 16th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
I find it hard to believe how many people still use the word “your” improperly. I wouldn’t mind Winston, the only way I’ll be disappointed is if we chicken out and trade out of the pick…unless the trade moves us to the 2 spot somehow.
What bugs me is how narrow the minds are of the Winston side of the debate. A lot of the big time supporters think the guy does nothing wrong on the field, which is wrong.
February 16th, 2015 at 12:40 pm
@ Couch
At least the other half of the SEC games they play against each other. If FSU played in the SEC they would have been 7-4 at best and Winston would only be getting half of the talk that he is
FSU only played 1 really good team this year and got slaughtered by Mariota and his Ducks
February 16th, 2015 at 12:48 pm
LOL JOES YOU GOT SO CALLED OUT ON THE MATT RYAN REFERENCE. LMMFAO
February 16th, 2015 at 12:53 pm
Leonard Williams or trade down.
February 16th, 2015 at 1:00 pm
@Luther
this is all I could think about when I saw BuccanneerBonzai’s scouting report
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/75/ff/05/75ff0532adcfcf0b99d70999a5cdd4b7.jpg
February 16th, 2015 at 1:02 pm
@ Mob
Agree 100%
February 16th, 2015 at 1:09 pm
Joe – awesome how you managed to sneak TWO ridiculously long and unnecessary lead ins into 1 article.
“Mayock: “It’s not a good quarterback class.” Well – I guess that’s true – but only for the 30 teams who will not be getting Winston or Mariota. If you are the Bucs sitting at #1 with the choice of the 2 best QBs to have come out in the last 3 years – It is the best QB class EVER!!
February 16th, 2015 at 1:16 pm
Mr. Patrick, I agree that it’s very easy to build up great stats playing against terrible ACC teams. Maybe when Winston gets to the NFL he can play against Jacksonville every week
February 16th, 2015 at 1:18 pm
@BuccaneerBonzai
I really enjoyed your Winston and Mariota break downs. Spot on in my book. Well done!!!
February 16th, 2015 at 1:21 pm
Mike Mayock and all of the other “experts” know that this is a very weak QB class and that both Winston and Mariota are elevated because of it.
Like I said before, Just because a mule outruns a goat does not make him a thoroughbred
February 16th, 2015 at 1:21 pm
Scared to death of a guy that has never as so much as even been arrested, strange. The have been far worse players come out of college and do just fine in the NFL. This has gotten way out of hand.
February 16th, 2015 at 1:25 pm
Mr. Patrick, Marcus Mariota IS a Thoroughbred, while Winston is a Jackass
February 16th, 2015 at 1:28 pm
Bonzai – that is the most biased, one sided, inaccurate extensive breakdown I have ever seen of the top 2 QBs. You fancy yourself a real film analyst? Surely you jest.
– he is very slow going through progressions
– He’s a statue in the pocket as well. Bad instincts for moving around.
– consistently stared down his targets
– he isn’t nearly so accurate as people claim.
– has not had the opportunity to prove his leadership ability
– weakness in the pocket and scrambling. He cannot buy time
– seems to process things at a slow pace
Really? Seriously???? That’s what you see when you watch Winston play football? I will say it again. Surely you jest….
February 16th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
A large majority of scouts agree that Winston is the better QB. IF the majority of the Bucs scouts were to say Mariota was better after that film, then I could see how we did so terrible in free-agency last year.
Several prognosticators have changed their mocks based on film alone and Bonzai puts together that garbage. IF I didn’t know any better, I would think he was a closet Falcon/Panther,Saints fan.
February 16th, 2015 at 2:07 pm
@ MarshallU
LOL, alright, I’ll give you that one
February 16th, 2015 at 2:49 pm
Really? Seriously???? That’s what you see when you watch Winston play football? I will say it again. Surely you jest….
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No. He is very serious. Delusional because of his hatred for Winston but serious none the less. Forgive him for he not knoweth what he do.
February 16th, 2015 at 2:52 pm
Sounds like a tough call for our GM and Lovie, their futures and are team’s future are sooo riding on this pick. Hopefully, they do the correct due diligence on both of the QB’s on and off the field. Problem with all the trade down posters is, we plain and simple don’t have a top QB on the roster and there is not a sure fire #1 one in this draft, or even a decent one available in the free agent market. Both Mariotta and Winston, even with their perceived shortcomings, are far and away better than what we have, or what we could expect to get in F.A. Also, very tough to get value for the #one pick if you trade out of the pick for other picks, since other teams are hesitant to give up so much in one year to do so. Can we really afford to wait another year without a good QB? I almost wished we had the 2nd pick this year (Titans), which appears to be a better slot for trade leverage/value, since there will most probably be only one good QB left to draft at that point after we take one. Titans also already have a proven good, young QB on their roster in Metzenburger, so they don’t need one as deparately as we do. They also have the 1st pick of the 2nd round as well, dammit. I just hope the Bucs can find one hella of a lucky coin to flip before they do make the QB pick!
February 16th, 2015 at 3:53 pm
One does not simply judge a Qb on Raw college statistics. Surely you judge them on there ability to lead a team of men. Look at rg3, josh Johnson, colt Brennan. they can’t lead a team, yet unstoppable In college. the Man that leads his teams to victories and has the right amount of confidence and desire to win even when the stadium wants your head on a stick, is the better Qb/LEADER you fools. This isn’t madden there are actual emotions involved. Winston>Mariotta
February 16th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
You don’t want your leader of men to be somebody that badly needs to be led.
Boromir, Winston is not a leader you could trust your team with. Mariota is
February 16th, 2015 at 5:10 pm
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
February 16th, 2015 at 9:18 am
I would LOVE to sit down with Mayock to watch the tape, and point out what I see. I bet I could change his mind.
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Ridiculous comment. On tape, there is no comparing Winston to Mariota… ZERO. Winston makes more NFL throws and reads on one drive than Mariota does in an entire game. Simple as that. The spread offense gets a QB about as pro ready as the wishbone. Mariota might as well be named Rick Mirer because that is the kind of projection and prospect we are talking about. He literally has to LEARN the position. Say what you want about Winston and his INTs, it was the exact same number of INTs as 23 year old Glennon threw as a 5th year senior.
February 16th, 2015 at 5:18 pm
Derrick brooks would help raise this young man into the player he needs to be mr.patrick. Winston is but a cub, in need of some humble pie. Once digested he could be a Big Ben of Tampa minus the rape with an addition of crab-legs.
February 16th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
I find it interesting that Winston fans want to dismiss every allegation & behavioral flaw aagainst him but when it comes to Mariota….he is guilty of being incapable of operating from a Pro Style offense…..
How in the world do any of us know what he is capable of? He seemed pretty good running the offense he was given…..what did you expect from him.
How about lets wait until the Bucs evaluate his capabilities before we declare him a bust?
February 16th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
How is mariota a trusted leader of an nfl team and Winston not? There’s no facts to defend that
February 16th, 2015 at 5:33 pm
@Tampabaybucfan I’m not dismissing the allegations at all. I actually think the allegations are a money grab but that is debatable and several inquiries have come to the same conclusion.
I simply point out that Winston is the better QB on tape. If you don’t like the guy because you believe the allegations, that is totally fine and within anyone’s right. I’m seeing all these so called “armchair experts” saying that the film is wrong and Mariota is the better prospect. Bonzai even says he thinks he could “chance his mind”.
The stupidity here boggles the mind. If you don’t like the guy, just say so but don’t just make ish up and pass it off as analysis.
February 16th, 2015 at 5:37 pm
Let’s be honest most of Winston’s haters are just afraid of having a Qb with “swagger” they want the Qb that they would let there sister date and look good on a commercial. I only want a Qb that the players will respond too. Winston isn’t a criminal and he doesn’t do drugs plus studies as hard as anyone. Watch a video of the guy with his team mates, there like brothers. I’m warning you BUCS do not invest in mariota when he snapped the ball he only had 1 premeditated choice to make. Winston had a hand full of choices to make running a pro offense
February 16th, 2015 at 5:38 pm
@ Boromir
Winston is who he is and there’s nothing that Brooks, Lovie or anybody else can do about it.
Mariota is totally clean off the field and his teammates respect and want to follow him.Winston is a bad example for anybody to follow as he can’t even keep himself out of trouble.
Mariota IS a leader. Winston NEEDS a leader
February 16th, 2015 at 5:41 pm
@Luther
You must not have read any of my posts….I have never given any credit toward the Winston allegations…..but I do have concerns over the known facts about his behavior…..My point is exactly what I made…..Mariota deserves the benefit of Bucs discernment before declared incapable.
Many Pros say he is a project but has what it takes….Its all about time & I’m willing as a fan to invest some time on a project that pays off. Look how much we invested in Freeman without a payoff….
February 16th, 2015 at 5:42 pm
I’m sorry did Winston shoot someone and I didn’t hear about it? What allegations make a man this age so incriminated to the point he can never be a pro Qb?
February 16th, 2015 at 5:42 pm
@Boromir If I had a sister young enough, I would be very happy for her to date Mariota. I also would root very heavily for Tenn to draft him.
February 16th, 2015 at 5:44 pm
@Tampabaybucfan I have read your posts and you have been consistent but many have not.
February 16th, 2015 at 5:45 pm
If I wanted to hire a teacher for a elementary school I would pick Mariota, this is a football discussion is it not?
February 16th, 2015 at 5:47 pm
Anyone who even question’s Winston’s ability or potential character issues going forward is usually either called stupid or a hater or even worse a racist.
Is it possible for someone to be a skeptic….without being labled?
I have never called Winston anything…..especially not a racist…..I am concerned about the gamble with his behavior….I am also concerned about the gamble with Mariota’s skills transferring to the NFL……I actually think most fans actually come down somewhere in the middle like I do.
February 16th, 2015 at 5:49 pm
OMG! Mariota just beat 2 prostitutes in a hotel! O wait that’s tamp as beloved sapp. Lol Mariota fans almost abandoned ship
February 16th, 2015 at 5:56 pm
I originally wanted Mariota because I just love the way he just explodes on splash plays. After watching the film, all I could see were busted plays. I saw too many missed throws when receivers were slightly or tightly covered. When I saw Ohio State beat them and the way Mariota was on the sideline, that was the end for me. By Christmas, I was already in Winston’s camp but I just didn’t see the fire from Mariota and he just crumbled under pressure.
February 16th, 2015 at 5:58 pm
Some posters on the sight make stupid comments….but I don’t call them stupid….I just offer my opposing opinion.
Some posters on this sight make what I think are racist comments….but I don’t call them racists.
Some posters on this sight put non-factual information forward…I don’t call them liars….I simply correct the record with evidence.
The bottom line is….I don’t know any posters here personally, so how can I judge them…so I don’t.
For me, any coward can accuse someone while hiding behind an anonymous moniker. The accusers are usually the ones who lack strong character.
February 16th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
You know y’all trippin on Winston, he’s a good dude. I studied film many years and I know I would have Mariotas biscuits in the oven if I was still in the league. What did #55 do to have so many BUCS fans not trust my judgement? I’m in the hall of fame. Y’all fans? That’s a shame
February 16th, 2015 at 6:01 pm
At lease Derrick gets it..
February 16th, 2015 at 6:07 pm
@ Luther
I would caution you about making a determination on any player based on one game or in particular one play…..every player has highs & lows.
Many said they lost it for Winston when he fumbled backwards……rediculous!!!
Many lost it for Glennon when he ran out of bounds before reaching the first down marker.
Some are down on Mariota because of him coming off the field after the hit to the shoulder toward the end of the Ohio State game….
It is an easy trap to fall into….and I’m sure the Bucs will take into account the entire body of work….fans don’t have to…but should.
February 16th, 2015 at 6:10 pm
@luther
I also would like to say.. You’ve opened my eyes. Maybe I am a Winston fan I just don’t know it yet
February 16th, 2015 at 6:12 pm
Winston can’t lead a team anywhere if he’s suspended, benched or in jail. I can see it now, “The Longest Yard – The Winston Years”
The guy is a Turd. Get over it
February 16th, 2015 at 6:13 pm
What do you mean turd? Like.. Your really going there?
February 16th, 2015 at 6:14 pm
I’m taking my ball and going home
February 16th, 2015 at 6:15 pm
Tampabaybucfanny Says:
February 16th, 2015 at 6:10 pm
@luther
I also would like to say.. You’ve opened my eyes. Maybe I am a Winston fan I just don’t know it yet
@ Luther
Don’t believe it….
February 16th, 2015 at 6:21 pm
Hope you don’t mind putting allll your hope into my Winston 😉 watch us draft him. Choose your words very carefully he’ll be the Qb of te FUTURE
February 16th, 2015 at 6:36 pm
@Tampabaybucfanny I watched several games from both (at least 5 from both). I used the Ohio St game as a gauge of how Mariota acted when down. I would never make a decision based on one game.
February 16th, 2015 at 6:42 pm
@luther
I’m not tampabaybucfanny
February 16th, 2015 at 6:48 pm
same old story.
win, it’s in his name
#winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby
February 16th, 2015 at 6:57 pm
@Tampabaybucfan sorry…cut and paste…duplicating existing handles is…well…stupid. I don’ know why people see the need for that nonsense.
February 17th, 2015 at 12:01 am
@TBBF – it’s because some pretender is trying to masquerade as TBBF – and pretend he’s undergone conversion.
so, waddaya have to say about it @TBBF?
The Ohio State game is the one that solidified my decision to back Marriota. He dispelled being able to throw long balls…I saw 10, 20 30 and 40 yard passes thrown on the money – with an incredible release.
After my boys rode him down – hard – in the 3rd quarter…he was dropped right in his shoulder, but when he came back in he didn’t change his style…but he also didn’t embarrass himself or his team…he simply faced a better team with a LOT of depth on both sides of the ball.
His team rallied around him – and never questioned him – unlike what I saw from FSU.
February 17th, 2015 at 4:31 am
“His team rallied around him – and never questioned him – unlike what I saw from FSU.”
You do realize the FSU team rallied around Winston after being down by 18 against Auburn, and won.
Oregon rallied around MM after being down by 14, and lost by 22.
MM is a quality prospect, as is Winston, but these silly claims don’t help anybody.
February 18th, 2015 at 12:17 am
Um…Bill…I know this is a difficult subject for FSU/Kid Fameis fans. ..but the comparison was when all the marbles were on the table, in the biggest game of his career. You know, when Kid Faemis and FSU were humiliated by Oregon.
…to the tune of 39 points.
…and his team did NOT rally around him.
As a matte of fact, his coach had to actually threaten to “F-ing bench” him at one point, just to get his attention.