Winston Vs. Mariota, Open Thread
January 1st, 2015
Let the game begin!
Joe knows you’re watching, and Bucs general manager Jason Licht is there studying the sidelines, and more.
Bang it here in the comments section all game long. Slug it out/celebrate with fellow Bucs fans. (Keep in mind Joe’s had some issues with comments getting delayed, but Joe will be monitoring and trying to keep everything smooth.)
Joe’s rooting for both quarterbacks, though Joe is confident Jameis Winston will shine.
Kickoff is 5 p.m.
January 1st, 2015 at 5:22 pm
Get your Pop Corn ready Jameis is going to put on a show !!!!
January 1st, 2015 at 5:22 pm
I like the Winston pick more than Mariota, but I think the Noles will lose this one.
January 1st, 2015 at 5:23 pm
http://deadspin.com/everything-the-cops-didnt-do-in-the-jameis-winston-rape-1563730510 Here is a good read for you
There are numerous stories like this from both sides. Joe wonders if you read this. http://chopchat.com/2014/12/24/heres-new-york-times-isnt-telling/ –Joe
January 1st, 2015 at 5:25 pm
buckle up…next bucs qb on deck!
January 1st, 2015 at 5:26 pm
ps happy new year jbf and readers
January 1st, 2015 at 5:27 pm
Budweiser and chicken wings!
January 1st, 2015 at 5:27 pm
Hope Winston falls on his face. As far as a person goes he is a bad one. There has never been a QB in the draft that’s been such a bad character that I can think of
January 1st, 2015 at 5:28 pm
We could pick Mariota….and with no risk….try to trade him during the draft to perhaps the Jets or whichever team picks Winston.
If we traded down, we could still pick up Winston…..but that would be risky.
Bryce Petty is looking good….but who knows where he will go in the draft.
The good news is that we will get to see one of these QBs in two huge games against top opponents on the National stage.
January 1st, 2015 at 5:30 pm
go eat some crab legs nybucsfan
January 1st, 2015 at 5:31 pm
I read that the girl didn’t know her attacker for months than seen him in class and the DNA matched. Hmm not so sure that sounds like someone going after a high profile athlete. She didn’t know his name
January 1st, 2015 at 5:34 pm
Not to keep beating a dead horse but how do wife’s and daughter feel about him? Not saying he did it not saying he didn’t just a thought. Just not a guy I can root for
January 1st, 2015 at 5:38 pm
Man that Baylor D sure is screwing the pooch
January 1st, 2015 at 5:39 pm
@ max did last night and used my hard earned money to buy
January 1st, 2015 at 5:42 pm
Whatever happens tonight, basing the #1 overall pick on one game would be a colossal mistake. This should be fun, but it shouldn’t be the final word, or even the main factor in the pick.
January 1st, 2015 at 5:45 pm
2 sacks and an int on the last possession are not good for petty
January 1st, 2015 at 5:49 pm
Great to have the choice of these two…..both could be great…..or both could be busts….or one a bust and one great….or both mediocre or one medocre & one a bust or one great and one mediocre…..
CRAPSHOOT!!…..Usually is….
I think picking Mariota is the safe pick…..then trade him to a team that wants him more than Winston…..if that team doesn’t exist….stick with him!!!
January 1st, 2015 at 5:50 pm
Joe get on board with mariota!
January 1st, 2015 at 5:51 pm
I dont think they will necessarily pick the winner but whoever projectsthe best and who makes the right decisions.
Juat watched Connor Cook and lol no wondwr he’s coming back, he’s wildly inaccurate. No way he would be picked in top 3 rounds after this performance.
Got my Snyder’s buffwing pretzels and beer ready for a great game. Don’tmind me later if Im TTFT (too turnt for Tampa).
January 1st, 2015 at 5:53 pm
Lol Petty is the definition of a system QB.
January 1st, 2015 at 5:53 pm
@lurker, did you watch the whole game though….and it was over anyway when he threw that int on the last play of the game. But he broke the cotton bowl record for passing yards by the end of the 3rd quarter….he cant play defense too.
January 1st, 2015 at 5:58 pm
Always hate it when people try to make a matchup out to be qb vs. qb. They aren’t even on the field at the same time. Heck even if you somehow believe the qb makes up the entire offense you are still forgetting defense and special teams.
Also regardless of outcome of any one game not a fan of a guy who barely throws more tea than ints, and at college level at that. Should be easy to have a high ratio, just wait til the big leagues
January 1st, 2015 at 6:01 pm
I am glad this matchup is taking place because a lot of people only know Mariota from the last game and YouTube highlights. I stayed up and watched every game. Overall pretty nuts a few days after losing and getting the top pick and we are all getting to watch a game that has both of our potential top draft target going head to head. After such a depressing season, it is nice to watch both of these athletes and see hope for the future in both!
January 1st, 2015 at 6:04 pm
STEEL CAGE MATCH, BABY!
WINNER TAKE ALL!
LOSER GOES HOME!
Crab leg crook vs. Altar Boy!
Rapist vs. Boy Scout!
BB Gun vandal vs. Choir Boy!
Curse word slinger vs. Bible quoter!
LET’S GET THIS PARTY STARTED!
January 1st, 2015 at 6:05 pm
saw the game…petty had some great throws, so did cook, but neither is better than mariota or winston.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:07 pm
are real person vs someone who believes in make-believe
January 1st, 2015 at 6:07 pm
If it were me, I would trade down with the Titans (knowing they’re going QB) draft Leonard Williams, then draft an OT, then hope that Petty drops to the 3rd or move back into the 2nd to grab him.
or
Draft Winston, his Center Cam Erving, and WR Kenny Bell from Nebraska.
or
Draft Mariota, trade back into the 1st for Peat if he declares (and we have enough bargaining power) or the next best OT still available.
still working on the later rounds though….waiting until after Jan 15 for those.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:11 pm
If Winston wins the next two games, the Bucs have to draft, if he looses, take him anyway!!
January 1st, 2015 at 6:17 pm
mariota -1
winston 0
January 1st, 2015 at 6:18 pm
I brake for Jameis
January 1st, 2015 at 6:21 pm
OMG, their defense is FAST
January 1st, 2015 at 6:21 pm
mariota -1
winston 1 nice stiffarm on scramble
January 1st, 2015 at 6:22 pm
Winston as a Buc will immediately make are awful unis look better
January 1st, 2015 at 6:23 pm
NFL Defenses will eat Winston alive. Can’t you see it?
January 1st, 2015 at 6:24 pm
mariota -1
winston 0 stripped ball/ fumble
January 1st, 2015 at 6:25 pm
barry…you meant mariota, not winston
January 1st, 2015 at 6:29 pm
TD #1
January 1st, 2015 at 6:30 pm
Winston had 2 chances in the red zone and still couldn’t do it. Lurker give him -5.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:30 pm
Mariota!!!
January 1st, 2015 at 6:30 pm
Mariota is a stud
January 1st, 2015 at 6:32 pm
mariota 0
winston 0
i can’t keep up
this will be too fast paced especially later
January 1st, 2015 at 6:32 pm
Defenetly don’t want winston reminds me to much of Josh freeman Idk why people are on him so high this year when he hasn’t even played that we’ll against mediocre competition and his defense has kept them in these games not because of winston balling out … mariota is the guy accurate and smart a true qb someone that will never stop trying to be the best that’s the kind of qb I want
January 1st, 2015 at 6:33 pm
These refs are looking pretty bad early.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:33 pm
Wow 2pt conversion…..Oregon is serious!
January 1st, 2015 at 6:34 pm
What game is Lurker watching?
January 1st, 2015 at 6:35 pm
I’ll give Winston credit…the GT game he looked good. However, one game does not make a season. Let’s see if he can answer.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:36 pm
seriously la?
what has mariota done special except one run?
January 1st, 2015 at 6:37 pm
OMG I’m dreaming of the Bucs running the hurry up with Mariota
January 1st, 2015 at 6:37 pm
Bucs Nation had a nice article in these two with additional links that discredited myths about both QBs.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:39 pm
Nice throw by Winston, dropped…
January 1st, 2015 at 6:39 pm
Wow what a laser my Winston. Too bad it was dropped.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:39 pm
Incomplete but that’s accuracy . Right on the receivers hands.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:40 pm
*by Winston
January 1st, 2015 at 6:40 pm
Damn Winston has no fear and a real effing cannon. Sorry Glennon fanclub
January 1st, 2015 at 6:41 pm
Winston getting no protection. Looks like the the Bucs O-line
January 1st, 2015 at 6:41 pm
winston is the better qb in the pocket. his receivers have killed him all year.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:43 pm
i wonder who will be the oc?
January 1st, 2015 at 6:43 pm
I’m In the mariota camp
January 1st, 2015 at 6:44 pm
mariota with tons of shorts passes, and even those aren’t all accurate.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:45 pm
Mariota’s arm talent is lacking in comparison
January 1st, 2015 at 6:45 pm
Really want a Qb who rarely passes more than 5 yes. Misses another wide open receiver in between the numbers. No thanks.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:45 pm
That at was a nice hit to get Oregon off the field.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:45 pm
that weak-sauce arm is what we have here already in glennon. poor accuracy on deep passes.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:45 pm
@lurker Petty is looking more accurate than Mariota so far…..just saying
January 1st, 2015 at 6:45 pm
Mariota. No thanks.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:46 pm
poor decision-making and improvisation
January 1st, 2015 at 6:47 pm
Winston holds on to the ball to long he has no clock in his head as well as his trow in motion is to far back he will be getting sacked and fumbled a lot in the nfl these rushers make a living sacking and ripping
January 1st, 2015 at 6:47 pm
@madmax
i agree
this looks like the mariota vs arizona and from last year
January 1st, 2015 at 6:48 pm
game still young though
January 1st, 2015 at 6:48 pm
So he extends the play and makes the throw and you still come up with excuses. Hahaha Nole fans kill me.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:48 pm
Mariota avg. almost ten yards per attempt. Winston 6 so hmmm who do you want. Looks like FSU D and running game is better than the QB
January 1st, 2015 at 6:48 pm
Winston over throws. He is so inaccurate.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:49 pm
ok bucs55 that is not what the professionals say, but thanks
January 1st, 2015 at 6:49 pm
i think both qb’s are jittery right now
January 1st, 2015 at 6:49 pm
Mariota missed wide open guy twice. Scares me
January 1st, 2015 at 6:50 pm
I hope they are jittery. Because I’m not impressed thus far.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:51 pm
Winston throwing alot of short passes. Let’s see some throws past 3 yds.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:53 pm
Happy new year boys!!
FSU #1
January 1st, 2015 at 6:54 pm
Game’s just getting started. But the 1st quarter belongs to Mariota.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:54 pm
Refs want FSU
January 1st, 2015 at 6:54 pm
Lurker
what game has he came out and killed it in none this year and playing against mediocre competition because they didn’t play anyone if it wasent for his run gsme and his defense theu wouldnt be here but let me guess youres a noles fanz and you gonna find any excuse
January 1st, 2015 at 6:54 pm
3rd bail out call for FSU…go figure
January 1st, 2015 at 6:55 pm
You mean Mariota is throwing short..
January 1st, 2015 at 6:57 pm
Winston looks like a clumsy oaf compared to Mariotta…hmmm clumsy emotional rtard or sharp, quick grown man…easy call
January 1st, 2015 at 6:57 pm
U guys notice the errant throw by Mariota in the red zone. That was footwork. Rodgers learned it so can he. For winston right now his release is what scares me
January 1st, 2015 at 6:58 pm
DB55,
Happy New Year right back at you!
January 1st, 2015 at 6:58 pm
Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:
January 1st, 2015 at 6:51 pm
Winston throwing alot of short passes. Let’s see some throws past 3 yds.
Maybe Winston is trying to show Jason Licht that he can play “Lovie Ball”!
January 1st, 2015 at 6:58 pm
Nybucsfan…it’s beyond obvious….
I counted 3 VERY late hits by FSU out of bounds…Nothing…3 ticky tacks for Oregon….
January 1st, 2015 at 6:58 pm
This is about the 5th game I’ve watched for both of these teams, the Oregon D has really stepped it up, both QBs look a little unsettled, but, and I’ve said this before, taking nothing away from either one talent wise, looking at Winston, he’s gonna ballon, his weight is gonna be a real issue for him, whoever drafts him.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:59 pm
Knees down.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:59 pm
GJ Winston, I was saying suck it up, go for it and run it in and he did…..uh oh, he’s down
January 1st, 2015 at 7:00 pm
Broy
I said the same thing he release is scary he will get sacked and fumbled a lot in the nfl he’s release is to far
January 1st, 2015 at 7:00 pm
Winston is 6-4 240 and can’t run a QB sneak from under center?
I know Mariotta Can’t but why not a QB sneak at the one foot line?
January 1st, 2015 at 7:00 pm
Mariota looks inaccurate so far but it’s likely nerves
January 1st, 2015 at 7:00 pm
Right, maybe he is Buc Realist.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:01 pm
Why is FSU running? Oregon has an awful secondary. Throw it.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:02 pm
noone is going to convince the other to change their minds
sho-nuff already calling names even though i think anyone who believes in a make-believe god is an idiot.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:03 pm
refs are slowing down Oregon’s pace…
January 1st, 2015 at 7:04 pm
FSU is running because the Duck D is fast as hell and is getting to Winston, also seem to be confusing him with scheme.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:04 pm
I like FSU db Darby, dude is punishing oregon receivers and rb’s.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:05 pm
Noles are being outplayed on both sides of he ball.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:05 pm
and right on cue, darby hits hard again…lol
January 1st, 2015 at 7:06 pm
No to both of these QB’s!
January 1st, 2015 at 7:07 pm
lurker “make believe god” that’s new to me considering that I’m a proud atheist..let me guess you’re a cloud 9’r…
e·mo·tion·al in·tel·li·gence
noun
the capacity to be aware of, control, and express one’s emotions, and to handle interpersonal relationships judiciously and empathetically.
…the exact opposite of your huckleberry Winston….there you go you learned something today
January 1st, 2015 at 7:08 pm
Very impressed with Mariota’s mobility. Both QB’s seem a bet jittery….probably all that adrenaline!
January 1st, 2015 at 7:09 pm
Marcus Mariota 100% for the bucs. It’s so obvious.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:10 pm
Jesus is real!
January 1st, 2015 at 7:11 pm
Come JW
January 1st, 2015 at 7:12 pm
Marriotta for #1
January 1st, 2015 at 7:13 pm
nice comprehension, shonuff…i meant mariota, like you meant winston.
how old are you? what was your emotional intelligence at 20 vs now?
and i’m sure you couldn’t teach me anything worthwhile
January 1st, 2015 at 7:13 pm
These refs are killing me on both sides.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:14 pm
deminion,
Jesus is real.
Duh!
He mows my lawn.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:14 pm
Mariota is Johnny Manziel #2. No Thank you. Overthrows, Throwing across his body. He looks like a very athletic system QB but not Franchise QB in the biggest game of his career. IMHO.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:15 pm
Glad I’m recording this. I’m going to rewatch this a few times.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:15 pm
Not impressed with Mariota so far, especially after watching Bryce Petty pass for 550 today….
January 1st, 2015 at 7:16 pm
Everyone has their beliefs
January 1st, 2015 at 7:16 pm
Terrible pass by Winston. Can he throw a spiral?
January 1st, 2015 at 7:20 pm
Run Cook Run…if they win..Cook for MVP.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:22 pm
so skyline, you want the nole to win but for winston to do poorly?
January 1st, 2015 at 7:22 pm
Winston will be great or will be a Vince Young bust. It’s worth the risk. Grow a pair Buc fan.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:22 pm
Both excel in different areas. Apples to oranges. Think it really depends on which OC we select and the system we want to implement.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:22 pm
Much better spiral there.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:22 pm
Skyline Crew,
There’s your spiral. How about that dart?
January 1st, 2015 at 7:22 pm
Winston is just plain better than Mariota. If Lovie doesn’t get this kid, I’m done and I am a DIE REALLY REALLY HARD Buc fan. But this Winston kid is tbe biggest no-brainer ever. Regardless of the outcome of this game, Winston is Pro Ready now.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:23 pm
damn nice throw
January 1st, 2015 at 7:24 pm
either qb will be a massive improvement over what we have now!
hopefully we will all be winners.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:24 pm
JW!
January 1st, 2015 at 7:25 pm
Winston throwing across his body. Don’t want that.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:26 pm
what kind of fan are you chanepic?
January 1st, 2015 at 7:26 pm
get off the field bo…you’re whining don’t play well on the west coast
January 1st, 2015 at 7:26 pm
Lurker, why would I want Winston to do terrible?
January 1st, 2015 at 7:27 pm
I have to admit that so far Winston looks like the better passer but Mariota looks like a playmaker overall and has a high ceiling.
I like them both and we have to consider their playing good defenses.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:27 pm
Nice pass interference on Oregon. Wrestled him down in the EZ.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:27 pm
Yikes….I’m no Winston fan but that was a bad call refs
January 1st, 2015 at 7:27 pm
BS no call on the Nick Leary TD.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:27 pm
I have seen nothing from either QB that sets them far apart from each other.
Both have overthrown, both have been nearly picked, and both are throwing short.
Mariota is running more though.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:28 pm
Mariota is running well but has made some legitimately terrible, inaccurate throw. Winston looks sluggish in comparison but has made a couple of very pretty, accurate throws.
We’re after a qb, right? I’ll take the guy who can actually pass the football.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:28 pm
what…no flag…lol
January 1st, 2015 at 7:29 pm
not real impressed by either QB
January 1st, 2015 at 7:29 pm
Winston isn’t better than Mariota plus he is kinda a dirtbag lovie I hope would draft him
January 1st, 2015 at 7:30 pm
Lurker: Die HARD. I love my Buccaneers! But this pick @ #1 is a no-brainer and I hope Lovie doesn’t fall victim to Winston hate and goes and gets this kid.To be perfectly honest, Mariota is one hell of a consolation prize. I just think you’d have to create an offense for him to be successful at the next level.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:30 pm
Both QBs have looked jittery and thrown near interceptions……either QB will make us better…..I personally want the Bucs to run the up-tempo hurry up offense and that makes me lean towards Mariota
January 1st, 2015 at 7:30 pm
DB def got away with one there. Maybe to even the other calls? Ha!
I don’t like seeing JW whine like that.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:30 pm
One thing I like better about these college games over the NFL, no commercial after a kickoff.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:31 pm
There’s no way we go winstin… It doesn’t even ryme with anything, we had to suck for the duck..not play poorlyistin for winstin.. Pshhhh duh
January 1st, 2015 at 7:31 pm
Mariota doesn’t take hits
January 1st, 2015 at 7:31 pm
Scarey. Look at the resemblance to Winston.
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/233257/thumbs/r-SHAUN-KING-ARRESTED-DUI-large570.jpg
January 1st, 2015 at 7:32 pm
the whiney neck got his call back…classic
January 1st, 2015 at 7:32 pm
The facial resemblance I mean.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:33 pm
Winston makes some big time throws then turns around and throws across his body. He’s a gunslinger, it’s his DNA. Whoever drafts him.will have to live with 15-20ints a year.
Man that DB just mauled O’Leary. That was a horrible no call.
I am not impressed with Mariota at all. Sure, he’s mobile but he is inaccurate and is hidden behind a QB friendly system. No way he is worthy of a number 1 pick. These little elusive scramble plays won’t work in the NFL.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:33 pm
OK Mariota looked great on that would be sack. Wow!
January 1st, 2015 at 7:33 pm
There you go. Mariota stayed in the pocket got out of the sack and threw a nice shot.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:34 pm
I gotta say, I’m leaning toward Mariota so far. Plus, when you see a close up of Winston, he looks eerily like Sean King.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:34 pm
No one can say Mariota is a scramble first QB , hung in the pocket and kept his eyes downfield the entire time, no panick
January 1st, 2015 at 7:34 pm
They both look about as accurate, but damn MM has got some wheels!
There’s no reason why we couldn’t creste a pro offense that he would be successful in with the right coordinator and improved oline.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:36 pm
@Bonzai I agree! It’s eerie and I don’t like it!
January 1st, 2015 at 7:36 pm
haha…LOVE IT!
January 1st, 2015 at 7:37 pm
Mariotta looks good running the Oregon offense. Tampa Bay does not have the Oregon college spread offense.
Mariotta does not look like a pro qb. Winston looks better but his D can’t stop anyone and o line is not always helpful. Oregon’s D is fast.
But if the season holds true, FSU has Oregon right where they want them, in the lead at HT
January 1st, 2015 at 7:38 pm
Alright, next up is Winston. Let’s see it.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:38 pm
I don’t see how anyone would take Mariota over Winston at this point. Winston has NFL throws. Mariota connects mostl on outs that will rarely be part of an nfl offense
January 1st, 2015 at 7:39 pm
Neither of these guys look worthy of the #1 at least so far in this game, but Mariota might be able to survive and improvise better than Winston if forced to play behind Lovie’s hand picked underwhelming OL? Petty looked very good in the Cotton Bowl regardless of the last drive in that game.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:39 pm
Pete I – Totally Agree.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:40 pm
No judgement til the second half.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:40 pm
Holy Crap Winston made a WONDERFUL throw on the run.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:40 pm
Mariota is a modern-day Tarkenton. If we are drafting a quarterback, then we need someone who can extend plays while seeking open receivers down the field.
Behind our offensive line, such ability is of prime importance.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:40 pm
These guys aren’t perfect, they both are good but will need work. They will both be NFL starters. I do think Mariota is the safe pick, but Winston is the better QB.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:40 pm
Nice sideline throw by Winston
January 1st, 2015 at 7:41 pm
LOL WINSTONITES
January 1st, 2015 at 7:41 pm
Nice sideline throw by Winston. Looked good there. Maybe the QBs are finally calming down.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:41 pm
Wintson is better – sucks he is such a loon
January 1st, 2015 at 7:42 pm
Whoops I put that backwards. Winston > Mariota. I’ll take the guy making the reads in a pro style offense
January 1st, 2015 at 7:42 pm
Mariota would probably be ROY if the Eagles somehow can draft him.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:42 pm
Toes on the line, these guys already earned it this game doesn’t define them.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:43 pm
If we draft Mariota I’m going to go buy Madden 16 bc Mariota will have like 92 speed lol.
Nice answer. Winston.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:43 pm
Here comes FSU before the half, the nole’s SOP, points and the ball at the half!
January 1st, 2015 at 7:43 pm
I think the ones set on Winston already are gonna nit pick at Mariota and not like him at all. And just the same for people that like Mariota.
Both have made bad throws and both have made good throws. Still to early to judge completely. The same stuff some are yelling at Mariota about Winston is doing and vice versa.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:44 pm
Jameis it is! I’m sold.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:44 pm
destinJohnny – Winston is only a loon to people who don’t know him. His teammates LOVE him. You don’t know Winston, only what you have read about him. He’s a freaking 21-22 y/o kid and a shit ton of grown men love taking shots at him to make themselves feel morally superior. I’ll believe his teammates over 4th, 5th 6, 200th hand takes from people on the outside.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:44 pm
12 men on the field? Who says Oregon doesn’t play pro style …Bucs style.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:45 pm
You should read this during half time http://www.bucsnation.com/2015/1/1/7477843/rounding-up-some-marcus-mariota-vs-jameis-winston-analysis
January 1st, 2015 at 7:45 pm
@Matt Lol
January 1st, 2015 at 7:45 pm
I still favor Bryce Petty over these two QB’s.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:46 pm
That will help get rid of some of your myths about both QBs
January 1st, 2015 at 7:46 pm
Second quarter is a tie for both QB’s.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:47 pm
Finally they start throwing the ball. Oregon has one of the worse secondaries in the NCAA and FSU wasn’t going after it.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:47 pm
@ Joe
Why are my benign comments saying “awaiting moderation” ???
January 1st, 2015 at 7:47 pm
Nice quality 2 minute drill by Winston, looked like a pro moving a pro team down the field.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:48 pm
Terrible throw by MM
January 1st, 2015 at 7:48 pm
As I said, Winston has the nfl arm
January 1st, 2015 at 7:49 pm
Mariotta in the pocket failed on that pass.
Setting up a FSU FG attempt.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:51 pm
Winston all day. Don’t look back
January 1st, 2015 at 7:51 pm
Oh well on the FG, nevertheless MM had no pressure in the pocket and threw that pass? Yuck!
January 1st, 2015 at 7:52 pm
Yes I have to admit seeing them on the same field has helped. Winston looks better at this point or NFL ready. I was thinking Mariota but Winston just looks more poised in the pocket, sees the field, and takes good risk.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:53 pm
Can’t stand Winston.
If the Bucs draft him over Marriotta… then I will just go ahead and change teams.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:55 pm
There should no longer be a debate. Oregon’s offense has no semblance of pro system. Mariota is basically a running QB and has missed several open receivers. No way in hell he would succeed in a Lovie based offense.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:56 pm
Mariotta all day. This guy is electric and will ignite the fan base. Winston carries himself too much like Freeman. Don’t screw this up Bucs..
January 1st, 2015 at 7:57 pm
Winston is the pro style QB but is a loose cannon. He’s not afraid to throw the ball which leads to a lot of good plays but also a ton of careless picks. He is not as athletic as Mariota but makes better pocket throws.
Mariota is a better runner and throws better on the run. He plays small ball like Glennon and doesn’t turn the ball over, but doesn’t have as much confidence in his throwing ability as Winston. He would do better behind the Bucs terrible O-line than Winston, but Winston would probably do better with time against an NFL defense.
Again, it’s all about who our OC is.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:59 pm
So far neither QB is worthy of the number one pick or even first round consideration,but the second half may change my mind.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:59 pm
Mariotta looks like the top college spread QB but not currently a top Pro QB. Needs lots of work.
Winston looks like a excellent college pro style QB and an adequate Pro QB. Needs some work.
#1 in the draft should start immediately.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:59 pm
Mariota is the clear choice never has there been a QB that has done all the shady stuff Winston has done been drafted 1. You really have to be a Dummy to draft him and his hair brain choices
January 1st, 2015 at 8:02 pm
Hook Joe up and visit http://DolmanLaw.com
Great way to educated over there.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:03 pm
Would Tennessee draft MM at this point? Would the Jets? Would Cleveland?
January 1st, 2015 at 8:04 pm
Nybucsfan….that’s a fair statement but not a good way to judge who’s the better QB.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:05 pm
MM will be heading to your local NY Jets I imagine NYBucsfan.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:06 pm
Mariota has made some horrible looking throws today. Missing wide open guys. Yes, he’s looked fast as hell with his feet but no thanks, you can’t draft a qb 1st overall who you have to teach to throw the football. It’s as simple as that.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:06 pm
Even if MM is the winning QB is he a pro ready QB?
January 1st, 2015 at 8:06 pm
Marcus reminds me of Jeff Garcia 2.0 !!!! Garcia wouldn’t even draft himself number 1 if he had the chance too. Can’t miss throws in the middle of the field in any level , but especially in the NFL . so far MM has three wide open over throws on his first read …should have two ints .. I’d much rather gamble on Big Ben 2.0 than Jeff Garcia 2.0
January 1st, 2015 at 8:07 pm
Well, I came into this game hoping to be convinced one way or the other.
So far, here’s what I’ve seen:
Winston
1. Not as accurate as I’ve heard…which makes seonse given his number of picks.
2. Takes too long to throw the ball…is this a pocket passer thing these days?
3. To me, it seems like he is overweight…or looks like he could become overweight easily. Maybe its his uni though.
4. With helmets on, compare how Winston looks to Sean King. They could be brothers, and that scares me.
5. Most of the yards his team gets are a result of other players, not Winston himself (meaning passing or scrambling).
(I’ve heard he plays best in the second half, so I’m reserving judgement).
Mariota
1. Seems more accurate to me, though not NFL accurate (yet).
2. Thinks faster, moves faster. To me, he physically looks like Colin Kaepernick, and the media compares his play stile to Colin Kaepernick.
3. He seems very good at misleading the defense during hand offs or fake handoffs.
4. I’m not seeing the “run first” issue I’ve heard about. He runs sometimes, but he is always ready to pass it on the run.
5. The yards his team gets are yards he is equally involved in getting.
(I’m still not sold yet though)
Thus far, I’ve seen impressive things from Mariota. Nothing impresses me with Winston, and I’m trying to be objective. I just keep seeing Winston standing in that pocket and counting to three…and thinking “He’d have been hit by now!”
Also, on several plays, Oregon could have sacked him, but instead tried to block his passes.
As to Mariota, he may not be run first in this game, but in the NFL? Where the game is faster?
January 1st, 2015 at 8:08 pm
I don’t want either of these qbs lets trade down!
January 1st, 2015 at 8:09 pm
Mariota is a 2-3 year project while you could put Winston under center Day 1 with some big receivers and he’ll instantly be an upgrade for us. Mike Evans will lead the league in TDs with Winston at QB. If we can get Cameron Erving and or one of his linemen to give him familiarity, he’ll do very well.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:09 pm
“Nothing impresses me with Winston, and I’m trying to be objective.”
LOL
January 1st, 2015 at 8:09 pm
Reading all these comments is like watching a fish on a hot pier, flip-flopping around.
Winston!
No!
Mariota!
No! Mariota!
No!
Winston!
January 1st, 2015 at 8:10 pm
NYBUCSFAN – Go get bent clown.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:10 pm
Mariota to me is Robert griffin 2.0. Athletic and accurate and will not translate to the pro game. Jameis to me is Big Ben 2.0, maybe not the intangibles but strong body and top notch pocket presence that make up for his shortcomings on the field. Anyone that knows what they are watching should know it’s abundantly obvious Jameis goes no.1 if we go QB. Jameis makes the reads and goes through progressions and Mariota runs around like a chicken with his head cut off on every play where he feels pressure
January 1st, 2015 at 8:12 pm
Please guys put your fsU like or hatred aside. Neither one of thses guys warrants #1 overall pick.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:12 pm
Winston has a good coach I really think he isn’t anything special can’t move really reminds me of freeman.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:12 pm
I think Bryce Petty’s stock went up today…
January 1st, 2015 at 8:13 pm
No point picking a pocket passer behind a line that can’t protect a quarterback on a consistent basis. To make it work, you would need someone with Manning or Marino quick release capability. I don’t see that in Winston. He benefits from the protection given him by one of the best offensive lines in college football…and still makes way too many mistakes for the time he is allowed in the FSU passing game.
I like Mariota’s ability to escape and the use of that ability to openup the passing game for his team. But if someone stupid came along and offered the Bucs a sick deal for this pick, then we should take it and use the extra picks to address substantial weaknesses on the o-line and running back corps.
These two may be franchise qbs. But no quarterback ever earned that designation spending most of his time staring at the sky from the vantagepoint of his earhole.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:14 pm
Kay, tonight no progression from Winston. He is staring down recevers big time and has been all year. Hence his 17 picks.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:15 pm
BucNut – 2 Heisman trophy winner QBs with 1 national championship already and a possible another coming to one of the two of them and neither of them are worth a #1 pick?
Really?
Where is the facepalm on this thing??? Sheesh.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:15 pm
I’m not seeing Mariota playing just the spread offense.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:17 pm
Somebody in the NFL is going to want Winston at #1. Somebody is going to take Winston in the first round.
If its not the Buc’s it will because Lovie is a dope or really wants Leonard to beef up our “pass rush”.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:17 pm
@Bucnut2,
Agreed on that. Not impressed with either one so far in this game, but going from the season I like Mariota better than Winston. Both have had some bad throws and both have had some good throws. I think FSU is finally figuring out that Oregon’s secondary sucks and will be throwing more instead of running so we will see more of Winston. Mariota has made some good reads and stayed in the pocket, but has also made some bad throws. Winston throws off his back foot a little to much for me. He needs to work on that. Both throw on the run and both throw across their body. Winton seems to have problems in the red zone this game as well. 2nd half will be interesting.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:18 pm
Baugh – So it’s your contention that the Bucs Oline will be exactly the same as it was last year even though it was the MOST GLARING dumpster fire on a team full of dumpster fires? The whole point of the offseason is fixing the offense and every Bucs fan knows that. Of course the Bucs will address the woeful Oline.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:18 pm
Winston is the most pro ready.. I don’t like him personally but he’s really good..
Would love to see that #5 jersey with the buccs next year , an immediate upgrade from our last 10 yrs of qb’s
January 1st, 2015 at 8:19 pm
“I’m not seeing Mariota playing just the spread offense.”
Correct, and when he stood in the pocket with no pressure he threw an awful INT
January 1st, 2015 at 8:19 pm
Hey Bucnut2,
How about this little nugget?
Giving Lovie the #1 draft pick is like giving a 5 year old a loaded gun.
You know it’s not going to end well.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:22 pm
Jamis stats for 2014 prior to this game…
276/422 with 17 interceptions, that’s right 17 picks.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:23 pm
Pete considering that is his third pick I’ll take it. However, you accept 17 picks.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:24 pm
Mariota moving the ball. FSU D doesn’t look ready..gotta be quicker.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:24 pm
Dave, totally with you. That’s part of the reason I want to trade. I don’t like either of these qbs and don’t trust lovie
January 1st, 2015 at 8:25 pm
Nice drive by the ducks, a decent throw from the pocket, noles D getting overrun.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:26 pm
I haven’t previously watched Mariotta or Winston play. And quite honestly, neither is tremendously impressive. They look like college players. Not NFL ready QBs.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:26 pm
Let’s see Winston now. Might have a shootout on our hands.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:26 pm
Neither one will be a franchise caliber QB. Trade the pick and load up on talent. Trade up for a real QB the next time one comes along. Unfortunately this is not the year of the QB.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:26 pm
Mariota is a stud man – he’s got a huge arm and quick release, Bucs are in a good situation.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:27 pm
We need to pass on both of these qbs. Bryce petty looms better in the 3rd. Trade down!
January 1st, 2015 at 8:28 pm
Looks
January 1st, 2015 at 8:29 pm
If bucs draft Winston you have to keep all the woman in tampa inside. Who would where any thing that said Winston.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:29 pm
Chan….it took this staff a draft, spring practices, and two pre-season games to figure out the line was a problem last year.
My fear is that this crew will believe the problem was the lack of a proper coordinator/qb over the offensive line.
We should be building the trench first and then working our w
If you are going qb first, then you had better have a guy who can create time on his own.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:30 pm
MM looked pretty poised in the pocket on that last drive.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:30 pm
By the way Winston lovers, Oregons secondary is terrible. Winston should be having a 500 yard day!
January 1st, 2015 at 8:31 pm
Winston doesn’t look a bit pro ready to me. In fact, he doesn’t look good at all.
I really don’t care who wins this game. I’m watching to see which QB is better, and so far, it’s Mariota. Winston supporters keep mentioning he’s more pro ready. I don’t see it.
He throws off his back foot. He holds onto the ball WAY too long. He stares down WRs. And he doesn’t go through progressions well. He looks like Sean King wearing Josh Freeman’s number.
With Mariota, I see him scanning the field rapidly, moving in the pocket well and throwing on the run well. His fakes are primo.
When Mariota gets the ball, you immediately think he might score. When Winston gets it, you don’t.
Winston is being outclassed in this game so far. Even his completions are badly thrown. He throws like that in the NFL, he’ll have 30-40 picks a year.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:31 pm
And there…he nearly lost the ball on a sack.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:31 pm
I want to like Mariota and thought at one time that he should be the pick. I went bck and looked at the previous games and came away thinking Winston was the better QB. After wathing this, I’m pretty sure that Winston is the guy. He just makes plays that you want from your NFL QB. I’m looking at Mariota making mostly short passes and missing some of those.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:32 pm
Problem with Mariota is Oregon’s offense is very fast. In the NFL it will be far slower. Not sure if his style of play would be successful in Tampa (or on most teams in the league).
January 1st, 2015 at 8:32 pm
Big Mac what you said
January 1st, 2015 at 8:32 pm
Winston is bumbling fool. He’d fit right in with this clown shoe offense. Winston is worthy of a 7’th round pick.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:32 pm
That first down would have been a pick in the NFL, because the WR would have been covered and it was thrown low and behind.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:33 pm
Nice pass on 3rd and long.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:33 pm
Do NFL teams run 4 wide receivers all game long lime FSU?
January 1st, 2015 at 8:34 pm
Every QB misses passes. The difference here is Mariota still scores touchdowns.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:34 pm
Told you…shootout baby.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:34 pm
I think Mariota will come out and say he will not play for the bucs.
Winston is all about getting paid, like a gangsta.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:35 pm
Winston’s concerns are off the field. But he definitely looks like a better NFL QB prospect.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:35 pm
Not impressed
January 1st, 2015 at 8:35 pm
That rollout was and NFL throw guys…doesn’t get much better than that.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:35 pm
*like
January 1st, 2015 at 8:36 pm
jo_mamma, neither will come out and say they won’t play for the Buccaneers. EVERY TEAM that picks number one is a horrible team. That doesn’t mean that if they take a QB he’ll refuse to play.
Not happening.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:37 pm
Both still have to announce if they’re coming out though.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:38 pm
As a qb concerned we need to go with the duck to many charcter issues. We need a qb whowork hard at his craft not put him self in ddanger to be suspended or arrested don’t trust Winston
January 1st, 2015 at 8:38 pm
Flip-Flop!
Flip-Flop!
Fish on a hot pier!
January 1st, 2015 at 8:38 pm
Athleticism, Mariota>Winston
Speed Mariota> Winston
Arm Strength Winston>Mariota
Durability Winston> Mariota
Decision Making Mariota>Winston
Accuracy Push
Pro Ready Winston>Mariota
Character Mariota>Winston
My impression so far.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:39 pm
Jameis delivers when you need it.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:40 pm
You don’t take a thief accused rapist property damaging a table standing garbage mouth that could have been sexually harassment first overall get your heads out of your a**
January 1st, 2015 at 8:41 pm
I do like up tempo
January 1st, 2015 at 8:42 pm
Nice strong throw there. Right in stride. Wow.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:43 pm
@katobuc
He’s certainly delivering in this game (not really).
I want him to win me over. It’s just not happening.
winston is so outclassed in this game it is sick.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:43 pm
5 years from now both these guys will be holding clipboards on Sunday’s or driving beer trucks!
January 1st, 2015 at 8:44 pm
I think they both will announce and I think the Bucs are in play for both. I just don’t see either one of these guys pulling and Eli Manning.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:44 pm
Gonna be a shootout. Both QBs look much more comfortable right now. Both are looking good. Not going to be an easy choice for the scouts.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:45 pm
Not that impressed with either QB, did anyone watch the Baylor game, man Bryce Petty was sneaking some throws into tight coverage and against a top ten defense. The Bucs should take a hard look at Petty.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:45 pm
Nybucsfan Says:
January 1st, 2015 at 8:40 pm
You don’t take a thief accused rapist property damaging a table standing garbage mouth that could have been sexually harassment first overall get your heads out of your a**
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You also don’t take a system QB from a spread offense.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:47 pm
That PFF article was a great read. It does show MM grading out better in almost every category including intermediate and long throws. JW is more accurate at short passes, and was marginally better against the blitz.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:47 pm
You guys saying Winston is being outclassed, I don’t know how much football you have watched but I know this game is not one of them. Winston and Mariota are both playing well but I like what Winston is doing. I think people are confusing scheme with QB play.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:47 pm
Test
January 1st, 2015 at 8:47 pm
No to petty. Talk about a system qb…
January 1st, 2015 at 8:48 pm
Dave pin I agree. Trade down and look at petty
January 1st, 2015 at 8:48 pm
Also, the fumbles have nothing to do with Winston. The throw was right on time.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:48 pm
cook lost it again
January 1st, 2015 at 8:49 pm
Danpin
January 1st, 2015 at 8:49 pm
what’d i miss?
January 1st, 2015 at 8:49 pm
Mariota is having a huge 3rd.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:50 pm
Another beautiful pass by Mariota. That was nice.
So I take my previous comment about Cook being MVP. Guy has wheels and has a lot of yards, but man hold on to the ball.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:50 pm
Mariota and Frost please..
January 1st, 2015 at 8:51 pm
Look Winston is good. He is just not worth. The risk at #1 overall. Think Johnny football .
January 1st, 2015 at 8:51 pm
Winston so far is clearly the better QB
January 1st, 2015 at 8:52 pm
Mariota > Winston
Thank god we’ll finally have a quarterback next year
January 1st, 2015 at 8:52 pm
Unbelievable Says:
January 1st, 2015 at 8:47 pm
That PFF article was a great read. It does show MM grading out better in almost every category including intermediate and long throws. JW is more accurate at short passes, and was marginally better against the blitz.
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That is why I posted it, but wanted to take some myths out like the Running QB saying about Mariota.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:52 pm
ducks are kicking some As$, Can winston and crew can come back?
January 1st, 2015 at 8:52 pm
Looks like a strike from the pocket
January 1st, 2015 at 8:53 pm
That pass by Winston before the Cook turnover was not good. Miss communication by QB and receiver. Winston has made some good throws though.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:54 pm
This game has confirmed my worst fears. Mariota is not nfl ready. Winston might be,BUT he is NOT good enough tower come his character concerns and draft him. Trade down!
January 1st, 2015 at 8:54 pm
Mariota looks the more poised QB so far in this game (to me). He is mentally processing things at the line, but I’m interested to see how Winston does in the 4th quarter where he’s supposedly been clutch.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:54 pm
To over come
January 1st, 2015 at 8:56 pm
Bucrightoff
why not ?? If I recall cam newton was a number 1 overall pick and he came from a read option scheme in college as well as thr last superbowl winnee runs the read option in seattle you act like the pro stylr offense csnt be taught smh winston has already reached his cealing jamarcus russell was supposebly the next john elway because he came out of a pro style offense
January 1st, 2015 at 8:57 pm
This is the first game I’ve seen Mariota in and I’m scared as hell that we pick him. I’ve never seen a more system QB rated this high. All throws to open receivers because the defence can’t grasp the plays. It’s clear as day that his stats is all Oregons scheme.
All the while Winston is carrying all of FSU on his back, crawling towards the end zone with 11 oregons players hanging on to his ankles.
Jesus.. Just declare Winston as our pick already!!
January 1st, 2015 at 8:58 pm
Honest question: Don’t you guys think you can run a pro-style spread / west-coast system that MM could thrive in? something similar to what Denver does? And you have the ability to wrinkle in option/draw plays once in a while.
Guess it comes down to whether MM can truly read defenses.
January 1st, 2015 at 8:59 pm
Mariota is a smart qb what makes you think he won’t progress in a nfl type offense
January 1st, 2015 at 8:59 pm
would be nice to know who the OC will be and what style of offense they want to run. That probably is more important in determining who the Bucs should draft. Still not seeing anything that says “this guy will carry the franchise to a Super Bowl”, but this is only one game
January 1st, 2015 at 9:00 pm
@lovie you name has it right. Play Glennon, trade down pick DE
January 1st, 2015 at 9:00 pm
PFF is not a good reference. According to them the 2nd best QB in the NFL in the second half of the season was….Teddy Bridgewater. Yeah….
January 1st, 2015 at 9:00 pm
Ur right no way Mariota. Must have Winston. Im salvating right now
January 1st, 2015 at 9:01 pm
Winston is not comfortable with the hurry up, doesn’t see the play clock and causes his team to burn timeouts in this game. That’s VERY Josh Freemanesque
January 1st, 2015 at 9:01 pm
Winston sucks..,I see Byron Leftwhich all over again.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:01 pm
That fumble was definitely Freemanlike
January 1st, 2015 at 9:01 pm
Winston nfl ready? How about game management two wasted time outs?
January 1st, 2015 at 9:01 pm
Lol yea Winston
January 1st, 2015 at 9:02 pm
Ok that fumble may have been worse than anything mc clown has done ass season. Cmon man! Wow.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:02 pm
lol,,,wtf was that…
January 1st, 2015 at 9:02 pm
Holy cow…Josh McCown would be proud of that gaff!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:02 pm
THAT WAS UGLY
January 1st, 2015 at 9:02 pm
Mariota would definitely do better behind our O-line than Winston.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:02 pm
Game over…can’t see them coming back from that
January 1st, 2015 at 9:02 pm
OMG!!!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:02 pm
I think Winston just killed em’.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:02 pm
Great play by Winston. He wasn’t even hit and fumbled the ball away. TD Oregon!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:02 pm
Welcome Mariota!!!!!!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:02 pm
Mariota is going to be like Steve Young or Aaron Rodgers
January 1st, 2015 at 9:02 pm
Uh oh spaghetti Ohs
January 1st, 2015 at 9:03 pm
*all season
January 1st, 2015 at 9:03 pm
Winston=Sanchez butt fumble!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:03 pm
LMAO….. Please make that play a loop for Winston.
Joe please freeze that fumble image in your next Winston daily.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:03 pm
Lol Winston sucks
January 1st, 2015 at 9:03 pm
THAT looked like a Bucs play! Winston FUMBLE!!!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:03 pm
LOL! WOW!
Neither one of these guys are franchise QBs…. I know you dont want to hear it but both would need a lot of work if we draft one.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:03 pm
O yes you guys want the next mark sanchez loses the ball by himself I rather just stick with McCown smh draft the duck
January 1st, 2015 at 9:03 pm
Welp, dont know wth Winston was thinking there but go up and read the 2nd comment….pretty sure this games over….smh
Bryce Petty over both of these guys.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:04 pm
Was watching the Rose Bowl tonight and a Bucs game broke out.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:04 pm
And that’s the game folks. The nail in the coffin. I dunno mariota is looking a lot better and I originally wanted Winston. At this point I would be happy with either one.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:05 pm
Really don’t like the way Winston is whining in this game. You see the way he was talking toFisher? Liar Smith would not have that.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:05 pm
If the Bucs draft Winston then we will have two turn over machines at QB.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:05 pm
Mariota is going to be a NFL Success. PAC12 QB like Aaron Rodgers and Spread Option QB like Russell Wilson. Get a OC to coach and call plays to Mariota’s strengths
January 1st, 2015 at 9:05 pm
BOTH of these QB’s have talent.
I think Aaron Rodgers versus Ben Rothlesberger. Big Ben has two rings I think Aaron still has time.
Point is MM is smoother, faster, and has a quicker release. Jameis slings the ball. Jameis is physically stronger.
I’ll take Mariota thank you. I believe both players will have decent NFL career barring injury or any off field nonsense by Jameis.
Why wouldn’t we go with the more coachable player, the player who will make the best “face of the franchise”. Do you want a sulking face, an arrogant look, a pout…Jameis has all of those down.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:05 pm
I see most people wanting winston on here. To me mariota looks more comftorable under pressure and better decision making
January 1st, 2015 at 9:06 pm
Trade down!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:06 pm
Winston just won Buccaneers QB tryouts with that play. Expect us to draft him and annoint him day 1 starter
January 1st, 2015 at 9:06 pm
Joe if that’s shining then I can see why you like Winston. Mariotta is going to be awesome on this team .
January 1st, 2015 at 9:07 pm
Start singing Dandy Don.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:07 pm
Dagger.
Winston will get his first loss, Mariota has played better tonight.
If FSU comes back from this……..wow.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:08 pm
FSU finally plays a good team and their season of just misses is catching up to them.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:08 pm
St. Pete, sorry neither of these two come close to an nfl qb. Think Jamarcus Russell, rgiii
January 1st, 2015 at 9:08 pm
Yup both looked a bit nervous in the 1st but now MM is calm and smoothe. JW hasn’t settled in and now he’s throwing picks.
I would have wanted JW at the beginning of the season, but I’m really leaning towards MM now.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:09 pm
The heart I see Winston displaying in this game is tremendous. You’re mocking him for that fumble but I just see him trying so hard to make a play with his back against the wall and a gun to his head…
This is a serious QB prospect playing hard with a lackluster group of receivers.
This is just outcoaching, the FSU defence was not ready.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:09 pm
If this holds we will at least get to see Mariota again.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:09 pm
Seriously… This is the guy (Jw) that people want to QB the Bucs.. A great big huge gigantic NO THANK YOU!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:10 pm
And with the first pick in the 2015 NFL Draft the Tampa Bay Bucs select Marcus Mariotta quarterback from Oregon!!!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:10 pm
I’ll take Mariota.. With an OC that can craft an offense that embraces some of what made him so good in the one we’re watching right now.
Good posts by BucaneerBonzai at 8:07 and Baugh
Winston definitely looks more like he’s running NFL-style play, and looks merely good-to-average in that role. And I just saw him execute a genuinely horrible fumble
I’m more concerned with Lovie not wanting a more innovative OC.. IMO, that plus Winston will equal years of mediocrity.. That plus Mariota woud be a waste, but I’d rather see Mariota’s skills pushing those boundaries
January 1st, 2015 at 9:10 pm
Didn’t like that display from Winston. Over all I think thus far Mariotta has outperformed Winston. Think Mariotta is the obvious choice but I wouldn’t be too upset with either other than the question mark by Winston in behavior. For those of you who think neither warrant a #1 pick then I ask who would you have as our QB? No one truly worth a damn is available and if you think Glennon or McCown will do then I have some excellent property available for you down in the Everglades. I think Hasselbeck may be the only decent short term QB available to hold us over but we would still have to draft a QB and these 2 are the least project type QB’s in the entire draft. What’s the likelihood that we find the next Brady in Rnd 7? Ryan Leaf is better than both of our current QB’s. Bring on the draft!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:11 pm
Let’s see how Winston responds here.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:11 pm
Jameis Winston is uncle Rico 2.0
January 1st, 2015 at 9:12 pm
Winston has to throw and ORE is dropping 8 in coverage just sayin
January 1st, 2015 at 9:12 pm
lurker? lurker? Are you ok? Hold on buddy! I’ll be right back with the number for suicide hotline…
January 1st, 2015 at 9:12 pm
Trade down twice…..draft Petty!!!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:13 pm
Winston is trying to pep talk his offense… but Winston is the one who fumbled!!!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:13 pm
I never planned on this game being a make or break decision maker for me on the two Heismans. But let’s be honest we all knew watching them both on the big stage with all the pressure would provide some insight.
OK BOTH players looked to pumped up the first quarter. MM overthew two and Jameis overthrew one easy completion.
The major difference it seems to me is that MM settled down…did have one bad interception but then came back with two nice TD tosses and he’s clearly great at reading defenses.
Jameis on the other hand does not seem to have settled down and in fact seems to be falling apart. Coaches working with him on the sideline to settle him down. Not Jameis shining hour that’s for sure. But he’ll make somebody at minimum a Cam Newton level QB…perhaps he’ll even get to Rothelesberger status and win an SB.
I just don’t see us taking the gamble.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:13 pm
It’s primarily a Florida fanbase, so not surprising Winston has more fans on JBF. As an objective out of stater I truly believe neither one of these guys look #1 worthy so far in this particular big stage game, but out of the two Mariota looks like a better choice IF the Bucs get an OC that meshes. Both QB’s look to need work to be successful in the NFL
January 1st, 2015 at 9:14 pm
Um…there goes the debate
January 1st, 2015 at 9:14 pm
There he is your next QB
January 1st, 2015 at 9:14 pm
Marriotta runs it in.
He looks good.
They need to sit him now so he doesn’t get hurt.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:14 pm
Hawaiian Steve Young please
January 1st, 2015 at 9:14 pm
I think my mind is made up MM after that run by number 8
January 1st, 2015 at 9:14 pm
Here comes garbage time. Winston will run up big numbers and joe will be saying how great he is.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:14 pm
Oh Noes…now roothog and the others can come back and tell us what a horrid QB Mariota is because he RAN that ball into the end zone.
They’ve been telling us all along that the only think Mariota can do is run it I guess there’s the proof eh?
January 1st, 2015 at 9:14 pm
I think both quarterbacks have played well. The numbers were close until FSU started fumbling, and then pressing because they were trying to come back.
Winston’s numbers would have been better without his receivers dropping a few easy grabs.
Mariota looks good in the spread option,and He’s athletic,but Winston looks more prepared to run a professional offense.
They both deserve to be drafted 1st,and 2nd overall.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:14 pm
will that play work in the nfl?
January 1st, 2015 at 9:15 pm
And you don’t want petty he had one good game don’t get crazy same system as RG3
January 1st, 2015 at 9:15 pm
WE WANT MARIOTA!!!!!!!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:16 pm
Toesontheline, what you said. You nailed it
January 1st, 2015 at 9:16 pm
No more debate. With the #1 pick in the 2015 NFL Draft the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:16 pm
This debate is over. Mariota is the pick. If the Bucs draft ANYONE else, they screwed up in a huge way.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:16 pm
Both these QB’s have skills. That being said, Mariota is the QB I’d chose. He has it all….speed, good arm, intelligence. He will be a dynamic playmaker in the NFL.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:16 pm
Wow…looks like the decision is getting simpler all the time. Thank God we got the number 1 pick.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:17 pm
marcus mariotti to mike evans touchdown bucs win superbowl
January 1st, 2015 at 9:17 pm
Honestly Winston seems like the better pro prospect. But that crap with him and his HC is unnerving to watch.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:17 pm
Do you not think MM has the ability to run an offense like Denver? Or Seattle?
January 1st, 2015 at 9:17 pm
I’m confused. I thought all Jameis did was win?
Any true football fan, as Lovie likes to say, that still wants Winston over Mariota after tonight is nothing but an FSU honk.
I cant wait for tomorrow’s “Rapist Watch”!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:19 pm
How can anyone not want Mariotta. Curbstreet just summed it up. You might find a more accurate passer, you might find a faster guy but no one has both like this guy. Get pumped fans. This is going to be electric for this town. Think of Russell Wilson that’s more accurate and faster. Oh yeah !!! Go Bucs!!!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:19 pm
QBs are always drafted higher than they “should ” be. Nothing we can do about that, it’s the nature of the position and the “win-now” nature of nfl.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:19 pm
1st – Leonard Williams
2nd – Best available OT
3rd – Trade back into the 2nd for Bryce Petty or hope he falls here
Pass rush – O line – QB
Major team needs fixed!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:19 pm
That was pretty bad fumble TD. and now another INT! Licht has a really tough call to make. Mariota!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:20 pm
Winston is getting no help.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:20 pm
Okay, now I’m feeling sorry for Winston, lol. His teammates keep blowing it.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:21 pm
And this is just the on the field business…add the off field maturity(?) issues….seems to be getting clearer.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:21 pm
Turn out the lights,
The party’s over….
January 1st, 2015 at 9:22 pm
Lmao here come the excuses.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:22 pm
How about a double deal here. MM at QB and we sign Frost as our OC.
Let Frost create an offense based on our talent…obviously the dunkaneers..and a mobile QB who can read defenses and make wise decisions.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:22 pm
Glad you guys aren’t making the decisions because from what I see, Winston is the better QB. Pretty easy to shine when your recievers are running wide open. Winston is threading the needle and you guys can’t or won’t see it. Before you say I’m on Winston’s jock, understand that a week ago, I wassolidly in Mariota’s camp.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:23 pm
The debate isn’t over guys. Wintson still played very well and Mariota played good too. FSU Receivers deopped and fumbled tonite
January 1st, 2015 at 9:23 pm
no, mariota cannot run denver’s offense!
what suicide? it’s just a game.
we’ll see who is the better qb. again, either is better than what we have!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:23 pm
I’m thinking people are confusing us drafting Mariota to drafting this explosive Oregon offense playing a confused FSU defense. Winston is playing good while his whole team is crumbling around him.
Mariota is playing good too but he has it so easy in this offense. He will not have it like this in the NFL and certainly not with the Bucs.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:23 pm
We want Marcus…..We want the duck!!! Bring him to Tampa Glaziers!!! Tired of Losing. WE desperately need an OC but we need a Qb and olineman just as bad. I want this guy. We will ball out with him. If the bucs want to sell tickets they need to take this guy. He just looks like a pro…
January 1st, 2015 at 9:24 pm
who said it was fsu’s defense and running game, and not winston, that has led them?
January 1st, 2015 at 9:25 pm
Good old fashion as$ woopin
January 1st, 2015 at 9:26 pm
Joe, please change the watch to Marcus Marriotta daily watch.
Thanks.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:26 pm
i wasn’t impressed with winston vs auburn last year. but he has some mad skills.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:26 pm
I guess we will get a chance to evaluate Super Mario next week against Ohio St. or Alabama. If it’s against Alabama, that will be a serious evaluation. The draft machine is underway
January 1st, 2015 at 9:26 pm
Get ready to watch Bama win against the Buckeyes!
Man I shouldve put money on these games…too easy.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:27 pm
Please. Mariota could actually last behind the Bucs O-line while Winston would crumble. Mariota is a fast learner and quick decision maker.
I’d still take either, but I’d take Mariota first.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:27 pm
“more prepared to run a professional offense.”
That’s so cliche as well as being inaccurate. WTF is a “professional offense” in 2015. It’s not 2005. The rules have changed to dramatically favor offense. Yes we still need a great defense but the days of winning by simply stopping your opponent and trotting out a mediocre offense good at nothing but protecting the ball are over.
Bring in both Frost and Mariota and rock this league. Let’s be the forerunners, the leaders not the followers or the Dungy/Lovieball dinosaurs.
Let’s actually look at 2015 and say…how do we put some freaking points on the board. OFFENSE IS NOT A SIN AND IT’S NOT BORING!!!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:27 pm
Lol jameis never had a prayer, he can’t carry the team, they’ve been carrying him his whole career. He was exposed hard tonight. Might not even go top 5
January 1st, 2015 at 9:28 pm
OC will determine the pick but man MM is balling and I’m not oppose to bringing the Oregon offense to Tampa.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:28 pm
Is this even a debate anymore..joe, it’s time to post daily Mariota threads instead.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:29 pm
Did that host really said “just run the ball and get out of here?”
With 9:58 left on the clock????
January 1st, 2015 at 9:29 pm
I said that lurker
but remember when you’re playing against garbage teams it looks good but then you play a good team and this is the way it looks fsu don’t even deserve to be here there schedule was weak and wisnton hasent done anutjing all year long
January 1st, 2015 at 9:29 pm
Did you not see Winston waist two time outs because he was lost the fumble it was bad the ducks pass D is like 105 or something he didn’t play good
January 1st, 2015 at 9:30 pm
Needs to turn into the “Leonard Williams watch”
January 1st, 2015 at 9:30 pm
Another inaccurate pass. He throws like Mike Glennon on mid to deep balls.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:30 pm
2 consecutive misfires by Lameis
January 1st, 2015 at 9:30 pm
Winston is having a meltdown on the sideline…
January 1st, 2015 at 9:31 pm
Take off your Garnet & Gold colored glasses. MM should be the 1st pick. He puts so much pressure on the defenses.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:32 pm
Winston is kind of Cam Newtonish, whereas Mariota reminds one of a combination Colin Kapernick/ Russell Wilson which isn’t too bad. I’ll let L&L decide and then be able to cheer or boo their choice(es).
January 1st, 2015 at 9:32 pm
You Jameis guys will never let up will you. Ok let’s give him a Heisman and credit for all the wins and even forecast a great NFL career for him.
But be honest! He SUCKED tonight. Yes his receivers dropped some…but he also had all day on many plays..and when he was forced to scramble he panicked and looked like…yes I’ll say it NOLES…that scramble fall down..fumble was pure Josh McCown. I’ve seen that play all season already as a Bucs fan.
What was Jameis excuse for that? His center broke wind right before the play and the odor made Jameis eyes water? This kid can NEVER be held accountable for ANYTHING. That’s where all the frustration/hate is coming from.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:32 pm
Winston seems to be loosing it…off target passes and sideline rants.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:33 pm
I like MM if we go all in with the Chip Kelly offense.
I’m not sure either are Top NFL level – Since lovie won’t run that offense any way – hopefully we get a huge trade offer…
January 1st, 2015 at 9:33 pm
I’m calling Ohio St. over Bama. You heard it here folks. haha
January 1st, 2015 at 9:33 pm
Oh Luther.. No one believes for a second after this game you went from Mariotta to Winston. That’s just silly.. Watching Winston yell at his Headcoach and the coach threatening to bench him is all one needs to see. I predict with all the off field crap Winston got himself into and this game he will stay another year because he may fallout of the top 20 in the draft. He can spend next year trying to improve his image. Mariotta will declare and the Bucs will get someone to be electrified about. Cannot wait.
Listen to your readers Joe.. Time to change your articles to the Mariotta watch..
January 1st, 2015 at 9:33 pm
watching this game was like watching the eagles play. If you can bring in a version of the oregon offense to Tamps than it’s a no-brainer but if you can’t then Winston is the choice.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:33 pm
I was compiling an answer to some Winston comments but I realize these are either trolls or idiots. This game was lost on defense and with the greased up hands of the FSU “receivers”.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:34 pm
Every single one of you are idiots who think mariota is better. That shit will get him wrecked in the nfl . Not one real throw all game. Pure trash by a terrible defense of fsu. Winston played his game. Terrible coaching in the first half and terrible defense the second half. Fsu beat them selves. They gave the game on a silver platter to Oregon.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:34 pm
I am not enamored with Winston, but…
I do like his fire and will to succeed on the field.
He has made some very good throws tonite.
I don’t like the way he tries to force things when they aren’t there. He is NOT Brett Farve.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:34 pm
MM played better tonight, its that simple. FSU had a great defense, better than Oregons. They had 3 – 4 weeks to prepare. Nuff said. Neither is probably truly worth the #1, but my choice is now MM. And I would go #1 cuz we won’t be there at #3. We all know the premium on the position.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:34 pm
Marcus must really suck. He’s out of the game with over 8 minutes remaining!
*snark font off*
January 1st, 2015 at 9:35 pm
Wait a minute, those making excuses for Winston, who by the way threw 17 picks this year. The rest of were told, he’s nfl ready, he’s a winner, he goes through his progression. On the big stage tonigh, he had a Sanchez like fumble, stared down receivers and pouted like Newton until he got it together and held a little team meeting. And let’s not forget the poor clock management. This guy is NOT nfl ready. He should play baseball.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:36 pm
I think a weak schedule made Winston look better than he really is.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:36 pm
I would love to read the po’d comments if Joe changed his theme from Pro Winston to Pro Marriotta. OMG Joe… you would have an ANGRY faction of Buc fans on your hands if you changed your tune to a Marcus Marriotta watch.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:37 pm
He even argued with the coach, who had to threaten to pull him from the game if he didn’t control his behavior.
Yeah, sure we want a guy like that here. NOT!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:37 pm
Backup from Oregon just coughed it up. Guess he isn’t a system QB. haha
January 1st, 2015 at 9:37 pm
@StPeteBucsFan
lol.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:38 pm
Everyone is so glad for a bad game by FSU and will harp on the fumble by Winston like that cost them the game. This is good though, the Bucs should trade back draft L. Williams and pick Winston up later in the 1st round. PLEASE KEEP THE CHATTER GOING
January 1st, 2015 at 9:38 pm
In football, it is not how you start but how you finish…. Marcus Mariota is the 1handling the pressure of this big game and we will get to see him play again in the National title…
Winston’s finish is just sad and embarrassing.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:39 pm
My blood pressure can’t take anymore of these comments. Thanks for an exciting first half FSU and thanks for the fire Winston. I hope to see it in Tampa this year.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:39 pm
And here comes the avalanche of excuses from the Garnet and Gold Goob Crew.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:39 pm
@Gooberville you don’t know me from a can of paint.
My cousin is a huge Winston fan and I am not. I’m just objectively looking at the position. Frankly, I don’t have any skin in this game so an FSU loss would not hurt me. I just want the bet QB. Mariota has not been tasked with having to make the throws that Winston has in this game. Mariota will not have DBs who allow WR running all over the place. In general, they will be covering WR tightly and he’ll have to make the throws that Winston is making every game. I love the change of pace that Mariota can deliver but I want to see the tight throws.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:40 pm
I don’t like how Winston seems to be losing it on and off the field. It’s all about decision making. All the talent in the world doesn’t make up for bad decision making. Lucky Athletic shots won’t make you a success. I would rather take my chances on a guy with room for maturation within the game rather than the need for personal maturation. If you already have a solid mature personal foundation then a good coach can help you take your talents to the next level. Mariota brings all the athletic ability and room for positive improvement to the table, Winston while super talented has too many personality/maturity question marks and this game solidified it for me. Let the off season begin.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:41 pm
We sucked for the duck. Don’t blow it Lovie.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:42 pm
Thanks for the chat folks. Expect to be here Jan. 12 to talk about the championship game.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:42 pm
Do not look at your tv. There is a glitch in the matrix.
Fsu #1 ?
January 1st, 2015 at 9:42 pm
Mariota!!! But I know the bucs are going to mess this one up big time. So sad
January 1st, 2015 at 9:42 pm
For all of you who want Winston….we should be able to trade down and still get him…..
January 1st, 2015 at 9:43 pm
Mariota + Great OC (maybe Foster, makes sense, but will admit I have no college to NFL IQ???), then O-line in the 2nd and 3rd rounds
… I’d be happy with that… Go Bucs!
January 1st, 2015 at 9:44 pm
@ssgmike
Perfectly said. Winston losing it on national tv isn’t going to help his cause. For people saying Oregon’s offense won’t work in the NFL doesn’t watch the NFL at all. First off see the Eagles without a star QB doing just fine. If Kelly got his hands in Mariota that would be sick. We need this kid desperately, he’s a good kid, very smart, big arm and fast.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:45 pm
Saying MM is better than Winston tonight is like saying GMC is not one of the best DT’S because he doesn’t get a sack every game.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:46 pm
What is interesting is how thin-skinned this ball club has become throughout the game. As if their winning was something Jebus had winked back on
January 1st, 2015 at 9:46 pm
We need MM and some of that uptempo stuff
January 1st, 2015 at 9:47 pm
@Lovie Will Start McCown and pick DE
The Bucs won’t pick Lameis.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:48 pm
that boy from Baylor has put up plenty of 500 + yard games in his career, big strong surprisingly mobile, just saying, just saying.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:48 pm
I just love all the experts posting on here that call anyone who disagrees with their viewpoint on a subject as “trolls” or “idiots”…
Says more about you than anyone else.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:49 pm
To all FSU fans. I prefer Mariota but Jameis would be acceptable to me. Having said that I just want to send a congratulations and Happy New Year to all Nole fans!
I’m being serious not snarky. This loss is tough but look at what you guys accomplished!!! What a freaking win streak! A National Title. A winning coach.
Your program is on top of the world right now. Slam a few adult beverages and get over this game.
Last count…FSU already has five 5star recruits committed for next year. Analysts are saying FSU’s recruiting class will not simply be the best in the nation but could very well be the best class ever!!!
Tough loss but better than losing a close game on a bad call
Congrats and Happy New Years Nole fans. You won’t be rebuilding next year just reloading. I’d certainly make a bet right now that you guys will be in the final four again next year.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Really. Tom Brady seems to lose it sometime as usual
January 1st, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Good night all and savor this FSU loss it should help you sleep well tonight.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:50 pm
I just know Herbstreit has bust one on his leg over Mariota
January 1st, 2015 at 9:50 pm
Winston was Winston…on the field and on the sidelines. The question is, is that what you…or better said…is that what Lovie would prefer over MM?
January 1st, 2015 at 9:50 pm
@ Luther I will agree that I would like to see MM make more anticipation throws and throws into tight coverage. We need a QB that can throw a damn back shoulder pass to our huge WRs on the outside.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:51 pm
F U newbuc. I hope u step on a Lego
January 1st, 2015 at 9:51 pm
@BuccoDav, I hear ya man, it happens everyday..
January 1st, 2015 at 9:52 pm
Marriotta gives GREAT interviews.
Winston can’t speak English.
Case closed. Draft Marriotta.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:53 pm
goodnight?
can’t we watch bama and the ohio state’s qbs?
January 1st, 2015 at 9:55 pm
Here was the question/ statement that started this all off tonight … Did Winston Shine??
January 1st, 2015 at 9:55 pm
LOL at DB55.
Step on a lego… well stepping on a match box car is much worse than stepping on a lego, I can assure you this from experience.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:56 pm
Lots of Mensa members in college football that don’t make it to Sunday. I base my opinions on the field of play. Winston has everything you want from your QB. Insults just make your opinions sound like petty attacks not sound reasoning.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:56 pm
If it is between these two quarterbacks, then we should think about where our weaknesses exist and ask this question:
“Who handles pressure better?”
You can’t watch this game and say Winston is better than Mariota under pressure.
We are a rebuilding team with what at best will be an average offensive line. In the worst case scenario, it may be like this year and be a horrible offensive line.
I’ll take the Tarkenton/Young type of quarterback over the Roethlisberger model. Mariota is a cool customer under heat. It showed tonight.
January 1st, 2015 at 9:56 pm
Jimbo simply got out coached . Tried to many things the first half in critical situations that cost them easily 21 points. The second half we just gave the game away with turn overs and careless ball handling. Bottom line is Fisher and cook lost this game along with a soft defense that deserves a better coordinator than Kelly. He’s also trash as well. Hope he is canned and we go back to hitting the qb bc the contain philosophy has hurt us all yr
January 1st, 2015 at 10:13 pm
With the first pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Marcus Mariota, Quarterback, Oregon
January 1st, 2015 at 10:18 pm
with the first pick in the 2016 nfl draft, the tampa bay buccaneers select…
because they drafted marcus mariota…lmao
January 1st, 2015 at 10:18 pm
not even close….MM is the man this team needs…
January 1st, 2015 at 10:21 pm
As I read one fan blaming Jimbo and other’s blaming drops by receivers..anything but the play of Jameis of course….here is something for all of us to consider.
Maybe we’re just watching the future triumph over the past. It’s a new day and the old “pro style” offenses may just be as relevant as running a wing T formation. It’s not gone that far but it was clear tonight that the Oregon style overwhelmed the Nole’s traditional or accepted pro style.
When Oregon held the Noles out of the end zone early despite that horrible offsides penalty giving the Noles a second chance, I felt like FSU was in trouble.
I believe that the Noles felt they could lineup and simply out smash mouth the Ducks. The Ducks proved tonight that they could keep up with a physical team like FSU.
Once the intimidation factor was negated there is no doubt Oregon’s take no prisoners, balls to the wall offense was superior to FSU’s “pro style:” attack.
Both these teams have great athletes and great budgets and great coached and great fans…there’s not a lot of difference between them.
But tonight it looked like night and day and I would posit the “styles” of the team had as much or more to do with it than coaching, qb’s or turnovers.
One team looked organized and prepared the other looked confused.
January 1st, 2015 at 10:24 pm
@Lurker
I am impressed by Mariota, he has made some good reads under pressure, I’d rather have Mariota because he doesn’t make stupid decisions off the field and argues with his coach, unlike a certain quarterback who wears no.5, Mariota will have the weapons at receiver and tight end, all he needs is an O-Line,
January 1st, 2015 at 10:30 pm
Watching Winston gives me flashbacks another #5. Josh Freeman. As a Buc fan, I don’t ever want to see that again.
I like Mariota and have watched him every game I can. I would be glad if he was picked. But what is most important to me as a fan is to not see Winston in a Buc uniform.
January 1st, 2015 at 10:33 pm
Mariota – all the way.
January 1st, 2015 at 10:38 pm
Mariota & Trestman or Koettner 4 OC combo would be good.
January 1st, 2015 at 10:40 pm
Mariota would be better choice for Bucs. Winston would be overwhelmed behind current OL where Mariota could scramble and make plays while OL develops and improves. He’s the better overall athlete and decision maker which is what the Bucs need. Anyone suggesting Winston are not realistically looking at the Bucs team that would be around him. Winston will do better on a team that can protect the pocket better. The Bucs need a muti-dimensional QB to keep defenses off balance while they strengthen and solidify their line. If the Bucs decide to draft one of these 2 QBs, Mariota would be the smartest choice.
January 1st, 2015 at 10:50 pm
The MARIOTA Watch needs to begin
January 1st, 2015 at 11:00 pm
Umm….you Jameis apologists are LAUGHABLE.
Poor decision making on the field (18 interceptions).
Most pro ready QB? Really? He struggled against a college defense that according to you FSU fans “sucks”. If he can’t pick apart Oregon, how can he pick apart a pro defense…especially when he holds the ball for 5 seconds at a time.
Arguing with his coach?!!! Jameis is an emotional midget. Pull yourself together, ya f$cking baby!
And I’m not even bringing up the off-field stuff.
Whatever…
If you stoopid mother/f&ckers can’t recognize Mariota’s superior talent and character, the you Bucs fans DO NOT DESERVE HIM.
And you can all burn in hell.
January 1st, 2015 at 11:14 pm
mariota just this season! 4,121 Pass yds, 40 TD
• 731 Rush yds, 15 TD
• Rec TD
• Heisman
• Berth in title game
January 1st, 2015 at 11:30 pm
I cant believe that anyone who watched that game could not come away impressed with Mariota . Only haters could say they like Winston better. Mariota is a larger version of Russell Wilson, in my book thats pretty darn good. So if you want a franchise QB for the bucs ,grow a pair, take a chance draft him and dont look back!!!!!
January 1st, 2015 at 11:34 pm
off the meds again, bob?
baby steps, remember?
January 2nd, 2015 at 12:45 am
Winston looked like Josh Freeman on that delay of game.
January 2nd, 2015 at 2:02 am
I think JoE is in love with Winston, and is not being objective
January 2nd, 2015 at 2:17 am
Mariota won the contest for the number one pick.
Winston had all day to throw and didn’t get it done. He also, rightly or wrongly got into an argument with his coach. Can’t have that it effects the team.
Mariota was under pressure a lot and completed the pass, threw it away or ran.
January 2nd, 2015 at 4:17 am
My favorite post “not one real NFL throw all game.”
Bwahahaha can you say D E N I A L?
January 2nd, 2015 at 9:03 am
Put the character issues aside, after seeing Mariota play for the first time in yesterday’s Rose Bowl, I’m all in with the Bucs taking the man.
Sure there are deficiencies in his game that will need fixing for the NFL, but overall he grades out much higher than Jameis Winston, in my mind.
While I’m not sure whether he can make “all the throws” or not, as we didn’t get to see him try them all, he seems to have all the rest and he has a much higher “escapability” score than Winston, in my mind.
And, that escapability makes the choice a no contest given what Lovie Smith did to the offensive line. That’s going to take a few drafts to fix. Mariota is there now. And, don’t even talk about free agency we all saw how that worked out this year. There’s a reason free agents are on the market and it’s usually not because they’re the next HOFer.
January 2nd, 2015 at 9:17 am
StPeteBucsFan – Oregon’s style has only limited applicability in the NFL. Look at Chip Kelly the inventor. He is only able to install certain elements of the style at Philadelphia.
Whenever someone says “This or that offense will work great in the NFL,” I have to remind myself of three things:
1. Out of how many college players there are in the nation the NFL whittles the number down to the best 1500 football players in the world. So, you’re facing an All-American ++ every week not a team with half-a-dozen All Americans and a bunch of guys who are good but will pick up their degrees and go home.
2. If that panacea of an offense requires the QB to put himself at risk, by running, it’s a no-no. First, you’re paying an NFL qb millions and you don’t put “Secretariat” at physical risk. Hell, there aren’t enough “franchise quarterbacks” around for every NFL team to own one much less one and a spare. Second, any NFL coach who installs a system that “risks” the QB won’t last long if that QB gets injured because of the system. Would you risk your job? risk.
3. There is a reason there are college DCs and pro DCs. With the athletes available to them, remember the pick of the collegiate litter, Dick Lebeau or one of the other great would figure out how to stop it on a weekly basis. It usually takes a year until they have enough film, a season’s worth, and time, an off season, but they’ll figure out how to stop it.
January 2nd, 2015 at 10:36 am
I don’t have television down here in the Dominican Republic. I have the NFL Game Pass to watch the Bucs.
I have not watched a college game all year, but found a pizza place close by with ESPN. So I watched the Rose Bowl never having seen Winston or Matiota play.
Based on one game, my impressions:
1) Winston has a cannon for an arm. Mariota, not as strong.
2) Winston is a large human. He reminds me physically of Josh Freeman, Jamarcus Russell or Dante Culpepper. He’s a big TE with a big arm playing QB.
3) Mariota is a serious athlete with excellent quicks & wheels.
4) Mariota looks slick & refined on the field, always in control. Winston looks like he tries too hard when the chips are down.
5) Mariota looks cool all the time. Winston, when the game wasn’t going his way, looked like he was about to lose his cool badly; maybe he did.
6) I read that Mariota was like Kaepernick, but smarter and a better arm. I can buy that. He seems more like a tall, quicker Russell Wilson. Kaepernick gets rattled, Wilson not so much.
7) Winston—and I went into the game *wanting* him to shine—reminds me of Josh Freeman a LOT.
The pick comes down to what OC Lovie picks, and what that new OC plans to bring to the Bucs. Pure “regular” NFL offense? Maybe Winston. Any innovative offense where the QB is a running threat or needs great fakes/ball handling skills? Mariota.
And I, for one, hope for an innovative OC, and I’d like to see Matt Hasselback come in for a year to tutor a Marcus Mariota. I see a lot of similaarities between them.
I’d be happy with: a.) Mariota, b.) trade down for picks & maybe a shot at Winston.
I wouldn’t jump off the Skyway of the Bucs drafteed Winston #1, but I’d prefer other options.
I think Winston needs to grow up. He’s a great talent, but he’s not become a man yet. I’m sorry, but his off-field behavior is a reflection of his maturity, self-awareness, learning ability and maturity. The NFL is no place for an immature man-boy at QB. Go ask Cleveland how well that’s worked out.
January 2nd, 2015 at 11:35 am
I have been brutally studying both QBs film as of late and watched the full game between the two last night without bias since I like both. Honestly I saw some great quarterback play from both sides. Mariota avoided some sacks and made some great throws and Winston made some fantastic throws all game long. Before their team imploded I felt like FSU got some real unlucky breaks, (When the tightend got the no call from the ref in the N-Zone) but I thought Winston was great on that play. I thought he purposely threw that way noticing that there should have been a call and threw to get the Refs attention. But didn’t. After the implosion I was extremely impressed with how Winston was handling himself in his first loss. The passion he showed for the game and his competitiveness. Completely hosed anything I’ve heard about his work ethic, laziness, ect being questioned. He showed great leadership and that is important for me. I feel like Winston would be great for the Bucs. And would immediately give them a good shot of helping them win the Division next year. As long as the bucs improve their O line.
Mariota is a bit of a long shot to me. He made some great plays, and he executed the game perfectly. He showed signs of very high IQ. Though personally I am not sure if that was a product of Mariota’s dominance or just fantastic play calling by Scott Frost. The main thing that didn’t impress me about Mariota’s game was that it simply looked way too easy. And if there is 1 thing Bucs fans are NOT used to it’s things looking easy. Mariota is a long shot for me because if we get Mariota we have to completely change our offense. We will need a combination of the Eagles and Seahawks offense. Which is possible but not simple and it will take a little time for the team to get used to it (Like our defense took time to get better this year).
Another concern that I thought about is the future. In a perfect world let’s say that both QBs work out in the NFL. Mariota’s style of play will start to decline around the age of 30 when he begins to slow down. While Winston’s style is more like Brady, Big Ben, Rodgers, Brees, ect. All of those QBs have played their best ball after 30.
As of right now I am for Winston. but this is certainly exciting and I will definitely by watching Mariota’s final game too
January 2nd, 2015 at 12:04 pm
Well MM looks like Tebow Part 2, except he turtled up on every run that did not reach the end zone.
Same old Spread offense, same old NFL results, NONE of them have yet to make an impact. Look at the Top 10 NFL passers this year and EVERY ONE of them played in a PRO-STYLE offense in college. Did not see a thing that leads me to believe he can play in the League. All this BS about stats, his stats are comparable to TEBOW who threw very few picks at Florida, obviously is a spread QB and had the same no-brainer reads “see it and throw it”. NO WOW factor at all, did not see a guy gunning it to the hash, no throws into tight windows, if they take the guy he will need seasons of grooming to be average. No thanks…..too bad there are no real QB options.
January 2nd, 2015 at 1:22 pm
MM is Tebow 2? What?????
Tebow was a FB/TE surrponded by immense talent who could occasionally throw. MM has serious QB skilz…
Wes said “Brady, Big Ben, Rodgers, Brees, ect.”…with the exception of Rothlesberger, all those…and the vast majority of great QB’s in the NFL including Wilson, Ryan, the Mannings, etc….have one ingredient when they first entered the league that is totally lacking in Winston: maturity.
People forget that Brees used to be a scrambler…
January 2nd, 2015 at 2:04 pm
Everyone is so quick to point out maturity but I am specifically talking about football skill right now. If Winston is 30 years old and jumping on table and shouting dumb things then that’s an issue. but as a 20 year old college student I don’t care. We’ve all been young and dumb before. Now the rape stuff is a different story
January 2nd, 2015 at 2:54 pm
Mariota won the battle but lost the war. Winston made NFL throws, put the ball in places he had to put it and other than a few foibles in the pocket, looked like the better pro prospect. Mariota looked a lot like Colin Kaepernick. Physically more than capable, but he missed some wide open throws (and his guys were wide open most of the time) and really didn’t do a lot to distinguish himself as a franchise QB. He will take a while to develop in the NFL. Winston is ready now… that is if he is mentally and emotionally prepared.