Jameis Watch: Johnny Fallout
February 5th, 2015
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
Check out the excellent NBC Sports video below featuring Princeton man and former NFL offensive lineman Ross Tucker, Mike Florio and current Ravens defensive tackle Chris Canty talking about the risk-and-evaluation element of the Marcus Mariota-Jameis Winston debate.
They dive into how Johnny Football’s pre-draft, choirboy act, followed by his subsequent poor play (albeit for just six quarters) and meltdown, will affect Winston in extraordinary ways.
Will Winston crack under extreme scrutiny?
Enjoy.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:10 am
Totally different player and even football personality
February 5th, 2015 at 11:14 am
Get the guy who can play; we already have two guys that are great people, but have on the field issues, and we finished 2-14.
Plus Manziel’s and Gordon’s off-the-field issues dwarf those of Winston.
Probable drug problems > minor bb gun, shoplifting, swearing incidents.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:14 am
Lord help us. A Jameis AND Johnny post rolled into one. This site is about to crash.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:15 am
The most important quality in a qb is character… how hard does he work, how is he with teamates, how does he respond when things go wrong ect….
I am torn on this selection. The truth is , you don’t know how winston will act and react. Look at freeman…. all around good guy with no red flags. Once he had some success , what happened? No way to know all the varibles
February 5th, 2015 at 11:19 am
Manziel’s biggest problem doesn’t apply to Jameis (and no, it’s not alcohol). Jameis is still emotionally immature but he’s not quite the same risk.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:19 am
Sadly I think they bucs are gunna draft Leonard Williams
February 5th, 2015 at 11:20 am
mike n
Yes, character and work ethic are extremely important, but the most important quality in a qb is whether or not they can play the game. Whether or not they can throw the 10 yard out across the field with a guy draped all over him. Whether or not he can distinguish that a defense is in a zone when the pre snap read is man……if character was the most important issue then mother theresa would’ve been a 5 time super bowl qb
February 5th, 2015 at 11:21 am
Mike, the most important quality in a qb is how effective he is at GETTING THE BALL INTO RECEIVER’S HANDS.
If the most important quality is Character, then the Pope would be a Starting QB.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:21 am
I just read an interesting article that critiqued a mock draft of who the Jets should select with the 6th pick. The mock had Mariota falling to the 6th spot where the Jets selected him. But for the same reason the ‘mock’ said Mariota would fall -that it is very questionable if he can transition to the NFL – this guy said he still would not pick Mariota at 6 even with the Jets being as desperate as the are (like the Bucs) for a franchise QB. The reviewer believes the Jets already took a chance on a QB with identical skill sets as Mariota in Gino Smith.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:25 am
I don’t hear people talk about his leadership qualities like they should. He has the best leadership qualities I’ve ever seen in a Qb coming out of college.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:33 am
Mariota all day everyday, I love the sound of that. Do the right thing Lovie, take Mariota he can be our face of the franchise for a long time, someone we can be proud of, Someone who can bring us back to respectability. Stay away from the letter J!! Johnny Football, Jamarcus Russell, Jameis Winston.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:35 am
I find it so hard to believe that many of you can’t understand how what happened to Johnny Football is going to affect Winston. Nobody is saying the two have the Same problems……..Just that they both have problems and Winston is a potential First overall. Johnny didnt go til 22nd. Winston will be the most scrutinized person EVER to enter the draft. If he passes all the tests then by all means take the chance. I don’t get paid to make those decisions
February 5th, 2015 at 11:42 am
@gatrbuc17,
For a Seminole hater that was very well said. I feel the same way about Mariota as far as his skill set goes, or neither if they don’t measure up. BUT, the only thing that scares me is that we have witnessed Lovie personnel selection ability, and that is friggin frightening
February 5th, 2015 at 11:43 am
Winston has performed all season long under intense scrutiny. The whole world wanted to see jameis fail because most listen to media and believe he is a rapist. His season culminated in 5 come from behind wins and just 1 loss in the playoffs. He did not and will not crack. These interviews will be easy for him. All this will do is making him stronger. I can’t wait for him to be a Buc and lead us to championships!!
February 5th, 2015 at 11:43 am
@bucforever….
great point but freeman, johnny, jamarcus, leaf, jeff george, and every qb ever drafted in the top 20 could put the ball in the recievers hand. All had all the tools, all had great arms…. The problem was charcter/ work ethic attitude ect… Not physical abilities
February 5th, 2015 at 11:44 am
@ gatrbuc17
I read your post about your poker friends……I also have two different poker groups…alll are fans of other teams…and all immediately said we should take Mariota….no hesitation….they thought it was a no-brainer…..when you take this issue out to the general publc of sports fans it is clear cut.
I have already stated that I will support Winston if he is selected…It will mean he will have passed all of the rigorous tests the Bucs put him through.
Like it or not….the recent troubles with Warren Sapp & now FSU’s Letroy Guion will impact the Winston decision….every off-field NFL issue past and present will weigh heavily on the process….it’s simply human nature.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:44 am
why dont you just start another website called Jameiswinstonfan.com? he’s not a Buccaneer yet. and maybe never will be!
February 5th, 2015 at 11:45 am
Almost forgot the most important J of all!! Josh Freeman also number 5 it’s a bad omen.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:47 am
I never heard of Jameis partying in excess. I get why but its not fair to compare them in that sense. It’s almost borderline ignorant. Why not compare their play in college or their heisman seasons. Similarities in their mechanics. The time and effort they both put into their game. Things like that would be make for a much better football discusion. Oh wait that dosen’t fit the image that the national media is trying to paint for Jameis. Stop trying to put Jameis in this wild partying potentially substance abusing tier with Johnny Football. It really detracts from making comparisons that are more relevant.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:48 am
@Tbbf…………Yeah I got rode pretty hard about posting that yesterday by all the Winston Groupies. I was merely stating fact. If you get out of the state of Florida you won’t hear 5% of the people you ask say we should take Winston. That is just fact but it somehow makes me a “Hater”
February 5th, 2015 at 11:50 am
In fact I hang out at a site that is all NFCN and NFCS. Ive asked everyone there I know and I got one that said Winston and he is from FSU
February 5th, 2015 at 11:51 am
Of course he’s going to be the most scrutinized. He’s one of the most polarizing figures to come of college that I can remember. Will he crack? I say nope.
When has he ever cracked under pressure?
The kid is a bright young man with a 4.0 GPA in high school and 3.4 in college.
I think Jameis Winston wanted to be a show off amongst his college peers, and for what a gathered when looking into his past before college he was very well liked. He was always loud and craving attention, but never got into any real trouble atleast not anymore than the typical teenager.
I think if you want to find out how immature he really is, you have to go back further than college and delve into his high school days. When I did this I found this and most people on this site should read it. Haters and supporters alike. Because like I said, there is a real possibility that this kid might be drafted by our team. It might help some people understand why they picked him if it should come to that. So with that I give you this.
Google : How Do Folks in Jameis Winston’s Hometown See Star QB Now?
February 5th, 2015 at 11:55 am
gatrbuc17 says :
“If you get out of the state of Florida you won’t hear 5% of the people you ask say we should take Winston. That is just fact ”
Of course you have statistical proof of this right? Unless you do it’s still an opinion.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not attacking you. Just stating what is fact and the fact is you just made that up. 🙂
February 5th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Everyone I talk to in this part of the country wouldn’t even consider taking Winston. That being said I am not sold on Mariota. I say take Williams out of USC or even trade back and grab Scherff from Iowa, and grab Petty later in the draft. Roll with Glennon for a year and reevaluate.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Can’t believe people think Shameis was shooting at squirrels and did $4000 in damage? He was aiming at windows, no one is that bad a shot! Freebies at Publix, he’s a thief! No one would put their job on the line to give free food to an entire team! More lies more red flags!
February 5th, 2015 at 12:02 pm
oh 87, I’m sure it’s true. Most of them probably still think that he took money for signing autographs and probably half of them will say he’s under investigation for point shaving.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:02 pm
“If you get out of the state of Florida you won’t hear 5% of the people you ask say we should take Winston. That is just fact ”
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All these people, do they base their opinion on actually watching the two QBs in question or do they just go by what they hear? Very fair question considering its pretty clear a lot of people are just bias against Winston because of the allegations. Of course it doesnt really matter right? As long as it fits what ever you are trying to sell.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:10 pm
Winston doesn’t crack under pressure? Really? Did you not see the temper tantrums and screaming outbursts he was having on the sidelines of the Rose Bowl when Mariota and his Ducks were confusing him with coverages and kicking his butt? The guy came totally unglued
February 5th, 2015 at 12:11 pm
@ Couch Fan & 87
I don’t think either gatrbuc17 or I are suggesting that the sports fans we have encountered have done any research on the two QBs…..it is simply public opinion…and that could change depending on positive Winston media reports between now and the draft.
I think that all of the publicity on the NFL this year regarding bad behavior of any kind has shaped their opinions.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:13 pm
jameis has no common sense or humility
who gives a dang about anything else when he either won’t be on the field because of issues or when he is on it trying to put the team on his back throwing the int’s.
he has bust written all over him. maybe not for a team like the pats with an o line, stout character models and a coaching crew that demands respect…
but for a loser like tampa with none of those things he will be jamarcus russell 2.0 at the worst and josh freeman at the best.
just say no.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:16 pm
Winston doesn’t crack under pressure? Really? Did you not see the temper tantrums and screaming outbursts he was having on the sidelines of the Rose Bowl when Mariota and his Ducks were confusing him with coverages and kicking his butt? The guy came totally unglued
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you think maybe the coach told him no? maybe he does not understand or like that word
February 5th, 2015 at 12:17 pm
Neat article! Thanks 87
February 5th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
Winston doesn’t crack under pressure? Really? Did you not see the temper tantrums and screaming outbursts he was having on the sidelines of the Rose Bowl when Mariota and his Ducks were confusing him with coverages and kicking his butt? The guy came totally unglued
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Lol you do love to exaggerate don’t you. Yes he was upset and clearly trying to get his point across in a loud manner. Considering his TEAM was being destroyed and the fact he really wanted to keep his record undefeated, he had every right to.
OH what a monster he is. You never ever want a guy that gets angry at losing on your team. That would just be awful. If only he could be like Mariota or McCown and cry like a baby when the game is over and we lost and cant do anything about it.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:30 pm
Can you see Winston throwing one of those 6 year old temper tantrums and screaming in Lovie’s or some other NFL head coach’s face the way that Jimbo let him do? That’s laughable
February 5th, 2015 at 12:30 pm
I don’t think either gatrbuc17 or I are suggesting that the sports fans we have encountered have done any research on the two QBs…..it is simply public opinion…and that could change depending on positive Winston media reports between now and the draft.
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Thats fine and all. But he is putting public opinion out there as fact and trying to use it as a debating tool. I’m simply putting it out there that you cant use public opinon as any sort of fact unless you consider every single thing involved. Glazers arent going to care about public opinion i guarantee you that. Like I said before, they will do there job and if Winstons skills trump his off field issues. they will pick him. Regardless of public opinoin. Why? Because they know like I know that the public will forget everything if he wins.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
Funny how people are always making fun of the Browns considering how they won more games last year than the Bucs have won in the last 2 years. Sigh…….
February 5th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
Someone should of screamed in Lovie’s face damn near every game last year. If you do a piss poor job you deserve to get called out on it. Again, not seeing an issue here. But aye, keep crying about it Lol. It’s entertaining to hear you stoop to such petty levels to get your point across.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
Patrick. I guess throwing for 350 yds is folding? You seriously dont know sh*t. The oregon ducks got handed that game by horrible goal line play calling turnovers at the worst times and a mediocre fsu defense. Half time the score could have been easily 28 -17 and 35 -17 if tgey don’t fumble driving 70 plus yards. Give me a break. You csn say oregon won but winston did not play horrible like you claim
February 5th, 2015 at 12:36 pm
@ Couch
Sorry, but this isn’t fantasy football or Madden it’s the real life NFL
February 5th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
@Couch
I agree….Glazers won’t be swayed by public opinion & public opinion can change drastically from day to day.
We are just making an observation as to what persons not involved think.
You would have to agree that all of the issues about off-field behavior in the NFL this year will impact the process significantly……perhaps not the final decision…but certainly the process….
I think that many Jameis avid supporters tend to minimize his issues…and many non supporters magnify them.
The one other thing that is not known is Mariota’s capability….that too will be discerend.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
Ahh again another informative fact by Mr. Patrick. I expect nothing less from you.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:40 pm
87…………..Why on earth should I take notes pictures and signatures to give YOU statistical proof. I have asked over two hundred people that Arent Bucs fans and I have gotten less than ten people that said they would lean Winston. That is a very good poll in my opinion. Showing YOU is the least of my worries. I only know what I have found out with much searching.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:44 pm
I don’t want Either QB. Funny how I dont see anyone calling me a Mariota hater.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:45 pm
@TBBF
It absolutely effects the process, I cant and wont deny that.. First and foremost they have to do their job and look into his background extensively. Much more so they a normal draft pick. I agree that he should be scrutinized as much as possible and I have no problem with that. I have no clue what they will find either. Thats why i dont worry about his issues because it will all unravel for the Bucs FO as they dig into it.
But finding out what Winstons background questions will be much easier than trying to figure Mariota’s on field questions.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
But figuring out Winstons background questions*
February 5th, 2015 at 12:52 pm
@ Couch
Sorry to be the messenger of reality. If you can’t comprehend how the nuts and bolts of the NFL really do work then I suggest maybe following cheerleading. The HUGE fact that a lot of people seem to forget is that the NFL, more than anything else, is a BUSINESS. Period
February 5th, 2015 at 12:53 pm
We need Jameis Wins-a-ton to be our #1 pick!
February 5th, 2015 at 12:56 pm
A business that profits off of winning and good teams. In the end winning is all that matters. If Bucs think the can win with Winston. He will be a Buc. Period. See I can do that to.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:05 pm
gatrbuc17…YOU don’t need to show ME anything. YOU can post all the non factual statements YOU want to for everyone to read and judge. YOU don’t have to provide proof and I can make stuff up too. People can judge whether it’s made up or not.
For instance I can just say most people in America think the girl lied.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:08 pm
Whatever bro. I hope you go back to normal after the draft no matter what happens. I liked you before alot more. Funny that you think I would need to lie to a bunch of people Ive never met to make myself look better.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:11 pm
@ Couch Fan
“But finding out what Winstons background questions will be much easier than trying to figure Mariota’s on field questions.”
I don’t agree with that….It seems to me that you could look at extensive tape….and a rigorous workout with Mariota to determine what kind of throws he can make…..and certainly determine if he has the ability to learn a pro style offense….
But….with a character issue…..you can only speculate will little degree of certainty about future behavior…..and future behavior is impacted by environment & circumstances……Bucs have no idea, for example, how a multi-year muilti million dollar contract will impact Winston….could be good….could be bad….???
February 5th, 2015 at 1:21 pm
I guess we can agree to disagree.
To me you look into his background, not to try to predict the future because thats impossible. Hell Mariota could get caught soliciting a hooker next week for all we know. You dig into his past to see if all the rumors are true. If he was the monster most are making him out to be then clearly he is not the guy for us.
But you can’t answer Mariota’s on field question marks with just tape and workouts. You need to see him in actual games doing the things expected of him in your offense. Workouts offer a little bit of insight not near anything you really need to know if he’s truely capable or not.
“you can only speculate will little degree of certainty about future behavior”.
That can be said of anyone, even people without character issues.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:21 pm
“I have asked over two hundred people that Arent Bucs fans and I have gotten less than ten people that said they would lean Winston.”
That’s a bold face lie!!!!!! There is no way you asked 200 people and got less than 10 Winston supports.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:28 pm
@Gatr
Your own poll you linked awhile ago refutes your public opinion claim. That ESPN poll of over 1 million people (Nationally – not just Florida) had at least 1/3 of the votes saying they thought Winston would be a Starter at worst and 8% of the votes had him as a pro bowler.
So almost 1/10 of the nation thinks he will be a top 10 QB in the league (i.e. Pro Bowl); yet you claim 5% of the country wouldn’t take him?
This was also on ESPN; a site that hasn’t really given much positive publicity to Winston throughout his career. I bet if they do more polls going forward it will tilt WInston’s way a bit more; especially if they follow the pattern of mock drafters.
A few months ago; about 90+% of mock drafts had Mariota 1st; and this week I’ve seen 10 with 7 having Winston #1.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:41 pm
“Winston? His fan base seems to have eroded to Florida State backers – and even some of those folks are tired of the constant controversy – and a few stray supporters elsewhere.
The NFL is backing away, according to several scouts and front-office people, with plenty of popular support. An ESPN SportsNation poll this week asked whether you’d want your favorite team to draft Winston if it needed a quarterback. With more than 10,000 respondents, all 50 states, plus the global vote, was no. The percentages: 75 percent against Winston, 25 for.”
ESPN….10/16/14
February 5th, 2015 at 1:43 pm
87
Are you Winston’s agent? Because with your undying affection, he needs to be paying you. Or maybe your Winston’s bromance?
February 5th, 2015 at 1:45 pm
What’s your point Tampabaybucfan? That we should hold dear to the sentiment of a poll ran almost 1/2 a year ago? (that even 25% still voted Yes for Winston anyway…)
That was around the same time Mel Kiper had Winston in the 20s on his big board due to the immaturity issues. He’s now back up to #1 with Kiper. Times have changed already and public perception will continue to change.
In the end none of it matters. Glazers/Light/Lovie will get to know Winston more than any of us or any random person voting on an online internet poll.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:47 pm
I have been following the comments on these articles for a while now and they are just absurd. People like Barry and Patrick are obviously biased and will never change their minds, no matter how many times that Jameis Winston is cleared.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:47 pm
@ Couch Fan
Here is something we can probably agree on…..the Bucs will likely weigh whether or not they can adjust their offense to fit Mariota skills (Koetter says that’s how he operates)….(hiring Bajakian)…..vs…..taking the chance on Winston’s off-field questions….\
So, even if they aren’t totally certain on Mariota’s capabilities in a pro style offense…the could still go with him.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:52 pm
I agree, weighing all options is the sensible thing to do. Personally I still wouldn’t take him at #1 regardless because of those questions. If they want Mariota I would hope they trade down first. We shall see what happens. Gonna be an exciting but extremely long 3 months.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:57 pm
@Tiny Tim. I have no need to lie to a bunch of people I have and never will meet. Every word I have said is true and there is no way that i could possibly care less what you think about me. You Winston supporters really crack me up. As Ive said before I don’t want Mariota either. How come Not ONE person has called me a Mariota hater.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:58 pm
I am so very tired of everyone stating the Rapist Winston has withstood and excelled despite the severe scrutiny he was under!! What a joke.
FSU and Tallahassee PD never questioned him once! He refused to answer any questions no matter who or where he was asked. His one act in the Title IX hearing was to ready a drafted statement written by the $600 an hour attorney who specializes in rapist college football players.
Winston will not be so lucky in the NFL. Roger will drag his sorry butt into the NFL Offices and will place him on the exempt list so fast you will not be able to say Greg Hardy!! Winston will be paid by any team who is brain dead enough to hire him.
For the last time…if Winston committed this rape in Pinellas County, he would be doing 30 years. The animals he rooms with videotaped the rape. If it was consensual all he had to do was show the video to any investigator and this would not be a question. He destroyed evidence. He destroyed the one piece of evidence that would prove his innocence….and/or guilt! He was shielded and protected by FSU, TPD, Jimbo Fisher, and the NCAA. If Winston was so hot, why no Heisman Trophy in 2014?
I understand the desire to win football games…but at what cost? What do the Buc’s do when Winston comes to Tampa and thinks because he has been shielded everywhere else he can rape another Tampa female? Has anyone considered the young woman who was forced to leave college and have her life ruined because the police and FSU failed to do what is required by law and by Title IX?
I agree the Buc’s need a QB. If Mariotta is not the guy with the #1 pick then trade down and get Bryce Petty. The Superbowl was an outstanding game four days ago and the Quarterbacks playing for each team were 6th round and 3rd round picks!
The Buc’s don’t HAVE to take a QB #1. If Mariotta can be coached (by the next HC) into being a franchise pick…go for it. Somehow, with Lovie not being fired…..chances are good the Buc’s will have a Top 3-4 pick in the 2015 draft!
February 5th, 2015 at 2:04 pm
How come Not ONE person has called me a Mariota hater.
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Just a guess but probably because nobody has ever heard you bash/criticize or anything else when it comes to Mariota. All I ever hear you talk about is why we shouldn’t draft Winston.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
“If it was consensual all he had to do was show the video to any investigator and this would not be a question.”
Greg Shiano your an idiot. Yes I said idiot. If they kept the video even if it wasn’t rape they could be expelled for taping it and face jail time as well.
My God this guy is the more clueless than mikeh the meth head.
February 5th, 2015 at 3:07 pm
Couch I think that you have selective reading. I have stated Numerous times why I don’t want Mariota. I don’t want the learning curve. I think it will take two yrs and then he will be good. I dont think that a team should spend a First Overall on a Project. i think they are both Projects therefore by my old school reasoning I wouldnt take em using the No. 1 Simple as that. The fact that you hear me against Winston more is simply because so many people are fevered over him. I would take Either of em outside the top 10 for sure. No. 1 overall though I think is too much of a risk. That is simply my opinion. Im just a General Contractor
February 5th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
@87. One of sane mind does not destroy evidence that could exhonerate them. And why are we beating a dead horse?
February 5th, 2015 at 3:33 pm
gatrbuc17 Says:
February 5th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
@87. One of sane mind does not destroy evidence that could exhonerate them.
For the last time, taping consensual sex was a violation. So, he deleted it. I’m sure if he had any idea she would lie about being raped, that he would not have deleted it.
If you followed the case, you would know that in her Code of Conduct complaint against Chris Casher (not the later one against Winston), her complaint was that Casher videotaped her.
Why wouldn’t her complaint have been that he watched her being raped and did nothing? That ALSO would be a violation, but, it was NOT in her complaint on Casher. Which is simply another part of the web of inconsistencies that have enveloped her entire story.
February 5th, 2015 at 3:47 pm
When you are as desperate for talent at QB as the Bucs are – and there are 2 very good QB prospects available – you do your homework and then TAKE THE QB!!!! Why is this even a debate? It’s like drafting 101. If based on draft position – you have a free shot at a legit franchise QB prospect – you take the shot. Duh….
There are 2 QBs who are legit franchise QB prospects available to be drafted this year. Both are better than any other QB coming out for 3 drafts (2013,14 & 15). Both are better than any QB projected to come out next year (2016). Bucs have the #1 pick. They HAVE to take the shot at a QB. No ifs ands or buts. Do your homework to the best of your ability and then take your shot.
Simple stuff here folks. Debating against this most elementary of premises is quite the fools errand.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:09 pm
@ Pickgrin
I absolutely, positively empahatically,completely, totally, utterly, perfectly, entirely, wholly, fully agree
February 5th, 2015 at 4:12 pm
You Winstonites need to look at what happened in the Vanderbilt case. The players there also tried to get rid of evidence, but the police did their jobs. They got hold of the phones and computers. The rapists are going to prison.
Same with the Indy police and the Colts McNary. Both departments did their jobs right away and didn’t care they were football players.
Tallahassee PD did nothing. What a lame excuse Winston’s buddies knew it was violation and deleted the tape. So they were stupid enough to know it was a violation and taped it to begin with (makes no sense, cover up).
They got rid of the tape because it showed she was not a wiling participant. Just like the Vanderbilt players attempted to cover up their rape. The big difference is Winston had help from the Tallahassee PD and FSU.
I hope FSU goes down like Penn State in the civil lawsuit. FSU and Tallahassee PD needs to be cleaned up. Toss out all the corrupt bastards!
I bet you Winstonites believe after stealing in Burger King he was “getting Freebies” in Publix. At least in Burger King he told the truth and admitted being a thief!
February 5th, 2015 at 4:57 pm
“Ernest T. Bass Says:
February 5th, 2015 at 4:12 pm
“At least in Burger King he told the truth and admitted being a thief!”
Do you even an iota of proof of this? I bet you have zero proof that he “admitted being a thief”
You probably think justice was served by sending Brian Banks to prison.
How about the bangup job the Durham police and SAO did in the Duke rape case?
I will be waiting on your shred of proof of any admission re: Burger King. But, not holding my breath, because I would wind up dying.
February 5th, 2015 at 5:22 pm
Can all sides of this agree that Winston has some character issues but the extent of those issues is in dispute pending more evidence?
It is likely we will never know the truth because of the incomplete investigation and the destruction of the tape. That is unfortunate for both Winston & the accuser. There will be a cloud hanging over both of them….perhaps forever.
February 5th, 2015 at 5:31 pm
From purely on the field, the grade for Jameis Winston is just behind Andrew Luck’s in the last ten years and there is nobody else in between,” said McShay
February 5th, 2015 at 6:00 pm
“The problem with quotes on the internet, is that you can never truly verify their authenticity.” – Abraham Lincoln
February 5th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
Crack under the scrutiny (pressure)? Please. PUH-lease.
This kid eats pressure for breakfast. He doesn’t break under pressure. He makes pressure. This is nothing to him. Guy was being called every horrible name under the sun, and had a perfect regular season. Please. Interviewing with some silly GMs isn’t going to make him shrivel up.
Child, please.
February 5th, 2015 at 6:22 pm
I agree. Greg Schiano, you’re pretty dumb, bro. Sorry man. Some people just born that way. No fault of yours. Just your role
February 5th, 2015 at 7:32 pm
@Celly
I guess not everyone is an expert in all things like you. Could you give us the privilege of knowing how we can all worship you since you esteem yourself to be a God?
February 5th, 2015 at 7:52 pm
I used to read most if not all sections on joebucsfan. Now, I find anything starting with crab legs stealing… Completely unreadable, repetitive, predictable, annoying. I don’t despise Winston, I just don’t need to read several months of unimaginative reporting. Report newsworthy info please or you have lost me
February 5th, 2015 at 8:55 pm
Tampabaybucfan Says:
I think that many Jameis avid supporters tend to minimize his issues…and many non supporters magnify them.
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Bingo!! We have a Bingo!!
February 5th, 2015 at 9:40 pm
Wow I’m amazed that Joe hasn’t posted this. On TV8 tonight they reported that Mark Dominik is ALL IN for Marcus Mariota. And he claims it has nothing to do with Jameis off field antics.
The “Rockstar” believes that Mariota is simply a better player.
I thought the “Rockstar” had cred here.
Now all of you Jameis lovers can get your panties in a wad and tell us how incompetent Dominik was and that his endorsement of Mariota is just another reason we should select Jameis. And btw I do not disagree with the fact that he made some incredibly bad decisions.
February 5th, 2015 at 9:46 pm
StPeteBucsFan Says:
February 5th, 2015 at 9:40 pm
Mark Dominik is ALL IN for Marcus Mariota.
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Just add that to the list then of reason why Jameis should be the pick.
February 5th, 2015 at 9:47 pm
reasons
February 5th, 2015 at 10:03 pm
@Pickgrin
just add that to the list then of reason why Jameis should be the pick.
Funny I thought I did that in my post. 🙂
Now all of you Jameis lovers can get your panties in a wad and tell us how incompetent Dominik was and that his endorsement of Mariota is just another reason we should select Jameis.
February 5th, 2015 at 10:08 pm
HA HA Trebeck!
I’ll play your game, you dog.
Give me The-rapist for $500.
February 6th, 2015 at 3:59 pm
i think there is a world of difference in the degree to which they care about being a pro.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:35 pm
Jameisisnotarapist Says:
February 5th, 2015 at 1:47 pm
I have been following the comments on these articles for a while now and they are just absurd. People like Barry and Patrick are obviously biased and will never change their minds, no matter how many times that Jameis Winston is cleared.
Once a criminal, always a criminal. #theCreepCrab #DolmanLawGroup #MorganAndMorgan