“You’re Not Worried About Him Going To Mons Venus”
January 8th, 2015
Is it such a bad thing to frequent an establishment that features naked women?
Joe doesn’t think so. But in a passionate discussion about Tampa Bay’s potential No. 1 overall draft pick, one former Buccaneer talks about a Dale Mabry hot spot, and much more.
Former Bucs quarterback Shaun King, an analyst for Yahoo! Sports and a lifelong Bucs fan, played caller on WDAE-AM 620 this morning and issued a plea to Bucs fans to stop calling Jameis Winston a Josh Freeman or Jamarcus Russell clone, saying Winston is “light years” ahead of those guys when they were coming out of college.
“Jameis Winston as a pro prospect is on the Andrew luck level,” King said.
King went on to talk about how the off-the-field concerns about Winston are not football related, and Winston is not mixed up with strip clubs and party types.
“You’re not worried about him going to Mons Venus,” King said.
You can hear the full King audio below, via the 620wdae.com audio player. Bucs beat writer Rick Stroud is one of the radio co-hosts, and he goes on to say that the football people he’s talked to are all in agreement that Winston is a better prospect than Marcus Mariota.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:03 pm
I would still have my Bayshord Blvd house if it wasn’t for mons!
January 8th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
After reading the headline I thought we were signing Michael Sam. Go figure!
January 8th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
“Jameis Winston as a pro prospect is on the Andrew luck level,” King said
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No he’s not. If he were, unless he were actually in jail, he’d be a stone cold lock to go #1. Instead he could fall out of the top 10 (or worse). It’s the NFL, if you can play at an elite level no one cares about off the field.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:07 pm
Winston = Luck ? haha
January 8th, 2015 at 3:07 pm
“You’re not worried about him going to Mons Venus,” King said.
That’s right King, we are not “worried” about that! As a matter of a fact, that’s the farthest thing down the list to be worried about.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:08 pm
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 11 or fewer points.”
I am far more concerned that Winston would spend to much time watching Shaun King do table dances at the Golden Corral…..
This is going to be the continual problem for Winston….he will forever be looking over his shoulder by having to defend his behavior…guilty or not….
January 8th, 2015 at 3:12 pm
Winston has real flaws with some fundamentals and throwing mechanics; including poor footwork, staring down his intended target, and a somewhat long release (almost as bad as Leftwich). Pair those up with his unreliability off the field and he’s not even close to Andrew Luck status. These comments from King are idiotic and bordering on racism.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
“off-the-field concerns about Winston are not football related”
I can’t understand the words coming out of his mouth!
January 8th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
Agree bucrightoff! Neither of these QB’s is Andrew Luck! Sean King is simply pulling a homer.
Again though we do not have to obtain the next Andrew Luck to win the SB. We need a Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson…I don’t think anybody calls this talented trio generational QB’s but they are all talented, competent professionals.
That’s all we need. We do not need to swing for the fences and since there is no home run in this draft anyway…as they say in NY forget about it.
Talent wise I’m comfortable with either of these two QB’s. They both have the Heisman jinx, they both have pros and cons, and they both should be able to become competent professionals on the right team. They may not be able to single handedly carry a team but neither of them would keep a team from winning IMHO.
And so if everything on the field is even close…and everything off the field is totally opposite…why wouldn’t we gamble on the player with just one question…on field instead of one that has two questions..on the field and off.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
I know one place we won’t find king is a la fitness.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:14 pm
He throws out the Luck comparisons a little freely.
Compared Bridgewater to luck last year.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:14 pm
This is going to be an unbearable few months leading up to the draft.
How on earth can Shaun King, or anyone for that matter, predict what Winston or Mariota will do with their free time in Tampa? You can’t, ok. And King says it with such confidence.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:14 pm
Im just going to say it, he is a black version of Andrew Luck. Period. That is what I honestly believe he is talent wise. Yes some of the off the field issues scare you, but no risk equals no reward. I say take a chance and draft him, but I would be shocked if this organization didnt go the safer route and draft Mariota with such an important decision like this. We’ll see.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:16 pm
not worried about mons. those girls are for sales.
it’s the ones that say “NO” to him that worry me.
HCPD will know him all too well if he comes here.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:17 pm
BTW I’ve never heard the rumors or any explanation as to why Josh Freeman threw his career in the toilet. I have read some who believe that Schiano somehow scrwd with JFro’s head. That’s lame for a professional athlete.
I do believe however, whether it was Schiano or whomever made the decision, when they stopped JFro from running it really robbed his effectiveness and doomed him. He was NEVER accurate enough to survive as primarily a pocket passer and he seemed to choke on some simple things like a swing pass to a running back. Great athlete. Bad head and bad QB.
And so what was the real reason he imploded? Drugs?
January 8th, 2015 at 3:18 pm
LOL @ DB55
Where all the white women at?
January 8th, 2015 at 3:18 pm
This is a real problem for Winston…..not just football but as a person. Can you imagine always having questions like this posed…….he will have to live a very clean life (Jeterlike) for several years to shake this…..
January 8th, 2015 at 3:20 pm
I’m starting to think we are going to draft Winston. I actually think both QB’s are going to be good, but I think Winston is going to be better out of the gate. As long as we don’t do something stupid and trade the pick away, I’ll be happy.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:20 pm
Haters gonna hate.
I’ve heard about 20 legitimate analysts say that “As a prospect, Winston is on Andrew Luck’s level” in the past two days…so to laugh it off, just makes you look stupid and uneducated.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:24 pm
Agree with bucrightoff, king just likes to hear himself talk.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:24 pm
there hasn’t been a prospect on the luck level since elway and marino. King is a joke. Winston has a lot of great tools and is more nfl ready than mm. I think mm may be better in the long run but winston some mcnab and vince young traits that i think would let him have a great rookie year.
Also, if you don’t have a good coaching staff to develop a qb, then it really doesn’t matter he will fail or not reach the level he could. There are plenty of guys who never made it that had winstons skill set bc they played on a team with a staff that couldn’t develope him. One reason teedy b look so good this year is bc norv can teach.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:24 pm
Andrew
No problem with you saying that from a racial standpoint. From a football standpoint however very few people would anoint Jameis as the next Andrew Luck.
Now if you believe they exhibit similar styles fine. I think Mariota compares stylistically pretty well to Aaron Rodgers but nobody gets to claim being the next Aaron Rodgers without first at least winning one super bowl.
Same thing for Andrew Luck. When Jameis has Luck’s NFL achievements then I’ll listen to that comparison.
Quite honestly I’m not interested in the next anybody else. I’d like to see the first Marcus Mariota paired with an OC that will wreak havoc on the NFL. I want to be a league leader not simply a follower. The cutting edge right now is in the passing game. Stay with the times or perish.
Both Jameis and Mariota can throw the ball regardless of what either side’s proponents wish to claim. They both can move in the pocket and escape when necessary.
Again if it’s even close why would you take the player with the baggage? And so I’m guessing all of you Jameis supporters believe that Jameis is the only true QB talent in this class. I simply disagree. And to be truthful I won’t be at all shocked if some guy comes out of the 3rd round or lower and ends up outplaying both of them ala Russel Wilson.
It’s a crapshoot. But I can’t say Sean King rollng the dice makes me more comfortable.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:24 pm
trade martin
trade back the #1 pick for OL and DE
sign Ray Rice, Ritchi Incognito and Suh
Bring back Josh Freeman
I’m serious here. Free would do well with flip flop tottin lovie. as long as he can pass drug tes(s)
January 8th, 2015 at 3:24 pm
I’m just glad that Dungy prefers Mariota over Winston. I guarantee his opinion carries more weight with Lovie than Burger King’s. (ironically lol)
January 8th, 2015 at 3:27 pm
shaun king said that? well why didn’t you say so done! draft him LMFAO!!!!!
January 8th, 2015 at 3:28 pm
King wanted to resign Freeman then blamed Schiano for his meltdown too.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:30 pm
check the Bust poll ON ESPN!!!
44% 500,000 VOTES
AT THIS POINT JUST DRAFT A BAG OF CHIPS AND I’M GOOD
January 8th, 2015 at 3:33 pm
I think it is truly unfair to compare Winston to Luck….you talk about setting up someone for high expectations?
On the other hand, to compare Mariota to Rodgers is not so unfair because Rodgers was allowed 3 years to develop before starting….of course Mariota will not have that luxury no matter where he goes.
I jusl prefer their styles being the basis of comparison…..
Shaun King is an awful “sports journalist”……I am shocked he remains employed.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:34 pm
@ StPete
I see what your saying, and to be honest I have no idea if he is going to turn out to be as good as Luck down the road. All I’m saying is that Winston compares favorable to an Andrew Luck when he was first coming out of Stanford. He’s got the size, athletic ability, poise, and just a general sense of knowing what to do with the ball know matter what happens. That last part is what I think is the most impressive. To often you get QBs who panic and dont know what to do with the ball when things break down or dont go a certain way, but not Winston. You know with him in the pocket, you always got a chance to win no matter what happens. To me that is that “IT” factor that people talk about.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:34 pm
What a surprise Shaun Snacks King wants Tampa to draft a black quarterback….. Go find a Golden Corral.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:36 pm
People that laugh at Winston/Luck comparison are often the same ones that make Mariota/Rodgers and Mariota/Wilson comparisons. Talk about hypocrisy, the Mariota bandwagon is full of it.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:36 pm
JoshFreeman Says, I would still have my Bayshord Blvd house if it wasn’t for mons!
Come on bro, we all know Freeman isn’t at a strip club. He’s at the Honey Pot hanging out with Mankini.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:36 pm
HEY KING GO BACK TO THE BUFFET TABLE IDIOT!
January 8th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
Shaun King….wow Winston=Luck wtf!!! That’s the highlight of dumb comments I’ve heard about Winston. I believe King is one of the worst commentators/bloggers I have ever had to read or listen too. The guy is in his own world.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:39 pm
this is a franchise defining moment. do the bucs let themselves be swayed by allegations and immaturity, or do they bet on the kid’s talent and desire to be great like the Glazers did with Warren Sapp?
January 8th, 2015 at 3:41 pm
smoking some weed is no comparison to theft and rape.
can we also stop the sapp comparisons
January 8th, 2015 at 3:43 pm
Mariota’s NFL doppleganger is clearly Kaepernick, so anyone comparing him to Wilson or Rodgers is also out to lunch.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:43 pm
Whiskey bottle and brand new cars. Oak tree your in my way… There’s too much coke and too much smoke… Look at what’s going on inside you…
Don’t do it Tampa Bay… Don’t make deals with devils they all end the same way… Have we not been embarrassed enough? Winston has mental issues… Look up delusions of grandeur…
January 8th, 2015 at 3:47 pm
Why on earth does Joe continue posting information about ANYTHING Shaun King says? Truly baffling…
King knows more about buffets than he does QBs…he has proven that when he went all in for Freeman.
King is awful and he is stealing money from anyone that is paying for his ‘information’ or ‘insight’!!!!!!!
January 8th, 2015 at 3:48 pm
Robert 9, you never, never ever, get anything right. Hills borough County does not have a police department, they have a sheriffs office. Thus it is HCSO. You are either so ignorant or stupid you can’t even get your abbreviations right.
Geeeeeesh.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
@Erik with Clean Athletics
..exactly who he reminds me of…Leftwich ..ugh
January 8th, 2015 at 3:51 pm
Josh freeman / Jamarcus Russell he may or may not be but an Andrew Luck he is not…
Maybe between Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez but COME ON; Andrew Luck… No Way!
That is a HUGE stretch…
January 8th, 2015 at 3:51 pm
thanks dd…….. sorry I didn’t know my local police…er sheriff stuff
say hello to them for me and clean the cell when your done
January 8th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
Of course you wouldn’t have to worry about Winston at the Mons….those are pros….he only preys on amateurs….
January 8th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
I love all the cover shots at King and his weight but the ones that just call him fat are so unoriginal and represent a dull mind.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
I read this quote, it was attributed to Mel Kiper – but I didn’t confirm that:
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“List the best QB’s in the NFL:
“Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, Aaron Rodgers… how many of them do you have to worry about off the field issues with?
The best you do is maybe Jay Cutler, but even then teams have to ask themselves
‘What kind of man do I want in charge of my team?'”
There’s a reason that almost all the elite level QB’s are boring nerds who sit around watching game tape instead of planning their next trip to the club.”
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January 8th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
Also. Shaun King is a joke. Hearing this, I’m more convinced than ever that the Bucs shouldn’t touch Winston with a ten foot pole.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
Booger @SECbooger
jameis winston got dressed and then was told by Jimbo to go get undressed WOW WOW #Seminoles
#FaceOfTheBucs People, Jameis Winston isn’t a smart man. After all the VettN he may fall into the 3rd round.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:55 pm
robert 9, Sapp’s biggest issue on draft day was ALLEGATIONS around cocaine use (the weed, people knew about for a long time and were prepared to get over). winston’s biggest issue is ALLEGATIONS of sexual assault. as far as the crab legs, if you are ready to make a judgement about the sort of life a guy is going to have based on a juvenile attempt to bypass stupid NCAA rules gone wrong, that’s your right. but many of people who i believe are influential in Lovie Smith’s & the Glazer’s thinking aren’t that reductive, and several (including lovie himself) benefited greatly from the Sapp pick and it will loom larger in their minds perhaps than yours.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:57 pm
He is nothing like leftwich. Erik is the only person I’ve heard say he has bad mechanics as well. Plenty of reasons not to want the guy, his play is not one of them.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:00 pm
McBuc, i have heard scouts say his mechanics can improve, but i haven’t heard that he has a hopeless throwing motion a la tebow or anything. depending on your outlook and your belief in the kid’s coachability (people will snicker, but to be as “pro ready” in his reads and ball palacement as every scout describes him, he has clearly absorbed coaching), a potential employer would look at that as a flaw or as additional upside
January 8th, 2015 at 4:03 pm
coke clears in 3 days. rape tends to stick with a person.
i could care less if a person tried some drugs here and there. it’s their body.
but to violate someone elses body or property shows low moral character and borderline criminal …..just depends on when or if they get caught. either way I would not root for them or want my kids to watch them. their not role models. their scum.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:06 pm
Better get the right OC – bottom line.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:08 pm
the bucs need to be sold. the franchise flat out sucks and there is no hope for the future as long as lovie smith is around
January 8th, 2015 at 4:12 pm
Winston has mental problems… Look up delusions of grandeur…
The smoke is in the air… Stop ignoring the warning signs…
Yes he is talented… But he is also highly unstable…
Joe. Your failure to recognize these huge warning signs makes you look silly… Stop with the “Manziel” like crush you have on Winston and be more like Fox News… Fair and balanced…
January 8th, 2015 at 4:16 pm
@ddneast
Always so quick to call people names. Your just as dumb. Learn to spell Hillsborough.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:27 pm
robert 9, the matter comes down to your reading of the facts. the reality of a rape accusation that is deemed unfit to go to trial is that justice is impossible, for both the victim and the accused depending on the nature of the claim. it sucks for all involved, but I really can’t roll with your resulting presumption of guilt and vitriol.
as i have said before, if i believed that Jameis had non-consensual sex i would not be a season ticket holder while he is our QB. I have come to such a conclusion about others cleared by the legal system (the scumbag Jerramy Stevens is first to come to mind with that college incident of his. god i hated that he was a Buc) when i have taken the time to acquaint myself with the available facts. when i first heard of this, i reflexively sided with the accuser but it’s not a position i could maintain as events have unfolded and the parties’
many people made up their minds the minute winston was named in the allegation, many more after the shoddy investigation came to light, but the bucs will have to drown out the noise from the media and the hearsay and evaluate the human being, just like the Glazers, Rich McKay, and Sam Wyche did with Warren Sapp. In the 20+ years since the allegations against Sapp, there has been zero indication that Warren does or did coke. The bucs have to decide whether they believe Jameis is a man capable of doing what he was accused of and not showing an ounce of guilt or acknowledgement in the aftermath. if he is that kind of man, he is not just not the Bucs’ QB, i think he fits the clinical definition of a sociopath
January 8th, 2015 at 4:28 pm
Jameis walks into mons and which of the following happens?
A. Steals a strippers soda, shoots her with bb gun in surgically enhanced breasts
B. Gives her his lunch money for a lap dance, has to steal crab legs to eat
C. Jumps on table, shouts “I’d @#$% her right in the #$%%&”
D. Rapes her
January 8th, 2015 at 4:31 pm
I am not sold on the fact they will draft a QB. Just a gut feeling they will look for a trade partner and get more draft picks but not with the Eagles.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:32 pm
After all that about Johnny Football last year and Jameis this year one thing is clear…Joe loves him some bad boys.
Hey whatever floats your boat. Andrew Luck is actually boring compared to Jameis…perhaps as boring as Marcus Mariota.
They’re all boring compared to Johnny Football who is a media megastar.
Joe likes him some excitement off the field as well as on. Nothing wrong with that.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:42 pm
As far as I am concerned he can party with Kenny Stabler every night, so long as he throws some td’s on Sunday.
January 8th, 2015 at 5:07 pm
@tampabaybucfan. Ha! Table dances at Golden Corral!! You’re killing me! Haha!
Also accurate stat on SK’S nfc champ record. I love it every time you remind us. Notice how Joe didn’t mention it?
January 8th, 2015 at 5:19 pm
Tom Edrington Says:
Of course you wouldn’t have to worry about Winston at the Mons….those are pros….he only preys on amateurs….
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Besides, rumor has it he is forgetful about paying too.
January 8th, 2015 at 7:09 pm
Winston isn’t at Luck’s level coming out, but he is the closest one in the last ten years before or after Luck.
His stats when trailing in games alone are astronomical. The Oregon game was the exception, not the rule as it pertains to Winston. Does he need some refinement? Sure, but the game comes so naturally to him it’s almost scary.
January 8th, 2015 at 7:17 pm
Guys, we’re going to have to deal with Joe’s daily Jamies CRAP! until the Bucs draft Mariotta and probably for months after that as well.
Joes’ gotta rock the boat!
Same logic with constantly referring to Grimmace (AKA: Shaun King) as one of three QBs to “lead” (?) the Bucs to the NFC Championship game.
All I know is this… The Glazier’s will NOT allow Winston in Tampa!
No way in hell they draft this kid. NO… WAY.
Go Sucs!
January 8th, 2015 at 9:42 pm
People if he doesn’t go to mons Venus that’s when it’s time to worry
January 8th, 2015 at 9:42 pm
I will take a boring QB over an eccentric party going guy any day.
As far as the rape thing goes. No one will ever know, except the 3 guys in the apartment and the woman involved, what exactly happened. My personal opinion is he had sex with a girl and she wanted to get paid. Am I wrong who knows. Its the other 6 or 7 things he has done that worries me.
And as far a mechanics go…Winston brings the ball so far behind him. Those split seconds will make a huge difference in the NFL. Mariotta brings it straight to his ear and the ball is gone all in one motion. It is beautiful. That said, Winston does put it on point most of the time. But Mariotta is over 70% accurate from the pocket or on the run. And very seldom turns it over. That’s what matters. Even Lovie knows that
January 8th, 2015 at 9:56 pm
I would be more worried about him if he did not go there…place is lame these days anyway
January 8th, 2015 at 10:08 pm
This is the NFL not Madden guys. Winston is without a shadow of a doubt the better NFL Quarterback/Prospect at this time Period! Whether you guys want to admit it or not Winston’s NFL learning curve will be much much shorter than Mariota’s in the beginning og their careers…
Winston is also a better fit personnel wise for us mostly due to his ability to fit into most NFL caliber offenses; Mariota on the other hand, is a fluid athlete that runs a cute offense up there in Oregon but in reality is as much of a gamble on the field as Winston is off the field…
The Million Dollar Question is can we/Lovie afford to wait 2 or 3 years developing Mariota into a Pro style QB in todays NFL??? We’re talking simple every day NFL stuff that many take for granted like taking snaps under center, dropping back and making all the throws…or Should we just customize an offense than only he can run? That’s smart, what if he gets hurt???
Beggers can be choosers here guys, we haven’t had a winning season in eons; I’m tired of waiting…Win Now with Winston…
January 8th, 2015 at 10:13 pm
We’re talking simple every day NFL stuff that many take for granted like taking snaps under center, dropping back and making all the throws…
…knowing you’re about to get Creamed by a 300 pound DL…
January 8th, 2015 at 11:12 pm
Sorry, Shaun King wasn’t anywhere near Andrew Luck talent – ever -if you’re not Andrew Luck, and never have been Andrew Luck…you can’t actually determine who does and does not have Andrew Luck talent.
This school, this offense, nor ANY of the coaches – have EVER produced an Andrew Luck…but…they HAVE produced JaMarcus Russell, Christian Ponder, and EJ Emanuel…
Unfortunately, THIS iteration of THAT type of QB also has really BAD red flags associated with his character.
He isn’t graduating with a degree in Architectural Design, in 3 years – Jameis is leaving school without a degree, under a smokescreen of numerous rape allegations, he stood on a table at FSU and sang obscene lyrics AT women passing in front of him…then there were point-shaving allegations…those are pretty serious allegations. We are told that because these reports are just allegations, they’re nothing more than smoke, not fire.
They’re right – if there’s nothing to these allegations of Jameis serious character flaws, they’ll fall away as the season progresses…and his play should have corrected the perception. After all, he’d never lost a game in his time at FSU.
Then we see him get dressed down by his coach for NOT following the gameplay/called plays…and a few weeks after this – he is tricked into wandering off the offensive playbook ahain – much to his coaches consternation (who in very precise words captured by the camera – told his star QB to “calm @#$% down or I’ll bench you…”)…this meltdown was brought on because Jameis lost the faith of his teammates and coaches in the biggest game of his career.
Initially, even HE recognized the need to work on his image – making vague references to “baseball”, or “waiting till next season’ – but clearly Jimbo had had enough – and sent a message for Jameis to take his traveling drama show and “explore his opportunities at the pro level..”
We should pretend to re-draft Cade McNown, wait 7 or 8 weeks and ‘sign’ him to Top 5 cash. Then we can start partying like we’ve hit the mother-load! We’ll be just as happy, he’ll be just as productive, and we’ll keep our cash till a real QB shows up, maybe next season.
January 9th, 2015 at 12:01 am
You’re all idiots. Winston would be a lock to go #1 if he was clean off the field. Not even close.
January 9th, 2015 at 12:58 am
white tiger! u mean the team never lost! there is just one of the problems with u people! its a team game he didn’t do it by himself. and the nfl is not college football last I checked. he has game for sure but he is young and needs a couple years to grow up! if and I think not ! the bucs take him he will not be the savior! period!!!!
January 9th, 2015 at 8:21 am
I sure the girls at Mons will treat Winston right. They usually treat any guy that walks through those doors pretty damn good. I’m sure Winston will be OK.