“Airtight” Mariota
February 22nd, 2015
Joe hasn’t lost sight of Marcus Mariota. What a fantastic prospect the kid is, outside of the charisma department. There’s a clear reason he will be a high first-round pick.
Mariota’s “buzz” didn’t match Jameis Winston’s at the NFL Scouting Combine, but there was still plenty for the Oregon quarterback.
Mariota love runs a little deep in Oregon, where they’re in disbelief that people question whether Mariota is a future NFL star.
Take the words of Oregonian columnist John Canzano this weekend.
In fact, it’s all I can do to keep from falling over laughing and kicking my feet at the ceiling when I hear people doubting Mariota.
The guy is airtight. He will be a pro success. In fact, the only question is how long into training camp it will take the team that drafts him to break into a giggling fit. And if the Eagles get him, they’ll laugh immediately, and from the gut.
Alana Mariota didn’t write to defend her son. Not her style. There was no mention of the NFL scouting combine. No mention of the questions about her son. No mention of the absurdity of a bunch of NFL scouts doing the equivalent of kicking the tires of a Ferrari, wondering if it can be driven fast.
There’s more in the column linked above. I just underscores how there no doubts from those who have seen Mariota regularly, including Father Dungy.
Don’t expect Mariota to make the Bucs’ job easy. Joe’s greatest fear is Winston and Mariota impressing so much that Lovie Smith wants to trade down for a massive bounty.
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:09 pm
We will regret it for the next 10 years plus is we pass on Mariota.
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:17 pm
I find it amazing that you can’t just say Winston is the #1 pick for the Bucs. Without adding that “Mariota is also good” or having to say that “I just want the Bucs to draft a qb with the 1st pick” so that all will feel comfortable. I’ll say it then without bias: Winston is the better QB!
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:18 pm
I’ll say it then without bias: Winston is the better QB!
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Agreed.
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:18 pm
We will be very happy for the next 15 years if we take Winston instead
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:21 pm
Winston is only choice.
id also like to see the bucs grab wr lockett. dude is a beast on returns and coverage.
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:28 pm
I will not type anything negative about Mariota’s game but I will say that Winston fits the Bucs more than Mariota does. This is a big team especially on offense made to grind and impose its will physically. If the Bucs were in a dome with a bunch of 4.3/4.2 speed recievers I would want Mariota. The Bucs will not regret picking Winston over Mariota if Mariota goes to any outdoor and or cold weather teams. To be successful he will need a dome team or the Eagles he’ll be a waste anywhere else like putting a 3/4 LB as a 4/3 DE just because he had talent. It’s the fit that matters
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:29 pm
Talent not withstanding…because they are both talented, but we’ve all read the Winston story before and we all know how it ends….see JaMarcus Russell, Johnny 8Ball, Josh Gordon, etc…all the red flags were there and the drafting ignored them, because the teams were desperate and that’s what desperate teams do. Don’t be desperate Rob Lowe…
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:29 pm
If we don’t take Mariota I won’t be mad, but I’m definitely gonna watch him play wherever he goes. He has a lot of talent, it’ll be fun to see how it translates to the big leagues.
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:30 pm
since so many snaps are going to be from the shotgun:
who is the better QB to sheme arround and to play arround in shot-gun brother? it´s Marucs Mariotta
theres also one of the two QB, with whom off the field, you don´t have to bother – who is it? yeah, Marcus Mariotta
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:32 pm
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February 22nd, 2015 at 3:34 pm
Newbucsfan, have you ever been to Eugene, Oregon, in the winter…seriously, that’s your argument.
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:34 pm
I find it amazing that you can’t just say Winston is the #1 pick for the Bucs. Without adding that “Mariota is also good”
Haberyeni
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:41 pm
That’s just it Mariota is good we need elite. Not a great athlete that can make plays on his own but rather a player that can and will stand in the pocket and fire the ball to our playmakers on time and accurately to allow them to do their thing. Then once in the 4th quarter (winning time) can lead those same playmakers to victory when everything around them is not perfect. Someone like. ..
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:47 pm
Winston’s “Ghosts from the past” will haunt and will get him out of the NFL<———–THIS WILL HAPPEN…….Winston will always do stupid things and ownership will tire and get rid of him, LOVIE and the GM.
The bucs need to draft Mariota…..PERIOD
If they pass on Mariota……..it will be another franchise mistake (steve young anyone???)
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:47 pm
Flmike just giving my opinion from the outside looking in, not starting an argument.
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:53 pm
Draft Winston, trade back up and get Benardrick McKinney
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:57 pm
No doubt the kids got potential. I just think he’s boring. I’m tired of a boring bucaneers offense. Even if he wins he’ll still make me yawn. Jameis brings excitement with his knowledge, play, and personality.
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:59 pm
Awwww…let’s face it…no one knows for sure if one or the other prospect will pan out. We are just filling in the blanks as best we can. April 30th cannot come soon enough. The only thing we can do is hope Lovie/Licht pick one of these two QBs and not go defense or trade down. I would be proud to have either QB on board and hope for the best.
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:02 pm
They can both throw the football, both have skill, and both can play the position. But when the defense contains Mariota in the pocket all game, taking away his running to the outside will he still be effective. I am not saying that he can’t throw from the pocket but like all dual threat QB’s when contained all game especially when the game is on the line it becomes a crapshoot. Look I will not argue but how can you seriously say that a Qb who admits to being behind the curve (hasn’t called plays, hasn’t played under center alot, has mostly played a certain style that doesn’t translate well to the NFL, needs time to develope and learn the nuances of QB play) will be better than Winston who doesn’t need that much time to learn?
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:04 pm
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/20/jameis-winston-marcus-mariota-nfl-draft-tampa-bay-buccaneers/
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:06 pm
Winston is the better of the two,per,9 out of 10 nfl scouts.period!
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:12 pm
You pretty much sumed it up newbucsfan..
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:13 pm
@ NewBucsFan
I agree, it is very very difficult to change one’s personality. Mariota knows that but he must somehow find his voice in “the big leagues”. He has his own concerns about “dealing” with the huddle. It seems just as much a challenge for Mariota to “grow” within his personality on the field in this respect as Winston has to “grow” within his personality off of it.
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:14 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo has spent much time trying to choose his favorite QB…..Pablo has come to this conclusion……If Pablo were in the back of a truck coming from Juarez with a bunch of illegals…and contraband (Pablo knows this word from his indictment)….Pablo would rather ride in the back with Jameis…(fun guy)…
But….Pablo would be more comfortable if Mariota was driving”
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:14 pm
I can only compare this too Luck & RGIII, both can do the job but in different ways. With Mariota the defense will have to defend the QB run which will open holes for the running game (EXCITING). With Winston the defense will have to defend the pass as well as the run, meaning that the Bucs will need an avg. o-line at least and a decent running game to keep the defense honest. Mariota would be able to make a 7th round runningback look like a stud but Winston can make a 2-14 team look like a playoff contender (if the defense plays well).
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:18 pm
budnbeers Says:
No doubt the kids got potential. I just think he’s boring. I’m tired of a boring bucaneers offense. Even if he wins he’ll still make me yawn. Jameis brings excitement with his knowledge, play, and personality.
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This cracks me up.
Really.
How can winning make anyone yawn?
Yeah, Mariotta’s 4.5 speed is boring. (Ask the Patriots… and what Russell Wilson did to them in the 4th quarter)
Knowledge? Chip Kelly thinks otherwise. Look at the TD/Int ratio and yards thrown. Heisman, and played in the Nat’l championship game with RB’s and WR missing
Excitement? It may get exciting off the field too.
Why to the Jamesis minions persist in running down Mariotta?
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:21 pm
P’cola Buc Says:
@ NewBucsFan
I agree, it is very very difficult to change one’s personality. Mariota knows that but he must somehow find his voice in “the big leagues”.
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Works both ways too. Some may need to find maturity under intense pressure.
Others have it already.
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:22 pm
Winston = Ryan Leaf
Mariota = Peyton Manning
Mark my words!!! CHARACTER!!!!! Winston has a bad one!! His coaching has been top notch – “Things I did is in the past, we need to move foward” Just like it never happened!!! But it did, just ask the people in Tallahassee that know way more than you might think.
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:23 pm
Last seasons Bucs team gave an example of how the team could look with each QB. With Glennon in there the Bucs beat Pitt and should have beat N.O. if Glennon wasn’t afraid to reach for the 1st down. When McCown was in there he would run to at least give the team a chance but when he could no longer run and started getting hit well you saw how he looked. Winston is more mobile than Glennon and won’t shy away from that 1st down motivating his team. That is the best comparison I can come up with while giving both Winston and Mariota props. Not arguing
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:23 pm
Boy I cannot wait till this is over so we can quit having half the people on here routing for someone else’s backup qb.
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:25 pm
Agreed ndog!
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:34 pm
Again no one is running down Maroita but what has he done to make you love him so much? Oh boy he won the PAC 12 and the Heisman but so have many other average players at the NFL level. He is an athlete first not a qb period. How many of those have turned into great qbs? Steve Young and…….? And look at him it took him playing in the USFL then us and then behind Montana for several years. That is one out of how many and he didn’t he get good at the NFL until 8 years into his career. Just stop acting like this kid is some miracle that will do things that had never happened before.
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:44 pm
i think jason licht beat lovie with a hammer before he let him try to convince the glaziers that they should trade the pick,
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:45 pm
Here’s the big problem with the bias on this site. Jason Garrett goes on record yesterday saying Mariota is clearly the best quarterback and that both him and Jameis are franchise Qb’s. The problem is you need to go to NFL.com to read that or another site. We as Bucs fans should get all the positive things being said on both Qb’s, not just one. I’ll ve happy with either Qb if of course we did all our homework on Jameis, but for people to get on here and say silly things about snaps under center or huddling. I mean huddling! That’s so silly people. We’re Bucs fans! We need to unite as fans and be supportive whoever the pick.
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:47 pm
Kid is damn good man he is a cross between Wilson and Aaron Rodgers
Either was we win
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:47 pm
Way
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:49 pm
@LJS4th whats he suppose to say. Ima jus dwell on it forever. No dude! The only thing u can do is on from it and not repeat the same mistakes.
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:53 pm
All of these comparisons are hilarious…….Manning….Young…Russell….Leaf…..Wilson…..Rogers
Why not bring in Johnny U., Fran Tarkenton, Y.A. Tittle….Bart Star….
It is really absurd to make comparisons before the first throw in the NFL has been made. Both these guys are unique unto themself…
They are what they are…..prospects….good ones…but prospects….
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:55 pm
Winston is so slow his blockers will out run him! I can’t believe how everyone believes that the Rapist Winston is the bomb! Tony Romo was not even drafted!! He was paid 10k by Sean Peyton (Cowboys) to sign as a free agent and beat out Drew Bledsoe! Warren Moon was also not drafted!
Anyone who watched the combine yesterday has to know that both Mariotta and especially Bryce Petty are safer and better picks that the chance that will have to be taken on Winston!!
I sure hope all those want the Buc ‘s to take crab boy are around when he is on the NFL exempt list awaiting his next trial!
That arm on Bryce Petty was a cannon!! The world is watching and the Rapist Winston better changer his name to Jamarcus Russell cuz he is going to be another Ryan Leif!! Take Bryce Petty after dropping down and trading the #1 pick and let some other team take Winston!
Greg Schiano
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:59 pm
Thanks for the positve article on Mariota, Joe. Even the most avid Winston supporter would agree that there is a chance the Bucs choose Mariota…..anyone who says there is no chance is a fool. There are still two months left….lots of discernment….personal interviews….workouts…private investigations….background checks….psychological tests & exams.
Even thoug Charlie Campbell wrote the Glazers were OK with Winston…there have been no other reports like that…..not one.
For all we know, they have already passed on him….doubt it…but possible.
So….lets have an objective look at both…..if the Bucs do this right….we will be happy with the pick….either one…..both have the potential to be franchise QBs….we must pick one of them.
February 22nd, 2015 at 5:14 pm
I’m still waiting on someone to provide the FIRST example of a spread quarterback (in a similar system to what Oregon runs) going on to be a legit NFL quarterback.
Who is it?
Kaepernick? RG3? Who?
Still waiting . . .
February 22nd, 2015 at 5:24 pm
@Greg Schiano Says:
February 22nd, 2015 at 4:55 pm
I thought you guaranteed that he wouldn’t throw at the combine? Dollars to doughnut, right? You were really on the money on that one.
February 22nd, 2015 at 5:33 pm
@Greg Schiano
People like you are what is wrong with the entire Jameis/Marcus debate. For the most part, and I emphasize “most part”, Winston supporters are relatively rational when it comes to their evaluation of Mariota. He’s a phenomenal athlete. He’s a good football player. There is a chance that he lives up to his potential and becomes a cerebral assassin that revolutionizes the NFL and wins SuperBowls. I personally don’t believe he will, but that’s irrelevant. On the other hand, it seems no Mariota supporters can dish out RATIONAL criticism of Winston. The INTs is a valid argument. As are the past transgressions. But can the extremely lame crab leg jokes end? Or the Jamarcus Russell comparisons? Or “Rapist Jameis”? Russell and Winston are both big, black, and play QB. That’s about it. They are not similar on the field, nor off. Give it a rest. To truly say that Bryce Petty had a better combine than Jameis Winston is pure trolling. So is attempting to justify the merits of an UDFA QB. I am convinced that you aren’t being serious.
February 22nd, 2015 at 5:38 pm
HAHA…so it was the Cowboys that put in the request for the extra examination on Winston. Why does Jerrah Jone care about Winston. There is no way he’s dropping far enough for the Cowboys. As a matter of fact, he shouldn’t drop past the Bucs at number 1.
February 22nd, 2015 at 5:41 pm
@DraftJameis I absolutely love Petty’s arm. The kid can flat out throw the ball but his accuracy is terrible. I don’t see how anyone can say with a straight face that he had a better combine than Winston.
February 22nd, 2015 at 5:47 pm
Winston has swayed me a bit, but I still feel better about Mariota over the long term and for his athleticism.
February 22nd, 2015 at 5:48 pm
@Luther I agree with you. Unlike a lot of spread QBs, Petty has characteristics of a legit pocket passer. I would’ve loved to have seen him in a pro system in college.
February 22nd, 2015 at 5:51 pm
Both Winston and Mariota will be good NFL QBs. But Mariota is not only the safer choice, but also the better choice for the Bucs. He’s the safer choice because he is equal in talent to Winston (maybe even more talented when you figure in his speed and agility) and comes with ZERO character, behavior or “off the field” concerns. From a fanbase and PR perspective, Mariota comes with no “baggage” (whether real or perceived) and no distractions. He’s the better choice for THIS team because his athleticism, scrambling ability, speed, and ability to throw on the run offset an O-line that is shaky at best and is in the process of being completely overhauled. Defenses will have to respect Mariota’s scrambling ability, which will open up passing lanes. I have no doubt that Winston has the skills to be effective, and I’ll support him as a Buc (as long as he does nothing to hurt the team with his actions), but my own opinion is that Mariota fits better now and gives us the best chance to get better faster.
February 22nd, 2015 at 5:59 pm
There is one characteristic that Mariota and Winston have in common: they are both talented football players. The other comparisons will define the BUCS choice for number one. Winston brings a charismatic personality, something the BUCS don’t have. He also brings risk, something the BUCS don’t need. Mariota brings pure class, something the BUCS need. He also brings a leadership style that defines the “face of the franchise”, something the BUCS don’t have.
Anymore questions?
February 22nd, 2015 at 6:07 pm
WoW! Went to go snowmobiling today and as I got to the spot to park the trailer there were Emergency Vehicles everywhere. An avalanche happened and 4 people are still missing. We are worried about Mariota vs Winston. Some people are worried about their loved ones’ lives.
Just a small bit of sad perspective.
February 22nd, 2015 at 6:10 pm
A profound post Bill Byrne.
Lets hope that if we do take Winston he matures and kills the risk. We may all just have to deal with being on the edge of our seats every weekend hoping not to see something negative in the Monday morning news.
February 22nd, 2015 at 6:11 pm
Gatrbuc
Sorry to hear that. We do take this stuff too seriously.
February 22nd, 2015 at 6:12 pm
It’s refreshing to see the amount of Winston supporters on here. The majority of which are not FSU fans, me included. It’s an objective opinion that is easier to support. I’m now feeling even better considering how well Winston has answered questions. Instead of playing the ‘I’m not here to be a role model’ line, Winston embraced his new chapter speaking about how he wants to be a role model for children and how that premise has motivated him to be a better person. That’s real folks. No agent rehearsed that line with Winston with the conviction and examples that Winston cited. He’s going to be very good for a lot of years and he has the willingness to put in the work necessary.
February 22nd, 2015 at 6:20 pm
@DB…….is it ok if I just refer to you as DB?
Yeah man. I had my chats with you guys this morning and had fun and all even dealing with a few difficult commenters. Then I go and load up my sled and my son’s sled and drive out to the mountain all Stoked to have fun with my boy and get there to see people crying and Emergency vehicles everywhere. My son was heartbroken in the fact that he cant sled and also sad that people are missing. Hes a pretty bright 8 yr old so he asks all kinds of hard questions for me to answer on the way home. It gave me a little perspective when I sat back down at the computer
February 22nd, 2015 at 6:29 pm
Still waiting on that example of the FIRST spread quarterback to make it big in the NFL . . .
Anyone? Beuller?
February 22nd, 2015 at 6:37 pm
Mariota will and should be the choice. Whoever is gonna have a better career will depend on who the bucs take. Any rookie q.b. With the BEAST Mike Evans, V-Jax and ASJ at ones disposal will tremendously help. A guard and tackle plus another back this offense will be better than we have seen in a very very long time. The biggest free agent acquisition we already got is an offensive coordinator. Mariota to Evans for years to come!! I’m so excited I think I’ll run another franchise in Madden..
February 22nd, 2015 at 6:44 pm
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. I really hate the spread offenses. I think it has ruined too many QBs that actually could have been very good like Petty. Mariota could have been much better and maybe even a better option that Winston but he’s behind the curve because of the offense that he was in.
I liked Winston before the combine but after seeing him throw and his overall attitude including his time with Mariucci, I think it’s a no brainer with me. Winston is the pick and it’s not close.
February 22nd, 2015 at 6:45 pm
To me, it seems like Mariota is the guy we’ve had our eye on all along.
Since his first presser as HC here, Lovie has told anyone who will listen how much he values athleticism at the QB position, and how much he wants a dual-threat QB that can extend plays and get positive yardage with his legs when the play breaks down. This was a big part of his justification for bringing in McCown.
Lovie wants an up-tempo offense. It’s why he tabbed Tedford to be his OC, even before Lovie had a coaching job lined up. Obviously, Tedford’s health debacle derailed that plan. But then he hires Dirk Koetter, an offensive innovator who strongly favors an up-tempo offense with a lot of no-huddle. Then they bring in Mike Bajakian, who ran modified spread offenses in college.
Oh, and Lovie likes high-character guys who don’t require a lot of babysitting.
All of this adds up to Mariota.
If Mariota needs to run a hybrid or transitional offense for his first season or two while he masters the intricacies of more pro-style concepts, then Koetter and Bajakian are certainly the guys that can craft a scheme that is tailor-made for him.
Winston is definitely the more polished, pro-style, traditional pocket passer. But Mariota’s decision-making, throwing mechanics, delivery, and release are close to elite, and he brings much more versatility to an offense.
They are both exceptional leaders on the field. Winston is vocal and volatile, while Mariota is quiet and cool. Both styles have worked in the NFL.
If you want to just plug a pocket passer into your existing system, go with Winston. But if you have the freedom and luxury of crafting a whole new offense around a guy, and you want that offense to be creative and innovative, go with Mariota.
February 22nd, 2015 at 6:48 pm
@NewBuc….Aaron Rodgers plays in the cold and outdoors. Guess who Mariota is being compared to
@Kaput….Drew Brees to answer your question
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:06 pm
I think MM was a really good college football player. Have nothing bad to say about him. I just think history has shown everyone that in TODAY’S NFL running QB’S do not survive or succeed….. That is what scares me the most. Another running QB bust. Players are to fast in NFL for that type of offense to work and QB stay healthy. Not happening wont’ happen.
Name one successful running QB that stays healthy. Please do not use Russell Wilson as he is throw first QB.
Again just the facts
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:10 pm
So funny all these Mariotta/Winston debates
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:10 pm
Guys………..We are all Bucs fans. That is something we have in common. Why is it that when we have different opinions on One player that we should attack each other? Does that make us a ‘team’ in any way? We are all entitled to our opinions whether they match up with the next man’s or not. We should be able to debate without ridicule and belittling one another. Maybe Im too Idealistic.
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:13 pm
It always a roll of the dice when you draft a QB #1
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:14 pm
With that in mind, come on 5
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:16 pm
Let get Winston with the 1st, and get the best available OL in the 2nd. Would be nice to trade back into the 1st, but we need our additional picks. Too many holes. I hope we can find ways to get more picks if its trading Glennon or D. Martin. Although I rather keep both those guys. I could see us going…QB, RT, MLB, DE, Guard, WR, CB, Then Safety.
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:16 pm
Draft #5….In three seasons in Oregon Marcus Mariota passed for nearly 11,000 yards, 105 TDs, and a 67% comp. percentage. That doesn’t exactly sound like a “running QB” to me!
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:20 pm
Wow they are seriously bashing Winston on pro football talk right now, some scouts are saying they wouldn’t even let him come inside the building because he’s that much of a problem. Much different than what JoeBucsfan is trying to sell. And the comment section is even worse 9 out of 10 people say they would take Mariota over Winston. Go look for yourself
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:22 pm
@ Senor Mofo
“Pablo likes you”….”It doesn’t hurt that you call yourself Senor”….no, Pablo prefers senoritas….but Pablo likes you just the same”
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:40 pm
I will say it again if we draft Mariota we will suck for another 10+ years.
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:45 pm
Ok, so almost all the experts know at this point that Winston has to be the pick. I think it would probably be wise for L&L to start the PR campaign ASAP. There will be some that will never get on board but for all the sane people out there that understand that Jameis was never even tried for the accusation that hangs over him. Some don’t care what evidence is out there and how many versions this accuser has given of what happened, they view him as a rapist and won’t change their minds. L&L are obviously going to go with the best QB so IMHO it would be wise to go ahead and announce the pick, get fans used to it and start the PR campaign sooner rather than later.
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:47 pm
You’re right Supers am the last building he walked into really suffered. They went 26-1 won the national title and was on TV every week as the game of the week. Yeah you’re right that would suck.
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:49 pm
Joe,
Just curious if Steve Mariucci did the same interview segment with Marcus as they did with Jameis? If so, wonder why we haven’t seen it? If not, why not?
I imagine Steve asking him, “so without looking at the sideline picture of a dinosaur and Kanye West, tell me how you would design a play to score within the red zone?”
Marcus: draws a picture of Donald Duck
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:50 pm
@ SuperSam
It’s so sad that you try daily to find that one poll, one mock draft in order to try and make others think that Mariota is “turning the tide”. It would work better with others not doing their research such as the last FORTY-FIVE mock drafts (Dcprosports) who give the latest results as follows:
Winston:34
Mariota :10
Williams:01
Overwhelming support for Winston….We love when you try to bring up numbers…at this point in time there is no tide turning in Mariota’s favor. Your efforts are so transparent….and we must say….quite lame.
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:52 pm
@SuperSam
As you stated….Go see dcprosportsreport.com
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:54 pm
@Knuckledragger
Yes….can’t we all just get along…..
Unfortunately…the site allows a person to be anonymous…therefore they can be brave….stupid….condescending….on the attack without fear of exposure.
But most are just plain ole’ good Buc fans like you and me….just eager for the taste of victory again. Most are purely passionate about their point of view.
I choose to give consideration to their opinions….but even I come under attack once in a while.
Loggedontosay called my remark supid yesterday when I said the first key to debating was to give your opponent’s point of view merit….
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:55 pm
He wrote the exact same article for Darron Thomas and Dennis Dixon.
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:57 pm
Numbers can be twisted to go in anybody’s favor. Winston probably has more support overall because he ran a pro-style offense and everyone knows he can handle a huddle. Mariota, while physically has unquestionable talent, ran a fast-paced college spread that was ran from the sideline. He is more athletic than Winston, but nobody knows if he can transition to leading a huddle.
So basically, the knock on Winston is his maturity and questioning his ability to stay out of trouble as a million are NFL QB. The knock on Mariota is if he can run a pro-style offense or not.
I will be fine with either QB, but Lovie please get ONE.
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:04 pm
I’d rather is give the pick away then draft Winston. When all this glamour from the combine is over and the smoke clears, Lovie will go the safe and better prospect in Mariota. Wait and see. I’ve read rumors that Lovie and Licht don’t want Winston partly because he would be to close to his old ” running mates”. Sorta like last year when the Texans thought it was a bad idea to draft Manziel because he was from Texas A&M, to close to his party buddies if you will.
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:10 pm
Jeagan1999 Says:
February 22nd, 2015 at 7:16 pm
Draft #5….In three seasons in Oregon Marcus Mariota passed for nearly 11,000 yards, 105 TDs, and a 67% comp. percentage. That doesn’t exactly sound like a “running QB” to me!
It was a gimmick offense that throws mostly short routes and lets the superior athletes run all over place. One team runs it the eagles This does not occur in the NFL for the most part. Stats mean nothing when you have superior athletes on your team compared to who you are playing. In the NFL everyone is superior a superior athlete. He won’t be running the spread and by his own admission he has not commanded a huddle since early in high school. Just seems like a risk to me when we have multiple examples of failures.
Again just pointing out it has never been done why is he different.
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:11 pm
Joe minimizes the 40 time for Mariota vs Winston….but Mariota ran the 40 faster than Wilson or Kaepernick…..he may be one of the fastest QBs of all time.
Not only that but his broad jump & vertical leap were extraordinary.
Mariota outran every LB at the entire combine.
His athleticism must be considered because that is what helps make up his ceiling!!!
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:16 pm
Mariota not RG3 speed or Vick…but for a guy his size…his speed is extraordinary!!!
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:18 pm
knuckledragger Says:
February 22nd, 2015 at 6:20 pm
@DB…….is it ok if I just refer to you as DB?
Yeah man. I had my chats with you guys this morning and had fun and all even dealing with a few difficult commenters. Then I go and load up my sled and my son’s sled and drive out to the mountain all Stoked to have fun with my boy and get there to see people crying and Emergency vehicles everywhere. My son was heartbroken in the fact that he cant sled and also sad that people are missing. Hes a pretty bright 8 yr old so he asks all kinds of hard questions for me to answer on the way home. It gave me a little perspective when I sat back down at the computer
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You owe JBF your life brother. If not for us having a civil debate this morning you’d be buried. Looks like I’ve done my good deed for today. Now I just hope the glaziers let me save their lives too and pick Winston. Just kidding obviously glad you n little man are alright.
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:19 pm
His athleticism has to be considered because the Bucs can’t block worth a damn. Lol
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:19 pm
Not for nothing and I know this is stupid but I wouldn’t put it pass lovie to draft Randy Gregory.
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:20 pm
Funny how most Winston supporters can also say Mariota is good as well, yet most Mariota guys can’t say anything positive about Winston to save their lives. Why? Can’t they both be a good choice? Is that so hard to concede?
Knuckledragger, where are you from? Sound like a Montana guy.
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:21 pm
Supersam I feel the same about Mariota, I would rather trade down than draft a project qb that has never ran a huddle. Are you kidding me, this should not even be a dissucion. Lovie just said himself on Buccaneers. Com Mariota showed he’s a great athlete and Jameis showed he a great thrower. We’re not talking about a wide out were talking about a qb!
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:22 pm
Tampabaybucfan Says:
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:11 pm
Joe minimizes the 40 time for Mariota vs Winston….but Mariota ran the 40 faster than Wilson or Kaepernick…..he may be one of the fastest QBs of all time.
Not only that but his broad jump & vertical leap were extraordinary.
Mariota outran every LB at the entire combine.
His athleticism must be considered because that is what helps make up his ceiling
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Love to have him as a #3 receiver. Opens up the WR pass. :p
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:25 pm
@SuperSam
I agree Mariota is the safer prospect but it’s highly debatable that he is the better prospect. His learning curve will be greater than Winston’s. Using your words: “I have heard rumors” that Lovie does not want to draft a QB with such a great learning curve because Lovie would be out of a job if he waited so long.
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:31 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo thinks the verticle leap numbers for Mariota may come in handy if we keep EDS at center”….that extra 8″ over Winston could make the difference on bad snaps””Pablo also thinks the 10′ broad jump could come in handy…..that’s over three yards….jumping to the first down marker”….three yards Glennon couldn’t make when he ran out of bounds earlier this year. Pablo was just thinkin” which Pablo rarely does”
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:31 pm
Put Winston on a team like the Patriots and he’ll excel. He reminds me a lot of Tom Brady in many ways.
Put Mariota on a team like the Saints and he’ll excel. He reminds me a lot of Drew Brees in many ways.
Put either one of them on a team like our 2014 Bucs and … aah, never mind.
Either QB will do fine with the Bucs, IF we build an OL to protect them, give them some decent weapons to work with, and most of all, provide them with quality coaching.
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:32 pm
Absolutely love Mariota. He has great upside and if Winston were not in this draft, I would love to have him play for the Bucs. That being said, Winston is available and he is a much better QB. We don’t have to wait for a guy to be ready when you have a guy that’s probably the best guy since Luck. For me, there really isn’t much more to it than that.
Watching Winston yesterday really made my day considering we have the possibility to solve our QB problems for 10-15 years.
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:39 pm
Mariota is like Brees?!?!?! In what way are those two alike, they both stand upright? One is fast the other not, one fits the ball into tight spaces one does not, one calls plays in a huddle one does not, one changes plays at the line of scrimmage one does not. Other than that they are just a like. I’m not trying to be a jerk but those two are polar opposites.
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:43 pm
@MTBuc
Here’s one poster that says good things about Winston…..defends him from the rape accusers…..knows he is a great QB and can get the job done on the field.
I stand ready to support him in the job…..if he is chosen, it means those who’s jobs are on the line made a brave & measured decision.
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:49 pm
@WS99
“Love to have him as a #3 receiver”
So this is how you reduce his combine numbers?……
I am not saying athleticism is everything….but added to all of his other skills that are unquestionable….he won the Heisman Trophy as a QB….
Nobody is worse with speed…..
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:52 pm
actually…
from a scott reynolds’ article:
“But for all of their speed and mobility, Mariota and Hundley – both products of spread offenses in the Pac-12 that featured a ton of high-percentage throws and the quarterback run game – those two quarterbacks took a lot of sacks in 2014 compared to the two top-rated pocket passers in Florida State’s Jameis Winston and Baylor’s Bryce Petty. There is a huge difference between having the mobility to escape and and actually escaping the pocket.
That’s why NFL scouts are so concerned with Mariota and Hundley’s ability to transition from a spread-type offense to becoming pocket passers in a pro-style offense in the NFL. Despite having blazing speed and rushing yards and touchdowns galore, both Mariota and Hundley don’t have great pocket presence or awareness, and take more sacks than they should.
Mariota took an eye-opening 31 sacks, which was a career high, on 486 passing plays last year. That’s a sack on every 15.7 drop backs. He had taken just 18 sacks on 404 passing plays as a sophomore in 2013 and 17 on 353 passing plays as a redshirt freshman. Oregon’s offensive line did suffer some injuries in 2014, including some minor injuries to left tackle Jake Fisher and center Hroniss Grasu, both of whom are mid-round draft prospects this year.
Yet the feeling among NFL scouts and talent evaluators is that a three-year starter like Mariota should be more experienced as a junior and find a way to take fewer sacks by throwing the ball away more often or having more awareness in the pocket. That didn’t happen last year.”
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:58 pm
continuing from scott reynolds’ article:
“Winston proved to be much harder to sack in college. While he played behind a more talented offensive line than the other three quarterbacks, Winston did get sacked 27 times as a redshirt freshman on 411 pass plays en route to winning the Heisman Trophy and the BCS Championship in 2013. Yet he showed tremendous improvement as a sophomore last year, taking just 17 sacks on 484 pass plays, which is an average of one sack for every 28.5 drop backs.
Winston and Petty won’t come close to beating the 40-yard dash times of Mariota and Hundley at the NFL Scouting Combine. But avoiding sacks is much more than just being fast and athletic.
Having a pocket presence and the awareness to avoid the rush is about making quick decisions, knowing where the check downs are and having a quick enough release to dump the ball off to dodge a sack. The ability to process information quickly and move around inside the pocket by stepping up in the pocket or sidestepping the rush is actually more important than being able to run a 4.6 in the 40-yard dash.”
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:10 pm
A scout on Winston….“Someone will take him in the first round, but how could you even let that guy in the building?” said the US. “The second law of thermodynamics basically is the more ways something can happen, the more likely it is to happen. That’s true of players. The more ways they can [expletive] up, the more chances they [expletive] up. This guy’s got a lot of stuff that would lean him more likely to be a bust than a good player.”
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:18 pm
It still shocks me to no end that more of you Mariota supporters are not concerned about him coming from the Oregon system. Sure he appears to be a great athlete but that system has helped QB’s like Nick Foles and Mark Sanchez put up all pro like numbers. They basically make one read and then get rid of the ball. All of their numbers are incredibly inflated. High % passes with little risk of interception. Works great in college but haven’t seen the Eagles in he Super Bowl yet.
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:18 pm
Winston was ahead before the combine. He is either as far ahead or farther now after his masterful performance at the combine.
No opportunities for Marcus to catch up.
Unless you think Jameis will screw up his own pro day at FSU…….not a chance.
Or the smartest QB in history won’t impress our staff when they bring him to OBP. Not a chance.
The fat lady has sung. The man with the P. Manning level of intelligence and with the golden arm is coming to Tampa.
Gonna be a great day.
Go Jaboo.
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:19 pm
Tampabaybucfan Says:
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:11 pm
Joe minimizes the 40 time for Mariota vs Winston….but Mariota ran the 40 faster than Wilson or Kaepernick…..he may be one of the fastest QBs of all time.
Not only that but his broad jump & vertical leap were extraordinary.
Mariota outran every LB at the entire combine.
His athleticism must be considered because that is what helps make up his ceiling!!!
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Racist, Hater, ….Im rubber and youre glue.
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:19 pm
@SuperSam do you really think that one scout is honest? He is either on the Titans staff or someone who really wants that kid to drop to his team. Nothing about Winston says bust. Its as ridiculous as all of the comparisons to Leaf and JaMarcus Russell. Winston has nothing in common with those guys.
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:21 pm
With JW, the On Field display seems awesome to me. It’s the OFF field that is still lurking in my mind. If one offsets the other, it’ll be a washout, and we will possibly be starting from scratch again. Like a leopard telling us he has no spots, I think it’s a trust issue here. Just do you Due Diligence L&L, and give me peace of mind.
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:22 pm
Mel Kiper also backing out on the Winston train….”If I’d put Mariota one, I’d have slid Winston to six,” said Kiper. “The thing that prevents you from cementing Winston at No. 1 is the off the field concern.”No quarterback that I can remember in my 37 years of covering the draft has had the off-field concerns to the extent of Winston and been the No. 1 pick in the draft or even a first rounder,” said Kiper. “You look at the top quarterbacks in the league, they’re the CEO of the football team – they set the tone for everything that goes on there. They’re the last person on the roster you’re gonna have to worry about.” Doesn’t sound like the Mel Kiper I heard about a month ago lol, I have a feeling once May comes the choice for Mariota will more clear than ever.
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:23 pm
Well that’s your opinion, Eric.
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:35 pm
Thanks DB…………….It is nice to see camaraderie between Gators and Noles in the heat of battle.!
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:39 pm
@lurker (quoting Scott Reynolds) said:
Mariota took an eye-opening 31 sacks, which was a career high, on 486 passing plays last year. That’s a sack on every 15.7 drop backs.
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In his regular-season NFL career, Aaron Rodgers has taken an eye-opening 260 sacks on 3475 pass plays. That’s a sack on every 13.4 drop backs.
In the playoffs, Rodgers has taken an eye-opening 28 sacks on 387 pass plays. That’s a sack on every 13.8 drop backs.
Mariota’s college sack numbers are way, way down on the list of evaluation priorities.
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:42 pm
Supersam again your making stuff up. This is Mel Kipwer most recent opinion.http://www.bucsnation.com/2015/1/7/7511645/mel-kiper-todd-mcshay-call-jameis-winston-best-on-field-prospect
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:44 pm
I prefer Winston but if the Bucs go with Mariota I would be happy. Either prospect would be an upgrade over what we got. Either QB should improve our team over last year. Regardless of your preference lets remember thst either QB gives the Bucs a better chance to win than Glennon.
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:45 pm
Here’s another one for you, actually more recent:http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=tampa-bay-buccaneers&id=8487&src=desktop
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:47 pm
@ndog Most recent?? HAHAHAHA BULLSPIT, that article you just posted is dated on Jan 7, 2015, over a month ago!!! The quote I just posted from Kiper was a week ago. CMON MAN.
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:47 pm
Let’s not rule out MG8….it was not his fault that he followed the cues of an apprentice OC. He had 3 different OCS in 3 years. Good grief!
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:48 pm
SuperSam Says:
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:22 pm
Mel Kiper also backing out on the Winston train….”If I’d put Mariota one, I’d have slid Winston to six,” said Kiper. “The thing that prevents you from cementing Winston at No. 1 is the off the field concern.”No quarterback that I can remember in my 37 years of covering the draft has had the off-field concerns to the extent of Winston and been the No. 1 pick in the draft or even a first rounder,” said Kiper. “You look at the top quarterbacks in the league, they’re the CEO of the football team –
Peyton Manning had a serial misconduct charge in college and had to say money in a settlement in college then again when he mentioned it in a book but they didn’t live under the scrutiny and 24 hour media coverage there is now….. So Mel Kiper is not an NFL exec or player, he guesstimates just like we do
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:48 pm
Sooo funny to watch you guys debate over which Outstanding College QBs will be better in the NFL and take your stance Vehemently! If any of you guys actually have a Crystal Ball can I have next week’s winning Lottery numbers???
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Both those articles are over a month old.
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:54 pm
If we truly plan on taking Winston than someone please answer me this, why have we also only interviewed spread option quarterbacks?? Connor Halliday: According to Dan Kadar, quarterback Connor Halliday said he has met with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers multiple times.Halliday put up some pretty great statistics at Washington State, but broke his leg toward the end of his senior season. He has good size, but has mostly been a spread quarterback throwing on basically every down under Mike Leach. He should be a mid- to late-round prospect.
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:54 pm
We’ll be very happy for the next 15 years if we select Mariota…
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:56 pm
We also interviewed Bo Wallace from Ole Miss, also……yep you guessed it, a spread quarterback. Connect the dots people. Done believe the Winston hype, happens every year.
February 22nd, 2015 at 9:57 pm
Mariota’s college sack numbers are way, way down on the list of evaluation priorities.
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No his sacks are very high up on the evaluation process. If he is o fast and athletic why is he sacked so much???? Very legit question sir… Just because a statistic does not support your agenda does not make irrelevant.
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:05 pm
@ Supersam
We are interviewing spread QBs….late round picks….as potential backups to Mariota….
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:06 pm
Only suckers are buying the “personality” that was on sale yesterday…folks who believe performance to be more important were obviously shocked that Kid Fameis could not separate himself from Marcus Mariota…specifically in the throwing excersises…but also because there was so much disparity in the vertical, broad, and 40 yd…there is simply no justification for taking Kid Fameis over Mariota…none.
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:12 pm
These interviews with late round spread QBs are not a smokescreen…..there is no need for the Bucs to smokescreen at this stage….
They are shopping for a backup spread QB for Mariota…..Glennon will be traded.
Notice they are late round prospects…..
This has got to make the Winston supporters somewhat nervous!!!
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:15 pm
I’m not nervous at all. Name a conventional QB to be had in the late rounds? Almost all of them are spread QB because college is infested with it.
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:16 pm
Mariotta will be a star in this league. It may take him a little time. But whats a few months compaired to 10-15 years off success? He is a machine with zero character concerns. I would still take Williams if we can’t trade down tho. He is way too good to pass on IMO.
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:18 pm
Tampabaybucfan Says:
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:05 pm
@ Supersam
We are interviewing spread QBs….late round picks….as potential backups to Mariota….
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You are a true racist and Hater and……………………………LOL nvm I can’t do it tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!! Best to you and yours TBBF. Prayers that the Tampa Brass make the divine choice that will put is back into the contender conversation
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:23 pm
Shane Carden ECU
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:25 pm
For those that say Russell Wilson is not a running QB please explain how he had around 850 rushing yards. He had more than any of our RBs.
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:29 pm
Actually TBBF I thought Carden and Petty looked very similar. Way behind Mariota and Winston but workable for sure.
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:30 pm
TBBF
I have said this a million times, I am clearly one of the “Fools” you mentioned in a previous post that thinks the bucs have NO choice. I hate to break it to you but Lovie does not have the time to wait for Mariota to learn the QB position at the NFL level. If lovie would have not embarrassed himself and the franchise TWICE last year not to mention finishing with a 2-14 record he might have been able to get away with a project like Mariota. He lost that luxury by stinking up the league. Winston is clearly a much safer on the field choice with a much higher pro ceiling. Go back and count how many super bowls the slow pocket passers have won over the last 15 years or so…
Brady 4
Big Ben 2 (2 rape allegations)
Manning 2
Flaco
Manning (trainer tea bagger)
Dilfer
Johnson
Warner
That’s 2 QB out of the last 16 super bowl wins that are Mobile QB’s
The only two winners that are “mobile” are Wilson and Rodgers… I am not giving you Brees he is a pocket guy for the most part but I’ll leave him off the cement shoe list above.
Even the most die hard Winston hater can not deny the way other players gravitate to Winston versus Mariota. The IT factor matters. The only folks who don’t believe that clearly never have been on a team with a player that has it or worse never played a sport.
Lovie needs Winston far more than Winston needs a mediocre head coach who will be back in the basement shortly with Glennon serving has his houseboy.
Order up your Winston Jersey ladies and Gentlemen.
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:33 pm
I won’t support a rapist I don’t give a damn how good he plays football take mariota any decent Human won’t support this scum
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:33 pm
What about Brees taxcom?
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:35 pm
Tmaxcon
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:36 pm
I am sure the idiots will be in full force soon the joes certainly are showing their lack of morals
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:36 pm
@sky. RW is an awesome QB. “Game Manager” ………….LOL what a label. A QB’s job is to “manage” the offense in a manner that scores more points than the opposition.
LOL………….I will take the Best Game Manager ALL DAY LONG and twice on Sundays rather than a part time playmaker. Not ANY type of comparison to JW and MM in ANY way
Just a poke at all those RW Haters
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:39 pm
I absolutely agree with Supersam
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:41 pm
And the oregonian columnist
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:44 pm
I’m in the Mariota corner, however “IF” we do draft Winston then that is the route chosen by Lovie and Co. That is something we have to live with because he will be here for a few years. At worst he is here for 2-3 years and at best he becomes a franchise QB for a while. Now, if we take Mariota I firmly believe he will be fine and can start from day 1. He is confident in himself and I think he is up for the challenge of starting day 1. He said he was a perfectionist and I’m all for it. Analyst said that he is quiet in front of cameras, but is a charismatic guy on the field and the players love him for that. I could care less what he says on camera. He is a great leader on the field and the locker room and that is all that I ask.
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:46 pm
@tmaxcon
You and most of the Mock Draft analysts are basing your opinion on “Lovie doesn’t have the time”…..
What you are not considering is the possibility that the Glazers would be willing to give him the time with Mariota.
As far as a fool…..yes….anyone who is dead certain that Winston is the choice is a fool….is he likely….perhaps….is he (at this time) the front-runner…..yes….is he the choice of most scouts….yes.
Is he the selection….NO…..and only a fool thinks he can predict the future absolutely.
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:48 pm
Thank you Erik
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:53 pm
Here’s how I see it going down, Were drafting Mariota installing a spread offense as we speak, trading Glennon, then drafting a late round spread quarterback to back up Mariota. Our quarterback’s coach has extensive work and experience in spread offenses, they’ll design a offense around Mariota’s strengths.
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:55 pm
Skyline
I gave my opinion on brees…. payton hardly runs a spread. yes brees is mobile but he is not a running QB. I get why anyone would bring it up and that is why i said what I said above.
BB
Winson raped NO ONE… I hope you or none of your family is ever falsely accused of a crime you or they did not commit and your life is dragged through the mud. It can happen to anyone however most people don’t matter and are not in the spotlight so you never hear about it. Winston needs to mature but by no means is he a rapist or criminal. Winston is closer to being the VICTIM in this case regardless of you what people are saying. The continuation is clear. Innocent until proven guilty and this fine young man did not receive the benefit of the doubt because of who he is and the fact the media would not know a fact if it landed on their face.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:00 pm
The self proclaimed “Cleat Chaser” is more of a criminal than Winston. Perjury is a crime and she clearly perjured herself on multiple occasions. It’s time to stop all this bs bleeding heart crap and start charging these people who bring false accusations and file frivolous lawsuits. It’s time to punish people who are more interested in taking advantage of the system than working hard an earning their way through life…. Personal Accountability instead of free loading and entitlements.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:03 pm
I truly believe that the Glazers will not be quick on the trigger with Lovie….no matter which QB he chooses (and I strongly believe we will choose a QB)…Lovie will be given the time.
The Glazers were quick on the trigger with Schiano….and Raheem didn’t work out….I think they want a long-haul coach that will eventually build a winner.
Like it or not…..Lovie will have the time he needs…..
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:04 pm
TMAX………………Were you there that night??????? Did you watch every step in the sexual conduct that both admitted happened?????
If you were then submit your phone video for evidence to the Tallahassee PD.
IF not then shut your phuking flapper because it is people like you that state something “Didnt happen” when they have no clue that give real Winston supporters a Bad Name
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:04 pm
And BTW I am not rooting Against Winston.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:05 pm
Tmaxcon
I didn’t mention running QBs. you mentioned mobile QBs. I would definitely put Brees in the mobile QB club. Unless you meant to say running QB and just put mobile. I also would argue that Peyton definitely runs a spread offense. He runs from the shotgun more than he is under center. I would also note if you look at the playoffs this year majority of snaps were from shotgun and not under center. It doesn’t matter really because I believe that Mariota can go under center. His drop backs and footwork were magnificent at the combine. He will do just fine.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:07 pm
I would hold up on the FALSE Allegations there Taxacon. It wasn’t proven to be false or true. Just not enough evidence. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen and it doesn’t mean that it did. No reason to call her a cleat chaser either since Winston was a redshirt freshman at the time and wasn’t known at all. Not really going to get anything out of somebody who doesn’t even start on the football team is there?
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:07 pm
@TBBF
56-0 ON PRIMETIME!!!
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:09 pm
@ SuperSam
I’m confused SuperSam, as I stated before. The last 45 different mock drafts as reported by Dcprosportsreport show the following results. Please explain how this reality can be.
Winston: 34
Mariota: 10
Williams 01.
Please explain how this reality can be?
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:09 pm
87
56-14…..and Lovie hired the OC that did it to him…..
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:12 pm
skyline
I’ll give you the brees / payton you are correct and i should have chose my words better.
Now onto the fales allegations…
Let’s see she gave 4 completely different statements UNDER OATH… So even if 1 is true what about the 3 other LIES…. sorry her and her aunt (attorney) are prime examples what is wrong with the legal system in this country.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:14 pm
Are you guys serious? Both are elite prospects, but to say Mariota is less of a risk is absolutely asinine. All of Mariotas abilities to succeed at the pro level are projections, meaning that he is a gamble. Winston’s skills directly translate to the NFL and that is a fact. Face it the doubts against Mariota are very much a reality. Just look at how much of an extreme of a gimmick offense that they run in Oregon, it is very different from any thing in the NFL. Mariota is not the first nor will he certainly be the last QB to put up crazy numbers in that system.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:15 pm
14 points were garbage points. Hiring Koetter was a good move (not a spread offense OC BTW), but the Bucs got beat in every possible category that game. Passing, running, catching, covering, tackling, returning, and even KICKING. That was basically the Bucs entire season too, not just one game.
Lovie will have more wiggle room with a rookie QB, but I think any less than 6 wins (depending on how bad the losses) and he may still get the boot.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:16 pm
Mock drafts mean exactly nothing, do you not remember how many mock drafts had us taking Morris Claiborne, Trent Richardson, Johnny Manziel?? There’s a reason there called MOCK drafts lol
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:16 pm
knuckledragger
All these closet attorneys calling him a rapist were not there either but they are convinced and get a free pass nightly on this gossip site by making false accusations.
Here own boyfriend has called her a cleat chaser and refused to help the police because she had a history of that. sorry she is not the victim Winston is…
Go order your Winston Jersey!
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:17 pm
tmaxcon
She was never charged with false allegations and it hasn’t been proven. Typically though for a trauma victim they will change their stories a few times. Her story I don’t know what to believe because nothing has been proven right or wrong. If she screwed that up that is her own problem. I do find some of the investigation weird though. I’ll leave it at that because what is done is done.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:18 pm
Sad how ‘homerism’ can divide a fanbase to this point i think.
In NO other part of the Country outside of Oregon, is there this much hatred and divided stances. IMO Both are so good ON field that this pick Can’t be fucked up.
‘Nuff said.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:20 pm
@Bill Byrne FYI your website is not working…
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:20 pm
I remember when every mock draft I saw had us drafting Trent Richardson, every freaking one!! And what happened ?? We drafted Doug Martin haha
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:20 pm
Investigators are probably Really Good that the Glazers hired. Winston passes that then get him the playbook the next day.
If not then give it to Mariota!
If we make it all the way to Draft day then nobody at the Top is SURE!
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:20 pm
Which do you think is more troubling, a QB from a pro-style offense who’s TD production was cut in half from his freshman year…while his INT’s doubled in his sophomore season – or a spread QB who improved from his starting season to his senior season…
Would it be all that strange to see Lovie Smith want to match the defense that he thinks he’s building – to an offense that’s gone to the last two super bowls?
I think the spread is becoming more popular because A) the abundance of talent that already knows it’s nuances, and B) the difficulty in finding talent that knows ANYTHING about how to play in a “pro-style” offense.
GM’s and Coaches could continue resisting the trend, spending money to draft players that may/may not be able to be RE-trained to play in a “pro-style” system…or they could adapt…as the Seahawks, 49ers, Panthers, and now the Eagles have decided to do..and all ironically, all very successfully…
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:20 pm
If we get less than 6 wins we will be looking at drafting a QB next year or in 2 years. Look at Glennon for that. Won 4 games in 3/4 a season and then was pretty much forgotten about. If it doesn’t work out with whoever we draft then we might be looking to trade them like the Browns were doing. Now they are looking for another QB. Also, one team that nobody is thinking about when it comes to a QB needy team are the Broncos. Manning may not come back and I don’t think their backup is going to do well.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:23 pm
Dcprosportsreport.com….Check it out everybody. Witness the huge sample size. See the overwhelming reports having Winston go number #1. 70%-80%. Witness the fact that Supersam does not respond to these obvious results…but is trying desperately to spin the fact that Joebucsfan is so wrong. As it stands today….Winston goes #1 in the draft and Glennon will be able to keep #8. (Although I do believe Glennon will be traded).
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:25 pm
Skyline,
Um sorry, but but just because he was a red shirt freshman it doesn’t mean that he wasn’t known. Winston was a 5 star recruit out of high school and the top college quarterback prospect in the country at the time. Everyone knew Jameis before he even went to FSU. Winston was the big man on campus from day 1 at FSU. Just because you didn’t know who he was doesn’t mean everyone else didn’t. And fact of the matter everyone that was a student there most definitely knew who he was.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:27 pm
also silly supersam, our qb coach is not calling the plays, koetter is. koetter has not run a spread offense in college or the pros. so, you are wrong.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:33 pm
@Lurker Look up Tennessee Vols offensive highlights on youtube, and tell me that isn’t exactly what Oregon runs. Open your eyes dude, Bajakian ran the Vols offense, Lovie brought him in here to help Keoter install the offense for Mariota.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:36 pm
Bajakian even said himself that he will have a say so in which quarterback the bucs draft.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:38 pm
I’d like to see mariottas white board video w mariucci.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:38 pm
Koetter is the offensive coordinator buddy, not Bajakian. This is Koetters offense not Bajakians. The quarterback coach’s job is not to install an offense. Open up your eyes dude and look at the offenses that Koetter has run in the past and get back to me, because he is the one in charge of the offense not Bajakian. You are trying to connect dots that dont exist and you clearly have no clue what a quarterback coach’s job responsibilities are do you?
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:39 pm
Tampabaybucfan Says:
February 22nd, 2015 at 8:31 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo thinks the verticle leap numbers for Mariota may come in handy if we keep EDS at center”….that extra 8″ over Winston could make the difference on bad snaps””Pablo also thinks the 10′ broad jump could come in handy…..that’s over three yards….jumping to the first down marker”….three yards Glennon couldn’t make when he ran out of bounds earlier this year. Pablo was just thinkin” which Pablo rarely does”
Lmao. You right Tbbf. Can’t argue with that. Lmao
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:41 pm
@P’cola Buc
“62% of the most updated mock drafts project Florida State QB Jameis Winston to go #1 to the Tampa Bay Bucs. This has shifted over the past month and half from Jake Mariota to Winston. Winston is well over the 50% mark, have 23 of 37 mocks project his as the top pick. QB Jake Mariota is second with 27% of the mocks.”
Not exactly 70=80%…..and can’t get Mariota’s name right…..a real credible source..
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:41 pm
SuperSam Says:
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:16 pm
“Mock drafts mean exactly nothing, do you not remember how many mock drafts had us taking Morris Claiborne, Trent Richardson, Johnny Manziel?? There’s a reason there called MOCK drafts lol”
NOT when they are all talking about the first pick LOL.
They hardly EVER get the first pick wrong LOL.
So when the consensus of mock’s are currently saying Winston is going number #1 overall…that usually means that’s going to happen LOL
If the draft were tomorrow Winston would be a Buc.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:42 pm
The Ducks are a tempo team. Tempo is their semi-unique weapon, everybody runs “spread” formations.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:42 pm
LOL
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:43 pm
Looking forward to the the Bucs drafting the player several NFL Scouts have proclaimed to be the smartest QB since Manning.
Actual currently employed in the NFL Scouts. Real authentic pro football people.
And that player is Mr. Jameis Winston.
Very easy decision.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:43 pm
nice to cherrypick supersam. your mel kiper quote was from a usa today sports article. it also had this to say:
“I think what we’re all learning is that the NFL defenses catch up fairly quickly to the new style of quarterback,” NFL Network chief draft analyst Mike Mayock told USA TODAY Sports. “At the end of the day, if you can’t win from within the pocket, you’ve got no shot at being a franchise quarterback in this league.
“It’s a really difficult projection.”
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:45 pm
Jake Marinara…Mariota…you say tomato…
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:45 pm
Joe ” cherry picks” his Winston articles everyday.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:46 pm
bruce ariens said similar on espn radio today and similar in a pft article you passed up, but posted an anti-winston quote from a different pft article.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:47 pm
from pft article:
“At the combine in Indianapolis this week, Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota shared his opinion that the most difficult part of his transition to the NFL will be getting used to huddling before plays after playing exclusively in a no-huddle scheme in Eugene.
Cardinals coach Bruce Arians, who has previously shared his opinion that such offenses are best left in college, agrees with Mariota’s read on the obstacles he’ll face while making the transition to the professional ranks. During Arians’s appearance on Thursday’s edition of PFT Live, Mike Florio asked him about the difficulties that come with evaluating Mariota and other quarterbacks who didn’t huddle in their college offenses.
“Seeing the guys coming out of the systems now where the coach holds a card up, the players line up, he kicks his foot and they play football — the hardest thing for them is to get into a huddle and call a play,” Arians said. “They’re stuttering, they’re stammering, the guys around them don’t believe in them. That’s that leadership thing. That’s the hardest thing for these young quarterbacks who play in these systems…they have to learn how to play quarterback at this level and sometimes that’s overwhelming.”
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:47 pm
lol supersam…..we are realizing that you are desperately trying to spin your boy Mariota…and you equally desperately try to find within the minority something,anything to state on here. Sometimes you resort to “Rumor has it”….eventually you MIGHT get something right. (Even a broken clock is right twice a day) Back up your points….give us websites to verify your information. Last I checked in with Mel Kiper drafts (Mock draft #1 and Mock draft#2) he still had Winston going #1…..Are you that upset with the Joes that much that you would just spin without regard to the facts?….
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:49 pm
Anybody for cherries?
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:49 pm
Nope wrong again, this Mock draft from bleacher report had Teddy Bridgewater going number 1 last year. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1906095-2014-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-complete-7-round-projections/page/2
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:51 pm
sorry supersam, i said koetter never ran spead not the qb coach. read it again. koetter is the oc, has been in college and pros and i do not see him passing the reigns to a qb coach. koetter wants to be a headcoach. makes no sense not install the offense or call the plays.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:51 pm
SuperSam…..the consensus Sammy. The consensus…not just Bleacher report.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:51 pm
Go back n check the footwork. Show me the whiteboard video. I want more info.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:52 pm
it is ok to like the second-best qb prospect, supersam. i will take winston #1 overall.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:53 pm
How many had Clowney going to the Texans last number 1 last season?
Better yet how many of you thought Clowney was going to be drafted by the Texans going into the draft? I for one.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:53 pm
How could anyone look at that performance – as well as the head-to-head in the national championship and come away thinking Kid Fameis is more talented?!!
…it’s beyond me…seriously. Other than the personality, nothing Kid Fameis put on display was better than Marcus Mariota…not during the combine, and definitely NOT in head-to-head competition during the college playoff’s.
I wasn’t taken in by the Kid Fameis love on ESPN, I think if it were that cut & dry…they’d already have announced a contract between the Bucs and Kid Fameis…
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:54 pm
@87
“If the draft were tomorrow Winston would be a Buc.”
Based on what exavtly….the majority of Mocik Drafts?
The Bucs future interviews….psychological & background checks?
They would choose Winston….absolutely?…
You fall into the “fool” category.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:54 pm
from same usatoday sports article:
And one that could be more daunting given Johnny Manziel’s brief showing as a Browns rookie, Colin Kaepernick’s apparent plateaued development for the San Francisco 49ers and the ongoing struggles of the Washington Redskins’ Robert Griffin III, whose offense at Baylor was similar to Mariota’s.
“A lot of the victories take place on the sidelines in that offense, I’m concerned about that offense in general,” NFL Network analyst and former NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah told USA TODAY Sports.
“That’s a warning sign for Mariota. One of the biggest challenges for guys coming out of that offense is knowing the difference between college open (receivers) and NFL open. … You get in the NFL, you better pull the trigger.”
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:55 pm
Teddy dropped because of the combine.
In contrast Mr. Jameis Winston killed it at the combine……
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:56 pm
It’s going to become a foregone conclusion pretty soon at people are just going to have to deal with it. As a Noles fan that has had to deal with the haters for 2 years now, I can say that I’m going to enjoy it all.
I’m going to enjoy watching people come in here one by one having changed their minds miraculously…. soon.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:56 pm
also from the same usatoday article you got your quote from:
“They just do what they know. These quarterbacks have become so used to looking at one guy, and if he’s not (open), they start running around,” two-time league MVP and NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner told USA TODAY Sports. “You just can’t survive that way in the NFL.
“If you have to teach them how to play quarterback at the NFL level, I think it’s extremely hard. Very, very difficult for those guys because they’re so used to reacting a certain way. … I’m not very optimistic with those kind of quarterbacks – especially when you throw them into fire.”
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:57 pm
Or better yet how bout Todd McShays, since all you guys have a boner for him. http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10150969/2014-nfl-mock-draft-todd-mcshay-projects-every-first-round-pick
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:58 pm
@ Lurker
You are correct sir. At the table when placed side by side on the NFL network on Saturday Winston spoke well and had the commentators laughing and joking with him and poor ol Mariota looked totally out of place. Earlier he noted he was concerned over knowing how to conduct himself in the huddle. The young man is a fantastic athlete and a great guy but he is ill prepared to lead an NFL team. He may or may never be able to do so in the future….
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:58 pm
but there is hope for you mariota supporters. from the same usatoday article after stating mariota would do well in chip kelly’s system, ended this way:
“Once he makes that transition, is his upside higher … whereas with Winston is he close to maxing out his abilities?” wondered Savage. “Does Mariota have so much room to grow, that he might be the better player four, five, six years from now?
“Based on recent years, I don’t think these GMs and head coaches are thinking about three and four years from now, I think they’re thinking about 2015. You’re only as good as your last season.”
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:00 am
Yes Winston was good, but Mariota was just as good throwing the ball, and better athletically. Did you see those 3 step, 5 step, and 7 step drops? So much for “not being able to take a snap under center”.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:00 am
That’s 2 Teddy Bridgewater picks, even from a high profile guy like Todd Mcshay!!! MOCKS DONT MEAN JACK SHIT!
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:01 am
White Tiger…it was on NFL Network too. Did ESPN show it as well?
TBBF…based on a 9-3 edge of prominent mock drafters.(don’t make me look up where I found it I’m tired) That was prior to the combine though. I’m not sure if it will change. I’m betting it will and in Winston’s favor.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:01 am
LOLOL………….I love most of you guys in the best “E” way that I can but It is hilarious to watch this stuff between you guys. Damnit man!!!! WHY would anyone who isn’t on the Bucs staff making “Guarantees” ???????????
Dumb, Dumber and borderline Stupid. Ignorant at the Least.
Jeeeeesh people. Get a grip.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:02 am
@lurker
And Mariota’s last season resulted in a Heisman.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:04 am
From what I’ve been reading and hearing is that Winston’s interviews went great with every team he met with.
So I don’t see much holding him back from becoming a Buccaneer on draft day.
Not even Mariota.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:05 am
WalkDaPlank…ya know what. Me, myself I don’t care about the Heisman’s.
Vinny won a Heisman too.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:06 am
mariota did well throwing at the combine. winston did better throwing. as mcshay stated:
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Mariota was really, really good. But Winston was exceptional.
Some are going to focus on the measurables, with Mariota putting up fast times and good scores in the jumps and Winston being below average in most areas of his athletic testing. But I just don’t think those things are going to matter with regard to Winston’s chances of becoming a successful NFL quarterback.
Winston may not run fast times, but he can extend plays with his strength and instincts, and that’s enough in the NFL — especially when you factor in his ability as a passer. He is just a natural thrower of the football. His delivery was a minor area of concern, but for the most part he showcased an efficient delivery in passing drills on Saturday. He is almost always on balance, and even when he isn’t, the ball is still delivered on point. He showed excellent touch on deep balls and over-the-shoulder throws.
Mariota isn’t the natural passer that Winston is, and he doesn’t have the same experience in a pro-style system that Winston does. That showed up Saturday, as the biggest difference between the two was in anticipation throws. Mariota was a little late on some of those, but he showed improvement during the drills. I feel as though his footwork in working from under center is better than expected given how little time he’s had to work on it.
The other thing I heard from multiple people is that teams are really impressed with how good a young man Mariota is. But Winston also impressed teams in his interview sessions. I heard from several people that he has handled himself well, coming across as both sincere and confident, and that his football IQ was off the charts. It also became clear that other players, especially wide receivers, gravitate toward Winston. It’s not a knock on Mariota, but it’s clear he’s not viewed as the same kind of vocal leader that Winston is.
These guys, to me, are both still in the mix to be the No. 1 overall pick. They have very different styles in a few different ways, so it’ll come down to the preference of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or whichever team ultimately ends up picking first overall. Personally, I give the edge to Winston as the better prospect. Mariota was really good Saturday and it’s clear that some improvement is already there. But Winston confirmed what I’ve seen of him on tape: He is just a natural in terms of his ability to anticipate throws and put the ball on spots. There just aren’t many guys out there who can throw the football like him.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:06 am
@87
Winning makes people forget everything. If the Bucs select Winston and start winning, the same one’s who are calling him a rapist will be wearing his jersey on Sunday. Same goes for you if it is Mariota I would bet. I just want a QB dammit. 🙂
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:06 am
MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank
Mariota looked better than the scouts thought he would with foot work and drop backs but it’s too early to say he can operate under center. Let’s see how he does for the jets next year when NFL D lineman chasing him. Mariota sure gets sacked a lot for a great athletes. I think he will do well for the jets in a couple of years if the new York media does not eat him alive.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:07 am
I just find it SO hard to believe that OUR fanbase is SO divided when both QBs performed SO DAMN WELL in the “tangibles” department!
Are some of you SO Little that you attack rather than debate your opinions?
Wait……..That was a dumb question.
When will you Stop it?
That was a real one.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:07 am
@87
“If the draft were tomorrow Winston would be a Buc.”
Not…most likely would be….not probably would be…..but you say….would be…
based on 9 of 12 mocks…..now you say!!1
I have never yet seen a Mock Draft be a substitute for the real NFL Draft.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:09 am
I agree, Heisman winning QB’s haven’t done so well in the NFL, I was just responding to lurkers quote he gave.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:09 am
knuckledragger…LMAO…welcome to JBF.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:09 am
I can say Nothing of the intangibles (off field stuff)
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:10 am
Someone above mentioned Koetter, so I could NOT resist:
In recent years the head coach Chan Gailey of the Buffalo Bills used the offense with QB Ryan Fitzpatrick. The Atlanta Falcons with Matt “Matty Ice” Ryan have been using the spread scheme to speed the game up or get offense a boost.
The Super Bowl Champions Green Bay Packers have been running the spread football offense with QB Aaron Rodgers. The Denver Broncos also used the offense when Tim Tebow became the starting QB.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:10 am
@MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank
Winning the Heisman makes you a top notch COLLEGE quarterback and very often does not translate into the NFL. At least Winston has played in the pro style system.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:10 am
@87 We have known each other for years my friend. I have been rooting for you to come back from your apparent lapse of reason.
Im Gatrbuc
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:11 am
TBBF….yes that’s what I say.
As a Buc fan I’m sure you have watched your fair share of drafts correct?
How many times leading up to the draft to do all the mocks get the first pick wrong? I’m talking off the top of your head.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:12 am
MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Said:
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:02 am
@lurker
And Mariota’s last season resulted in a Heisman.
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i know. i think you are referencing a quote i had from a usatoday article. the “you’re only as good as your last season” as quoted from phil savage is talking about gms and headcoaches.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:13 am
A 9-3 lead is big margin. Like it or not.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:14 am
@lurker
Ah, yes. Sorry I misunderstood that quote.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:15 am
@PAT Thank you!! What ive been trying to say all night, Keotter likes high uptempo spread offenses.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:15 am
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo love knuckledraggers because Pablo has much knuckledraggers in his family. Pablo has stated earlier that he would love being in the back of a truck from Juarez with Winston….but would rather Mariota be doing the driving”
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:16 am
@P’Cola Buc
I agree.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:16 am
Pablo is a Yankee’s fan.
Pshhhh Yankee’s Fans…lol
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:17 am
come on now knuckledragger.
you say this:
“Are some of you SO Little that you attack rather than debate your opinions?
Wait……..That was a dumb question.”
after this:
“Dumb, Dumber and borderline Stupid. Ignorant at the Least.
Jeeeeesh people. Get a grip.”
——————
is that not attacking?
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:17 am
P’cola Buc Says:
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:10 am
@MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank
Winning the Heisman makes you a top notch COLLEGE quarterback and very often does not translate into the NFL. At least Winston has played in the pro style system.
…………
The last Three QBs that Jimbo Fisher put in the NFL
Jamarcus Russell
Christian Ponder
and a guy named Emanuel or something ritht?
Point being ………Quit being STUPID with the
“Pro style offense” ISH
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:19 am
@87
Yes….the Mocks usually get it right on #1…..but first of all….it’s too early….and second….in this case you have 2 players at the same position evenly matched…..
Imagine last year’s Mock if Williams & Clowney were in the same draft….
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:19 am
The surrogate ‘Chip Kelly’ is Koetter which the Glazers longed for from the Start.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:20 am
Lurker
I mean what I say.
Why call names and not discuss rationally?
I hate seeing what our fanbase has become and I didnt miss a Home game at the Old Sombrero for the first 20 years
I don’t mean to single a person out with the “dumb , dumber, and Stupid” comment
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:21 am
what pat? koetter is a pro-style offense. all those team huddle up.
remember what bruce ariens said:
“Seeing the guys coming out of the systems now where the coach holds a card up, the players line up, he kicks his foot and they play football — the hardest thing for them is to get into a huddle and call a play,” Arians said. “They’re stuttering, they’re stammering, the guys around them don’t believe in them. That’s that leadership thing. That’s the hardest thing for these young quarterbacks who play in these systems…they have to learn how to play quarterback at this level and sometimes that’s overwhelming.”
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:22 am
TBBF…I know it’s too early. That’s why I said if the draft were tomorrow…
Oh well I gotta run. Everyone have a good night. 🙂
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:23 am
Disclaimer: The TBBF is not racist…the TBBF is more like a late night talk show host with his humor….an equal opportunity offender..
With that being said….in the spirit of Ebonics.
It’s now 11:23……Does you know where yo future francise QB be?
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:24 am
not me
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from scott reynolds’ article:
Despite the fact that new Bucs quarterbacks coach Mike Bajakian was the offensive coordinator at Central Michigan (2007-09), Cincinnati (2010-12) and Tennessee (2013-14) under Butch Jones and ran a version of the spread offense, it wasn’t the same as the offense Mariota ran at Oregon. And Bajakian won’t be calling plays in Tampa Bay. That’s offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter’s job, and he’s never run the spread offense before.
Despite the attempts by some to connect Koetter to the spread offense, his tenure at Oregon ended in 1997 – 12 years before Kelly brought the spread to the Ducks program. While Koetter and current Oregon head coach Mark Helfrich coached together for nearly a decade at Boise State and Arizona State, Koetter has only run a pro-style offense and developed pocket passers over his career.
Without the Bucs switching to the spread offense, and it doesn’t look like that will happen with Koetter at the helm, drafting Mariota just doesn’t make sense. Especially when there is an exceptional pocket passer in Winston to select with the first overall pick.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:24 am
Fellow bucs fans, why spend so much energy debating who should be our pick? We are going to most likely take one of the 2 QBs with our first pick, so just be happy that we have that privilege and just accept whoever the Bucks decide on. No opinions are going to matter except for the ones at One Buc Place. Trust me, if you can just be excited that we are in this position and be happy with either guy, you will be guaranteed to have a pleasurable experience on draft day. No one is going to convince anyone to change their opinions but accepting either pick sure brings a lot note inner peace. LOL. But reading the fierce debating I must day is pretty entertaining. Now the Kevin says “go hang yourselves”! What a but job that one is. LOL
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:24 am
I know I’ll take a slammin’ for that…so I apologize in advance if I offended….just want to be on record…
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:26 am
So with all the Matt Ryan running the spread for Koetter posts. I thought I’d compare Ryan to Winston measurables. I have some bad news for those trying to connect Mariota dots Ryan ran a 4.89. The last 6 super bowls winning qb avg 40 is 5.01 and that includes Wilson.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:26 am
Damned auto spell!!! LOL
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:30 am
@ tmaxcon
I’m impressed….good research….so now we have a benchmark to rely on…..the slower the QB, the more likely he is to get a SB ring….
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:31 am
All I’m saying is that we all are smart enough to know that Heisman winner does not translate into NFL success. That being said I personally prefer Winston but would be happy with Mariota. What I would be upset with is if we do not choose one of these two QBs with the number one pick.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:35 am
Winston this year and a real head coach next year then all will be right in Bucland
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:36 am
Tampabaybucfan Says:
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:23 am
Disclaimer: The TBBF is not racist…the TBBF is more like a late night talk show host with his humor….an equal opportunity offender..
With that being said….in the spirit of Ebonics.
It’s now 11:23……Does you know where yo future francise QB be?
……………
Sounds like you have been attacked too many times today for being Too Rational.
LOL Peace out my ‘E’ brother
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:36 am
P’cola Buc Says:
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:31 am
All I’m saying is that we all are smart enough to know that Heisman winner does not translate into NFL success. That being said I personally prefer Winston but would be happy with Mariota. What I would be upset with is if we do not choose one of these two QBs with the number one pick.
Ladies & Gentlemen….we have a winning post for today!!!
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:41 am
LOLOL ROTFLMMFAO
I wish the Joes were smart enough to have a ‘Livefyre’ set up for the chat section.
This site would be off the Charts if he (they_) did that.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:45 am
not me
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also from the scott reynolds’ article:
(first quote is lovie smith)
“I’m keeping all options open, from spread looks to – again, I just want to be able to run and pass the football when we need to and when we want to. It’s kind of as simple as that and as we mold this Tampa Bay Buccaneers offense together, it’s not like I’m going to be over the guy’s shoulder saying ‘Hey, do this or do that.’ I’ve given offensive coordinators that I’ve had a lot of full range to implement their system.”
Koetter’s system will likely resemble what he ran in Atlanta over the years with Matt Ryan handing off to Steven Jackson and Devonta Freeman and throwing the ball to Julio Jones, Roddy White, Harry Douglas and Tony Gonzalez.
Smith went on to point out some of the negatives associated with the spread offense, especially running it at the NFL level where defenders are bigger and faster and scrambling quarterbacks like RGIII have shown a tendency to get hurt.
“I think it’s a good offense, but with every good offense there are some negatives I guess you would say [and one of those] is about protecting the quarterback,” Smith said. “On the other side of the ball, when you’re playing read-option teams, eventually most read-option quarterbacks get hurt I think, so you want to try to protect your quarterback as much as possible, but to occasionally have a couple of those [plays] in your offensive attack is a must nowadays.”
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:49 am
There is no guarantee that if we draft Mariota….we run a spread option offense….perhaps some plays are spread option….but I don’t think we draft Mariota if Bucs don’t think he has the versatility to adapt to pro-style also…
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:54 am
@rayjay
I’m not going to be excited because there is a wrong choice if you take one of the qbs because one is not a 1st round talent Mariota is a 3rd round talent at best!
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:55 am
Hey Guys…………It is almost 10:00 here and I have crews to send of t tomorrow morning. They have to build NO MATTER WHO TAMPA TAKES. ,,,,,,lol.
Have fun with this stuff while you can guys. In my 39 yrs of following this Team I have had to develop a sense of Humor
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:56 am
there is speculation that the jets and philly are working a trade if mariota is there and they don’t take him. i heard 2 firsts and 2 seconds.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:59 am
There is a huge difference in running a few read option plays or even a series or two versus a full time spread offense. I can’t fathom for a second dinosaur Lovie would embrace anything out of the box or not extremely conservative. Lovie can not grasp that you must play to win the game. Playing not to lose is why Lovie is a failure and has never won the only game that matters the super bowl
Remember you don’t need points and football starts in November. – – Lovie Smith
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:01 am
iamkingsu Says:
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:54 am
@rayjay
I’m not going to be excited because there is a wrong choice if you take one of the qbs because one is not a 1st round talent Mariota is a 3rd round talent at best! a
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Really??????? So you are the only “genius” in the whole WORLD that has MM as a third rd. talent?
Were you Also the only “genius” that had Russell Wilson coming in as a “third rd. talent” that would throw for LESS INTS in THREE yrs than Peyton Manning threw in his FIRST yr?
Are YOU that guy? Cause if you ARE then you need to go apply for a job at One Buc Place.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:02 am
@iamkingsu
“Mariota is a 3rd round talent at best!”
No….Glennon is 3rd round talent….Mariota is definately 1st….and that will be proven soon…..
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:04 am
No Glennon is a future radio host or Lovie’s house boy not a NFL starting qb.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:10 am
@tampabayfan
No Mariota will get picked in the 1st round but he’s not a 1st round he talent some team will regret it down the road unleswith ends up witb chip. Im the St. Louis Rams (mediocre guy). Here’s another question that no one has ever answered in months they just ignore it like it wasn’t asked. You saw how that Oregon offense works why in the hell was he sacked 31 times with that 4.52 speed?? Lol
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:13 am
tmaxcon Says:
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:04 am
No Glennon is a future radio host or Lovie’s house boy not a NFL starting qb.
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Good thing for us Bucs fans that you are smarter than all the professio nals that represent the other NFL teams that want him
We are Blessed to have someone of your Superior Knowledge.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:16 am
@knuckedragger
You have the wrong one when it cones to Russell Wilson. I’m. born and raise.d in richmond VA. The question with Russ will he get a shot to play? Not if could play? I watched Marota play when he came to UVA. They’re not even close Russell is a qb that can run while Mariota is a fast guy playing qb. It’s a difference!
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:16 am
iamkingsu
Don’t forget all his fumbles lost or not fumbles are huge.
Mariota will be successful with Jets if the new York media does not eat him alive. Winston at least will be in a media environment that the rest of country could careless about. No real journalist in Tampa it is a small market that just doesn’t matter nationally.
Draft Winston Fire Lovie
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:22 am
Really Tmax??
Mariota has Lost 11 fumbles…………..and he has thrown 14 over THREE YEARS
Winston threw 28 INTS in TWO. Not even worried about the ” Backwards Fumble for a TD in the Playoffs:\
JEEEESH get real Dude.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:23 am
knuckledragger
Facts and reality are hard to swallow.
What’s glennon win / loss record in his starts?????
Does glennon make players around him better????
All we hear and read is nothing but excuses trying to justify glennon s horrible play
They will get a six possibly a 5th for glennon nothing more too much horrible play on tape and the other teams won’t make all the excuses glennon supporters do.
You are very welcome for the insight sir!
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:25 am
Thanks for your views Iamkingsu
IMO Mariota is twice the QB that RW is and that JW is good too.
How will you talk to me now?
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:26 am
That’s only what he lost fumbles whether lost or not is a huge flag. Couple that with all his sacks and being so skittish in pocket. I like Mariota but Winston is hands down better.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:29 am
Watch Koetter turn Glennon into Money, he will be a Matty Ice clone…running an uptempo spread.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:29 am
I disagree. Mariota is a guy who always has his eyes set to pass, unless on a designed run. He has shown plenty of times that when he gets flushed out of the pocket, he’s not always gonna run. He threw beautifully at the combine and can make all the NFL throws, even if he wasn’t asked to throw the deep ball often at Oregon.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:30 am
@Tmax
Not even a Complete Idiot will ever square his mouth right to say that Glennon ever got a fair shot. Under Horrible circumstances he set NFL Records
First Rookie in NFL History to throw 10 TDs to 1 INT
First Rookie in NFL History to throw a TD pass in his First 8 games.
………….Wow……..all this on the Worst Team in the NFL for a TWO yr period?
Jeeeeesh
If you want to have sex with Winston then just GO ahead and do it.
I am not against him OR Mariota]
Just “pretend fans”
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:30 am
@tmaxcon
Unfortunately probably for you. Jameis will save Lovie’s job me on the other hand I have no problem with Lovie. I hated the hire at the time because I wanted Zimmer because I hated the thought of Cover 2 in the year 2014 that’s all. But thinking about Carolina and Seattle the though grew on me. My heart was out of this Season after week 2. My sight was ser on Jameis then!
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:31 am
Pat
Unless Koetter is coaching another team next year he won’t get a chance to coach the heartless wonder known as 8
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:32 am
Newbucsfan!!! Says
“I’ll say it then without bias: Winston is the better QB!”
I think you need to look up the word “bias”.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:32 am
Pat Says:
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:29 am
Watch Koetter turn Glennon into Money, he will be a Matty Ice clone…running an uptempo spread
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This is the best thing that could happen for us “RIGHT NOW”
I have been in this crowd for Months. I am starting to want one of these QBS
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:33 am
Glennon could not best out Josh ‘turnover’ McCown.. Enough said
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:33 am
Lol Bonzai…………
Bias is a four letter word around here.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:37 am
tmaxcon Says:
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:33 am
Glennon could not best out Josh ‘turnover’ McCown.. Enough said
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How much have you had to drink tonight?
First of all he was never given the chance to “beat” out Josh McCown
If you were a BUcs fan you would know this. Secondly Josh McCown has NEVER set an NFL record unless it was “Most Hit QB Ever”
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:39 am
Tmaxcon
Do you actually believe that McClown is better than Glennon? The reason McClown played was because either:
A. Glennon is trade bait, Lovie doesn’t want him hurt or looking bad in the league’s worst offense to bring his stock down.
B. Lovie is a stubborn jackass and didn’t want to yank his boy.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:39 am
Handpicked McCown? And then later let go…instead of Glennon. I see the light at the end now.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:42 am
I’ll take the 18 picks over being Sacked 31 times playing in Oregon’s offense anyday. You have 4.5 speed, the defense isn’t even set before you snap the ball, half the defense is chasing the jet sweep, bubble screen, or play action read and you’re wide open with the football on the backside of the play? And get sacked 31 times? Really? Someone explain please
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:42 am
Glennon had the opportunity to grab the starting job but he did not grab the bull by the horns he ran out of bounds early instead. You sir are in denial Lovie would have loved it if glennon took charge and grabbed the job but he stunk. Again answer the question on 8s win liss record.
Glennon second half disappearing act rivaled ghost Johnson
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:46 am
McClown was knighted as the starter before the season began, Glennon played better in the New Orleans game and Pittsburgh game than McClown did all season. He was never going to “grab” the starting gig. He would’ve never saw the field had McClown not hurt his thumb.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:47 am
Glennon will get his real shot. Past 3 years was a joke. You will see.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:48 am
Allow me to answer your question with another question:
Can you name me ONE QB could’ve succeeded in the Bucs offense the past two seasons?
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:49 am
Tmax………….I am very non confrontational to say the least. Most here that have been here for a while will most likely tell you the same, but I can’t resist this one.
YOu are Completely Lost if you think Glennon competed with McCown and McCown won the job.
You need to bee the Tooth fairy. There are still kids out there that believe in him
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:51 am
I agree what your saying however you are missing the point. Glennon had those 4 games to force Lovie to play him and he stunk especially in 4t qtr. . He clearly did not spark the team nor establish himself as a leader. He looked lethargic and showed no passion. You see it differently than I do and that’s fine.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:51 am
Pat Says:
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:47 am
Glennon will get his real shot. Past 3 years was a joke. You will see.
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Seeing as how it has YET to be TWO years since he has been drafted WHO is the Joke?
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:54 am
I stand corrected. Thanks for having my back.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:55 am
Aarron Rodgers for one. He has had horrible lines in the past including the turnstile eds. I’m glad you all like glennon everyone needs support. I’m sure he is a great guy but he will never lead a team to the super bowl s
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:55 am
TMAX……Im not trying to fight with you. Glennon’s first yr.
Gets thrown into the fire when Freeman goes Mental
Missing MW , No 2 WR.. Missing No. 1 and 2 RB with an UNDRAFTED ROOKIE TE THAT SWITCHED FROM WR
Next yr NOT given a chance to Compete]
Thrown in due to McCown INjury and the Worst OL in NFL?
REALLY
I mean REALLY
Why do you think that PROFESSIONALS that get paid MILLIONS of dollars want the kid??
I am guessing because they didnt call to consult you first.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:56 am
Sorry Pat…………..That was uncalled for by me
Please accept my apologies.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:58 am
tmaxcon Says:
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:55 am
Aarron Rodgers for one. He has had horrible lines in the past including the turnstile eds. I’m glad you all like glennon everyone needs support. I’m sure he is a great guy but he will never lead a team to the super bowl s
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OK no more arguing. If you are comparing the GB OL to our OL then I know that you must be smoking crack or something.
I have a business to run tomorrow morning and it is almost 11 here
GO BUCS
February 23rd, 2015 at 2:00 am
And before I go I meant what I said to Pat.
February 23rd, 2015 at 2:00 am
I hope you’re correct and a lot of teams want him. I don’t buy it but I hope you are right. If Licht can grab anything higher than a 6th round pick it will be theft
February 23rd, 2015 at 2:05 am
The Green Bay Packers have had a great O-line the past two years, along with Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson, and Eddie Lacy. He’s a top 3 QB but he would suck on the Bucs. Sure he’d have Evans and Vjax, with no time to get them the damn ball, and Charles Sims would be his running back with stubborn Lovie at the helm.
February 23rd, 2015 at 2:06 am
Hi,
Very biased (and hopefully rational) opinion coming up.
Biased because I’m a U of O grad, and love Marcus. Rational because I’ve seen most of Winston’s games and appreciate that he’s a great player.
Either one of these guys is worthy of being picked by the Bucs.
I was at the Rose Bowl and came away much more impressed with Winston than I thought I would be. He can get the ball in to tight windows with great velocity.
The narrative on Mariota being a ‘running QB with poor accuracy’ is dead wrong. He has always been a pass first guy. His running is mostly to extend plays with some coming on bootlegs, especially on 3rd down. His leg strength and speed in the pocket saved many plays, Oregon’s top 3 tackles spent much of the year injured with a walk-on and a true freshman at times looking like a revolving door with a welcome mat for DEs and blitzing OLBs. Michigan State with their quality D found out how Mariota hangs tough in the pocket.
The Oregon offense is a different from what he will be running in the NFL, but you don’t get a 104-14 TD-INT ration if you can’t read a defense or anticipate plays. His not having experience with dropping back from under center is the big concern, and it’s a legitimate and huge concern. The proliferation of the shotgun and teams running bootlegs in the red zone should help mitigate this, but I can see how it gives scouts pause.
Both of these guys are poised beyond their years. Winston was clutch at the end of games, no denying that. Mariota has amazed every Oregon fan with how calm and collected he is. The low INT numbers are the result of him not forcing throws, settling for throwaways as well as passing of to the safety valve option.
The biggest weakness I see with Mariota is he did have some inopportune fumbles, mostly in the pocket when blindsided. With Jameis it’s his forcing throws, leading to more INTs in one half than Mariota had the whole year. Both are no-nos in the NFL.
I think both have all the tools to be superstars. I think both can be starters from day one. I like Winston’s confidence. I like how Mariota’s teammates are willing to walk to the end of the world for him. Leadership is a strength for both of these young men.
The TMZ atmosphere around Jameis is a concern. We’ve seen too much talent wasted by knuckleheads. Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Mike Vick are just the QBs who come to mind. One poor choice by a young, and well paid, man can set a franchise back for years. Having said that, I think Jameis has been a victim of our click hungry media and has a great chance to clean up his image and stay out of trouble.
I’ll circle back to what I said earlier; Bucs fans should be ecstatic with either one of these guys. I just wanted to dispel some of the misconceptions around Marcus (he can make any throw, he can read a defense, he’s not an athlete playing QB- he’s a QB who happens to be very fast and strong) and show that one can appreciate both QBs. This debate won’t be settled for a couple of years and promises many great Sundays ahead for all of us.
February 23rd, 2015 at 2:24 am
To @ iamkingsu asking how Mariota was sacked 31 times:
* 15 of those sacks came in two games, against WSU and Zona. Those were the two games where Oregon was down to the 4th and 5th string tackles. A hobbled walk-on and a true freshman. Most of the sacks in those games were for short losses, although Zona’s stud LB Scooby Wright (the best LB in the nation) did cause havoc with his blitzes. It was a troubling two game streak, and many Duck fans were confused. In the rematch with Arizona in the Pac-12 title game the mistakes were rectified and then some, as the Ducks were unstoppable on their way to a 52-0 lead.
* The other reason was Coach Helfrich’s (who we love despite him looking like Sling Blade) emphasis limiting turnovers. UO had the fewest in the nation, and I think any football fan would agree that 2 and 15 is better than an interception. I would much rather take 31 sacks than 18 interceptions. A third and long or a punt is preferable to a turnover, ask any Giants fan who has had to watch Eli Manning the past two years.
Mariota’s career sack numbers are a good indication that he’s not a guy who gets hit all the time. The Bucs O-line is atrocious, so I can see how this stat raises red flags for you.
February 23rd, 2015 at 3:08 am
Interesting read Dre. Nice post.
February 23rd, 2015 at 3:10 am
washington state had 3 wins and has far worse athletes than oregon, but sacked him 7 times. come on now.
February 23rd, 2015 at 3:12 am
Secondly Josh McCown has NEVER set an NFL record unless it was “Most Hit QB Ever”
glennon has no record. just because you make up something doesn’t make it a record.
February 23rd, 2015 at 6:11 am
I do believe, Lovie Smith will draft character first. Mariota brings another dimension to the table, in the running game, that Winston doesn’t have. It’s not a problem that Mariota will need more time to develop. Mike Glennon will be fine under Derrick Koetter’s tutelage.
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:59 pm
Pat Says
“Watch Koetter turn Glennon into Money, he will be a Matty Ice clone…running an uptempo spread.”
Won’t happen. Glennon can’t read defenses fast enough. His reaction time is too slow. He’s just not suited to “up tempo”.
February 23rd, 2015 at 2:03 pm
MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says
“Do you actually believe that McClown is better than Glennon? The reason McClown played was because either:
A. Glennon is trade bait, Lovie doesn’t want him hurt or looking bad in the league’s worst offense to bring his stock down.
B. Lovie is a stubborn jackass and didn’t want to yank his boy.”
Or…
…he could be a man of his word. McCown was all set to retire and Lovie had to make promises to keep him from doing so. Likely, he promised McCown would be the starter through the season to get him to come to Tampa.
Really, I’m glad McCown came. While he isn’t starting material, his off season leadership was incredible…better than anyone I’ve seen.
February 23rd, 2015 at 2:52 pm
To @ lurker: Washington State was a 3 win team, but their athletes are still D-1 football players. They aren’t elite like Oregon’s or USC’s, but they have some guys that the Ducks recruited and WSU has produced plenty of NFL talent.
It was an odd performance, but Mariota did complete 21-25 for 330 yds with 5 TDs and 50 yds rushing in a win. Even if he got sacked 20 times I would take that.
There are games that are statistical anomalies, like Winston’s performances against Louisville, Florida or Virginia. The Noles had trouble with Virginia, the same team Mariota torched in a 50 something point win. Football isn’t a perfect science, it only makes sense when there is a large sample size from which to make conclusions. Mariota’s tape and stats show he’s an excellent decision maker, as is Jameis.
To @ MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank – thanks.