Mark Dominik: Bucs Must Draft A QB
January 15th, 2015
The chorus of people who believe the Bucs have a clear decision with the No. 1 overall pick added another singer last night. And it just so happens to be a man who used to run the football operations of the Bucs.
That man would be former rock star general manager Mark Dominik.
Last night, co-hosting “Late Hits” with Alex Marvez, heard exclusively on SiriusXM NFL Radio, a Bucs fan called in to discuss the draft — after he told Dominik how much he missed him in the front office.
Dominik said in his eyes the choice is clear. The Bucs must select a quarterback.
Caller: Every team in the NFC South has a quarterback but [the Bucs]. Is that all [the Bucs] need to be competitive in the NFC South year in and year out?
Mark Dominik: Absolutely. This one is pretty easy. I don’t see any way what people can offer [the Bucs to move up] — some people talked about Chip Kelly wanted to trade up to get Marcus Mariota. Mariota is not coming out of the first or second spot. Both those two teams, Tampa Bay and Tennessee, will be taking a quarterback one and two when it is all said and done. I feel very strongly about that.
Look, they both have to have a quarterback. I know [Zach] Mettenberger showed a little bit of flash last year but you don’t want to be picking very high that often in the draft. And the reason why you are picking there is your quarterback didn’t play well or you don’t have one. That is usually the situation, or in the rare case you are Bill Polian and your quarterback got hurt hurt and you were in the playoffs 11 years in a row, and now you have the first [overall] pick. And suddenly Andrew Luck is there which worked out very good for the Colts and the Colts factory. So that being said, when you are Tampa Bay, it is very hard for me to say they are not [drafting a quarterback] and they aren’t going to sit still.
I don’t care if you are offered three first round picks. You take a quarterback because it gives you hope and it gives you potential and it gives you a chance to compete in the NFC South and in the NFC, if you get the pick right. Now they have to do their homework. Mariota is right now the safer of the two picks, so to speak. He’s very clean in terms of off the field and what he has done: leadership, he has good arm strength. There are some accuracy things you want to continue to watch and grow with him, but all in all, very clean. Now, Winston I think has a ton of talent. And I think — though you have about 3 1/2 months to get ready for the draft, you have 2 1/2 months to sort out Jameis Winston and what he is and where he is growing into as a leader and maturity, because he has a ton of potential talent, too. I think when it is all pulled away and the onions open, you are going to have two very excited teams to take those two quarterbacks. I think you stand pat and you take [a quarterback] because it gives you a chance in both divisions, where you can compete in your division not just one year, but constantly compete.
What more can Joe add?
The only difference in the two, Dominik said of the Bucs and Titans, is that once the Bucs get a quarterback, then they can build their offensive line. The Titans, he said, already have a solid young offensive line.
Bravo, Mark Dominik. Bravo.
If the Bucs do not pull the trigger on a quarterback with the first overall pick, Joe honestly doesn’t know how or why fans would ever shell out another nickel to follow this team. The Bucs would have such rank disregard for winning.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:03 am
We already have THe QB of The Future ….he drafted !
January 15th, 2015 at 9:12 am
Who the hell cares what mark Dominic thinks as a losing gm on the field in the draft and his free agent signings he’s a bum. He doesn’t even have the right to discuss the mariotta accuracy issues because he drafted josh Freeman
January 15th, 2015 at 9:14 am
He’s right. Post the hatred about him because you can’t think of anything better….but he’s right. Freeman ruined himself, that kid had talent. Freeman owns most franchise records. He wasn’t terrible like ponder or Quinn. I still blame Raheem for that one he coached him in college and should have seen some signs? Anyway, take a QB. Give me hope.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:14 am
Yes he drafted mike Glennon and he’s saying the pick has to be a quarterback meaning Glennon is another wasted pick of mark Dominic…. Lovie and licht are light years ahead compared to this guy that’s how awful a gm he was
January 15th, 2015 at 9:15 am
Glennon is not the answer -_-
Had 2 chances, choked them both away
He sucks. Period.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:15 am
Never say never Joe….
January 15th, 2015 at 9:16 am
Its more than just drafting a QB very high in the draft. The QB has to outwork everyone, has to set the example for work ethic. And must be smart enough to dissect and adjust in today NFL.
I know Joe knows this, but sometimes it sounds like he is one of the “draft a QB at all cost” then we will see if he is any good.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:17 am
You HAVE to take the chance. Personally, I prefer Jameis, but would salute the Bucs for taking Mariotta.
In this day and age, you can afford to select and miss. It no longer sets you back 5 years or costs you 50 million like Bradford did. If you fail, try again in two years.
This is not optimal, of course, but a franchise can survive a top pick that didn’t work out. And be prepared, something like 90% of the Heismen winners (and that includes both of these top two prospects) have bombed.
But you’ve got to take a chance. GO FOR IT!!!!!
January 15th, 2015 at 9:18 am
Anyone else notice hoe Joe completely wife on reporting Mariota declaring for the draft. The campaign for Winston continues.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:19 am
We know that Dom could do next to nothing with the last three first rounders he drafted, among multitudes of other picks…Yeah, that Barron…he sure outfoxed Carolina, didn’t he? He had to be one of the worst GM’s for drafting personnel in the NFL…did better with picking players like Penn and Bennett from other places than he did with first round picks.
But Licht seemed to do pretty good with his first one.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:19 am
how joe not hoe joe -sorry joe
January 15th, 2015 at 9:19 am
When it’s all said and done the pick will be Winston…baggage and all.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:21 am
@mark2001
Dominick was not the GM when Penn was signed, Bruce Allen was.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:28 am
Lmbo people keep bringing up Glennon.
What a joke-
January 15th, 2015 at 9:32 am
Spot on analysis.. good read.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:34 am
So our former GM likes Mariota? This is the same guy who gave Michael Clayton a second contract.
I think it’s fairly evident that Mariota is now going to be a bust. Mark likes him, that pretty much sealed his fate.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:36 am
Excellent. Sounds like Dominik prefers Mariota as “the safer pick”. Makes my belief that the Bucs will take Winston (barring any skeletons) feels much more secure.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:37 am
Talib….Freeman…Barron…Dexter Jackson…Roy Miller…Bryan Price….and the beat goes on…
January 15th, 2015 at 9:37 am
I believe that Glennon will be the starting QB no matter who we draft, Winston or Mariota, for a while. If Koetter can work his magic, Glennon will do well until the new QB is ready. He will get a serviceable OL.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:38 am
The pick will be Winston.
The speculation can end.
Unless Mariota goes to Chip Kelly, he’s not going to be successful right away – if ever.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:42 am
Sure glad Dom is not making this pick for us. I’m still not over how bad he messed up in 2012 by not drafting Luke Kuechly. I and everyone I know were screaming for Kuechly when the Bucs were on the clock… “And with the 7th pick in the 2012 draft – The Tampa bay Buccaneers select……….. Alabama Safety Mark Barron…”
WTF???????? What type of IDIOT drafts a safety with the #7 overall pick? Especially with an obvious stud of a franchise MLB like Kuechly on the board??
The unemployed GM kind of idiot apparently.
Thanks Dom!!
January 15th, 2015 at 9:44 am
Three cheers for mark Dominik!
Totally cannot fathom how folks can actually still even remotely contemplate that Mike Glennon is the answer.
If they take a QB no way will Glennon stay on the roster. McCown will be the starter until the new QB is ready.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:46 am
“Mariota the safer pick”… I too am even more confident in Winston now that Dom the doofus endorsed Mariota. This from the buffoon that drafted Josh the crackhead and apparently they did VERY LITTLE research into his past because there were some warning signs and he even traded up to get that big excuse making loser but hey, the drunk dog LOVED him, Rah rah and Dom! Dom will pin Freeman on Rah and Glennon on Greg though, knowing him and his excuses and then hide in the corner, mr “I DRAFT leaders”…yeah, sure you did.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:46 am
byron leftwhich, sargean winslow, derrel revis, ware, gholdsen, the other giants running back….
January 15th, 2015 at 9:48 am
I kinda understood not taking Kuechly, I think the line of thinking was they’d just drafted Mason Foster and planned on him being the MLB, I figured Mo Claiborne would be the pick (he’s been nowhere near what was expected of him either). A fail all around.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:48 am
If some other team calls up Jason Licht and says, “Hey, we will give you our first and second round picks for the next three years for this years #1 overall….”, that would be very difficult to turn down. Combine those picks with the ones the Bucs already have coming, and now you’re talking about 11 players from rounds 1 and 2 over the next 3 years!…..talk about stocking up some talent! But, anything short of that and I would probably keep the pick and go QB…..but you never know who is desperate enough to want that pick for themselves, and might be willing to sell the farm to get it?
January 15th, 2015 at 9:48 am
^ @ Buddahboy- Derrick Ward!! Even Raheem called him fat and lazy!
January 15th, 2015 at 9:53 am
dominick would have been the UNDISPUTED worst GM in NFL history, if Washington had not out guaranteed money for fat Albert Haynesworth.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:56 am
Dom was a great cap guy and community liaison. He sucked at drafting but guess what folks Lovie is ten times worse than Dominick evaluating talent just look at his bears draft and free agency and fact he missed horribly on his free agents this year.
Glennon is a loser… you are what your record says you are.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:57 am
yeah, Derrick Ward. What a lowse
January 15th, 2015 at 9:59 am
louse – a contemptual, parasitic person.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:59 am
For all you trade down folks just remember who is in charge of making those picks (Lovie) and how.much long term damage he will do missing on those extra picks.
January 15th, 2015 at 10:00 am
I’d like to think that Licht has more control over the draft than Lovie
January 15th, 2015 at 10:00 am
The man was a terrible GM, but as a commentator he’s not bad. Doesn’t sound like he endorsed Mariota over Winston – unless I’m missing something.
January 15th, 2015 at 10:01 am
You guys bringing up Glennon to bash him crack me up. Did the kid piss in your cheerios or something?
January 15th, 2015 at 10:01 am
“Rock Star”
January 15th, 2015 at 10:03 am
Yah. Let’s get off the mike glennon future of bucs talk. That boy good. Hhhmmmhhhh good and terrible. Hopefully they could get A 5th round pick for him as the current coaches have de Freeman’d him. Gotta go qb. Hope they pick the right guy. Why trade back. The defensive ends that are top 5 or so do not fit bucs system and top offensive tackle is around 15 or so Go QB and let koetter work his magic
January 15th, 2015 at 10:03 am
@ Louis Friend I was thinking that too, lol. It must be the drunk dog posting under a bunch of different aliases.
January 15th, 2015 at 10:11 am
I think we need to draft a QB….and I will be happy with the choice moving forward.
I think Glennon will be traded.
I also think only a fool would draft a QB no matter what…..we would have to see what the trade offer was before making that decision…..
If we keep beating these two guys up from now to the draft it will be hard for the fans of the one we don’t pick to adjust.
January 15th, 2015 at 10:11 am
The Glennon hate is because it’s mostly former Freemanites who can’t accept Schiano was right about the drug addict sucking and Glennon being better. I just wish he went with Glennon to start last year because things would be different now.
Ironically the argument they ALWAYS used for Freeman, that he “gave the team the lead” in the 4th quarter somehow doesn’t apply to Glennon….who had the Bucs in the lead in the 4th quarter in 4 of his 5 starts last year (nevermind that the excuses were for Freeman in his 5th year versus Glennon in his 2nd). But why apply consistent logic when you can be irrational?
January 15th, 2015 at 10:14 am
@bucrightoff
Guess my point is that the ship has sailed. He’s not starting another game here, but I’ll root for him wherever he goes. I think he’s capable of being a competent NFL player. But only if the stars are aligned for him to land in a good situation. This isn’t it, and that’s why he’s going to be sent packing eventually.
He’s done, so what’s the point of continuing the bashing?
January 15th, 2015 at 10:15 am
Darn realist…I was just trying to give Rocky all the credit I could think of.
January 15th, 2015 at 10:17 am
It is impossible to pass judgement on Glennon at this stage…17 starts with no prior NFL expirence…unreasonable expectations….certainly worth keeping @ his rookie contract over trading for a late round draft pick as many are suggesting….I have no idea how his career will play out just not ready to dump him
January 15th, 2015 at 10:18 am
@ bucrightoff YOU TELL EM!!! That’s my kinda post, hitting em hard with the FACTS like a COLD, HARSH blast of fresh wind RIGHT IN DA KISSAH!
January 15th, 2015 at 10:25 am
So by its analysis the Bucs do not have a young solid line. Go figure.. Thanks for drafting and developing all this high quality OL rockstar!
January 15th, 2015 at 10:26 am
Thats great for him to sit back and say that but the only quarterback he pulled the trigger on was Josh Freeman pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft. That is al of the air going out of the rockstar balloon. What a collosal blunder that was and we are still paying for it.
January 15th, 2015 at 10:33 am
Jesus stop it with the Glennon talk. He is nothing more than a back up and he is definitely going to be traded. He pissed Lovie off when he went on the radio on a Tuesday and announced his demotion. I am certain that infuriated Lovie to no end, and Glennon seemed to checkout once that happened. I found it ridiculous that both Glennon and his brother were pissed off when he got benched. The guy just loses. He isn’t athletic and his nickname “the cannon” is a joke when you saw him misfire every time he threw it deep. McCown will be the guy here to groom the rookie QB. If they don’t take a QB with that first pick I will not spend a dime on tickets this year. If Glennon is starting next year Rayjay will be empty.
January 15th, 2015 at 10:35 am
Fact: Both Mariota and Winston are the top QBs in this draft class.
Fact: Both Mariota and Winston have Red Flags (Winston’s are off the charts).
Fact: Both Mariota and Winston are not legitimate franchise QBs.
You as a GM are willing to gamble the Franchise’s (Bucs) future on 2 guys who, odds are, going to be a bust as far as a Franchise QB is concerned?
You are willing to put your job on the line for Mariota and/or Winston?
Considering everything, these guys just don’t grade out as franchise QBs.
Licht and Smith have an obligation to the Glazers not to set them back 6 years (Freeman).
I don’t see them putting their necks in the noose for Mariota/Winston.
IMO
January 15th, 2015 at 10:37 am
Yes, the pick has to be QB. But which one??? As mentioned a million times, they both have some detractors. Winston brings the risk of behavioral issues as well as slow starts in games. He will not be able to play so poorly in the 1st half in the NFL and then come back to win like he did at FSU which could mean people who are begging for Winston will be calling for his head. He also needs work on his mechanics which such as throwing motion and footwork. The Bucs at least based on recent history do not start fast as it is, so maybe he would fit right in? As far as Mariota goes, I cannot get a good read on him. In my opinion, he is a safe pick as far as his character is concerned and he seemed to not let adversity affect him on the field. He kept his composure much better than Winston. Does that mean he just does not care so adversity does not bother him or does he just handle pressure better? Also, the same concerns echoed, can he transform his game to the NFL and make the right reads, make all the throws and learn an NFL playbook? Only time will tell and both of the young men will be analyzed to every level this offseason. It is nice that the Bucs have the 1st pick, so they can after due diligence select the best prospect. If they mess up then they can only blame themselves and not use the excuse that the guy they wanted was taken 1st by the Titans.
January 15th, 2015 at 10:40 am
@Barry
The Bucs will pick one of them whether they are or aren’t franchise QB’s. They’re better than what they’ve got, and the concept of franchise QB’s has been burned out. How often is there a true ‘Franchise QB’ out there? Aside from Andrew Luck, can you name any from the last 5 years? You think Cam Newton is a true franchise QB?
They still need a guy capable of being good on the field, don’t they? The leftovers out there in free agency won’t cut it, and lower round draft picks are mostly doomed. So the Bucs hand is forced, regardless of how poorly you rate them.
Both of those guys are miles ahead of the other options the Bucs have. Period.
January 15th, 2015 at 10:41 am
The “I’m not buying tickets” if the Bucs don’t do XYZ crowd are hilarious. No, you’re not buying tickets if the team is awful, period. If they draft Leonard Williams, keep Glennon and go 10-6 next year, you’ll be in the stands in a heartbeat. It’s a remarkably empty threat, especially when the Bucs don’t need the ticket revenue anyways.
January 15th, 2015 at 10:43 am
The Bucs have the luxury of the first pick and the curse of the first pick….at least if they chose second…..they would have not had to choose between two qbs who have totally different questions….
January 15th, 2015 at 10:44 am
If Glennon isn’t gonna be here (which is likely), why does it have to be Mccown being “the caretaker”, starting as a “bridge”, making $5million? He’s not helped “groom” any great QBs. Nothing personal, great guy…and who cares if Glennon ticked Lovie off? Lovie handing Mccown all that $$$ to be that bad ticked me off and I know I’m not alone in that. Sign Matt Moore if you want a veteran to start but I’d prefer they just draft Winston and start him from day 1, then go ahead and stick with Mccown as the backup.
January 15th, 2015 at 10:52 am
Ha, if Glennon pissed Lovie off by announcing his benching on the radio, I like him a little more. That’d be sad if Lovie is that sensitive…it’s not like Glennon leaked his medical information to force a release.
January 15th, 2015 at 10:52 am
@AK
You’d turn over the offense to a guy who’s thrown 29 passes in the last 3 years? That’s pretty much a hail mary hoping he’s still got the fire to be a leader isn’t it?
January 15th, 2015 at 11:00 am
Lovie picked Evans last year.
Outstanding selection.
Jury is still out on the other picks, but they showed promise.
I love the Winston/Evans combo. Two guys with a whole lotta fire in their bellies.
Imagine what Evans can do with a legit QB?
January 15th, 2015 at 11:00 am
Louis, his name was the first to come to mind cause I’ve talked to some Fins fans who said Tannehill has benefited a lot from his tutelage.
January 15th, 2015 at 11:06 am
Thanks for the article Joe, Dom’s endorsement of drafting a QB makes me feel even more secure that the right move is to trade down and draft DL or OL this year while stockpiling the future #1 picks to fuel a trade to move up next year and get Christian Hackenberg for the franchise QB so many are pining for. This year should be about getting a solid Oline in place to protect a QB as well as getting a ferocious pass rush that Lovie supposedly claims can win 10 games
January 15th, 2015 at 11:21 am
@Louis Friend
But only if the stars are aligned for him to land in a good situation.
True dat! It’s one reason why so many Heisman and top pick QB’s have failed.
By definition they are going to a bad team.
I was really worried about this QB selection until the Bucs got Koetter. He has plenty of experience and cred and now we’re not at the mercy of Lovie who has NO cred when it comes to offense and especially QB’s.
@Bucrightoff
If they draft Leonard Williams, keep Glennon and go 10-6 next year, you’ll be in the stands in a heartbeat. It’s a remarkably empty threat, especially when the Bucs don’t need the ticket revenue anyways.
Amen! I had to choke down jerky Warren Sapp for all those years. I can no longer watch the NFL Net when he is on. But as long as he was busting Favre in the chops I held my nose and cheered on.
The same will be true for ANY combo of players the Bucs have if they WIN!
January 15th, 2015 at 11:24 am
Yeah but bucs fans HATE winning seasons and division titles.
Causes them to tell ownership that the team is not headed in the right direction and the super bowl winning coach get jettisoned.
January 15th, 2015 at 11:25 am
So Pres. Obama and former Buccaneers GM Mark Dominik both think Marcus Mariota it is worthy of the number one pick for the Tampa Bay Bucs.
If anything has basically just guaranteed that he will be a total bust, end up a crack addict, and then spit out the bottom of the porn industry it’s those two endorsements right there.
January 15th, 2015 at 11:28 am
That’s some Bull…. Only an idiot would turn down 3 1st round picks to trade down for that #1 pick!! Dominik a rock star GM?? Sure, he was a cap genius and probably set a new standard of structuring contracts to protect teams long term, but I hope you don’t think he’s a great judge of talent!?
This is the same guy who hired Greg Schiano for crying out loud!!! Oh, and to those of you that still think that Greg Schiano is a great football coach, please find yourself a mirror and look deep into your soul and then B!TCHSLAP the SH!T out of yourself for being so stupid. Not to mention the fact that this roster still has A LOT of holes and it is a result of YEARS of bad drafting..
Thanks again Mark Dominik….. Don’t worry, Lovie and Licht will fix all the issues that you created….
January 15th, 2015 at 11:31 am
Lol Bucrightoff! There is no chance in hell this team would go 10-6 with Glennon! Taking Winston with that first pick would give everyone hope which is something that we don’t have currently. I still laugh at the comments saying a coach/GM is putting his career on the line taking a QB in the first round. Check the unemployment line and you will see more GMs/coaches that lost their jobs because they didn’t have a good QB. L&L will be gone quickly if they keep trotting back ups out there. There are four teams remaining in the playoffs. 3 of them have QBs that are top 5 QBs and will probably all end up in the hall of fame one day. The weakest of the four, Russell Wilson is a very efficient QB who is athletic and a great leader. Winston May or may not turn out to be great but the chance that he could be is all you need to know.
January 15th, 2015 at 11:45 am
Kiper has Winston going number one overall.
“The bottom line is Winston is the most advanced on-field quarterback in the draft”
Here’s where everyone bashes Mel. Which is fair. Just a talking point…
January 15th, 2015 at 11:49 am
Bucfan4life
“There is no chance in hell this team would go 10-6 with Glennon!”
This team should have been 6-10 last year if they hadn’t choked like big dogs.
This is easily the worst division in football. We have the top pick in the draft and the top pick or next to it in every subsequent round as well as extra picks.
We’ve just replaced an OC/QB coach was clearly in waaaaay over his head with an experienced OC who has a record of success. Koetter didn’t come here to lose.
IMHO There is EVERY chance the Bucs could go 10-6 next year with MG8 or any number of players at QB. Not sure about McCown however since he seemed to really gag it up at crunch time. Talk about choking!
10-6 is no major achievement! The reason MG8 lacks appeal quite honestly is the way he looks and his lack of mobility. The other reason for me however is I believe he would always be a one and done QB in the playoffs.
Stop using these final four QB’s as comps. Yes those are all great QB’s.
But it’s the playoffs where we separate the wheat from the chaff. Look at poor Arizona. They continued to win even when they lost as many QB’s as Ohio State.
Don’t be so negative. We CAN win 10 games…even Rah pulled that off with a head case who couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn with many throws including simple swing passes to backs out of the backfield. It’s no major achievement.
Now getting to the conference finals is a different story and making the SB is really an achievement. That’s why Fox got fired, why Dungy got fired here.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:02 pm
@BucTrooper
Obama has nothing to do with a sports blog. Realize that more people voted for Obama than your guy and so why do you wish to aggravate those who support him on a sports blog.
I can give you a link to plenty of political blogs if that’s the direction you wish to take!
January 15th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
Sorry StPete but I eventually want a real contender! Not a team that backs onto a wildcard spot when the stars are aligned and are one and done. Not sure why you would dismiss the fact that all the remaining teams have good to great QBs. And this year is not an anomaly. The teams with good QBs always seem to be around and making deep runs. Occasionally a team will win with just a serviceable QB but that is far from the norm and the team around them has to be great, not just good.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
@bucfan4life
all those teams also have great head coaches. That’s another thing that we can add to the list of what the Bucs don’t have!
January 15th, 2015 at 12:29 pm
@ Bucfan4life
I’m still not buying that drafting a QB buys Lovie time (especially if the rookie QB plays poorly). Lovie took a 4-12 team and made it worse in almost every way, I really think another losing season spells his termination unless maybe if the Glazers step in and tell him he HAS to pick Mariota or Winston this year (and they give him some leniency this upcoming season in return). Dunno, I guess all we can do is sit back and see how it all plays out in a few months?
January 15th, 2015 at 12:37 pm
@ OneLove
“and to those of you that still think that Greg Schiano is a great football coach, please find yourself a mirror and look deep into your soul and then B!TCHSLAP the SH!T out of yourself for being so stupid.”
Yeah I’ll get right on that, I’ll hold off until Lovie matches Schiano’s win total with the Bucs though if you don’t mind. That should buy me another couple of years anyway.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:40 pm
@StPeteBucsFan….
…. and a lot of people are very, very dumb. Bamboozled by a community planner.
If you’re proud of your choice… well, that speaks for itself. All I know is Obama is essentially King Midas in reverse, and if he’s singing the praises of something or someone, I have no doubt it’s a colossal failure and will fail to a) live up to expectations and b) actually cause a detriment to the problem that has to be solve.
Enjoy your hope and change. You reap what you sow.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
We have an outstanding coach.
8 losses 6 points or less.
He is going to turn around this disaster he inherited.
January 15th, 2015 at 12:49 pm
“No way in hell they go 10-6 with Glennon”…..maybe, but if I could go back in time to a year ago and said the Bucs were going 2-14 in 2014, everyone would say “No way in hell they go 2-14, 6-10 at worst with Lovie”. And yet here we are…(and no, don’t try and spin it, no one predicted anything less than 6 wins)
January 15th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
We have a mediocre coach. Outstanding coaches do not miss the playoffs more than twice as they make it, or miss the playoffs in 6 of their last 7 seasons as a coach. Because if Lovie is outstanding, John Fox is a God and Jim Harbaugh is Jesus Christ reincarnate.
January 15th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
“If we keep beating these two guys up from now to the draft it will be hard for the fans of the one we don’t pick to adjust.”
@TBBF…that’s the pickle us fans are in though and it’s going to be a long 3 months buddy.
January 15th, 2015 at 1:16 pm
I know how to settle this. The inaugural JBF flag football game at Al Lopez Park on Sat Jan 31 at 1pm. Team Winston vs Team Mariotta vs the MGM. Winner takes all.
Put your money, knees, shoulders, back and ankles where your mouth is. Who’s in?
January 15th, 2015 at 1:22 pm
Said the man that drafted Josh Freeman. Credibility – GONE
January 15th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
Dom’s wrong on Tennessee I think. They’ll stick with Mettenberger for another year, and try to shore up that defense with Leonard Williams.
The unpicked QB is going to fall, Jax will pass, Oakland, probably Washington. You may see Buffalo try to trade up with Washington to sneak past the Jets.
January 15th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
A lot of you say both Mariota or Winston are not sure franchise quality QBs so what makes you think another team is going to offer them the farm to trade up. When you badly need a quality QB and you have the #1 pick you have to take the shot and just hope you choose the right one.
January 15th, 2015 at 2:15 pm
@ToesOnTheLine!
“Yeah I’ll get right on that, I’ll hold off until Lovie matches Schiano’s win total with the Bucs though if you don’t mind. That should buy me another couple of years anyway.”
I got a better idea.. Why don’t you keep slapping yourself until Schiano matches Lovie Smith’s TOTAL wins as NFL Head Coach?? You’ll be slapping yourself silly for the rest of your life…
I mean where do you get these people Joe!?!
January 15th, 2015 at 2:15 pm
Sean king say Winston #1 and Mariotta #6 to the jets.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/video/why-marcus-mariota-wont-no-211443710.html
January 15th, 2015 at 2:16 pm
Buctroopoer
“All I know”
Pretty much says it all. Don’t go to a political blog they would inhale you with actual articulate points and not regurgitated RW talking points and ad hom.
Again though out of respect for Joe and no desire to waste my time educated those who will not learn I’ll leave it at that. No more political posts for me.
I have a political blog I attend for that. Have a great day.
January 15th, 2015 at 2:18 pm
Me: Hey Mark, would you have picked Barron again?
Mark: Sure. Absolutely. This 1 is pretty easy.
January 15th, 2015 at 2:23 pm
“So by its analysis the Bucs do not have a young solid line. Go figure.. Thanks for drafting and developing all this high quality OL rockstar!”
How many o-lineman on the current roster did he draft..? and how many of the o-lineman he drafted/picked up off the street are starting on other teams?
January 15th, 2015 at 2:28 pm
Another rape allegation. Not sure why but if you have millions and you play ball you should have multiple willing partners. Wtf man!!
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/indianapolis-colts-linebacker-josh-mcnary-charged-rape-225026159–nfl.html
January 15th, 2015 at 2:31 pm
You also should have resigned Michael Bennett but you didn’t Rockstar.
Move along captain Obvious.
January 15th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
Why would anyone even listen to this guy. The only draft pick he ever got right was GMC. Wow, tough call.
The Bucs are a wasteland of talent thanks to the mind numbing stupid drafts this guy oversaw. Josh Freeman, Nick Price, Roy Gibson, Kyle Moore, Regis Benn, Daquan Bowers, Myron Lewis, to just name a few. Don’t even mention the fat contracts to Mike “he gets it” Williams and Quincy Black.
Any you clowns want to blame Lovie for this mess.
January 15th, 2015 at 2:47 pm
The local media around here always kissed this guy’s butt nonstop as if he was the best thing since sliced bread, probably gave them all kinds of “off the record”, info to keep it kissy kissy nice nice and they overlooked his pathetic work…Duemig especially
January 15th, 2015 at 2:47 pm
Glennon will at least be the transition QB in the in the event of a QB taken with the first pick or later pick. What part of QB of the future is so hard to understand? Most of you are so sure MG is going to be traded, I don’t think that is going to happen. Expert textpert joking smokers don’t you think the joker laughs at you.
January 15th, 2015 at 2:48 pm
The local media around here always kissed this guy’s butt nonstop as if he was the best thing since sliced bread, probably gave them all kinds of “off the record”, info to keep it kissy kissy nice nice and they overlooked his pathetic work. 28-52, numbers DON’T LIE, he’s the common denominator over those 5 years. Arrogant too with his line “I don’t need veterans, I DRAFT LEADERS”…oh yeah? LIAR!
January 15th, 2015 at 2:50 pm
They could just keep Mccown, Glennon and the rookie QB…after seeing Ryan Lindley in Arizona it makes sense to keep 2 serviceable guys behind your starter.
January 15th, 2015 at 2:53 pm
@ak
thats the truth of it. Just ask Doug Williams what he thinks of Dominick. You will not here the truth of it around the local media.
January 15th, 2015 at 2:54 pm
Isn’t Nick Price a golfer?
January 15th, 2015 at 2:55 pm
As a GM, Dummynick made a great grocery clerk.
I’m still hoping Chip Kelly still has a man crush on Mariotta and will trade Nick Foles and a package of draft picks to us.
Foles is a proven NFL QB, took the Eagles to the playoffs the previous year and is a true pocket passer. No baggage either.
January 15th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
@ The Buc Realist PREACH!! So many people overlook that or turn the other cheek. The Glazers worked hard to repair the broken relationship Doug had with this organization from his fallout w/ Hugh…and then this little twit comes in and ruins it!!!
January 15th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
Umm, if you are offered 3 1st round picks and you don’t take that deal then you should be punched. We need more than just a quarterback and I would happily take our chances with the best available with the trading partner that just gave me 3 1st round picks. If the crap hits the fan next year then you will have 2 1st round picks etc. That’s how an organization gets rebuilt quickly. The Rams who fleeced the Skins are literally only a QB away from being a force. All thanks to the coup they landed from the Skins. How is that working out for Dan Snyder and company? RG who?
January 15th, 2015 at 3:26 pm
Blah blah blah “I’m scared so let’s trade down” blah blah blah
January 15th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
ddneast Says:
January 15th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
Why would anyone even listen to this guy. The only draft pick he ever got right was GMC. Wow, tough call.
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Yeah cause he didn’t draft Lavonte David or anything….
January 15th, 2015 at 3:38 pm
@ OneLove
I mean where do you get these people Joe!?!
My guess is from the same place he finds people that are convinced a coach who can turn over the roster of a 4-12 team and transform it into a 2-14 one is somehow a great coach who has the team heading in the right direction?
January 15th, 2015 at 3:50 pm
I proudly state Lovie is a great coach and has the team heading in the right direction.
January 15th, 2015 at 4:02 pm
I agree Eric. When he gets us another top 5 pick, gets fired, and we finally have an offensive coach in here, we’ll be on our way.
January 15th, 2015 at 4:30 pm
YEAH MARK, hopefully they draft the RIGHT one unlike you!!
January 15th, 2015 at 4:34 pm
I don’t like how dom got Barron in 2012, but i also don’t like how people always talk about how he didn’t draft luke kuechly. If we did draft kuechly then we likely wouldn’t have got Lavonte in round 2, who is turning into the next DBrooks. Show a little respect for my boy LD!!!
January 15th, 2015 at 5:19 pm
If only we had kept Schiano.
January 15th, 2015 at 5:45 pm
Oh, please. Mark Dominik: ESPN Analyst because no one hired him to make NFL picks. And you, ‘tell me what I want to hear, Mark’…Oh, please! You got he answer when you asked the OC – Glennon.
January 15th, 2015 at 5:55 pm
Much apologies about missing David and possibly Dougie Martin, Bucrightoff.
So 3 picks out of 35 he can hang his hat on.
What none of us know is who is responsible for these picks. Is it the GM or the head coach. Is it a joint decision and if so, who is the tiebreaker.
Wish Joe would do a story on this process.
Also, when you draft for need instead of best overall player, you very often miss talents like Kuchley. Yes we had a MLB in Foster, but Kuchley was head over heels better in hos rookie than Foster was in his last.
In fact. I doubt if Foster will start for anyone next year and there is a definite possibility he won’t even be in the league.
January 15th, 2015 at 8:30 pm
I’ve read a lot of people discussing how top picks, heisman winners, 1st rounders, etc usually flop. The truth is most players flop. There is no single measure or description of a player that usually pans out well. It makes more sense to me to observe the players that do succeed and identify where they come from. I looked at the draft position for all “qualifying” QB’s in the league this year. There are 33 total (2 for the Rams, Hill and Davis).
17 of 33 QB’s were drafted in the 1st round. 7 with the first pick and 11 of 33 were drafted in the top 5.
Another commonly referenced source of talent are the “late rounds”, you know, the Brady argument. Well the stats would suggest this is not something we should count on. 10 QB’s were picked in the 3rd round or later and this includes 2 undrafted Ram QB’s who for the purpose of analysis could be replaced with Bradford (another #1 overall pick). If we do this, you get 8 #1 overall picks vs 6 QBs’ coming from the later 5 rounds combined (plus 2 undrafted QB’s which could be ignored for the sake of “draft” analysis). —– Point is, we’re more likely to find a starting QB with our one particular pick than we are in the 160+ picks that make up rounds 3 to 7.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:07 pm
This sites love affair for mark Dominick is almost as bad as pewter report’s.
January 15th, 2015 at 9:47 pm
He is only saying what he thinks people expect to hear. Play Mike Glennon!!!
January 15th, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Is Dom still unemployed?
January 15th, 2015 at 9:54 pm
@ Bill
I’m too lazy to verify any of that so I’m gonna take it on faith. Only thing that kept bothering me and making me go back to check my reading comprehension was if 17 of 33 QB’s were taken in the first round, 7 with the #1 pick, and 11 with a top 5 pick…what the heck happened to the one QB who didn’t get counted in your 17 out of 33 (since 7+11=18)?
January 15th, 2015 at 11:02 pm
Toes – I think that breakdown means 7 QBs #1 overall – 4 more were in the top 5 and then 6 more somewhere in the 1st round later than the 5th pick.
7+4+6 =17 1st round QBs. 6 more QBs were drafted in the 2nd round and 10 were drafted rounds 3>7.
January 15th, 2015 at 11:21 pm
Ah, yes, listen to Mark Dominic…the guy who made every Buc fan a believer in the last #5…he selected to sling a ball downfield.
What he’s saying is “if you want to keep your job…draft a QB and pray he works out…”
I don’t really think Dom would want to be in the position to once again bet his job on either of these QB’s right now, especially not Jameis Winston…
I did find it interesting that while he didn’t say WHICH of the two QB’s he’d lean towards, he did start with Mariota, and implied that he has some things to overcome, but looks like the safer pick…
That’s about where I am. If you believe the positive hype on both these guys – the one thing you have to remember is the GM/coaching tandems for Bucs and the Titans oversee programs that produced the worst records in the NFL – so they’re already on thin ice…however, the Titans don’t really have a choice about which QB they take…
If you’re on thin ice AND you have the 1st pick…the first name of the top QB on your draft board is ‘Marcus’…
January 15th, 2015 at 11:36 pm
My pick would be to either 1. Trade down no further than the Jets, Unless Philly offers something crazy. 2. If we don’t get a good enough offer then stay at #1 and draft Williams. He is too good to pass on imo.
I would take Williams 1st if Brett Hundley declares for the draft. If he doesn’t then it would makes things more interesting. Hundley has great numbers and 3 years as a starter. We could possibly get him in the 3rd round. Maybe in the 2nd. I would much rather have those two players than just one of the QBs MM or JW.
Also, I would call Oakland, cuz you never know if Del Rio wants either MM or JW more than Carr, and see if they were interested in trading Carr and their #4 for the #1 pick. We would get a great young QB and still have a chance at either Williams, Gregory, Cooper, or Ray. Atleast 2 of those guys will be there and they all would help out our team from day 1.
January 15th, 2015 at 11:38 pm
*3 guys
January 15th, 2015 at 11:42 pm
Pickgrin is correct. The list is as follows: (Sorted by QBR this year)
Player / Round / overall selection
Romo / undrafted
Rodgers / 1 / 24
Big Ben / 1 / 11
Peyton / 1 / 1
Brady / 6 / 199
Brees / 2 / 32
Luck / 1 / 1
Palmer / 1 / 1
Fitzpatrick / 7 / 250
Wilson / 3 / 75
Ryan / 1 / 3
Rivers / 1 / 4
A Smith / 1 / 1
Tannehill / 1 / 8
Eli / 1 / 1
Flacco / 1 / 18
Cutler / 1 / 11
Sanchez / 1 / 5
Orton / 4 / 106
Kapernick / 2 / 36
Stafford / 1 / 1
Bridgewater / 1 / 32
Austin Davis / undrafted
Shaun Hill / undrafted
Dalton / 2 / 35
Newton / 1 / 1
Foles / 3 / 88
Stanton / 2 / 43
G Smith / 2 / 39
Carr / 2 / 36
Hoyer / undrafted
McCown / 3 / 81
Bortles / 1 / 3
After typing that I realized the Eagles and Cards had multiple QB’s on that list (In addition to the Rams); the Redskins and Titans were not represented since none of their QB met the qualifying limits. Adding the omitted players isn’t going to have a significant impact on the conclusion. RG3 and Locker were high picks; Mettenberger, Cousins, and Whitehurst were not.
The only franchise QB’s who came from outside the first round are Brady and Brees (first pick of the second round). You could make reasonable arguments for Wilson and Romo.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:25 am
I would say Winston is the safer pick actually. But I guess that’s why he’s a GM and I’m not… Wait… That’s right, he isn’t.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:42 pm
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January 16th, 2015 at 2:38 pm
2 words: Jameis WINSton