Final Bucs Trade Nets Two-Pick Jump
February 7th, 2015
Player trades aren’t too common in the NFL, but Tampa Bay has made plenty under the Jason Licht-Lovie Smith regime.
The Bucs love to pick up that red phone.
It started with Tampa Bay moving versatile offensive lineman Jeremy Zuttah to a new address and a starting job in Baltimore, in exchange for a 2015 fifth-round pick. Then mattress-in-the-yard, blade-in-the-thigh Mike Williams got shipped to Buffalo for a 2014 sixth-round pick. And the Bucs coughed up Tim Wright and a 2015 fourth-rounder to New England for barbecue-friendly Logan Mankins.
The Bucs also were busy at the October trade deadline, shipping Mark Barron to St. Louis for fourth-and sixth-round picks. And Jonathan Casillas got a dream relocation to New England — and his second Super Bowl ring.
The Casillas deal was closed out on Super Bowl Sunday.
Terms of the trade, per Adam Schefter of BSPN, were the Bucs dealt Casillas and their sixth-round pick in 2015 for the Patriots’ fifth-round pick in 2015. New England locked up the last draft-order slot as NFL champions, and the Bucs were tied with the Titans for the NFL basement. The net result is the Bucs only moved up two slots with that pick swap.
There also was an oft-forgotten, draft-day trade last season, one that helped the Bucs move up in the 2014 draft to have two fifth-round picks, which became guard Kadeem Edwards and tackle Kevin Pamphile. The Bucs gave Buffalo their 2015 fifth-round pick and a seventh-rounder last year.
Here are the Bucs’ 2015 draft picks:
Round 1 – first pick
Round 2 – second pick
Round 3 – first pick
Round 4 – 10th pick (from Rams)
Round 5 – 26th pick (from Ravens)
Round 6 – second pick, eighth pick (from Rams)
Round 7 – first pick
Joe expects more draft-day trading this year. Lovie Smith says the Bucs are “on the verge.” That’s not the comment of a head coach who has room for eight rookies.
February 7th, 2015 at 11:08 am
That’s already a decent lineup. If the Bucs pass on a QB and can find the right partner they might add to the list.
Again I would like to point out that OUR 2nd round pick is almost as valuable as a first rounder. The difference between players between picking 28th and 34th is obviously just six spots. After the top ten picks a six spot difference is not earth shaking.
Everybody is talking about how the Bucs will not have a trading partner to trade down and that could end up being true. But if the braintrust determines that neither Marcus or Jameis are worth the risk a team like Tennessee could swap first rounders with us, meaning that we would still get our pick of BPA and if they tossed in their second rounder it again would be the equivalent of a late first round pick. We could pick 2nd, 33, and 34 plus all those other picks.
Talk about a quick infusion of talent! This is only IF L&L are not sold on one of the two QB’s or would be willing to let Tennessee dictate which QB we get. We’d still have the opportunity to get either Marcus or Jameis depending on which one the Titans grab. If we think they are relatively equal why wouldn’t we consider that trade for an extra pick at 33?
February 7th, 2015 at 11:15 am
Joe….I have us with the first pick in the 3rd round….
February 7th, 2015 at 11:21 am
@ St, Pete
I suggested the trade with Tenn about a month ago and at that time Joe thought we would be stupid to do that,…..now he has since come around to my thinking…..If we are uncertain & divided on the QB….then why not get the extra pick & take sloppy seconds…..
Did I see earlier that you were in Broadcasting?….I spent 30 years in the Biz starting at WTVT
@Tampabaybucfan – Yes, Joe believes it would be stupid to trade down for being undecided, but smart to trade down and be assured of the QB you want, and score an extra pick. Big difference. –Joe
February 7th, 2015 at 11:29 am
You can add the pick for Glennon…….My prediction….#55……Arizona’s 2nd round pick….
Argue that all you like!!!
February 7th, 2015 at 11:33 am
If Tampa moved the 6th rounder with Casillas for the Pats 5th, how do you still have the Bucs having the #2 pick of the 6th round? That’s the pick that now resides in NE. It should say 5th round #32 instead of 6th round #2.
And they actually move up more than 2 slots. Once all the compensatory picks are assigned, I’m pretty sure they are added at the end of the round after the original 32 picks. Although the amount has yet to be determined, the Bucs have leapfrogged all of those compensatory picks at the end of the round as well….typically another 5-10 or so.
February 7th, 2015 at 11:35 am
You can have all the picks you want and in a high position too and still come up empty.
It’s the Buccaneer way.
Take Edwards and Pamphile for example. If one of these guys was properly scouted, coached and developed, we’d have a camp battle going on for a starting position.
Consider this, not one of the OL starters last year was drafted by the Bucs. Not one.
That’s unspeakable.
February 7th, 2015 at 11:37 am
@TBBF
Yeah I was in the biz and responded on that last thread. Also asked where you worked but now I see.
So there’s you and me and Tom Edrington who was a sportswriter.
Joe assembling quite crew of has beens. LOL
February 7th, 2015 at 11:38 am
Evans, Stocker, Martin and ASJ (when healthy enough) were the only starters on offense last season.
That’s how you spell 2-14.
February 7th, 2015 at 11:41 am
St. Pete
71-78 Tampa…..then Charlotte, Jackson, Wilmington, Greensboro…..
71-2001….
Andy Hardy, Salty Sol Fleishman
Bucs from the get-go
February 7th, 2015 at 11:49 am
Trade Glennon to Cleveland for their 2 round pick and we’ll have 9 picks in all .With some smart inexpensive moves in free agency and draft Jameis Winston at #1. We can take the other 8 picks and find starters and depth on both sides of the ball
February 7th, 2015 at 11:50 am
I realize the hot topic has been the draft, but I would like to see a little more free agency chatter and articles since that is coming up before the draft and will to some extent affect what the Bucs do when on the clock. I know there has been a couple of free agent articles but a few more would be nice. I know that there are other sites that have free agent break downs but it would be cool to see some free agent evaluations by positions of need here at JBF.
February 7th, 2015 at 11:58 am
@TBBF
Andy Hardy…now that is a blast from the past. LOL I am younger than you and SPBF as I am in my early 40’s but remember watching Andy Hardy reporting on the Bucs when I was young. I think because I became a fan at such a young age that I will always remember those early years with a bit of endearment.
February 7th, 2015 at 11:59 am
That’s a lot of trading for no improvement. The Barron trade was the best one, getting a 4th rounder back after trading for Mankins. Although, the Bucs original 4th rounder would’ve been a higher pick. The Zuttah trade sticks out as the one bonehead move.
February 7th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
StPeteBucsFan Says:
February 7th, 2015 at 11:08 am
Again I would like to point out that OUR 2nd round pick is almost as valuable as a first rounder
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Not even close. The 32nd pick is worth substantially more than the 33rd. Why? The extra year on the contract. Massive to most teams to have that extra year.
February 7th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
I still don’t understand why we’d trade Glennon for a 4th rounder. That’s all the market will bear IMO.
We know what we have in McCown… more so, we know what we don’t have in McCown besides $5M for a happy footed journeyman.
February 7th, 2015 at 12:14 pm
@bucrightoff
<i.Not even close. The 32nd pick is worth substantially more than the 33rd. Why? The extra year on the contract. Massive to most teams to have that extra year.
Certainly take your point but I’m not sure I agree about the extra year representing THAT much value. First of all…first round picks succeed/bust ratio is 54/46. It’s 50/50 in the second round..pretty much a wash.
And so it might be nice from a $$$ standpoint to be able to lock in a longer rookie contract but even that comes at a higher price than a 2nd round contract and so even the $$$ become a virtual wash.
Given that 50-50 ratio the single most important aspect is finding one of the 50% who can contribute. You can always deal with the contracts of winners…busts in either round represent a waste of money and picks.
My point is that the talent level has been picked over pretty well by the time you get to the 28th pick and the talent differential between 28-32 is not that great.
I’ve read that most draft folks believe the top ten is where you find the absolute impact players…after the top ten the crap shoot aspect of the draft increases exponentially.
February 7th, 2015 at 12:14 pm
I thought It was more like this..
1 1
2 33
3 65
4 110
5 166
5 171
6 186
7 216
O well
February 7th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
@Tampabaybucfan – Yes, Joe believes it would be stupid to trade down for being undecided, but smart to trade down and be assured of the QB you want, and score an extra pick. Big difference. –Joe
It is unlikely that we will be undecided….that would be because their might be conflict between Lovie, Licht, Koetter & Glazers…..but in the event we are….and we desperately want a QB (one of the two) it would not be stupid to trade down to #2 getting extra picks and one of the QBs.
If you are saying it would be stupid to be undecided…..I agree…
February 7th, 2015 at 12:22 pm
It’ll be slightly better than 2 spots due t ocompensatory picks.
February 7th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
Trades
• Buffalo to Tampa Bay: 5th Rnd (’14)
• Tampa Bay to Buffalo: 7th Rnd (’14)
• Tampa Bay to Buffalo: 5th Rnd (’15)
• New England to Tampa Bay: Logan Mankins
• Tampa Bay to New England: Tim Wright
• Tampa Bay to New England: 4th Rnd (’15)
• Tampa Bay to New England: Jonathan Casillas
• Tampa Bay to New England: 6th Rnd (’15)
• New England to Tampa Bay: 5th Rnd (’15)
• Tampa Bay to St. Louis: Mark Barron
• St. Louis to Tampa Bay: 4th Rnd (’15)
• St. Louis to Tampa Bay: 6th Rnd (’15)
• Tampa Bay to Baltimore: Jeremy Zuttah
• Baltimore to Tampa Bay: 5th Rnd (’15)
February 7th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
Well Biff, as usual you are the same positive self with all your anti Buc rantings.So the Bucs have no one on the O line that was drafted by the team.
wouldn’t you blame that on the past administrations?
As you stated, only 4 players on offense were products of Buc drafts.
Perhaps, as I have suggested earlier and often out here before, the Bucs need to revamp their scouting department.
Look at the Patriots. They get a FA named Butler who makes a Super Bowl game winning INT and we get Leonard Johnson who, although his heart and work ethic are in the right place, his skill set seems to be lacking to make it as a quality NFL cornerback.
Joe, is there anyway you can post a story of how the scouting department works and how the team selects thier draft picks and who has the final say if this is a disagreement.
February 7th, 2015 at 12:28 pm
LOL!!! Rodgers is blaming the field conditions at Raymond James for his calf injury as well as a shoulder injury in 2008. I guess we do have a home field advantage since I do not recall our players complaining about the turf. It does get pretty choppy though when there is back to back Bulls/Bucs games.
February 7th, 2015 at 12:56 pm
that has to be some kind of record for the worst return on trades in history
NE bent licht over 2 times, ended up with our 1st pick in the 4th and only lost 2 spots to get casillas, So they got 2 more than adequate back ups and better picks while we got an old bbq for millions.
February 7th, 2015 at 12:57 pm
@SPBF and TBBF………… I knew I enjoyed you guys’ posts for a reason. Grats on a Broadcasting career. You guys should know better than to ask Joe to admit his mistakes tho.
Sir, Joe publicly acknowledges his mistakes, but Joe will not admit to mistakes he didn’t make, which drives some of you folks batty.–Joe
February 7th, 2015 at 12:59 pm
This pisses me off.
So much trading for virtually nothing.
I’d be nice when you’re the worst f**king team in the NFL to at least have the first pick in each round.
Nope! The Sucs f**ked that up too!
#Joke
Go Sucs!!!
February 7th, 2015 at 1:00 pm
Dude, you don’t get to come on here and misrepresent Joe. There are no exceptions. That’s malicious. Period. –Joe
February 7th, 2015 at 1:07 pm
Bye. “Nice” has nothing to do with anything. Joe doesn’t expect nice. Babysitting comments for malicious content does not help Joe cover the Bucs. It wastes Joe’s time. –Joe
February 7th, 2015 at 1:17 pm
Well we lost out on Incognito to the Bills. Might be good, since we’re gonna have Winston here and those two together could be a community hazard.
February 7th, 2015 at 1:26 pm
In all fairness, I actually thought the Mankins trade would be better for us than it turned out. We obviuosly were desperate at the time for OL help and who knew that Mankins would under achieve? Hindsight is 20/20 for all of us in every choice we make in life. The biggest boneheaded decision in my opinion was trading Zuttah. I think he was solid if not spectacular, but that is just my opinion. I do not pay my bills by income from scouting rookie or veteran talent, so I will leave that to those who do get paid to perform those tasks.
February 7th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
We have 8 picks this year not 7. The 2015 pick for Williams we gave up to move up in the 2014 draft last year took us back to 7 but we’re now back up to 8 with all the early season trades
February 7th, 2015 at 1:54 pm
Joe, shame you don’t have one of those wooden pointers with the little black rubber tip. Quite useful for keeping the schoolboys in line.
Biff was frequently reminded by the Sisters of No Mercy that at times it’s best to be a nice quiet boy. One thing you didn’t share was how deadly they were with an eraser when enjoying a nap in class.
Decades later, Biff is still trying to get the chalk out of his hair.
Good times…. sort of.
February 7th, 2015 at 2:08 pm
Some trade that will not happen is Doug Martin. This draft is stocked with RBs up and down all rounds. Why trade for a Rb if you can have one in the draft. Unfortunately it may be the MG trade. If I’m Buffalo or St. Louis, the Redskins (yes I said it) Chicago, KC, Arizona, Cleveland, Dallas, Houston. I think there is a huge market for MG. I think it’s a shame we couldn’t protect. And we didn’t try and develop him better. Needs to work on % and deep ball. Not saying he’s franchise but could have won some games not his fault O-line and defense sucked.
February 7th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
Joe, you bare missing a pick.
Nope. Bucs traded their fourth-rounder for Mankins. Joe deleted your list. –Joe
February 7th, 2015 at 2:54 pm
Why trade for a running back period when one of the top 5 rushers in the league last year was on the street several times? In modern NFL football, running backs have less value than punters.
February 7th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
Start MG8 and pick up draft picks. Your Welcome.
February 7th, 2015 at 3:43 pm
All that trading around and what did we actually end up with?
– 1 extra pick in the 6th round.
– 1 o-lineman who doesn’t want to be here and played very poorly
– 1 promising tight end gone from the roster.
Not even mentioning all the failed FA moves… Let’s hope this offseason goes a little better! C’mon Bucs!
February 7th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
On the verge of going 6-10
February 7th, 2015 at 4:02 pm
Never trade with the Pats…more than likely it will always come out being a low pick in the round….
February 7th, 2015 at 4:56 pm
Tampabaybucfan Says:
February 7th, 2015 at 11:29 am
You can add the pick for Glennon…….My prediction….#55……Arizona’s 2nd round pick….
Argue that all you like!!!
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Cough, a second round pick for Glennon, cough. Are some Buccs fans that delusional? Hey, IF we can get a second rounder for Glennon then I’d be ecstatic. We will lucky to get back a third rounder for him.
February 7th, 2015 at 5:56 pm
Lol…
JOE
Next time time someone severely crosses the line you
should edit their post with “Well,…..bye.”
#Tombstone
February 7th, 2015 at 6:04 pm
@feelthepewterpower
There are few QBs and many teams looking for them……somebody (I think Ariz) will jump in the 2nd…..won’t wait till 3rd…too many takers there….
February 7th, 2015 at 6:37 pm
@TBBF, you invited me to argue the Glennon potential trade with Ariz. I would like to take you up on that. 2nd rd pick for Glennon? No way. That would be a coup for an original 3rd round pick. Glennon is definitely trade-able but I cant fathom anything short of a 4th rd pick or beyond.
February 7th, 2015 at 6:45 pm
P.S. Pull Ben Bishop
February 7th, 2015 at 8:22 pm
Cmurda
I would argue that wouldyou if you look up couple of years ago kolb got traded for a second round pick with less stats In 2007 Matt schaub got traded for 2secondround picksin 2009 matt causel got traded to the chiefs for a second swell as 2013 they traded for Alex smith with a second
February 7th, 2015 at 8:28 pm
dang, what’d i miss…lol
anyways, why the heck would the titans trade from #2 to #1? they might have 3 people ranked the same, or at least 2. they could stay with mettenberger and pick d-line. i just don’t see why especially with the cost of a 2nd rounder.
February 8th, 2015 at 2:46 am
In a dream world Chicago would jump to up to nab Leonard Williams at #1 overall to get the Bears back on track and Titans go Defense at #2 overall. Chicago would give 2015 1st 2nd 5th and 2016 2nd to move up.
Draft falls oddly enough in our favor.
1.Bears- Leonard Williams DT/DE
2. Titans -Randy Gregory DE/OLB
3. Jaguars- Shane Raye DE/OLB(Marcus PetersCB is my dark horse top 5 pick)
4. Raiders- Amari Cooper WR
5. Redskins-Brandon Scherff
6. Jets- Marcus Mariota QB
7. Bucs- Jameis Winston QB
We still get the QB we need and racked up 2 more valuable draft picks for 2015 and a 2016 pick that can be used as ammo to move back into the first round for a falling star. If only it was that easy!
Still we have Martin and Glennon who hold value for picks if need more to maneuver the board.
February 8th, 2015 at 11:01 am
wow superbowl here we come
February 8th, 2015 at 9:35 pm
BucIt941; I think the Skins would grab a qb if one is on the board when they pick 5th; no way Dan Snyder passes up a qb and goes OT/G if Winston is there for him to grab….
February 8th, 2015 at 11:16 pm
3 picks in the top 65 is huge. That’s hopefully 2 studs and a depth player if lucky. The other 5 picks can be used as trade bait to get other higher picks or moving back into the end of the 1st or 2nd rounds. I expect more moves, both player for player and pick for pick moves. We have so many holes to fill.
It scares me though because we had almost 30 new players last season and atleast half of them won’t be back this year. Whoever was behind all the selections last season (cough*Lovie*cough) hopefully they have less power and input of our changes this year. Allow our GM to “manage” our team and make the picks he feels are the best for our organization.
I have the strangest feeling, as long as Lovie is our HC, we will continue to be in a similar position each off season. High draft pick and lots of change on the roster. He has always been an average or below average coach. I hope I am wrong and we have an amazing year. But I doubt it with Loves…hope not
February 8th, 2015 at 11:28 pm
@lurker
I agree, I see 0% chance of Tennessee wanting to trade up to #1. They want to give Zak a chance next year and need to fix their D more importantly. Williams or Gregory will be their pick IMO. These scenarios make no sense to me. Tennessee, Jacksonville, Oakland can almost be guaranteed they won’t want to trade up for a QB. You never know what Daniel Snyder will do, and after leaving RG3 off their fan letter, they could be a possibility. The Jets are an option. The Bears are stuck with Cutler so that’s a no go. After that its up in the air. Cleveland could be an option if they don’t believe in Johnny. Obviously Philly is an option and most likely scenario.
Philly will always be my favorite trade option since I highly doubt Oakland would give up Carr for either one of these guys. Philly though would give us Nick Foles, who is a great QB, and a ton of draft picks, and possibly Shady as well. Crazy trades are rare but they do happen. I would love to have Foles as our QB and a ton of young studs this year and next year. We can not put all of our focus on 2015. We have to worry about 2016, 2017, 2018, and so on. And pick 20 could give us a new OT to build with.
The possibilities are endless right now. There is nothing better than having multiple options on improving your team. IF you use them properly…..