Jameis Watch: “Never Seen Him Look A Safety Off”
February 21st, 2015
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback ever to wear No. 5 in the state of Florida..
Jameis Winston isn’t just all smiles and quick answers and a ray of hope for Bucs fans. He’s a football player, a soon-to-be rookie quarterback with flaws, as is Marcus Mariota.
Joe recommends the video below. NBC Sports Network’s Brian Westbrook and Jon Ritchie, who together played a combined 16 years in the NFL, break down various aspects of Winston’s game.
They’re pro Winston, but Ritchie makes the point that he’s “never seen him look off a safety.” And they illustrate and discuss other aspects of Winston’s game pro and con. Westbrook sees a lot of Ben Roethlisberger.
The point here is Winston will be a raw rookie, and more likely his opening campaign will be a mess that steadily improves, rather than the Super Bowl that glory Roethlisberger found.
February 21st, 2015 at 10:06 am
Winstons has looked at plenty of safeties returning his passes….
February 21st, 2015 at 10:08 am
He’s a likable guy!
He could look like the next Montana today and the Idiot Squad will be in here saying he looked like crap. Bank on it.
February 21st, 2015 at 10:09 am
Touché joe. Can u send confirmation when qb s start throwing so I can put on nfl network
February 21st, 2015 at 10:09 am
When Winston said he planned on being in the Super Bowl next year, it made me wonder what other team was going to draft him. Lol, The Bucs are not close to being ready for that level of play.
February 21st, 2015 at 10:15 am
Doesn’t look em off because he is to busy staring at receivers.
February 21st, 2015 at 10:19 am
I thought Winston was pro ready
February 21st, 2015 at 10:22 am
Have to factor in the many talent mismatch games he played …WR’s NFL ready going up against average college DB’s…he should have stayed in school another year and worked on his QB skills. There is so much more than throwing up alley opps to wide open WR’s and TE. Nick O’Leary had a slow 40 time at the combine but was often wide open due to WR’s being covered
February 21st, 2015 at 10:26 am
The comments people make here are astounding, can’t wait to take a shot at a guy being considered as a potential number one overall pick lol so you guys know more than scores and ex players wow but I understand just as long as you realize you have no scouting or NFL credibility and that’s why your here on jbf with the rest of us
If they say they’ve never seen Winston look off a safety but he’s lost one fame in his entire career and might be number 1 yet and still the review from everyone is his issues are off fields not on field, you think they’ve ever seen mariotta look off a safety in that gimmick offense? Hell no and TT difference of the two is it’s pointless to say about mariotta because there’s a long list of things he hasn’t done that translate give why he has to throw at the combine
February 21st, 2015 at 10:30 am
Winston is more “pro ready” than Mariota, but if either he or Mariota are drafted and they start right away next year with the Bucs OLine as it is, neither of them has any chance to succeed and both likely bust. Winston gets confused by basic college defensive disguising of coverage, he’ll get eaten alive in the NFL without some learning. If either QB is drafted, it’s in the long term best interest for neither to see the field next year….which is why having a desperate, needing to save his job Lovie out there is not a good thing. He won’t care about the long term.
February 21st, 2015 at 10:35 am
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February 21st, 2015 at 10:35 am
bucs4lyfe….I predicted Winston would throw at the combine long before he said he was going to. My reason was that he’s too much of a competitor whether Mariota throws or not.
I soon as he says he’s going to throw at the combine, you get fans in here running him down for doing it.
Saying stuff like. “He’s only throwing because Mariota said he was going to
That just goes to show how much they actually know about this kid.
Again I said Winston would throw way before Mariota OR Winston ever said they would throw.
February 21st, 2015 at 10:40 am
“Winston gets confused by basic college defensive disguising of coverage,”
Most scouts say otherwise but you keep on posting if it makes you feel good.
February 21st, 2015 at 10:40 am
I agree that restraint needs to be used with starting our rookie QB……our line needs to gel and each of them have things to learn….pro-ready or not.
We need patience as fans….I think with either QB we have a chance to win….eventually….
February 21st, 2015 at 10:41 am
Not only is he not looking off, but he has a terrible fake hand off as well, But this is to be expected from a QB with 2 years of playing time and played baseball during the off-season. When was he going to work on Mechanics.
aAso noticed from the 2014 season is that no one looks off when the O-line gets penetrated like it did from defenses.
February 21st, 2015 at 10:42 am
So…he’ll be a “project”. Why does that sound familiar?
February 21st, 2015 at 10:43 am
Well, the Winston lovers will not be convinced that there is any flaws in his game. SMH. Then there ate some Mariota lovers who have to paint Winston as the biggest crook in Tallahassee….. Wrong, that title goes to Rick Scott!!! Then there is the fans who are still evaluating both QBs and leaning one way or the other and just want the Bucs to get the right guy and start improving.
February 21st, 2015 at 10:43 am
@87
+1 Idiot Squad …
I lol’d
February 21st, 2015 at 10:43 am
The Buc Realist Says
“Not only is he not looking off, but he has a terrible fake hand off as well…”
Both of these are things which Mariota excels at, yet he is considered more of a “project”?
February 21st, 2015 at 10:45 am
87ForWinstonNOMariota Says
“bucs4lyfe….I predicted Winston would throw at the combine long before he said he was going to. “
But wait!
Wasn’t it you that said Marcus Mariota WOULD NOT throw at the combine? As I recall, the word was “coward”.
February 21st, 2015 at 10:47 am
Luther Says:
February 21st, 2015 at 10:40 am
“Winston gets confused by basic college defensive disguising of coverage,”
Most scouts say otherwise but you keep on posting if it makes you feel good.
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Uh yeah they do. Seriously do simply only read the “Pros” section of any analysis of him? Of course you do, you wanna draft him and will ignore all the cons about him as a QB (not even counting the off the field). This is a very flawed prospect, and only the desperation NFL teams have for QBs are why either he or Mariota will go in the top 10. If this were 2009 with no rookie cap, neither goes in the top 10 and that’s guaranteed. You’re giving $60-80 million to either of these guys? Yeah I didn’t think so.
Go look at a good 6 of Winstons INTs last year (so 1/3 of them). All came from dropping a linebacker into coverage late, which is a very basic tactic in the NFL. What’s gonna happen when good defensive co-ordinators can really confuse him? He needs time to learn how to win in the NFL with his mind and not simply his arm talent. He gets Jay Cutler comparisons for the recklessness in which he throws into coverage, trusting his arm to get it done (like Cutler). Thing is, that doesn’t work in the NFL without a super elite arm like Aaron Rodgers.
February 21st, 2015 at 10:48 am
And 87, if Winston has a bad showing, you can bet the shoulder thing will be blamed. He set up his own excuse yesterday, just to cover his bases.
Even though he has not played baseball recently.
Mayock said it is a common injury to baseball players (active ones) and older football players. It’s the “older” football players thing that threw me off. He hasn’t even been drafted and he is already showing signs of wear.
Just another red flag.
February 21st, 2015 at 10:48 am
I’m not sure what he’s looking at. He’s looked more Safties off than almost any othe college QB ever. Marriota has never looked a Safety off.
February 21st, 2015 at 10:49 am
Congratulations Joe for making a home for people who have no clue they are not coaches GM’s and scouts and insist they know more about evaluating players than the ones who get paid to do it….. Didn’t know so many people watched game film but I get more than have if you follow the ball during games instead of looking at what’s going on around the player
February 21st, 2015 at 10:49 am
I love how everyone is a pro scout here and a quarterback expert.
The truth is that this regime has a very, very difficult decision and that is because their jobs will be on the line.
Simply reminds me of the scene from Indiana Jones and the Lost Crusade when the centuries old knight who guarded the grail warned:
“Choose wisely……”
Simple as that, glad it’s not my decision.
Despite what “The Kevin” says, there really are no haters on this site because he doesn’t understand what real “hate” is. Hate is probably what most of us have for ISIS. That’s a heckuva lot different that simply voicing opinions here.
I believe most will support whichever QB is taken. That being said, be it Winston, the scrutiny will be enormous and I’m not sure how much patience fans will have with him both on and off the field.
You listen to his interview at the Combine and he sounds like a “born-again choir boy.”
Like I said, tough decision.
“Choose wisely……”
February 21st, 2015 at 10:53 am
@buccaneerBonzai
A QB can still go thru all of his receiver progressions without “looking safties off” as the QB’s eyes are bouncing around from receiver to receiver. What coaches want to see is the QB’s helmet swing from side to side,
I would not say that Marita excels at it. He did a little more, but it was when his O-line gave more time in the pocket. It may not matter in Tampa if the O-line plays like it has the last 3-3 1/2 years!!!
February 21st, 2015 at 10:56 am
@Tom Edrington
There are “haters”. You can find them as they never post about anything about football, then proceed to insult everyone that is talking about football!
February 21st, 2015 at 10:56 am
These photos you keep showing of Jamies are very bad….its kind of funny you keep using the same ones. But thats him and he’s very animated.
February 21st, 2015 at 10:57 am
Time to remove your Crab leg stealing, bb gun shooting header, Joe. It’s getting old.
February 21st, 2015 at 11:02 am
That was a fair analysis.
February 21st, 2015 at 11:03 am
Is anyone listening to NFL Network comments about Winston? Say waht you want about the guy, he knows football.
February 21st, 2015 at 11:08 am
@Luther
I heard Winston when he was on with Kirwan. Kirwan was firing questions, and Winston was firing back lineups, audible and the play calls. It was very impressive. At this point If Winston has the dedication to clean up his craft, he is hands down the first pick in the draft!
February 21st, 2015 at 11:09 am
No QB should be expected to be perfect out of college. All if them will have growing pains and have to transition to NFL ball. This is why I say Mariota is JUST AS moldable as Winston. If you ask me, Mariota has more skills and athletic ability than Jameis. Having watched more of Winston’s games the past two years, I’ve seen poor footwork and decision making. He constantly throws off his back foot and as shown in this video, just throws it up expecting a WR to make a play.
I’ve also seen him throw a great ball in a tight window, where only his guy gets it. This is usually from a clean pocket where he had the time to make his reads and plant his feet. In the NFL, especially with the Bucs expected online, he’ll need to make sure his mechanics are consistent and his footwork is proper. Another concern is his windup. He doesn’t jeep the ball “high and tight” and often takes some time to “unwind” his throwing motion. He makes up for it with arm strength and nice touch on passes.
Ultimately though, he needs some tutoring and will have to work on these issues. It’s all teachable, no different than Mariota’s flaws being teachable.
February 21st, 2015 at 11:12 am
Trade the pick or draft the best lineman available, both Jamarcus Winston and Joey Mariota are too risky. Cleveland has two first rounders and are legends when it comes to screwing up. There are too many holes in this team right now to fill. The Bucs have the top pick in every round this year so can address the QB position later. Glennon might be a better bet now that there is a real NFL offensive coordinator in the building.
February 21st, 2015 at 11:14 am
Once you snap the ball in Tampa, the ONLY read is to Duck & Run. Ask McCown. Ask Glennon. For all those Bucs fans starving for a Franchise QB now, you are seeing a mirage in the making right now. So insanely desperate to turn a pile of heap into treasure, you force yourself to trick your own mind. For those who need to gratify their Fix now gravitate to Winston (who is in the Quadrant of Ryan Tannehill, Mark Sanchez, & Nick Foles) whereas those very patient Bucs fans are attracted to Mariota (who is in the Company of Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, and Philip Rivers).
Jameis Winston = Fewer Big throws + More Turnovers
Marcus Mariota = More Big Throws + Less Turnovers
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/12/31/mariota-vs-winston-by-the-numbers/
I’m patient, and I can wait for Mariota. But still go with the Florida product and pick Williams. “I try to pattern myself after a lot of things he (J.J. Watt) does. If No. 1 is the spot, I would love to be there.”
February 21st, 2015 at 11:15 am
Hey people of course college QB’s throw off one foot. I love how everyone thinks footwork and looking of safeties can’t be taught. Some of you in here are truly BEYOND clueless
February 21st, 2015 at 11:18 am
I think more NFL teams will want to incorporate spread concepts given the success of the Eagles and Seahawks. I suspect the Bucs are one of those teams. If true, then this totally changes the argument on which QB is pro ready.
February 21st, 2015 at 11:20 am
If all QBs were ready to go, then teams wouldn’t need QB coaches. The game is constantly evolving and different types of athletes are making their way onto the scene. It’s much easier to teach kids how to be a QB nowadays than it is to teach a QB into being a man.
My BIGGEST concern with Winston is his off field issues. For a player who was involved in rape allegations (whether true or not) he should have walked a fine line afterwards to stay out of trouble. Or better yet, done more to bring a POSITIVE spotlight on himself. The crab legs incident can be let go too. But when you combine the allegations, WITH the crab legs thing, HE STILL was bringing negative spotlights by jumping on a chair and yelling an offensive, obscene (albiet hilarious) sexual saying that could be construed as relating to his case.
If he is too dumb to realize this would come to light after all he had been through, he is too dumb (lacking common sense) to stay out of trouble off the field when he THINKS no one is watching.
It does not matter how great of an athlete, leader QB, or winner you are if you are not ON THE FIELD (due to suspensions). If you thought losing Freeman and essentially wasting time with him was bad at the 17th pick, imagine how severe a 1st overall pick being a bust can set this franchise back. The distractions ALONE would be enough to ruin focus and game planning at the NFL level.
February 21st, 2015 at 11:23 am
I thought Mariota was more athletic? He’s as flexible as a rock. Mariota wishes he could do the things Winston can. Like a game winning drive in the last minutes of a championship game, striking out the best hitters in the ACC and then throwing said hitters out at third as a right fielder. You can have Mariota’s 40, I’ll take Jameis’s athleticism! Did you see that shoulder flexibility on Winston?
February 21st, 2015 at 11:23 am
@Realist people here think the kid is a dummy and will be a bust. It amazes me how people let their personal feelings get in the way of what they actually see on the field.
February 21st, 2015 at 11:24 am
Lol. I re watched Winston in the rose bowl and he moves lbs and safeties off coverage with his eyes on a few plays easily; some where Herbstreet literally made a comment about it in the game live. Dumb.
February 21st, 2015 at 11:24 am
Anybody hear the combine about Winston. Mariucci said Winston is smartest QB he ever met with. He answers questions so astutely that he sees and answers the next question before they can even ask it. Mayock said thats what he’s been hearing to. LMAO
Welcome to Tampa Jameis!!!
February 21st, 2015 at 11:25 am
Any of you haters ass mofos catch the WINSton one on one with Steve Marriuchi yesterday? Claims he is the best he’s ever dealt with at the combine when it comes to the Xs and Os board. Telling,wonder why he didnt have a session with the other guy?
February 21st, 2015 at 11:25 am
Finally someone is speaking the truth on this guy.
Cannot look a safety off. Makes horrible decisions.
But all you biased idiot morons swear he’s the next coming of Montana or manning.
You all are idiots. You all make yourselves look like complete morons.
It’s like you all started watching football yesterday because most of you know nothing except what ESPN tells you.
Go hang yourselves and stop breathing my air.
February 21st, 2015 at 11:28 am
@Couch I saw that. I can’t wait for that kid to get his hands on our playbook. 5 years from now, we will be very happy we drafted him.
February 21st, 2015 at 11:29 am
We are so close to being relevant again with the possibility of Winston I can hardly stand it. A real QB means we are automatically competetive again. Just the opposite of 2014 when putting McCan’t behind center meant we are not trying to win football games. The biggest decision in franchise history since parting ways with Gruden.
Don’t screw it up Lovie.
February 21st, 2015 at 11:30 am
No matter who they take in my opinion Mike Glennon gives us the best chance to win this year. If we make the playoffs you play him again next year. Draft a young qb for insurance. Mike Glennon is going to be better than an veteran qb available in FA……he had been in the league long enough and with koetter this should be his year.
It would benefit both him and the organization in the long run
February 21st, 2015 at 11:34 am
TheKevin is back with his compulsive sideshow. Replete with “idiot moron”, “idiot” and finally “moron” blasts, only to complete it with a “go hang yourself” because I disagree with you about the the draft suggestion! This guy is pure gold.
February 21st, 2015 at 11:36 am
Pat Good post
“Duck and Run” RoFL Thanks for the pun?
February 21st, 2015 at 11:40 am
@DallasBuc I was listening to big dog yesterday and he had the nerve to say that Winston supporters are far worse that Mariota supporters. While supporters on both sides have had their moments, Mariota supporters have been way more insulting with name calling and out right racism for a few of them.
February 21st, 2015 at 11:42 am
TheKevin- do you come on here when your mommy lets you use her iPhone after you’ve eaten all your peas n carrots or do you steal it out of her purse while her “new friend” is balls deep in her poop chute?
February 21st, 2015 at 11:50 am
Luther- that guy who I am not allowed to name “as far as that’s concerned” is about as immature as TheKevin and will say anything to be right about his position on an issue. His show has declined precipitously in the last 5-7 years. Just doesn’t recognize how little sense he makes anymore when he takes his staunch and combative positions. Kinda sad.
February 21st, 2015 at 11:52 am
Mariota does it good though….so him and Winston both have different concerns yet equally concerning
February 21st, 2015 at 11:54 am
Luther …and half of them make the most idiotic comments. It’s a great group to be lumped in with. The Mariota Mob.
February 21st, 2015 at 12:05 pm
The Mariota Mob may not want to read the Tampa Tribune this morning quoting Bruce Arians at the combine. “You’re a QB who ham ever called a play in the huddle and never used a snap count…they hold a card on the sideline, he kicks his foot and throws the ball. Sorry but that ain’t playing QB! There’s no leadership there….he is light years behind.” Wow, so a top NFL head coach just gave you his assessment of Mariota. All you Mariota lovers better hope Arians is a complete moron if he gets drafted by the Bucs.
February 21st, 2015 at 12:05 pm
Sad part is, Mariota does not deserve these kinds of fans. Mariota is a gerat kid who I really like a lot. I just think Winston is the better QB.
I was listening on Thursday where one guy was yelled off the phone when he disagreed and I thought the guy made very good points and was very respectful about it. Bottom line is don’t call in if you are a Winston fan unless your name is Joe or Derrick.
February 21st, 2015 at 12:14 pm
@Luther
That is normal of him to do to anyone that calls in and doesnt agree with his perfect opinion. He talks to you and then over you when its your turn to talk then he’ll abruptly hang up so you never get a change to respond. It’s why I stopped listening. At first it was funny but then its just gets pathetic.
February 21st, 2015 at 12:16 pm
chance to respond*
February 21st, 2015 at 12:25 pm
Its true Winston throws off his back foot and cannot see so he squints and throws to the defense…He would be a decent back up in the NFL
February 21st, 2015 at 1:15 pm
Winston has looked off safeties plenty of times. A pro passing offense wouldn’t work if he couldn’t!
February 21st, 2015 at 1:40 pm
What did Hodge say about Winston’s throwing motion? Missed his segment .
February 21st, 2015 at 2:01 pm
@I can pick and point plays where Winston looked safety off against Oregon, and that is just one game. WTF are these guys talking about?
February 21st, 2015 at 2:18 pm
He does have some rothlesburger traits. Lol
He’s great when his 1st receiver is open lol
Slower than glennon lol
Mariota or trade the pick. 87 is gonna need a hug come draft day
February 21st, 2015 at 3:00 pm
Can our QB coach from the college ranks teach either Mariota or Winston to dissect coverages? I hope so. I mean im not sure but does the guy have any coaching experience in the NFL? Because he’s going to have his hands full teach pro level mechanics to one of these two(especially Mariota).
February 21st, 2015 at 3:27 pm
@dallasbic
How was your chicken nugget lunch and nap?
February 21st, 2015 at 3:48 pm
I totally disagree with this mumbo jumbo. Winston is about as pro ready as they come coming out of college. If RGKNEE, Cam Newton, Big Ben, Wilson and others can have huge success as rookie and also make a crap team into a playoff team, then there is no way Winston can’t do the same. I think the second that we draft Winston we instantly become a playoff team, especially when teaming him up with the best OC we’ve ever seen in Tampa in Dirk Koetter.
February 21st, 2015 at 3:54 pm
^^^Oooohhhh…burn dude. I certainly can’t handle your quick-witted retorts!
What?…you’re not going to hit me with an “idiot” or “moron” insult and suggest I hang myself because you are clearly so much smarter and well thought out than me? I am sure you make your mommy so proud!
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:46 am
Kinda sad… as Bucs fans go, losing has that effect.So negative.
Doesn’t matter who we draft at number 1, my friends and I are excited about the upcoming season. we just wanna win. we root for whoever is starting. 99% of the comments on hear are attacking. Attacking the team, attacking the likes of purveyors such as Joe, to attacking each other. where’s the positives for our beloved Bucs? I’m sure you all want confetti dropping in there heads in the big game! Show some support. No man should ever play wit another man’s money! Give L&L time. Give the players time.
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:40 pm
You guys making excuses for Kid Fameis, doesn’t mean a thing to us, or the Buccaneer staff that has watched ALL of his film.
The reality is, Fameis knows his offense…yet, he’s NEVER read a defense. He picks ONE of the route progressions and he decides who gets it when he walks to the line…that’s what they mean when they say Fameis doesn’t “look” a safety off.
See, if you can’t do that, it means you’re guessing. You know how anyone with EYES knows he’s guessing and predetermining WHO he throws to on every play? …the number of INT’s you throw.
…it means he guessed wrong.
Kid Fameis TD’s dropped by nearly HALF, while his INT’s DOUBLED – in his SECOND season…and it’s not like he had some tough defenders to play against in the ACC.
He’s at the EXACT same point as Mariota in his development. He doesn’t read defenses, he throws INT’s in the first half, he;s told to tighten up at half time, then he throws to his checkedown/hot read in the second half.
Because his TD production dropped in half in 2014, and his INT’s DOUBLED…it kind of proves to those of us who NOT biased by an in-state fanboy following – know it means opposing defensive coordinators learned to effectively BAIT Kid Fameis into throwing to the wrong spot…
If the ACC defenses can do that…imagine what the NFL will do to him.
He is most definitely NOT – in ANY WAY – “NFL Ready”…
Again, ANY who think that this team is INSTANTLY better because they drafted him 1st overall…either JUST started watching football, or doesn’t know their arse from a whole in the ground…