Advice Is Low Priority For Mariota
February 19th, 2015
It’s widely known that Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota comes from a college spread offense that doesn’t look much like what is seen in the NFC South on any given Sunday. (Neither does the Bucs’ offense, but that’s not the point here.)
As Joe stood before Mariota today at the NFL Scouting Combine media grilling session, a specific question arose about his upcoming transition.
Woody Cummings of The Tampa Tribune asked Mariota if he’s been talking to current and former NFL quarterbacks who were spread QBs in college like Mariota. You know, was Mariota seeking their take on making the NFL transition?
No, Mariota said.
Of course, that could change in the next nine weeks before the NFL Draft, but it’s interesting that Mariota hasn’t been on the phone yet with guys like Blaine Gabbert, Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, etc.
Perhaps Mariota just wants to stay focused on the key voices in his camp. It’s probably not a bad idea, given how much he’ll be run through the ringer when he goes to private visits and workouts with the Bucs and others. Joe suspects a key focus of that time will be on just how long Mariota’s transition projects to last.
February 19th, 2015 at 5:13 pm
I’m not sure I really like this guy
February 19th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
I will be interested in the difference in questions posed to the two QBs…..
February 19th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
Obviously he has absolutely no character concerns or red flags, and he will transistion much quicker than most people think because he is very smart, very athletic, throws the ball very well, and is extremely coachable.
February 19th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
I think if he had to call other people to ask how to transition his game, that would make him sound unsure of his ability. I like the guy, I hope we draft him.
February 19th, 2015 at 5:22 pm
Joe needed to hear Chris Landry with the Big Dog on 620 this afternoon……major refute on Winston being more NFL ready……
Very enlightening….
February 19th, 2015 at 5:30 pm
I agree with “Scott” – I’m kinda put off by his attitude – sounds almost snobbish. But I wasn’t there and didn’t read his body language. I’ll pay close attention to his future quotes to see if there is more to this.
February 19th, 2015 at 5:31 pm
He loves Jesus, Winston loves Publix. You figure out who strong Christian man Lovie Smith is taking.
February 19th, 2015 at 5:32 pm
Chris Landry was brutally HONEST !!
February 19th, 2015 at 5:32 pm
I’m still sticking to my guns that I hope the Bucs don’t take either top QB. However, if they do insist I really hope it’s this guy
February 19th, 2015 at 5:33 pm
Chris Landry is a noted liar so what he says means jack and I agree with Scott as I am not sure where all this Mariota love comes from as he does not come across as very likeable. Also he seems to have zero energy, which also came across in the beating they were taking by OSU. If your going to get beat at least go down fighting. His personality reminds me quite a bit of previous Bucs qbs and that is not a compliment.
February 19th, 2015 at 5:36 pm
Wow, Chris Landry really took Winston way down while he was on with Duemig. Really thinks Winston will be a bust on and off the field.
February 19th, 2015 at 5:39 pm
Wow….some of you guys should offer your service as talent & personality evaluators to NFL teams….just think….no travel expenses…etc….just watch the player’s presser & render a judgement!!!
My take was totally different….but it had to do with the fact that he didn’t try to avoid any questions and had a quite satisfactory/honest answer to all of them.
I don’t think his “likeability” has ever been questioned at any point in time before your observations.
February 19th, 2015 at 5:41 pm
@ Scott & Coloradobuc
I will be particularly interested in your evaluation of Winston’s press conference…..
February 19th, 2015 at 5:44 pm
You can tell Chris Landry is not impressed with Winston. Wow
February 19th, 2015 at 5:45 pm
Interesting that the Bucs have interviewed Connor Holliday….a spread option QB from Washington……broken leg last year & all…..projected late round pick…..
Trade down crowd must love this news….
February 19th, 2015 at 5:46 pm
Im just saying every time I have seen him talk he seems kind of stuck up and emotionless. Sorry but back when I played I related more to players that played with an edge and this guy has ZERO edge which to me is not appealing.
February 19th, 2015 at 5:46 pm
To me having “character” means more than being polite and quiet. RWilson is a positive polarizing figure. I really don’t see that in Mariota. I see a guy who seems cocky but quiet. Idk something really puts me off about his “character”
JW real to me or at least seems that way.
February 19th, 2015 at 5:48 pm
He’s not exactly bubbly and full of life.
Kinda like he was applying for head librarian.
February 19th, 2015 at 5:49 pm
@TBBF,
Have to agree with you. I think ppl are reading too much into his response. My feeling is I really like the kid, BUT his ability to throw a WR open is a HUGE risk factor (vs the offense he has played in where they are so open they are often standing still waiting for the ball).
If the “speed of the game” is so different for the average player to make the transition, that could double for the QB position
February 19th, 2015 at 5:53 pm
If we do go QB, I would be happy with him.
still rather trade the pick.
February 19th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
Seems to me he is adored at Oregon…..and Winston at FSU…..I mean….I really like a lot of players that don’t play well….and don’t qutie like some that play really well.
I am so glad we don’t have a Cam Newton or Manziel to choose from because I don’t like either.
February 19th, 2015 at 6:04 pm
INDIANAPOLIS — Jameis Winston’s legal worries are not over. Not yet. Not by a long shot.
No, Winston will not go to jail. But the civil lawsuit filed last month against Florida State by the woman who accused Winston of raping her may still be in play well into Winston’s rookie season—and possibly beyond.
No, it will not prevent Winston from being taken first overall in the draft. But it’s not a trivial concern.
February 19th, 2015 at 6:05 pm
Funny Bucrightoff. Glad you kept it to what he has been legally charged and convicted of. No problem with that and it’s something Winston better get used to.
Whoever drafts Winston, he better have thick skin and get used to seeing a lot of crab legs in the stands.
February 19th, 2015 at 6:07 pm
the stadium will need a new section called the crabby corner
February 19th, 2015 at 6:07 pm
No way the Glazers are going to associate their name with Winston #CivilLawSuitLooming #Denial
February 19th, 2015 at 6:13 pm
A perfect answer by Mariota. Now is not the time he needs a lot of voices in his head telling him to do this or do that. There’s plenty of time for that after he gets drafted. Do what got you here! Now all he needs to do is be himself and focus on putting his best foot forward to show teams that he has the skills and the smarts to be a good NFL QB! Period. I love his no nonsense attitude!
I’d tell Winston the same thing if someone asked him that question!
February 19th, 2015 at 6:14 pm
Having small hands is important while stuffing food in your shorts, and stuffing your hands in them when it is cold outside during cold weather games, so I’m sold on Winston. Only one successful NFL QB with hands that small out of the last few dozen? Sounds like a sure fire choice for us….only have to worry about it during those cold weather games, like the ones we would face in Green Bay during the playoffs….no problem.
February 19th, 2015 at 6:18 pm
Relax, the worst thing that can happen to Mariota is that he falls far enough for Chip Kelly to move up and get him. Which is what he wants anyway. The kid is on cruise control. Can’t fail!
February 19th, 2015 at 6:27 pm
Why would he take advice from those scrubs? Really Joe? Dalton and Gabbert, lol.
February 19th, 2015 at 6:31 pm
We have one chance to change our future and his name is not Marcus Mariota. Again I pose the question who is the last qb to do what he is trying to do? And dont even say Wilson as they are not even comparable. Mariota is weak and fragile compared to Wilson. This guy has bust written all over him for a #1 pick. However he would be a fantastic project fourth round pick. I mean he said he not even used to being in a huddle for goodness sake and you want Mr. Whisper to lead grown men?
February 19th, 2015 at 6:31 pm
whats wrong with being more or less uncomfortable with the media
(Marshawn Lynch)
I can understand them
How about others who clearly “need” (more or less) attention; like Warren Sapp – who love to speak in front of cameras.. they can put up a show..
Just like Jameis “interrupting” Jimbo as his PC after the game
(not totally a mock – just showing the difference in personality)
No need to hate/love them for that..
As for “no heart” – you see Mariotta being just very natural leader – on the sidelines or on field , a handclap here a good word there, Teammates coming over to him..
winston is simply more outgoing, but what you see is not always what you get – sometimes putting up a show, an act.. while mariotta is simply is his natural more “dialed in” quiet self..
every player responds differently to both styles..
there is no good or bad about that two “styles” so its stupid pointless to discuss anyway.. but i cant help when reading stuff like “snobbish” when describing Mariotta (dear readers, just get a sense about “aloha” wikipedia it.. undestand where Mario is coming from)
February 19th, 2015 at 6:47 pm
I hear everyone talk about system, but in reality everyone is a system QB, Peyton is a system QB, he understands the system he is in and uses it, Brady is in a completely different type system and is effective. For me I don’t care what kind of system you play in collage offensively, what really matters is what kind of defensive systems you face. You may play a pro style offense but you sure aren’t playing against pro style defense so throws you make out of your pro-style offense are not against pro defenses and if you have a lot interceptions in collage you can expect them to triple in the pros because the defenses are that much better. I really would like us to take Mariota because of his character but would be happy with either.
February 19th, 2015 at 6:51 pm
Needs work on the huddle.
Kinda fundamental.
Oh, the snap too.
Whoops.
February 19th, 2015 at 6:51 pm
Chris Landry is a genius. #Thatisall #MariotascomingtoTampa
February 19th, 2015 at 6:53 pm
A real class act. He talks in complete sentences. He is polite and knowledgeable. He’s faster, has a better arm, and is a more complete player than Winston. Has the demeanor of Rodgers. He’s likely to fall in the draft like Rodgers did and all the teams that didn’t take him will regret it.
February 19th, 2015 at 6:54 pm
And I definitely think that girl will be filing a civil lawsuit as soon as Winston signs a contract. Bad publicity = Bucs aren’t drafting Winston
February 19th, 2015 at 6:57 pm
no matter how much you people pine for the choir boy get used to Winston. He is lovies ONLY choice to keep his job…. Get your Winston Bucs jersey’s early haters.
February 19th, 2015 at 6:59 pm
This is the ball.
Then we stand in a circle and you call what is known as a play.
This guy here is the center.
Uh oh.
February 19th, 2015 at 7:01 pm
Tmaxcon, you are blind and seemingly not too intelligent.
February 19th, 2015 at 7:03 pm
So Erik you dont like Winston but you think I guy who was FOUND GUILTY OF PLAGIARISM( http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2008/12/06/duemig-dumps-landry/)is a genius? This just shows your true colors and you believe what anyone tells you. Is this really Landrys opinion or did he steal that as well? And gravelivin makes a great point it is about what kind of defenses you face. What kind of difficult defenses did Mariota face since they had zero time to disguise their defenses due to them going at warp speed? Thats right very vanilla with little to no disguises so there was no reading a defense as most of the throws where determined presnap. Do you guys even watch football?
February 19th, 2015 at 7:07 pm
Might make it in arena or Canadian league after the NFL chews him up like all the other flashy Oregon QBs.
February 19th, 2015 at 7:08 pm
bucsnation.com
has an article titled “Mariota is killing the interviews”
February 19th, 2015 at 7:10 pm
@Erik….dollars to donuts there are more than one law suit ….laying low until Jameis actually has cash….no need to make him poorer before filing suit
February 19th, 2015 at 7:39 pm
Mariota is the only option at QB for us. You wanna win you go with Mariota. Has all the tangibles you want in a QB and more. To easy. Draft Super Mario.
February 19th, 2015 at 7:40 pm
To have an offense like Seattle or the Packers. Fantastic.
February 19th, 2015 at 7:46 pm
This is getting harder to pick a side. I like Mariota’s ceiling and potential but I’m not crazy about his low energy, calm demeanor. Josh Freeman had that demeanor and it did have a trickle effect.
Not saying he is Josh Freeman but a high energy get off your ass and work kinda QB is what we need. That is a concern for me. I will be watching the Winston press conference. If he looks like he is sincere it will boost his stock no doubt.
Man what a decision to make…
February 19th, 2015 at 7:56 pm
Tom Edrington Says
“Joe needed to hear Chris Landry with the Big Dog on 620 this afternoon……major refute on Winston being more NFL ready……
Very enlightening….”
Thanks for the heads up! I’ll have to go listen to the podcast!
February 19th, 2015 at 7:59 pm
“Might make it in arena or Canadian league after the NFL chews him up like all the other flashy Oregon QBs.”
Maybe he can back up Ponder and Manuel there.
February 19th, 2015 at 8:02 pm
Robert 9 Says
“the stadium will need a new section called the crabby corner”
That is probably the only thing you’ve ever said that made me grin.
February 19th, 2015 at 8:03 pm
Should be a lot of pissed of parents tonight when they get home. Lots of children unattended on computers today.
February 19th, 2015 at 8:06 pm
Mariota is smart enough to become a great NFL QB.
I’m concerned about him surviving the hits.
The best case is to NOT start him. Do like the Packers with Rodgers
and let him sit while CANNON-Farve puts on a clinic.
Lol, I hope.
LINE! Got-dag-nurbit O-LINE!
All of this QB pontification is going to be moot if the line still sucks.
I’m one for continuity…but keeping an eye for obvious upgrades.
Let Koetter call the shots on oline renovation.
February 19th, 2015 at 8:09 pm
Lovie thinks Mariota translates fine to the NFL and has seen him make the throws. Easy decision, go with the Duck and win a Superbowl.
February 19th, 2015 at 8:12 pm
Re: taking hits…
Last I read, Mariota has put on some muscle and weighs almost the same thing that a slimmed down Jameis weighs.
February 19th, 2015 at 8:12 pm
ndog Says
“We have one chance to change our future and his name is not Marcus Mariota. Again I pose the question who is the last qb to do what he is trying to do? And dont even say Wilson as they are not even comparable. Mariota is weak and fragile compared to Wilson.”
Oh, that’s classy. Pose a challenge and then remove the obvious option. Newsflash, Wilson was NOT drafted as the developed talent he is now. He has put on weight even.
But hey, I guess Newton doesn’t count either. Colin Kaepernick only went to the superbowl.
February 19th, 2015 at 8:16 pm
If Mariota is weak and fragile then Winston is to. He had a hurt ankle.
February 19th, 2015 at 8:20 pm
Bucs hired an O-lineman as Director of player development.
February 19th, 2015 at 8:24 pm
I heard Mariota is a real mama’s boy and may not be comfortable all the way way over on the eastcoast. Too far from family in Hawaii.
You may draft him and only have him for one contract.
I’m a Member of GatorNation so I hate Winston with all my being but he is the right pick for the Buc’s
February 19th, 2015 at 8:26 pm
Mariota conducts himself very much like Rodgers who is also low key and calm. Montana is another guy that conducts low key presses. Did anyone ever see Elway give interviews as a rookie? Again, another great QB who can never be confused as a refined public speaker….so what, big deal.
February 19th, 2015 at 8:36 pm
Mariota will need to “find his voice” in order to be successful in the NFL. His quiet and reserved nature will not translate in the NFL, not in the position of quarterback. He will need not only to talk in the huddle but to take charge of it as well. We read much of how difficult it might be of Winston to undergo a character change off the field. Perhaps we should also consider the difficulties Mariota may have adjusting his quiet and reserved nature on it. Still both are tremendous talents. Good luck to both!
February 19th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
The hunting ground is a flabby 231 they just said lol they said he lost 17 pounds but was not a good 17 pounds. Can you say Russell or bust or criminal
February 19th, 2015 at 8:46 pm
I dont see Mariota pulling receivers to the side and having a “chat” with receivers when they dont do their job (ex. Brady, Winston, etc.) and gettng them and the team fired back up. When he lost i saw Mariota hanging his head on the sideline.
February 19th, 2015 at 8:53 pm
I love how the MM crowd is just so positive about him and ragging on Winston in the process. Is that all you can say? “I like his demeanor”. I’m not cool on waiting 3 or 4 years for him to develop or bust. Oh yeah, he played from a huddle in high school. Woo hoo. If we don’t draft JW at number one, please trade down. Character keeps us in the fricken basement.
February 19th, 2015 at 9:02 pm
Flowers was a beast today. Put up 225 37 times.
February 19th, 2015 at 9:02 pm
Not …… “The Kevin” Says:
Mariota’s not low-energy on the football field. Good enough for me. He can sleep through his press conferences for all I care.
February 19th, 2015 at 9:03 pm
Mariota is better overall athlete than Winston. His mechanics are better as well. Nice quick release versus a long release from Winston. Mariota can extend plays better than Winston. So far the only thing I’ve heard that is good about Winston is the offense he played in. Doesn’t impress me. He regressed this year.
February 19th, 2015 at 9:04 pm
Whoops. That was supposed to read:
@Not …… “The Kevin” Says:
I like Mariota’s ceiling and potential but I’m not crazy about his low energy . . .
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Mariota’s not low energy on the football field. Good enough for me. He can sleep through his press conferences for all I care.
February 19th, 2015 at 9:05 pm
NYbucsfan,
The picture everybody talks about was taken in early January, before the 17 lbs were lost.
February 19th, 2015 at 9:08 pm
With the extra weight Winston kind of reminds me of Jamarcus Russell
February 19th, 2015 at 9:11 pm
“I love how the MM crowd is just so positive about him and ragging on Winston in the process. Is that all you can say? “I like his demeanor”. I’m not cool on waiting 3 or 4 years for him to develop or bust.”
3 or 4 years, wow…
February 19th, 2015 at 9:14 pm
All we can do is project with little information..Winston shows Leaf and Leftwich like qualities while Mariota still has to learn things like calling a play from the huddle or cadence at the line of scrimmage . With that said the wise choice is develop Mariota and start Glennon given the circumstances because Mariota’s problems can be learned but Winston’s problems are innate character flaws (anyone who denies that is just an FSU fan in denial).
February 19th, 2015 at 9:15 pm
“Mariota’s not low energy on the football field. Good enough for me. He can sleep through his press conferences for all I care.”
Exactly. These are professionals. You lead with your play and composure.
February 19th, 2015 at 9:17 pm
Not a picture ESPN said today he looked like a flabby 231
February 19th, 2015 at 9:21 pm
“With that said the wise choice is develop Mariota and start Glennon given the circumstances because Mariota’s problems can be learned but Winston’s problems are innate character flaws (anyone who denies that is just an FSU fan in denial.)”
Agreed. Not to mention Winston’s on field flaws as well. Both have downsides, as all prospects do.
February 19th, 2015 at 9:21 pm
Bill Says:
February 19th, 2015 at 9:05 pm
NYbucsfan,
The picture everybody talks about was taken in early January, before the 17 lbs were lost.
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Since the Rose Bowl was on Jan. 1st and you said this picture was in early January. Are you saying he was 17 punds overweight for this huge game he is supposed to be in peak shape for? That is not what you look for in a franchise quarterback. When he delevops his man weight in 2-3 years he will convert to TE
February 19th, 2015 at 9:30 pm
“The picture everybody talks about was taken in early January, before the 17 lbs were lost.”
Right in the middle of playoff time?
February 19th, 2015 at 9:32 pm
Youngry…on ESPN, they weren’t talking about pictures…they were talking about what the people supposedly in the know saw at the combine weigh in…they said Winston had lost about 17 lbs, but said they wonder what kind of weight he lost, as he looked flabby.
February 19th, 2015 at 9:33 pm
FSU conditioning team needs to answer why he was swelling around 250 during the most important part of the year. He just turned 21 last month! Yikes We will need a storage unit for all these red flags
February 19th, 2015 at 9:34 pm
Winstons….throwing motion,3/4 sidearm, pass rushers are going to have a field day chopping the ball loose….watch his freak’n delivery !
February 19th, 2015 at 9:54 pm
I’m not talking about a picture I’m talking today at the combine they said today he was a flabby 231 not a picture today in person. bill polain also said today he will have to meet with the team nutritionist to try to figure out what weight he should be at and weight could be an offseason concern
February 19th, 2015 at 9:59 pm
BFFL, what Leaf like qualities does Winston have?
February 19th, 2015 at 10:09 pm
I have some advice for Mariota….
Pack your bags for cold weather. It get’s brrrr cold in Philly or NY.
February 19th, 2015 at 10:13 pm
Winston checked in at 6’3 3/4″ and 231 pounds. That’s hardly fat at all.
Carry on with your silly talk.
February 19th, 2015 at 10:13 pm
NYbucfan,
Yes, Winstons weight could be a problem. It’s something the team will have to monitor along with every other player. It’s why teams have nutritionists and strength coaches. He’s 230 now, he was 250 during the Auburn game. The change is something to note, but I’m not sure what his ideal playing weight is.
February 19th, 2015 at 10:18 pm
Yungry,
George Whitfield (Winstons trainer) said the picture was taken in early January, I don’t know exactly when that would be (2nd to the 13th?). That’s what I’ve heard. Obviously, Winston didn’t waste much time getting back to work.
February 19th, 2015 at 10:27 pm
Why am I seeing people put winstons name alongside established NFL greats like Brady, Rodgers, Brees…? What the hell is wrong with you people?
February 19th, 2015 at 10:27 pm
One thing I think we can all agree on. If we draft Winston let’s not pose him with a tiger dressed like Michael Jackson.
Or Marcus.
Please no.
February 19th, 2015 at 10:37 pm
“Why am I seeing people put winstons name alongside established NFL greats like Brady, Rodgers, Brees…?”
Would it make sense to compare Winston’s future to the NFL career of Dak Prescott? Nope. I’m sure everybody is aware MM or Winston have yet to play an NFL down.
February 19th, 2015 at 10:47 pm
Well when I think of Marcus I can’t get Akili Smith and Joey Harrington out of my mind.
The Oregon QB bust list is very long.
The success list nonexistent.
But Jameis is 9 pounds heavier than Marcus……..woo hoo. You guys are a trip.
February 19th, 2015 at 10:57 pm
some good news today people bucs say Vincent Jackson not going anywhere this year.
February 19th, 2015 at 10:59 pm
Draft Winston if you want to win. Mariota is the next Manziel.
February 19th, 2015 at 11:05 pm
Roethlisberer’s weight coming out of college was 241.
February 19th, 2015 at 11:10 pm
MM is BY FAR the best QB prospect to come out of Oregon. JW is also, BY FAR the best QB prospect to come from FSU or Jimbo. Winston’s 2 year career is better than Russel’s 3 year career. Seriously, look it up.
Both of these guys are very good. The mudslinging is ridiculous.
February 19th, 2015 at 11:10 pm
One of my biggest concerns about Mariota is if he’s mentally tough enough to handle failure or disgruntled fans if he gets off to a rocky start in his nfl career.
February 19th, 2015 at 11:21 pm
@eirc just as many bust out of Jimbo fishers system and they are first rounders so that argument holds no weight. Speaking of weight Winston is fat and flabby like J Russell he has small hands accused of rape, steals,shoots windows out, and publicly degrades women, is there anymore we can add to his list?
February 19th, 2015 at 11:23 pm
“The success list is nonexistent.”
Ever heard of a guy named Dan Fouts? Eh, he didn’t do much, just made it into this thing called the Hall of Fame, whatever that is. The argument of using a school’s QB history is as ridiculous as some of the Winston haters arguments.
February 19th, 2015 at 11:44 pm
I swear…did they stop teaching reading in schools? IT WASN”T PICTURES…it was his check in weight and look at the COMBINE. Maybe you folks should tune into ESPN for the news before saying such ignorant things as a picture. With all the air brushing and such now days, no one would rely on a picture for anything…and neither will football professionals …unreal…that is a bigger disgrace to think such than our record last year.
February 19th, 2015 at 11:50 pm
Wow had to go all the way back to Dan Fouts.
Hilarious.
The point is the system they currently run at Oregon hasn’t produced a good NFL QB.
Jimbo’s type of offense, although not Jimbo himself, has produced many many great NFL QB’s.
The hyped up collegiate spread – not so much. Look at the top ten ranked QB’s in the NFL and count how many came out of that kind of offense in college. You won’t get to one.
This, in general, is why so many more football people pick Jameis over Marcus.
Lovie Smith and Licht agree with this. They may not say it publicly, but they agree. They already know they are picking Winston.
The combine is for them to fill out the rest of their board. QB is set. Sure they are keeping their options open in case someone offers a Kings ransom. But the Jameis v. Marcus decision has been easily made from the tape.
February 19th, 2015 at 11:50 pm
NYBUCS….add to the list? Tomorrow is another chance to uncovers some more red flags. Frankly, reading some of the Winston Worshipers try to brush everything under the rug as they have, makes you wonder what drug they majored in. I’d say, let the pro’s do all the investigations, look at all the question marks and his positive attributes, do the same with Mariota, and draft the best guy or trade out if someone makes a deal you can’t refuse. But I guess that is too “clear eyed” a way of looking at it.
February 19th, 2015 at 11:58 pm
Lovie is drafting Mariota.
February 20th, 2015 at 12:02 am
The Glazers, Licht, and Lovie can easily draft Jameis Winston, and then sleep restlessly and fitfully, if at all, expecting that 3:00 a.m. phone call.
February 20th, 2015 at 12:15 am
Yeah why ask help from losers Mariota all the way to Tampa Bay
February 20th, 2015 at 12:18 am
Well when you imply that a QB cant turn out well in the NFL simply because of what school he went to it makes you look like an idiot. Why didnt you just say QB’s who run spreads don’t typically fare well in the NFL? Which BTW is not true.
Now, spread OPTION, that’s a different story.
February 20th, 2015 at 12:23 am
After watching Winston on the sideline at the end of the Rose Bowl throwing temper tantrums, throwing and kicking things, screaming at his teammates and yelling in his coach’s face, I seriously doubt that he will be able to handle the pressure of being an NFL QB
February 20th, 2015 at 12:23 am
I’m confused….many posters are absolutely positively certain that the Bucs are picking Winston…..and there are also many who are absolutely positively certain the Bucs are picking Mariota.
I don’t really have a clue….I guess I’m just a dumb $hit who doesn’t know anything about football.
February 20th, 2015 at 12:30 am
If it was really so easy to pick a franchise QB based on watching film, attending the combine and pro days, conducting interviews, and hosting team visits, then every NFL team would have a “franchise” QB.
If it was that easy, there would have been no Manning-Leaf debate. Aaron Rodgers wouldn’t have dropped to pick 24 in the first round. Drew Brees wouldn’t have dropped to the second round. Russell Wilson wouldn’t have dropped to the third round. Tom Brady wouldn’t have dropped to the sixth round. Tony Romo and Kurt Warner wouldn’t have gone undrafted.
The draft is largely a crapshoot. You really can’t project how someone will play in the NFL until they actually play in the NFL.
Some guys have major red flags, and then set the NFL on fire. Others look like sure-fire locks, and fail miserably.
Success in the NFL is like success in any aspect of life. A lot of it is just opportunity and circumstance.
It’s fun, as armchair commenters, to so authoritatively dissect every little element of a player’s skill set or personality, as if we knew what we were talking about, or could foretell the future.
And, in reality, if NFL draft picks were chosen by fan opinion, many teams would fare better in the long term than they did by trusting their own expert analysis.
Personally, I believe that if you stock your roster with solid football players, superstars will emerge from that roster. Don’t overdraft or reach for star quality. Let stardom grow.
I love Winston because I’m an FSU homer. But Mariota looks solid as a rock to me as a pick. That’s why I would pick Mariota, and rest easy.
February 20th, 2015 at 12:31 am
Bucs will pick either Winston or Mariota or NEITHER!
February 20th, 2015 at 1:04 am
Senor Mo Fo no es un hipocrita.
February 20th, 2015 at 1:04 am
@joe
Hmm…well, I guess this will come as a shock to some of the most successful teams in the league and division over the past few years. Seattle, San Fran…two of these teams have played head-to-head in the Super Bowl, one has a Superbowl win and a loss in successive seasons, and then there’s Carolina – who has won the NFC South and gone to the playoff’s in back-to-back seasons….
Also, about that whole “not reaching out to NFL QB’s…yeah that’s basically not true. He’s been working working with Kevin O’connell and Phillip Rivers…
So, there’s that…
February 20th, 2015 at 1:06 am
@carlstoe. I Love it!
February 20th, 2015 at 1:16 am
@knuckledragger
Señor Mofo quiere lo mejor para los Bucs.
February 20th, 2015 at 2:10 am
@ Bill : Good point. But on the other hand, there are so many people on these posts that think Winston is the next NFL great. I mean they might as well just induct him into the HOF. Screw the draft just put him in Canton. The love for this kid reminds me a lot of last year with the Manuel love. I understand that there’s a ton of FSU fans who post here, but don’t let that cloud your judgement. Im not a Winston supporter but if that’s who the bucs select at #1 then I will become his biggest fan. I just want the bucs to become relevant again. MM or JW I don’t care…
February 20th, 2015 at 4:07 am
@ Joe- come on buddy, be a little less biased. Reporting that the Duck is not communicating with Blaine Gabbert, Cam Newton, and Dalton is completely ridiculous. Should Jameis be in communication with Honey Badger or Warren Sapp based on their character concerns pre-draft?
Mr. Meat? Why are you considering this negative and biased. Just as many might view Mariota not reaching out as a show of confidence, a good thing. Bias goes in all directions. –Joe
Insinuating he isn’t doing his due-diligence by not reaching out to one of them (like Jameis did with Harbaugh in at Michigan) is not a bad thing. This kid could call up Chip informally without anyone knowing and find out all he needs to know about the NFL and his transition- but he is also very bright and likely understands the task before him better than most Heisman winners who have been in his position. It also does not hurt that Johnny had about the worst possible transition you could have had, and is now in REHAB. Marriota will be fine because he is a great kid, JUST LIKE R.WILSON is.
February 20th, 2015 at 7:30 am
I’m going to do shots during the Winston interview today.. Every time they ask him a football related question i will drink.. I’m pretty sure ill still be sober by the end of it..
February 20th, 2015 at 7:35 am
@White Tiger you made some valid points.. but what Joe said was “Woody Cummings of The Tampa Tribune asked Mariota if he’s been talking to current and former NFL quarterbacks who were SPREAD QBs in college like Mariota” notice the capitalized word.. Lets make sure we read every word in the sentence before we start trying to spin things..
February 20th, 2015 at 7:38 am
@bucrightoff interesting angle… but this is Florida, people worship Publix.. so we’ll see.. should be a tight race to the stretch… I love me some Publix fried chicken..
February 20th, 2015 at 7:59 am
Tom Edrington Says:
February 19th, 2015 at 5:22 pm
Joe needed to hear Chris Landry with the Big Dog on 620 this afternoon……major refute on Winston being more NFL ready……
Very enlightening….
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Enlightening in the aspect that he agrees with you and 97% of the other experts do not. The insiders at NFL.com have better resources at hand than you, Chris Landry, or 95% of the other guys that make a living at this, and almost unanimously have Winston going number overall.
February 20th, 2015 at 8:28 am
Who is Chris Landry?
February 20th, 2015 at 9:21 am
If your not sold on Winston. You must be an idiot according to all the FSU homers. Shocker…
February 20th, 2015 at 9:23 am
To the people saying he asked to repeat the questions too much, listen again. Every time he did it, it was because of one guy…the man starting the same question over and over:
“Marcus, you’re training with…”
Honestly, I was feeling sorry for the guy, because he kept getting interrupted until he finally spoke over anyone else. But it took like 3-4 tries at least.
The man had a loud voice, making it hard to hear over it.
One thing that impressed me was his habit to look the person asking a question in the eyes. Too many people no longer do that these days.
Anyone trying to put a negative spine on this presser is warped in the head.
February 20th, 2015 at 9:26 am
The Landry interview is at:
http://www.iheart.com/show/182-Steve-Duemig/?episode_id=27163735
February 20th, 2015 at 9:28 am
Although I am hoping we get Winston I won’t be too upset if they decide for whatever reason that Mariota is the guy. However, after listening to him I have to say he does not seem like a leader of men. On the field in the system he runs he is electric. However, listening to him speak I got the sense that he was about to fall asleep. While everyone talks about his great character, I have to say he has very little to zero charisma. As a QB I think you need some of that Brady like fire and I don’t see that in Mariota. Just an observation.
February 20th, 2015 at 9:31 am
Which team is Chris Landry the GM of again??? You can do all the analytics you want.. there are to many variables for it to be a perfect science..Hell Bryce Petty or Brett Hundley could end up being the best 2 QB’s in this drafts when its all said and done, we have no idea… Everyone lets there personal opinions of a person good or bad affect their true analysis. 98% of the sports world say JW is the more pro ready QB and i suppose to listen to small market sports talk host and his hand picked guest..
Here’s some logical analytics:
The Bucs are in a great positions.. They have the opportunity to draft 1 of 2 great college QB’s or can stock pile picks if they can trade down…Sounds like they are in a Win Win situation in my book…
February 20th, 2015 at 10:14 am
@Josh P
Landry served as Coach, Scout and Administrator at the College Football and NFL levels, so I think he knows his stuff. He’s been to over 30 combines as well.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:21 am
Bucfan4life Says
“…after listening to him I have to say he does not seem like a leader of men. On the field in the system he runs he is electric. However, listening to him speak I got the sense that he was about to fall asleep. While everyone talks about his great character, I have to say he has very little to zero charisma.”
A few things on this…first, how the heck do you determine if he is a leader of men through a single interview where he was likely nervous, in front of more reporters than he has ever faced at one time and with background noise all over?
Second, “fall sleep?” Come on now. You are just trying tp pick out things or make them up at this point. He has a calm demeanor…but he knows what he is capable of and figures to prove it on the field. That’s more Brady-like than you admit.
Thirdly, charisma, which I actually DID SEE, doesn’t win football games anyway. And don’t try to tell me that Winston has charisma. Last I checked, a leader of men doesn’t blame every other player on his team like Winston did in the Rose Bowl., or get in the face of his coach.
I swear, if you Winston supporters held Winston to the same standard you hold Mariota, you would be all about drafting Mariota.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:33 am
Bonzai I can promise you that after watching a lot of video on Mariota I am basically 50/50 on which QB I prefer. There is a lot to like and I almost think his potential is even better than Winston. There has been a lot of talk with experts talking about the fact that he is not that alpha male type of guy. He is soft spoken and probably was a little nervous, but he does seem almost shy. With the team we have I would prefer that he was more of a leader because Lord knows we need some of that. It was just an honest statement about what I sensed from the interview.
February 20th, 2015 at 10:56 am
FFS it’s a press conference. This isn’t the WWE people, he’s not going to smash a beer can on his head or start throwing chairs around to show his energy level behind the podium. We don’t need a cheerleader, we need a QB.
There is no one set personality type to be a leader. If this kid balls out and puts in the work, the team will follow and won’t want to let him down. Respect is the key to leadership.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:24 am
The alpha male/leadership thing has been questioned by many experts. Luckily Koetter will be able to get plenty of Intel from his buddy Mark Helfich.
February 20th, 2015 at 12:28 pm
Joe- I misunderstood your take and agree with you that MM having confidence in himself and his ability to transition is a good thing. It was the title that got me fired up- “advice is a low priority for MM”. Even rereading, the title doesn’t sound positive out of context.
February 20th, 2015 at 2:30 pm
@JoshP
I need no direction as to the wording. Why would Mariota NEED (I got your capitalization right here<<<) to call the other spread QB's? He knows that system, can text/call Chip Kelly whenever he needs to…the guys he NEEDS to talk to are the guys who see things from the perspective of the teams that WON'T run a spread…
Which is why Mariota HAS reached out to QB's more familiar with calling plays in a huddle – something he hasn't done since high school. See, the teams I listed run pretty close to a pure spread – the way MM ran it at Oregon – but even these teams augment the playcalling with a more traditional/complimentary system. The west coast offense shares some concepts and personnel. The difference is that if you run the WCO without a huddle, it's done with verbally as your walking to the line…not so with the spread-option, it's a visual system.
The take-away is, MM knows he's likely to go to a team seeking a mobile QB – so he's talking to QB's about using terminology. He's got a couple of good "mentors"…for that transition.
Try to keep up.