Adam Schein Responds
February 27th, 2015
The host of “Schein on Sports” responds to Joe’s commentary.
Yesterday, Joe brought word of what sounded like a double standard from popular radio and TV personality Adam Schein (who Joe likes a lot). Schein reiterated on his morning show, “Schein on Sports,” found on Mad Dog Radio, part of the family of sports channels heard exclusively on SiriusXM Radio, how he wouldn’t touch Jameis Winston due to his off-field escapades.
But Schein confessed in the same monologue he was a backer of Titans quarterback Zack Mettenberger. Joe thought this was, well, contradictory. How could Schein support Mettenberger, who plead guilty to sexual assault in college, and rail against Winston, who was cleared three times of an allegation of sexual assault?
Yesterday, good chap that he is, Schein clarified his statements, which makes sense now.
@BucLegend99 whoa. Didn’t see that! Major leap by JBF. We are talking number 1 overall pick v a day 3 guy!
— Adam Schein (@AdamSchein) February 26, 2015
@JoeBucsFan no worries Joe. I was cool with what you wrote. You quoted accurately. Your opinion! But dif between pick number 1 and round 6 — Adam Schein (@AdamSchein) February 26, 2015
Schein, if Joe can take a bit of liberty, believes if the Bucs (or any team drafting Winston No. 1 overall) would be gambling on Winston because if he kept doing dumb things, then it would be costly for the team that drafted him. Whereas if Mettenberger, a Day Three pick, did more stupid things, the blow of the loss to the Titans would be minimal.
If Joe is assessing Schein accurately, then Schein was totally fair and understandable. Joe appreciates the clarification from Schein. A good guy with an even better show.
February 27th, 2015 at 9:20 am
Kudos to Schein to take the time to answer and clarify!
Joe, I am surprised that more reaction did come from the sentence that he was most dead on.
Schein says: “You are going to ignore it probably because you are the Bucs. And you are clueless. And you are desperate.”
February 27th, 2015 at 9:21 am
So his issue wasn’t some moral stance, but more about value and risk.
How business like.
February 27th, 2015 at 9:24 am
Jameis Winston is an accused rapist. Jameis Winston is an accused criminal. #Facts #WhereThereIsSmokeThereIsFire I’d rather go 0-16 instead of having this Creep as the Face of the Franchise. Don’t screw it up Glazers.
February 27th, 2015 at 9:29 am
Barry,
Can I interest you in something called “Innocent until proven guilty?”
February 27th, 2015 at 9:32 am
Schein says: “You are going to ignore it probably because you are the Bucs. And you are clueless. And you are desperate.”
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I demand fair play here! Equal time!
At some point we need an article on teams investigating Mariotta’s character and maturity issues.
BTW Joe, I don’t necessarily agree with Schein regarding the difference between a first and 6th round pick when it comes to incidents of domestic violence and sexual assault.
The NFL won’t.
Decent of Schein to respond though.
February 27th, 2015 at 9:34 am
So from what i gathered Schein is okay is players sexually assault females they just need to be drafted on day 3 not the first round. Got it.
Schein came off looking even more like a douche.
February 27th, 2015 at 9:36 am
While i wait on Joe to finish moderating my comment. #BarryGiveMeMyCarBack
February 27th, 2015 at 9:37 am
Understandable, but thats what seperates the great teams from the good ones.. Good Gms/Front offices sometimes have to make gambles on players. Unfortunately when the Bucs take those chances most have failed. Winston/Mariota or whoever the pick may be we CAN NOT afford to miss this one or we will be set back even further if thats even possible
February 27th, 2015 at 9:37 am
Joe ever time you say he was cleared three times you are miss leading your readers he was never cleared no one ever said he didn’t do it. He wasn’t charged due to a lack of evidence. A quote from your state attorney” something happend that night and it wasn’t good” but guess what FSU and the police drop the ball or covered it up so hard to charge someone when people don’t do there job. I the the retired supreme court justice had the same put come lack of evidence. No one ever said he didn’t do it
Look at what you’re saying. Do you have any idea how easy it is to indict someone on a criminal charge? You might want to look deeper into this case. –Joe
February 27th, 2015 at 9:38 am
@Barry ………………………………..Never mind.
February 27th, 2015 at 9:42 am
You are letting him off easy Joe. He is aware that his position is biased. First, all implications based on the evidence suggest that Winston’s accuser is lying. People that share Mr. Schein disdain from Winston will point to the conspiracy of a botched investigation with concocted statements of proof that does not exits in reality. Second, I fail to grasp the reasoning that it is okay to support a rapist so long as he is not draft number one overall.
February 27th, 2015 at 9:48 am
Most Mocks have us taking Winston because he is more “NFL Ready” and Mariota may take some time….that is because they agree with Schein that we are “desperate”
February 27th, 2015 at 9:54 am
if you didn’t have a “victim” change her story multiple times with zero drugs in her system, and a BAC of .04 at the time of the test and estimated at .10 at the time of the encounter maybe just maybe people might give her a leg to stand on. You guys act like no one every gets falsely accused of sexual assault ever.. SAO might not have found him innocent but if there was any shred of evidence that pointed at this being a sexual assault they would have taken it to trial. There was ZERO evidence that pointed to him assaulting her. How many holes have to be in her story before people start seeing the light. And if you think the new documentary is going to change anything you’re clueless. It’ll give her one more chance to change her story while using her parents to play the sympathy card.
February 27th, 2015 at 9:55 am
who knew joe would run so fast with his tail between his legs…..wow afraid of SiriusXM Radio huh. it’s still a double standard no matter what excuse he gave!!! you actually go on your site to retract something about the media but never about players that’s just weak. but oh well guess I just don’t like a guy who knows nothing but yet takes every chance he gets to blast this organization. really weak IMO and all this extra press is ruining the game, media can say or do anything and get away with it because they control the voices out there which is why players don’t really like you very much
What exactly did Joe retract? Newsflash: if any player coach or media type wants to dispute anything here publicly, like Schein did, Joe would find that interesting and would share it with readers. Unlike Joe’s media brethren, Joe has no problem sharing public criticism of what’s written here. Like when Tom Jones misrepresented Joe in the Tampa Bay Times and, effectively, claimed Joe was lying, Joe shared that here and rebutted the points, letting readers decide.–Joe
February 27th, 2015 at 9:58 am
Huge difference between grabbing some girls boob and butt in a bar and being accused of rape… Mettenberger pled guilty for judicial expediency, happens everyday in court rooms all over America, not everybody gets accused of rape though. The more you look at the kid and hear the excuses made for him, there’s seems to be a huge lack of accountability, not by him, but by those around him. Is his ego that fragile that he can’t take the criticism, that others have to make excuses for his bad play and bd behavior, not once have aI heard him say, I was wrong, I screwed up, everyone else does it for him. Just another red flag…
February 27th, 2015 at 10:01 am
@flmike
who the hell would admit they were wrong especially if they don’t have enough evidence to convict you guilty or not…..who would say thye were wrong if they think they were innocent or guilty. i have to believe you have more common sense than that
February 27th, 2015 at 10:04 am
The Bucs are desperate you are correct. You think L&L are looking at where the Bucs are going to be 5 years down the road. They just went 2-14. They have to win NOW. I am good with both players being drafted, I lean towards JW because i’ve seen what this kid can do when his back is against the wall. Mariota is a hell of an athlete at the QB position and he seems very smart and i think both QB will be very good in this league. Now put yourself in L&L shoes. They have to win this coming year. Another 2 to 5 win season and they very well could be getting fired. I feel JW give you the best chance to win next season which is why IMO i think they go with JW.
Like i’ve said before. As a Bucs fan I’m in a Win Win situation. No matter who they go with. they Bucs will have a very good QB. Im not worried about L&L.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:05 am
who knows if he did it or not……we will never know.
the question is can you support him as the face of your franchise.
personally I can not. every time he takes the field, does a press conference etc, it would make my stomach churn.
just a difference of opinion based on my perception of not only the incident, but all his actions, attitude, maturity etc.
at what point does winning become more important than a persons moral character? and we each have our own perception of that based on our own paradigm. bucs have a tough choice.
I am firmly in the trade back camp and stock the trenches.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:06 am
@ joe who said he was cleared is what I’m asking. Never in anything did I hear anyone say he is cleared he didn’t do it. All I have heard is can’t charge due to a lack of evidence. To me that’s not the same thing. Did the state attorney megg say FSU and the police didn’t so there job. didn’t even do the basics and didn’t he all so say something happened that night something bad? Thats your state attorney not just some guys opinion. I understand your bias but those are facts.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:09 am
People continue to ignore the existing evidence and Erica’s own witnesses who refute her (multiple) accounts of the story.
Do you think her own friends are lying against her?
February 27th, 2015 at 10:10 am
Joe, you should have been able to figure that out on your own. I don’t know HOW many times that we in the Trade Down Crowd have said that we are not Against having Winston OR Mariota. Just NOT with the No. 1 overall pick.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:10 am
BRIAN BANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 27th, 2015 at 10:11 am
Actually. Legally speaking BAC is actually helping the victims case. If you are drunk you cannot legally consent. Sooo pointing our she was drunk is a bad move if you are trying to undermine the witness.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:15 am
“Dan Says:
February 27th, 2015 at 10:11 am
Actually. Legally speaking BAC is actually helping the victims case. If you are drunk you cannot legally consent. Sooo pointing our she was drunk is a bad move if you are trying to undermine the witness.”
Dan, I’m not sure how much time you have spent on a college campus. Anyone want to try to guess how much consensual sex occurs on a Saturday night where one or both participants are legally drunk? Is someone implying those are rapes?
Apparently, I have been raped multiple times by the females.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:19 am
It is so funny to watch you guys bicker back and forth.
And Barry is singlehandedly defeating ISIS
February 27th, 2015 at 10:21 am
@bucs4lyfe Says:
I was specifically referring to the rape allegation, that a whole other story, I was referring to his bad play (18 ints), and immature actions…
February 27th, 2015 at 10:21 am
@ Josh P.
I really don’t think L&L are as desperate as many think…..I believe the Glazers plan to support Lovie for the long haul….could be wrong…but they have not succeeded by HC turnover….I believe they have given the green light on either QB and the development necessary…..
February 27th, 2015 at 10:22 am
@bucs4lyfe Says:
should read “I wasn’t specifically…”
February 27th, 2015 at 10:22 am
If you know who the accuser is no matter how much money you make or what your social status is, guilty verdict shouldn’t be very hard to get. im not saying he did it or not and i’m simply bigger on Winston than i am mariotta based on what ive seen. i watch football to be entertained PERIOD. yes being accused of rape is big but so is the word accused, i have enough sense to know i don’t know but i just cant stand people who say they know or think they know as if they have an all seeing eye and honestly all you have to base it on is past experience with other people….the guy is not lance Armstrong or alex rodriguez, i respect the opinion of the one who says they just don’t want to risk it but you who talk like you know they story or you think your analyzing the girl or this guy lol your worse than the justice system operating on limited information. just don’t understand how so big on character of a kid can be so judgmental but still want the bucs to sign greg hardy and Adrian Peterson.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:22 am
How does anyone feel about us making a move for AP?
February 27th, 2015 at 10:27 am
Who is Schein? Seriously, Ive never heard of him :/
February 27th, 2015 at 10:27 am
Used to listen to Schein on Sirius Football channel a lot, but haven’t listened to him much since he moved to Mad Dog Radio. He’s a pretty smart guy, but I don’t always agree with him. However on this issue, I tend to agree with him. Winston scares me. I can’t remember another player in the last twenty years or so that runs the gamut of opinions so wildely from love to hate. I’m still open to him if the Bucs investigation into his background comes up clean, but Im also fine with Tampa going Mariota as the “safer” pick.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:35 am
I would go with AP. don’t approve of what he did, but I had a switch taken to me as a kid, so I can relate.
it’s a southern thing i think.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:37 am
flmike Says:
February 27th, 2015 at 10:21 am
@bucs4lyfe Says:
I was specifically referring to the rape allegation, that a whole other story, I was referring to his bad play (18 ints), and immature actions…
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Ok people stop quoting stats because your losing your credibility. if your going to quote stats then talk about all the fumbles mariotta has in his college career. if your going to quote interceptions and call it bad play then talk about all the interceptions the greats like peyton manning threw in his last year of college play…….
Luck completed a surprisingly low 54 percent of his passes and finished second in the NFL (to Mark Sanchez) in total turnovers his rookie year but they still made the playoffs WITH no talent around him except receivers, no running backs not a very good defense. think that fan base cares about that stat? nope in the playoffs every year and the funny part is they talk about how intelligent his is and how well he reads defenses but he’s in the top 10 every year in interception and since he entered the league
He’s now all of 1-2 in the postseason — six touchdown passes to eight interceptions. key word in that last sentence was postseason. no one nitpicks at stats like that when they are consistently going to the playoffs. this defense is better than the colts so whats missing besides the o line? someone to replace glennon and yes it can be Winston who knows how long mariotta takes to get up to speed
February 27th, 2015 at 10:38 am
c’mon buc4life. you been beating the winston drum and how he’s innocent since day one. and now your impartial.
lol
February 27th, 2015 at 10:38 am
You actually think if this went to a jury trial. They would find her unable to make a conscious decision? It doesn’t take to many drinks to blow .10. She also tried to say she was hit on the head.. There was zero trauma found to her head when she went to the hospital 4 hours after the incident took place.
The point is she is trying to act like she was drugged and incapacitated when this incident took place. Which couldn’t be any farther from the truth.. People do yourself a favor and just take the time and read all the reports.
If you don’t like JW because of some of the other immature/irresponsible things he’s done. I can respect that. to each is own, we all have our preference. But if you’re not going to take the time and educate yourself about the incident then stop using that as your basis for not wanting to draft JW..
February 27th, 2015 at 10:40 am
Someone tell me what team(s) are reportedly trying to move up for Winston. I mean he is the smartest most clutch QB of all time besides P.Manning and Joe Montana, right?
February 27th, 2015 at 10:40 am
@Robert9 did you have leaves stuffed in your mouth as a 6 year old?? just curious.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:41 am
@Knuckledragger
I think we don’t need AP or Murray…..we have got some RBs…..we need a line to open up some holes….and an OC that knows how to call plays.
Actually, with Mariota, Reggie Bush would be a better fit…….add him to Sims….trade Martin & use Rainey as backup.
February 27th, 2015 at 10:42 am
@Knuck
Also…forgot….Bush would be much cheaper…..
February 27th, 2015 at 10:43 am
Can you imagine the outcry if we brought in Winston-AP-Hardy? Talk about attracting attention from the NFL….
February 27th, 2015 at 10:49 am
@Robert9
Peterson Report:
The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
According to police reports, the child, however, had a slightly different story, telling authorities that “Daddy Peterson hit me on my face.” The child also expressed worry that Peterson would punch him in the face if the child reported the incident to authorities. He also said that he had been hit by a belt and that “there are a lot of belts in Daddy’s closet.” He added that Peterson put leaves in his mouth when he was being hit with the switch while his pants were down. The child told his mother that Peterson “likes belts and switches” and “has a whooping room.”
Hey as long as you had these things done to you as a child its all good..
February 27th, 2015 at 10:51 am
robert 9 Says:
February 27th, 2015 at 10:38 am
c’mon buc4life. you been beating the winston drum and how he’s innocent since day one. and now your impartial.
lol
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WERE YOU ABLE TO COLLECT SOME INFORMATION THAT THE POLICE COULDNT FIND? LAST I CHECKED HE ISNT ON PROBATION, HASNT PLEADED GUILTY AND ALL THATS LEFT IS HERE SUING FOR (MONEY) SO LAST TIME I CHECKED NO CONVICTION MEANS INNOCENT LOL. IF YOU HATE IT BECAUSE THE GUY IS FAMOUS AND IS ABOUT TO MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAN YOUR JUST A HATER, MAKE YOUR OWN FORTUNE AND YOU DONT HAVE TO HATE. BE REAL ABOUT IT HAHAHA ITS NOT UP TO YOU, IF THE BUCS GO WITH WINSTON IT’S OUT OF YOUR CONTROL, YOU HAVE NO POWER OVER THIS DECISION, YOU HAVE TO GET ON BOARD OR MOVE ON. ME I DONT CARE WHO THEY DRAFT BECAUSE I KNOW WHOEVER IT IS WILL BE BETTER THAN GLENNON. YOU HAVE CHOICE BUT TO ACCEPT THE PICK OR FIND ANOTHER TEAM BUT YOU HAVENT FIGURED THAT OUT YET. THIS IS MY TEAM REGARDLESS OF THE PICK
February 27th, 2015 at 10:51 am
I ignore anyone who is so adamant that Winston is guilty of rape. It just shows they can’t read clear evidence and testimony.
February 27th, 2015 at 11:08 am
no, our diff bucfan is i don’t believe no conviction means innocent or that he was not charged means innocent.
if I wa going to marry a woman and she had a past incident where her husband was killed and she was a suspect, but they could not prove it/did not charge her….it sure as hell would make me think twice about her. I would not be like. “oh, well, she was not charged, let’s get married, and where di i sign for the 5 mill life insurance policy”?
February 27th, 2015 at 11:09 am
I say again…touching a woman’s boob is NOT THE SAME AS RAPE.
And it wasn’t considered sexual assault 25 years ago.
February 27th, 2015 at 11:10 am
so it’s your team even when they trade back and roll with glennon? you will support him?
February 27th, 2015 at 11:15 am
This guy is a total turd and his little radio show sucks balls… Lame and dull…
February 27th, 2015 at 11:23 am
Josh P. Says
“The Bucs are desperate you are correct. You think L&L are looking at where the Bucs are going to be 5 years down the road. They just went 2-14. They have to win NOW.”
You know, you bring up a good point. There should be some rule changes to the hiring of coaches.
Head Coaches should be given a minimum of 3 years to enact a plan. No firing unless there is a violation of contract terms.
Coordinators should be required to serve 3 years at their position before being permitted to seek employment elsewhere within the league.
February 27th, 2015 at 11:27 am
robert 9 Says
“so it’s your team even when they trade back and roll with glennon? you will support him?”
I don’t think you were asking me, but personally I would support him…without joining the MGM.
At least long enough to see if Dirk could fix him.
In fact, a part of me would rather do that than go with Winston to be honest.
February 27th, 2015 at 11:29 am
robert 9 Says:
February 27th, 2015 at 11:10 am
so it’s your team even when they trade back and roll with glennon? you will support him?
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lol are you some kind of teenager? yes it’s my team because the bucs have never done what i wanted them to do in the draft. my draft analysis does not affect the bucs anyway lol. newsflash for you Robert 9 if you say you hate lovie and you want him fired guess what your still supporting the team because your here every single day talking about it, if they trade down i’ll still be here talking about it and grading lovie, if it works out fine if it doesn’t ill be glad when he goes. lol ok Robert 9 don’t change your handle on jbf because i can wait to see you throw a temper tantrum when the bucs make their pick or trade down. my life doesn’t revolve around football it’s a hobby it’s something i do love, if they trade down they’ll do it for a boat load of picks for the next few years, im down with that but i do want a quarterback personally if they don’t pick so what
February 27th, 2015 at 11:32 am
robert 9 Says:
February 27th, 2015 at 11:10 am
so it’s your team even when they trade back and roll with glennon? you will support him?
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if im wrong about glennon i’d admit it that’s what i’d do but honestly i wouldn’t care about them trading down just to see what kind of excuses MGM comes up with for why glennon is garbage. no glennon is no headcase but he’s no leader, he’s not competitor on the field, he’s a checkdown quarterback that has a 60% completion percentage. i bet hundley has more of an upside than him. if he is the starter for 16 games i’ll just prepare for yet another losing season which is no surprise at this point
February 27th, 2015 at 11:41 am
lol bufcan.
I’m a hater, i’m jealous, teenager. what next?
if you knew me you would know I run a very successful company, have jacked up many a cocky punk in my day, in fact never lost a fight in my life. I know how to spot a punk from experience, and had some damn good fun dropping more than a few a hell of a lot bigger than me. and sorry, JW seems like he needs a good chin check IMO. not you though, you seem very intelligent.
February 27th, 2015 at 11:52 am
They are/will be NFL starters. That is the ONLY important point. By his Logic Brady was drafted in the 5th round, so would it be ok for him to do what Mettenberger did but not Andrew Luck because he was the #1 pick?
February 27th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
I give up with all of this. Just take the lesser of the two QBs if it will shut the moral police up. So many people across the country will never do the research and will always view JW as a rapist. Nothing said here or anywhere else will change these simpleton’s minds. Who knows if Mariota has the potential to play in the NFL but fk it! Even though they’re wrong I don’t want to have my favorite team viewed as a villainous bunch of rapists. Just take Mariota and then cross our fingers. If JW goes to the Jets and wins a couple of Super Bowls it will suck but luckily we wouldn’t to hear another peep from the holier than thou, ignore the facts, and hang the bastard crowd!
February 27th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
Barry, coming from a car thief such as yourself, that’s some tough talk, wouldn’t you agree?
February 27th, 2015 at 12:59 pm
Its very easy to get charged with something . If they believe they have a case they will get a conviction they will move forward. Most times they dont go forward bc the accuser won’t. In this case she was. I jabe rarely ever heard of someone getting cleared 3 times being called a rapist. Ckearly you all have a bias and are racist prejuduce or plain stupid. The girl has 0 credibility. She had a black boyfriend her family didn’t even know about!!!! Hmmmm wonder why since shes sooooooo close with them. Girls a liar money grubbing slut. Deserves every bit of headache she brought on herself here. As someone who has had a friend go through a rape. Let me tell u the last thing on her mind was money!
February 27th, 2015 at 1:08 pm
So you think Schein imsa good guy?
Let me assess his logic.
He is okay with drafting and having a guy on his team who pled guilty of sexual assault in the sixth round.
He is not okay with drafting a guy in the first round who adamantly denied a sexual assault or rape took place and stood firm in his stance and was investigated three times and exonerated twice.
What I think Schein is saying is he is okay with a rapist or a person who commits a sexual assault, just don’t draft him to high.
And you think Schein is a good guy?
LOL.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:11 pm
Ohhhhhhh yea, Robert 9. I bet my dog can beat up your dog.
LOL. You really are such an idiot.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:11 pm
Barry, it is strange that you bash Winston for his transgression when everyone knows you’re a car thief!
February 27th, 2015 at 1:15 pm
Barry #creepycarrhief
February 27th, 2015 at 1:16 pm
#creepycarthief
February 27th, 2015 at 1:26 pm
I’m convinced that the people who keep saying Winston is guilty just want him to be guilty. If there was video footage proving his innocence they would probably say that the video was edited to make him look innocent…lol. The fact of the matter is that after 3 different investigations he was not charged, and the only inconsistencies have been from the accuser. That makes him innocent in the eyes of the law, doesn’t matter what you think happened the law supports him. If this was your child or your brother given the evidence and the accuser’s inconsistencies you would think your brother or child was innocent so why doesn’t Winston get the same consideration.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:27 pm
Pretty much.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:29 pm
“robert 9 Says:
February 27th, 2015 at 11:41 am
lol bufcan.
I’m a hater, i’m jealous, teenager. what next?
if you knew me you would know I run a very successful company, have jacked up many a cocky punk in my day, in fact never lost a fight in my life. I know how to spot a punk from experience, and had some damn good fun dropping more than a few a hell of a lot bigger than me. and sorry, JW seems like he needs a good chin check IMO. not you though, you seem very intelligent.”
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I thought you were great in Gran Torino.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:48 pm
@Barry you sir… are an idiot LOL your lively hood isn’t on the line if the Bucs go 0-16 so that’s easy for you to tale the moral high road
February 27th, 2015 at 3:08 pm
cmon @joe it shouldn’t matter what round he is still a fan of a sexual predator don’t fall for the apology
February 27th, 2015 at 3:14 pm
why would anyone want a guy to rape a girl, or as you put it “I’m convinced that the people who keep saying Winston is guilty just want him to be guilty”
?????
ddneast, back away from my jock.
I’m convinced those who do want winston are so caught up in football or care more about the bucs winning than they do about the sport itself. i.e. they could care less if it was a bunch of thieves and killers as long as their entertained.
maybe some of these futuristic tv shows have it right, cause that sure looks to be the norm for society here on JBF.
February 27th, 2015 at 3:30 pm
And I think the people that have it out for Winston, especially re: the rape allegation. For some reason they refuse to look at the evidence that exists in the case.
It’s much easier to read headlines and media reports than it is to read the State Attorneys report. (I know, I know, reading is HARD)
Evidence exists. A rape kit was done within hours of the allegation. Toxicology samples were taken then. They were tested multiple times at independent labs. Text messages were subpoenad. Interviews were done with all of her friends.
If you know anything about TPD, they blow. But, they also screw up cases that have nothing to do with FSU players (Rachel Hoffman, etc). That being said, there is a TON of evidence available, and not a bit of it supports her claim.
Her owns friends stories contradict hers. Her own boyfriend refused to cooperate with his girlfriends rape investigation.
Yet, you people ignore every single bit of supporting evidence.
Why? I have no idea.
But, I suspect if you read the State Attorneys report, every single page of it, and it had no names attached “accuser” witness A, witness B, Accused, etc. I can’t see how anyone could come away not questioning her story.
But, because it Jameis Winston? Suddenly she’s believable?
Thanks goodness our legal system still goes off innocent until proven guilty. I suspect the future some of you want actually is a return to the to the days of mobs and pitchforks.
February 27th, 2015 at 3:46 pm
“they could care less if it was a bunch of thieves and killers as long as their entertained.
maybe some of these futuristic tv shows have it right, cause that sure looks to be the norm for society here on JBF.”
says the person who said this earlier:
“I know how to spot a punk from experience, and had some damn good fun dropping more than a few a hell of a lot bigger than me.”
that is irony! thanks, but no thanks. you are worse than mr. winston ever could be. hmmmmmmmmm look in the mirror, robert 9. smh
February 27th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
@ Love and Warrick Dunn
You know I’m not one of the Mariota supporters who accuses Winston of rape….I give him the benefit of the doubt. My concern is with the distraction it brings and the PR nightmare…..the Bucs will have to “Circle the Wagons” in defense of their choice for a long time…win or not.
There are two things that particularly bother me: First there is the comment by the prosecutor.
Meggs was asked if he thought a rape took place in Winston’s apartment. It was a perfect opportunity for the man who chose not to prosecute Winston to say no. Instead, he said something “bad” happened in that apartment that night. He just didn’t have sufficient evidence to prove it.
The second thing that really bothers me is the incident with Winston publicly yelling”FHRITP” this was after the rape allegation. It shows that he has no concern about what anybody thinks and that he believes he is above it all…it is that attitude that can spell immense trouble for him after he has a big contract. That action was more than just immaturity….it was, as they say “industrial strength stupidity”…
Now…I am not a prude….I know he’s just a college kid and is immature…but the rape allegation should have been a huge wake up call and he didn’t get it.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:02 pm
The only truly “clueless” people in this whole diatribe is Schein and Robert 9.
Schein, because his value system is based on a monetary value (big surprise) and Robert 9 who bases his logic on…..well! actually, he uses no logic.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:08 pm
“Meggs was asked if he thought a rape took place in Winston’s apartment. It was a perfect opportunity for the man who chose not to prosecute Winston to say no. Instead, he said something “bad” happened in that apartment that night. He just didn’t have sufficient evidence to prove it. ”
where is this from? i watched the presser on youtube and it was not stated there.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:13 pm
@ Robert 9
If you care that strongly about rape you should have more of an issue with the accuser than Winston, it’s women like her that make it harder for true rape victims to get justice. Nobody is defending Winston we are just pointing out the facts, and the fact is he was not charged after 3 separate investigations yet you still act like he was convicted of something.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:14 pm
@ Lurker
Apparently, Meggs was asked during the Hunting Ground film.
Over the past 20 years I have researched hundreds of cases of sexual assault involving athletes. During that time I’ve interviewed countless sexual assault victims. The thing I found most telling was what prosecutor Willie Meggs did not say in the film. Meggs was asked if he thought a rape took place in Winston’s apartment. It was a perfect opportunity for the man who chose not to prosecute Winston to say no. Instead, he said something “bad” happened in that apartment that night. He just didn’t have sufficient evidence to prove it.
I got this from the SI article.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
Buc_The_World
One of the problems for the Bucs and Winston going forward is that the film Hunting Ground legitimizes the accuser by putting her in the film with other victims….this is a real problem….it makes her look like a victim even if she is falsely accusing Winston.
She also doesn’t seem to be backing off her accusation and is going forward with legal action (s).
If Winston is innocent, he should file a defamation suit.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
@tbbf
Willie is an old Southern guy. I think you may be inferring a bit much from that statement. It could mean quite a few things, but, to only conclude it was just a negative against Jameis might be a bit of a stretch.
He also said: Her recall of the events of that night have been moving around a good bit. There are some memory lapses. There were some major issues. And we were trying to determine, about the memory lapse, what would cause that.
Keep in mind, she said first she was at a party and hit in the head. Her head was examined and fine and there was no party. She said she was drugged but tox was tested for 172 drugs and metabolites and came back negative, several times. Her BAC was .04. Not a level that would cause such “lapses”.
So, you can look at all the evidence that exists, or you can try to infer from one statement that isn’t exactly clear. Was taping the girl a bad thing? Was a one night stand a bad thing? Jameis pulling a hit it and quit it? I will admit he’s callous with women. But, we could indict a significant portion of all athletes (or males) with that criteria.
And, despite what some may say, Willie has a history of not being kind to FSU players. He’s indicted with far less evidence. Even rape (see: Travis Johnson).
I understand your point on FHITP. I still say coddled knucklehead who likes to act a fool with friends more than sociopath.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:30 pm
thanks tbbf…searching now.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:31 pm
@tbbf
The quote that I saw from Willie is slightly different
“things that happened that night were not good.”
Again, that’s somewhat ambiguous coming from a conservative old Southern dude.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:37 pm
Also, Meggs did this interview for The Hunting Ground, they could have edited that quote much beyond its intentions. Surely, they wouldn’t play the parts about how he found holes in her story and even her own friends had different stories than her, and that her boyfriend was going to be a witness for Jameis, not for herself.
Point being, the movie can make this sound how they want it to sound.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:38 pm
I have read the evidence. There is not enough as they say to arrest him. but I also believe something very bad happened that night.
I sure as hell do not trust cops, much less the people at FSU, who had everything to lose from a schools standpoint, to give her a fair shake. whether it was winston or any other ball player for that matter. blast me all you want, but cops, civil servants and the like are the laziest people on this planet IMO. They did not call the cab company, get video from potbellys, talk to winston….it goes on and on. she was the one who was investigated, because she was a ho. it is what it is, but she sure as hell did not get a fair shake. and those involved in looking into it were biased in the very least. those are the people who collected the evidence for the judge. lazy, biased people who had no time for a skank.
thats my opinion@!
February 27th, 2015 at 4:52 pm
do us all a favor and just stop posting, robert. smh
you are just an angry, jealous, spiteful person whose dark personality taints everything he sees, reads, etc.
February 27th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
“robert 9 Says:
February 27th, 2015 at 4:38 pm
I have read the evidence.”
No drugs in system. Not hit in head. BAC of .04.
Why has she changed her story at least 6-7 times?
Why have all witnesses on both sides remained consistent?
In differing accounts, she has said three different people, including a white guy gave her a mystery shot. She eventually, after a year and a half changed it to Winston. How convenient.
Her own friend testified that Erica received a text at the bar, and asked if she should leave with him? Her friend say fine, so, she left. But, Erica claims she felt intimidated into leaving. Intimidated via text? GTFOOH.
Again, if you can’t read this evidence and have serious questions about her story, you are bias as F.
February 27th, 2015 at 5:16 pm
Also, they did attempt to locate the cab, but the GPS systems on them are not very precise. After attempting to find out which cab it was using the GPS method (unsuccessfully), they put out an APB within the cab company to all employees with the details of the pickup, drop-off, and description of the riders, none of the cab drivers responded. Not sure where you are getting your info, but it definitely is not from the official records, as this point as clearly documented.
February 27th, 2015 at 5:44 pm
@ Lurker, Love & Warrick Dunn & Adown88
None of my posts are about the merits or lack there of on the allegations…..they are to point out that the PR situation is a whole other matter.
The Hunting Ground will take whatever creative license they wish and I know it is biased against Rapists, Accused Rapists…perhaps sexually agressive men etc…
What matters, however is that the audience they are trying to reach will also be biased…..this is not good, in particular because they will legitimize the accuser by placing her in the documentary with actual victims….they can put a disclaimer (no one will notice it) at the end or even run a super with (alleged) or something within the body of the film….but that won’t be enough to outweigh the accusation.
This is all very unfortunate for the Bucs and Winston….the incomplete investigation (as it has been described by some) doesn’t help matters. A complete investigation may have completely exonerated Winston.
For me, it’s all about image, PR, distractions….etc…not about Rape or non Rape. Not about evidence or lack of evidence.
I have a backround in Media/PR/Marketing…..and I know how these things can take a life of their own….and the $hit is getting ready to hit the fan. (fans)
February 27th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
@tbbf
Totally understand, and it’s a fair point.
Maybe it’s me being hopeful, but, I don’t view it as an insurmountable situation.
Look at how Kobe repaired his image. Look at Vick (and even typing Vick’s name makes me cringe). The NFL took on Brian Banks as an employee not that long after he was wrongfully imprisoned for rape.
It depends on how Winston handles it with the team. And if the PR pros at OBP put together a good plan to address the impending questions. Fight bad PR with good PR. Donating his time to charity in Tampa (which he did in Tally regularly). I’m thinking along those lines.
Winning doesn’t hurt either.
February 27th, 2015 at 6:02 pm
breaking news:
Commenter “Barry” is a serial arsonist. Since I have just accused Barry of these misdeeds that officially makes him an “accused serial arsonist”. And since we all know (including Barry) that…
#wherethereissmokethereisfire
Barry MUST be an actual serial arsonist and immediately fired/excommunicated from any participation of any kind in society.
February 27th, 2015 at 6:06 pm
@ Love & Warrick Dunn
Not insurmountable at all…..I don’t think Vick & Kobe are quite the same as examples because they had already shown considerable value & excellence when the incidents occured.
I really feel quite badly for Winston because other than the accuser completely recanting (not likely)…or Winston taking a polygraph (not likely) or winning a defamation suit (wouldn’t advise going that route because of the attention it would draw)…..badly for Winston because he will always have this hanging over him.
Winning & living like Jeter…..that will eventuall do the trick.
I can tell you this….he had better have witnesses to his encouters (hardly possible)….better really make good choices with his relationships.
February 27th, 2015 at 6:10 pm
@Tony
Not serial arsonist……sexual arsonist….that is when you cause so much friction you set the bush on fire”
February 27th, 2015 at 6:12 pm
i think the people that will be influenced by the “mockumentary” will be the ones who are already against winston, or people who are not football fans, or certain other types.
February 27th, 2015 at 6:13 pm
I was more talking to Robert9, guy is clueless.
I do think that this will eventually go away from a media perspective. I firmly do not believe that Winston will personally be brought back into it by any means. Like he stated at the end of his FSU hearing, (exteme paraphrasing) “I am done talking about this matter unless I am in a court trial where the accuser can be charged with perjury for falsely accusing me of raping her.”
February 27th, 2015 at 6:13 pm
so moses’ “burning bush” brings on a whole new meaning.
February 27th, 2015 at 6:22 pm
I admire all those who have defended Winston…and realize that will be necessary for at least a while longer. I will be joining you if he is our choice.
This will be a field day for opposing fans…..you could see some of it displayed at the Rose Bowl.
I will stick with my opinion that the differences in the talent levels/ceilings of the two QBs is not great enough for the Bucs to take the risk and open themselves up to the distractions.
If the Bucs do this right….the vast majority of Buc fans will support their choice….but it absolutely, positively needs to be one of them…….QB NOW!!!
February 27th, 2015 at 7:08 pm
#qbnow
February 27th, 2015 at 7:43 pm
Robert 9 is the only rational one here
February 27th, 2015 at 8:07 pm
Said no one ever…
February 27th, 2015 at 8:12 pm
Not sure how many readers have actually investigated sexual assaults, although some have made claims, but after being a detective for the last 11 years I KNOW a large number of claims end up being ” buyers remorse “. It seemed good at the time but afterwards once the person realizes what they have done, especially when it may been outside of their comfort zone, they make accusations. Throw in the fact that money can be added into the situation and it makes for a very cloudy situation.
February 27th, 2015 at 8:22 pm
@Oviedobucguy
Nice to hear from someone who has experience with these situations. Makes for a credible source and opinion.
February 27th, 2015 at 9:34 pm
as credible as anonymity goes, huh…lmao
February 28th, 2015 at 5:59 am
#BarryStoleThenBurnedMyCar #GrandTheftArsonist
February 28th, 2015 at 6:42 am
@robert9
Go read pages 8 and 9 again.. it will cover the Cab and Pot Belly’s portion of the invest.
How about this little nugget from her FRIEND..Now remember EK said she was forced into the cab..
Monique Kessler(FRIEND) XX=EK
” At one point, XX showed Monique her phone and there was a text on it that said “meet me out front.” Monique knew the number was not programmed in XX’s phone because the number appeared in the display bar instead of a name that would be saved with it. XX looked at Monique and asked “should I go?” Monique replied “you can go” and “within a few seconds” XX was
gone.
Doesn’t sound like an incoherent person or that her friend was overly concerned about where she was going.
February 28th, 2015 at 9:54 am
Risk management is a HUGE consideration with the #1 overall pick. Maybe the most important one.
Unfortunately the media hasn’t caught onto this as they (Joe included) continue to tout the virtues of an INT-slinging, girl-raping, crab-stealing, profanity-yelling QB prospect who might not even be a QB full-time, as no one can predict if he will play baseball or not at any point.
With all that in mind is it worth taking the plunge just because the kid won a bunch of games with a loaded FSU team and occasionally makes nice anticipation window throws? HELL NO!!!!!!!!!
February 28th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
so you want the second-best qb prospect who gets sacked a lot, fumbles way too much, has an injury history, makes poor throws to wide open receivers, hasn’t played from a huddle and needs big pictures?
i’ll take winston #1.
March 1st, 2015 at 2:09 am
robert 9 Says:
if you knew me you would know I run a very successful company, have jacked up many a cocky punk in my day, in fact never lost a fight in my life. I know how to spot a punk from experience, and had some damn good fun dropping more than a few a hell of a lot bigger than me. and sorry, JW seems like he needs a good chin check IMO.
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We got a badass over here. Better not cross robert 9. ((((shiver))))
March 2nd, 2015 at 7:30 pm
schein’s logic is incomplete. the titans, picking #2 overall are barely better off despite putting their hopes on a 6th rounder. if that 6th rounder causes them to pass on MM or JW and later busts while the other 2 have great careers, it sets them back just as much as one of those being their #2 pick and busting. and once you are a starting QB, draft position is out the window. you are the face of the team, and your indiscretions count the same no matter when you were drafted